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    Giants vs. Bills: What kind of quarterback is Josh Allen in Year 2? By Mark Schofield

    https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/9/1...llen-in-year-2

    Giants vs. Bills: What kind of quarterback is Josh Allen in Year 2?
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    Let’s see where the Bills’ QB is in his development

    By Mark Schofield@MarkSchofield Sep 12, 2019, 12:34pm EDT
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    Between the promise shown by rookie quarterback Daniel Jones in the 2019 preseason, and the all-around talent displayed by running back Saquon Barkley over the past season-plus, New York Giants fans are likely feeling better about how the organization has handled the top of the past two drafts.

    Yet some might still look to the top of the 2018 draft, with the Giants holding the second-overall pick, and wonder what might have been. One could recall that with the third overall pick the New York Jets selected quarterback Sam Darnold, and you could imagine what the Giants offense would look like this season with Darnold entering perhaps his second year as the starter. The fact that Darnold plays for a team in the same media market perhaps adds fuel to this fire. But there is another quarterback who was available with that second-overall selection that is also playing in the same state, and the Giants will get a good look at Josh Allen this weekend.

    While many, myself included, were skeptical of Allen’s potential ability to transition into an NFL passer, the young QB acquitted himself well as a rookie. His arm strength was certainly as advertised, but it was his athleticism and ability to create with his legs that translated to the professional ranks better than many imagined. But there was certainly one area that he needed to improve upon as he entered his second season: His mind. Allen needed to get much faster with his reads and decisions otherwise life in the NFL would remain difficult.

    Part of what is working against him is that arm talent. Allen has always been able to rely on his right arm to bail himself out of sticky situations, but using arm strength as a crutch can in a sense stunt the development of a QB’s mental approach. If your arm strength and velocity can make up the difference when you make a slow read or decision, you’ll keep relying on that right arm and not your mind.

    This play from 2018 is a prime example of this concept:


    The Buffalo Bills face a 3rd and 5 on their own 36-yard line against the Green Bay Packers. They line up using 11 offensive personnel and with Allen (17) in the shotgun. The rookie QB looks to throw this speed out to the left to Andre Holmes (18). Look at how long Allen waits to pull the trigger on this play. Allen knows pre-snap due to the defensive alignment and cushion that he will be throwing this route to Holmes, yet he waits to see the wide receiver’s break and to see him come open. By waiting this long, and even clutching on the throw, Allen gives the defensive back a chance to break on the route, and he also makes this a tougher throw to complete as Holmes is running out of real estate. He makes an impressive throw with great velocity, but by delaying, he makes a completion near-impossible.

    Whenever I see a play like this I’m reminded of something Antonio Brown, of all people, said about quarterback play. During a stretch in which Ben Roethlisberger was injured and Landry Jones was in the starting lineup, the Pittsburgh Steelers hosted the New England Patriots. During the broadcast Jim Nantz relayed something Brown had told the CBS broadcast crew about his interactions with the inexperienced quarterback: “If I see you throw the football, it’s too late.”

    Holmes sees Allen pull the trigger on this play, and as you can see from the results, it was too late.

    So as Allen enters year two of life in the NFL, I will be paying particular attention to when he is making throws, and if the timing and rhythm is better to his game. Coming out of Wyoming the fit in a timing and rhythm offense - like the one Brian Daboll looks to be operating - seemed a stretch but after his performance last week, and his timing, perhaps Allen is ready.

    In Buffalo’s Week 1 comeback victory over the Jets, Allen completed 24-of-37 passes for 254 yards and a touchdown to go with a pair of interceptions. Both interceptions came off throws that were deflected by Bills’ receivers, so keep that in mind when looking at the box score, but beyond that, watching this game you can see signs that Allen’s mind is speeding up and the game is slowing down for him.

    Anticipation throws are a critical component of figuring out whether a young QB is getting faster with his reads. Here’s one example of this. In the second half the Bills face a 1st and 10 with just over five minutes remaining in the third quarter. Buffalo comes out with Allen under center and run what is often termed “525,” with curl routes on the outside and a slant route over the middle from the tight end:


    Allen executes a five-step drop from center and as he hits his drop depth, he starts opening his hips up to the left. He is going to throw this curl route to John Brown (15) on the left, and as this is going on the receiver is just getting into his break:


    The timing on this is perfect, and Allen caps this play off with a well-placed throw toward the sideline, making this route impossible to defend:


    Followers of my work know that I tend to use an old school approach, charting games and plays often with a pen and paper. At this point in my study I jotted down “Can Daboll turn him into a timing and rhythm-based passer.”

    A few plays later I wrote this: “Holy [BLANK] Daboll is doing it.” It came on this play:


    On this fourth quarter throw Allen throws a deep curl route from the left hashmark to the right sideline. Looking at the moment he releases this ball, his target is starting his break back down the stem. The timing and rhythm on this play is perfect, and when you add the cushion Brown has from the nearest defender, it is again impossible to stop this completion.

    We even saw a bit of manipulation from Allen on throws to the middle of the field. It is easy to move a free safety with your eyes on a pair of vertical routes, and we can all identify when a QB pulls that trick off, but it is much tougher to move that free safety when you’re looking at throwing crossers in the middle of the field. That’s why this play stands out to me. Late in the contest the Bills face a 2nd and 10 at their own 36-yard line. Trailing by six with just four minutes left, this could be Buffalo’s last possession. They need a big play.

    Buffalo lines up with Allen in the shotgun using 11 offensive personnel, and put two receivers and a tight end to the right and WR Isaiah McKenzie (#19) to the left. They run a Mesh concept underneath, with two deep crossers over the top of the mesh:


    The routes to focus on are the inside crosser from Robert Foster (16) and the deep in cut from Zay Jones (11) on the outside. The Jets are in a single-high coverage here, and Allen needs to influence the safety to one of these routes and then throw the other. He takes a look at Foster in the middle of the field, and then throws the dig to Jones:


    Watching this play from the end zone angle, you can see that last glance Allen gives Foster before coming to Jones:


    A few plays later the Bills would score the go-ahead touchdown.

    Now Allen is not all the way there yet, as this first half fumble shows. Facing a second-and-11 early in the game, Buffalo runs a curls concept against a Tampa 2 coverage:


    As he drops, Allen looks at the retreating middle linebacker into that spot between the two deep safeties. With a running back to his right, Allen needs to understand that the MLB will open to his left, given that the Bills have three eligible receivers to that side of the formation. The QB needs to see that, and quickly come to the two receiver side and throw the curl to his tight end.

    Allen is slow to do that, and gets strip-sacked off the left edge:


    If he is able to make that decision a bit quicker, and make an anticipation throw to his tight end, the Bills can convert this second and long, or at least make it a manageable third down.

    Allen showed some promise as a rookie, and his second season debut flashed some areas of true improvement. Development is not linear at the quarterback position, but often in year two we see young QBs take a big step forward. If his these plays are any indication, Allen might be the next quarterback to join that list of QBs taking a leap in their sophomore campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junglesouljah View Post
    I LOLed when he bleeped out one of his own words like me. :)

    He sounds like he sees the progress Allen and Daboll are making.
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    I highly reccomend clicking on the link as the aritcle has gifs which I couldn't post here.
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    I took your advice and clicked. You're right, a lot gifs. gifs....thats one word I actually enjoy typing more than saying, due to the unsettled nature of the pronunciation.

    Some good comments beneath the article too, until it got into if the Giants had used a different drafty strategy, but even that interested me a bit with some calling Barkley a luxury pick. It's cool to see what Giants fans think, they seem a lot classier than Jets fans, as one Bills fan in the comments pointed out. That's why I was a bit surprised at them being mocked in the Shoutbox this morning.
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    3 Quarters of football not so much....was actually starting to feel my heart sink that this what the season is going to look like... but than that bounce back 4th quarter brought the hope back....im hopeful but only game 1....lets see how the next few games pan out...put im hopeful though....

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    Interesting evaluation, but I personally think almost a QB's improve in their first 3 years. Only thing that I see that sets them back is confidence or happy feet. aka if they get their bell rung....as in Trent Edwards.
    What I want to see in a 2nd year QB, is standing tall in the pocket and delivering good short to medium throws to take apart a defense. These short throws with high completion rates start to show that the QB can see what the defense is doing.

    Exactly how Tom Brady developed. His first two years he was a dink and dunk QB, and it built his confidence and his ability to read a defense. With time you see everything and then it is just taking what the defense is giving you. So far in game one Allen is taking advantage of the short passing yardage and that I think is the key to his success. Dink and donk the ball to your slot and TE, draw the safeties in then once you have them defending the short passes or the run....you go deep and scorch them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan186 View Post
    Interesting evaluation, but I personally think almost a QB's improve in their first 3 years. Only thing that I see that sets them back is confidence or happy feet. aka if they get their bell rung....as in Trent Edwards.
    What I want to see in a 2nd year QB, is standing tall in the pocket and delivering good short to medium throws to take apart a defense. These short throws with high completion rates start to show that the QB can see what the defense is doing.

    Exactly how Tom Brady developed. His first two years he was a dink and dunk QB, and it built his confidence and his ability to read a defense. With time you see everything and then it is just taking what the defense is giving you. So far in game one Allen is taking advantage of the short passing yardage and that I think is the key to his success. Dink and donk the ball to your slot and TE, draw the safeties in then once you have them defending the short passes or the run....you go deep and scorch them!
    Greg Williams was playing a single high safety about 20 to 25 yards deep to prevent the big plays. I think that's why Daboll was emphasizing the short throws in the play calling to take what the defense was giving him.
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