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    The Republican Party is Anti-Democratic

    The Republican Party is anti-democratic. Change my mind.

    1. Voter suppression tactics across several states in the last election cycle is the most recent example in a long history of anti-democratic acts.

    https://time.com/5455179/georgia-bri...blicans-trump/

    https://www.peoplesworld.org/article...lection-fraud/

    https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regi...FsEAKESx42TYM/

    https://thinkprogress.org/georgia-bl...-a3c3e6580c5b/

    2. Gerrymandering is a common practice of Republicans. While Democrats are guilty of the same thing to a lesser extent, they have been trying to pass H.R.1 known as the For The People Act of 2019. Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell refuses to bring the bill to a vote. This bill would expand voting rights, reform campaign finance, and strengthen ethics laws. Until an act like this is passed, money will continue to buy elections.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...cause-i-get-to

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...se-bill/1/text

    https://www.businessinsider.com/majo...igarchy-2014-4

    3. Republicans weaken the powers of the governor once they take office. Just another way to weaken democracy.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ratic-governor

    4. Republicans support the electoral college. A true election is “one person, one vote”. I didn’t realize republicans supported affirmative action!

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-amer...democrats-want

    5. Election security is important to keeping our elections safe from foreign interference. While there is no evidence that the Russians change votes, they did breach government computer systems and planted malware. It would seem to any rational person that this is a potential problem for fair elections. Mitch McConnell does not seem to think that passing a bill to combat foreign election interference is very important. McConnell refuses to bring any election security bills to senate floor.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/u...n-hacking.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/polit...ity/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by f8ta1ity54 View Post
    The Republican Party is anti-democratic. Change my mind.

    1. Voter suppression tactics across several states in the last election cycle is the most recent example in a long history of anti-democratic acts.
    So we have broken machines and understaffed polling places. Definitely not cool but can that be solely be placed on the Republicans? It seems more like a failure of government in general though this could be debated ad nauseum. As for the Think Progress link, you may want to look a little further on it.


    County says misunderstanding, Black Voters Matter say suppression


    Jefferson County operates a Senior Center that provides meals and entertainment to senior citizens in Jefferson County three days per week. The Jefferson County Board of Commissioners has a long standing practice of not allowing political activities during normal business hours or at County sponsored activities. These senior citizens are under the complete care and supervision of Jefferson County while they are at the Senior Center. Jefferson County Administration felt uncomfortable with allowing Senior Center patrons to leave the facility in a bus with an unknown third party. Additionally, the event in question that took place at the Jefferson County Senior Center was led by the President of the Jefferson County Democratic Party and as such was considered a political event. No seniors at the Jefferson County Senior Center were denied their right to vote. In fact, Senior Center staff routinely arrange Jefferson County Public Transit to transport senior citizens to vote. Jefferson County invites and encourages all registered voters to vote from October 15-November 2 from 8 AM to 5 PM, October 27 from 9 AM to 4 PM and on election day November 6 from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

    2. Gerrymandering is a common practice of Republicans. While Democrats are guilty of the same thing to a lesser extent, they have been trying to pass H.R.1 known as the For The People Act of 2019. Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell refuses to bring the bill to a vote. This bill would expand voting rights, reform campaign finance, and strengthen ethics laws. Until an act like this is passed, money will continue to buy elections.
    Moot point, both parties are guilty of this to keep their power bases. In either instance I don't agree without some extenuating circumstances to justify redistricting.

    3. Republicans weaken the powers of the governor once they take office. Just another way to weaken democracy.
    This is only one example and I don't agree with it. The voters of Wisconsin should have to face the repercussions of the policies that Tony Evers brings and if they don't like it they can vote him out in the next election cycle. Scott Walker is an enormous douchebag bought and paid for by the Koch brothers and I see the other politicians being implicit in more Koch bros BS.

    4. Republicans support the electoral college. A true election is “one person, one vote”. I didn’t realize republicans supported affirmative action!
    Republicans support the Electoral College because it's in the Constitution. If it were removed you'd have a handful of highly populated Liberal states dictating the direction of this country forever.

    5. Election security is important to keeping our elections safe from foreign interference. While there is no evidence that the Russians change votes, they did breach government computer systems and planted malware. It would seem to any rational person that this is a potential problem for fair elections. Mitch McConnell does not seem to think that passing a bill to combat foreign election interference is very important. McConnell refuses to bring any election security bills to senate floor.
    Come on man, this is more "Muh Russia" bullshit citing the Mueller Report which we all know did not use the best experts to see if any of this really happened. They couldn't even get a 3rd party firm not paid off by the DNC to look at the servers and he was extremely lazy during this portion of the report. If you want to get serious about election security we can talk about Voter ID laws and accountability of votes with paper verification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SackMan518 View Post
    So we have broken machines and understaffed polling places. Definitely not cool but can that be solely be placed on the Republicans? It seems more like a failure of government in general though this could be debated ad nauseum. As for the Think Progress link, you may want to look a little further on it.


    County says misunderstanding, Black Voters Matter say suppression


    Jefferson County operates a Senior Center that provides meals and entertainment to senior citizens in Jefferson County three days per week. The Jefferson County Board of Commissioners has a long standing practice of not allowing political activities during normal business hours or at County sponsored activities. These senior citizens are under the complete care and supervision of Jefferson County while they are at the Senior Center. Jefferson County Administration felt uncomfortable with allowing Senior Center patrons to leave the facility in a bus with an unknown third party. Additionally, the event in question that took place at the Jefferson County Senior Center was led by the President of the Jefferson County Democratic Party and as such was considered a political event. No seniors at the Jefferson County Senior Center were denied their right to vote. In fact, Senior Center staff routinely arrange Jefferson County Public Transit to transport senior citizens to vote. Jefferson County invites and encourages all registered voters to vote from October 15-November 2 from 8 AM to 5 PM, October 27 from 9 AM to 4 PM and on election day November 6 from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

    Voting machines are not the only forms of voter suppression.


    Moot point, both parties are guilty of this to keep their power bases. In either instance I don't agree without some extenuating circumstances to justify redistricting.

    I agree that both parties do it, yet at least democrats are trying to change it. Why won’t republicans?

    This is only one example and I don't agree with it. The voters of Wisconsin should have to face the repercussions of the policies that Tony Evers brings and if they don't like it they can vote him out in the next election cycle. Scott Walker is an enormous douchebag bought and paid for by the Koch brothers and I see the other politicians being implicit in more Koch bros BS.

    Yea, no way around that one.

    Republicans support the Electoral College because it's in the Constitution. If it were removed you'd have a handful of highly populated Liberal states dictating the direction of this country forever.

    You know what amendments are right? Because it’s in the constitution is a terrible argument. Especially as your boy violates the constitution on a daily basis.
    NY and CA make up 18% of the US population. Not all of them vote Democratic.

    Why is this about states, when voting is about individuals? Are conservatives in smaller states some sort of marginalized group that needs affirmative action? Or is it that the “liberals” make up the majority of Americans…the same people that are for election reform, healthcare reform, climate change, civil liberties…



    Come on man, this is more "Muh Russia" bullshit citing the Mueller Report which we all know did not use the best experts to see if any of this really happened. They couldn't even get a 3rd party firm not paid off by the DNC to look at the servers and he was extremely lazy during this portion of the report. If you want to get serious about election security we can talk about Voter ID laws and accountability of votes with paper verification.
    There is more election fraud than voter fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f8ta1ity54 View Post
    You know what amendments are right? Because it’s in the constitution is a terrible argument. Especially as your boy violates the constitution on a daily basis.
    NY and CA make up 18% of the US population. Not all of them vote Democratic.

    Why is this about states, when voting is about individuals? Are conservatives in smaller states some sort of marginalized group that needs affirmative action? Or is it that the “liberals” make up the majority of Americans…the same people that are for election reform, healthcare reform, climate change, civil liberties…
    Yeah I know what Amendments are and there's no need to change this Electoral system. It was put in place by our Founding Fathers precisely to protect states with smaller populations so that only a few states could not control Federal elections forever. If you hadn't remembered, we had a whole fucking Civil War over state's rights so it's still a major issue.

    You assert that individual voting is more important but if that's so then every state should have a proportional amount of Electoral votes doled out to the candidates instead of "winner-take-all" states (Nebraska and Maine are the only states to do it proportionately and they only have 9 electoral votes between them). California has a whopping 55 electoral votes, the most of any state, and New York is no chump either with 29. That's 84 votes right there in winner-take-all Blue states basically for free. What do you think NY would look like considering that expanse of red territories if the votes were meted fairly? And California? A completely different landscape for elections that may not favor these Liberals that you are convinced are do-gooders masking their BS through virtue signalling causes like climate change.

    While Liberals may slightly outnumber Conservatives the US also has a huge swath of Independents who are moderates and will vote towards whatever party seems more rational. In the case of 2016 Bernie and Hillary weren't exciting anyone while Trump was easily overstuffing arenas. Don't be too convinced that these reforms they talk about aren't their own vehicle to wrest power away since they're on a huge slump.

    PS - And what amendments is President Trump actually violating in the Constitution as you claim?
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