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    Quote Originally Posted by DC2007 View Post
    I'd love to have him, but he's not going to propel this team to the next level. That's all I need to know, I'm not giving up a pick and a huge payday for him.

    I would have gone in on Mack, a REAL difference maker, but not at 2 1st round picks and 140M. The contract is one thing, but you have to leverage 1st round picks for low cost, high level play for 4-5 years to win.
    Word. At this point I'd rather take a chance on a guy in next year's draft.

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    But hey...if the Texans want to give him away...sure come on board.

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    DE is not enough of a need to be throwing away draft picks and huge chunks of cap space.

    D will be very good this year with or without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC2007 View Post
    I'd love to have him, but he's not going to propel this team to the next level. That's all I need to know, I'm not giving up a pick and a huge payday for him.

    I would have gone in on Mack, a REAL difference maker, but not at 2 1st round picks and 140M. The contract is one thing, but you have to leverage 1st round picks for low cost, high level play for 4-5 years to win.
    Well said.

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    I like Trent Murphy and believe he should be starting at LDE, but Clowney is a better DE than Murphy. Clowney is also better than Shaq Lawson.

    Having Murphy and Clowney rotating at DE makes this defense much better.

    You have to gameplan to stop Clowney in both the running and passing game. You can also move him inside to DT in Nascar packages on 3rd down.

    If the trade doesn't materialize look for Beane to draft a DE in the 2nd or 3rd round next year.
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    i agree

    if the texans want to take a sweatheart deal to offload some salary, then great. you could have worse problems than three starting caliber DE's. im sure opie and the staff would love to make packages to get all three on the field

    but if they gotta give up a lot, then i agree that we have other needs that could better benefit from a big investment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    i agree

    if the texans want to take a sweatheart deal to offload some salary, then great. you could have worse problems than three starting caliber DE's. im sure opie and the staff would love to make packages to get all three on the field

    but if they gotta give up a lot, then i agree that we have other needs that could better benefit from a big investment
    I wouldn't trade a 1st round pick, in 2020 or a future 1st round pick. I would trade Shaq Lawson and 2nd or 3rd round pick if Beane is ok with giving a 6 yrs, $100,117,848 contract, which would average to $16,686,308 a season according to spotrac.

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-.../market-value/

    The window to sign players is when Josh Allen is on his "cheap" rookie contract before you have to pay him the big money on his 2nd contract. Kansas City and Chicago have done the same thing to surround their young QB's with talent on offense and defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junglesouljah View Post
    The New York Giants beat the Patriots in the super bowl in 2007 and 2011 because they limited the Patriots offense, and hit Brady.

    Of course, you want to score points, but you also have to get in Brady's face, make him feel uncomfortable and limit the production of the Patriots offense.
    This does not work. You site two examples and sure, the Giants played great defensively in both Super Bowls. But building and maintaining a defense that can do those things to Brady is costly, easily derailed by injury, and also sometimes just doesn't work.

    Meanwhile, scoring more points would not only increase our ability to beat New England, but also every other team we face. This teams problem is not defense. The defense was good last year and I think it could be better this year. Invest the money and resources where we are weak and that's offense.

    If the Bills want to really improve by trading resources, they should try to trade for a proven, modern and efficient offensive play caller. We haven't had one in forever. If you get the new Warren Sharp book, which I highly recommend you do, you'll see it aptly points out area after area where Buffalo just uses out-dated philosophies and techniques.

    In short, what we would need to give for Clowney, who I don't even think is that great of a pass rusher and is also a HUGE risk to get lazy, would pay little dividends for us. On the other hand, I'll bet we could find an offensive player that would help us twice as much for less than half the cost if they really wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo13 View Post
    This does not work. You site two examples and sure, the Giants played great defensively in both Super Bowls. But building and maintaining a defense that can do those things to Brady is costly, easily derailed by injury, and also sometimes just doesn't work.

    Meanwhile, scoring more points would not only increase our ability to beat New England, but also every other team we face. This teams problem is not defense. The defense was good last year and I think it could be better this year. Invest the money and resources where we are weak and that's offense.

    If the Bills want to really improve by trading resources, they should try to trade for a proven, modern and efficient offensive play caller. We haven't had one in forever. If you get the new Warren Sharp book, which I highly recommend you do, you'll see it aptly points out area after area where Buffalo just uses out-dated philosophies and techniques.

    In short, what we would need to give for Clowney, who I don't even think is that great of a pass rusher and is also a HUGE risk to get lazy, would pay little dividends for us. On the other hand, I'll bet we could find an offensive player that would help us twice as much for less than half the cost if they really wanted to.
    Houston got rid of it's GM, it seems like they don't want to commit to Clowney longterm and there is a short window where they can trade Clowney with the franchise tag on him. I don't think the trade will happen, but I put out the hypothetical trade to see peoples opinions of him and improve the DE position on the Bills. I will disagree with you on Clowney not being a good pass rush rusher, but I will agree that he would be expensive in terms of the contract you will have to sign him to.

    Brain Daboll comes from New England where he was taught the Erhardt-Perkins offensive and Buffalo uses the Erhardt-Perkins offensive. Near the end of the season last year Buffalo was using 4 and 5 WR sets in a pass-centric offense. I don't know what out-dated philosophies and techniques that Warren Sharp claims Buffalo is using if Daboll uses the same offensive system that New England uses and that Daboll opened up the playbook incorporated the passing game in the offense as Allen got more comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo13 View Post
    This does not work. You site two examples and sure, the Giants played great defensively in both Super Bowls. But building and maintaining a defense that can do those things to Brady is costly, easily derailed by injury, and also sometimes just doesn't work.

    Meanwhile, scoring more points would not only increase our ability to beat New England, but also every other team we face. This teams problem is not defense. The defense was good last year and I think it could be better this year. Invest the money and resources where we are weak and that's offense.

    If the Bills want to really improve by trading resources, they should try to trade for a proven, modern and efficient offensive play caller. We haven't had one in forever. If you get the new Warren Sharp book, which I highly recommend you do, you'll see it aptly points out area after area where Buffalo just uses out-dated philosophies and techniques.

    In short, what we would need to give for Clowney, who I don't even think is that great of a pass rusher and is also a HUGE risk to get lazy, would pay little dividends for us. On the other hand, I'll bet we could find an offensive player that would help us twice as much for less than half the cost if they really wanted to.
    Well said.
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