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    Supreme Court Hands Democrats A Win On Racial Gerrymandering In Virginia

    Legislative districts in Virginia that the Supreme Court previously said were racially gerrymandered have to remain in their redrawn form, the court said Monday, giving Democrats in the state a victory.

    The majority decision was written by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who noted that because the entirety of state government wasn't suing to keep the fight going — the case was brought by the state's GOP-controlled House — then it is throwing the case out.

    "In short, Virginia would rather stop than fight on," Ginsburg wrote. "One House of its bicameral legislature cannot alone continue the litigation against the will of its partners in the legislative process."

    The court previously decided that 11 districts in the state were sorted by race and they had to be redrawn. They were redrawn, and then the state's GOP-controlled House intervened to take it to the Supreme Court.

    The case was 5-4, but not along the usual conservative-liberal lines. Instead, the majority in this case was Ginsburg with liberal justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, as well as conservatives Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/06/17/73338...ng-in-virginia

    man, this has been a hot button of mine for decades

    yes, both parties do it, but its immoral and viciously unamerican

    yet the pattern is now crystal clear. no longer will the courts allow these ridiculous maps to be draw so that one party can rig the game in their favor

    hallelujah! finally

    btw, this is bad news for the republicans. they have been the party to win most local jurisdictions in the recent past, so they were the ones benefiting from gerrymandering by far

    the good news is this will force the right away from the fringe cliff theyve moved to, and back toward the center, at least if they want to win many elections going forward
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    Fringe? Both parties have moved so far to the left in the last 60 years as to be almost unrecognizable. When JFK was elected he was considered the most liberal democrat to ever hold the office of president. By today's standards not only would his ideology make him NOT a democrat, he wouldn't even me a moderate republican. He'd be a conservative republican or conservative libertarian by today's standards.
    I don't identify with either of the major parties. I guess you could call me a constitutional conservative. I want the government limited to the authority granted to them by the constitution, no more, no less. In reality, the larger a centralized government grows, that growth always comes at the expense of individual liberty. My main driving ideology is small government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon View Post
    Fringe? Both parties have moved so far to the left in the last 60 years as to be almost unrecognizable. When JFK was elected he was considered the most liberal democrat to ever hold the office of president. By today's standards not only would his ideology make him NOT a democrat, he wouldn't even me a moderate republican. He'd be a conservative republican or conservative libertarian by today's standards.
    I don't identify with either of the major parties. I guess you could call me a constitutional conservative. I want the government limited to the authority granted to them by the constitution, no more, no less. In reality, the larger a centralized government grows, that growth always comes at the expense of individual liberty. My main driving ideology is small government.
    whoa, a rational person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon View Post
    Fringe? Both parties have moved so far to the left in the last 60 years as to be almost unrecognizable. When JFK was elected he was considered the most liberal democrat to ever hold the office of president. By today's standards not only would his ideology make him NOT a democrat, he wouldn't even me a moderate republican. He'd be a conservative republican or conservative libertarian by today's standards.
    I don't identify with either of the major parties. I guess you could call me a constitutional conservative. I want the government limited to the authority granted to them by the constitution, no more, no less. In reality, the larger a centralized government grows, that growth always comes at the expense of individual liberty. My main driving ideology is small government.
    One of the best posts I've seen in awhile. I wish you'd post more often. Whatever magic you've used to turn frawd into a supporter of the Constitution and small government could also transform this board into a much more peaceful and reasonable site.
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    political parties have moved towards the left compared to decades (& centuries) ago bc we have advanced intellectually as a species

    would anyone disagree that we were more primitive 100 years ago? the more primitive a culture is going to be the more rigid and superstitious its going to be. naturally, they will be more conservative out of fear

    as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit

    thus each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors, so is each culture, so is each country

    our current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism

    i can feel the flames gathering around me, but thats ok. discussion is required to advance, even if you dont currently agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    political parties have moved towards the left compared to decades (& centuries) ago bc we have advanced intellectually as a species

    would anyone disagree that we were more primitive 100 years ago? the more primitive a culture is going to be the more rigid and superstitious its going to be. naturally, they will be more conservative out of fear

    as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit

    thus each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors, so is each culture, so is each country

    our current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism

    i can feel the flames gathering around me, but thats ok. discussion is required to advance, even if you dont currently agree
    Or you could read the The Protocols, written circa 1900, and he how all of this was planned long ago(whether it was allegory or actual minutes of a meeting). Some people are very dedicated to their goals and are willing to play the long game.
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    Actually Meat, what you are describing is the Tytler cycle. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...61126967658958

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    political parties have moved towards the left compared to decades (& centuries) ago bc we have advanced intellectually as a species

    would anyone disagree that we were more primitive 100 years ago? the more primitive a culture is going to be the more rigid and superstitious its going to be. naturally, they will be more conservative out of fear

    as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit

    thus each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors, so is each culture, so is each country

    our current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism

    i can feel the flames gathering around me, but thats ok. discussion is required to advance, even if you dont currently agree
    Well, 100 Years I will give you, but 40 years....I strongly disagree. In a lot of ways society in the United States has de-evolved. Sure technology, automation has improved.....but problem solving skills, social skills and common sense has greatly diminished! Anyone that has children between 10 and 25 can surely attest to this. Ask your teenager to figure something out and they are like a deer in head lights. The last two generations are for the most part weak minded, soft and lack mental capabilities that were strong in the 60's, 70's , 80's. All the tech....that is for the most part created by the people in their 30's, 40's and 50's. There are some brilliant minds that have been creative...but your run of the mill 2000+ birth year...not so much. They are totally dependent upon social media, the internet etc! Take away internet access and they are helpless.

    Secondly, I am going to correct you on why Americans think society has moved to the left. First, the educational system has been infiltrated by left leaning loons. Second, the main stream media has been taken over by left leaning loons. Lastly, those who lean far left are extreme in nature and are the first to protest. Squeaky Wheel gets the Oil comes to mind! In general the young, uneducated and the poor tend to be very liberal...as well as the elite rich (I will explain this later as it was an aha moment for me too). When people have little, work for little and do not understand basic economic's...they tend to want more for less. They want free hand outs! Once people get educated, they work and start to get a leg up and established they tend to be more focused on keeping what they rightfully earned. They become conservative. The elite wealthy tend to be liberal (wait for it ) because they are bastards and are pulling up the ladder of success for themselves so they remain elite! Always thought why the hell would a guy like Rockifeller etc be liberal....then it hit me. They want to make it hard for people to reach the success they did....so they remain Elite and no one else can join them on their elite status!

    Third this is complete Rubish! "current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism" This is an Obama concept and it hurt Americans. Globalism is a concept that if embraced will destroy the USA as we know it. China would love for us to continue to embrace it as they have been exploiting us for years. If you strongly believe in Globalism then please donate all of your earnings beyond what you need to eat and have shelter to the United Nations for charity purposes. Globablism is unAmerican....Did you not learn from the 8 years under the Obama administration that Globalism sucks for us! If you can't see how bad things were from 2008 to 2016 then you are lost.


    Fourth "as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit" I think somebody believes in Utopian society! Let me break it to you! No one gives a rat ass about making a level playing field. Politicians are saying that to get votes....but what they are really saying is "Vote me in you mindless sheep! I am going to carve out a niche in this government, look for ways to advance my own agenda that will get me another higher paying job or a nice cash kick back from a lobbyist". Right now they are talking about Reparation for blacks? Really??? How do you think they are going to do that! They aren't they are just saying "we are going to have discussions about it" Why? To get the black vote! Simple as that!

    Lastly "each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors"....actually this is a misleading statement. The correct way of saying it "The Young are more liberal because they don't have much to tax, do not own much and are trying to find their niche in society." Once they start to earn real money, or have a business, grow in wisdom....ohh then they become conservative.

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    Tytler cycle....I briefly read through this and my opinion is that they took events that happened during a time period to fit a narrative.
    There is another social cycle that tends to be a bit more accurate: Socialism ---> Dictatorship ---> Capitalism ---> Socialism. Basically when we reach the pinnacle of wealth in society, we feel sympathetic and push towards equality and boom we kill the cow and revert back to Socialism until everyone realizes socialism doesn't work at which time you get a person or group that rises to power and you get a dictatorship. Eventually the people overthrow the dictator and some form of freedom comes about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan186 View Post
    Tytler cycle....I briefly read through this and my opinion is that they took events that happened during a time period to fit a narrative.
    There is another social cycle that tends to be a bit more accurate: Socialism ---> Dictatorship ---> Capitalism ---> Socialism. Basically when we reach the pinnacle of wealth in society, we feel sympathetic and push towards equality and boom we kill the cow and revert back to Socialism until everyone realizes socialism doesn't work at which time you get a person or group that rises to power and you get a dictatorship. Eventually the people overthrow the dictator and some form of freedom comes about...
    That plays perfectly into the old adage. Those who fail to acknowledge their history are doomed to repeat it.

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