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Thread: How often do TEs taken early in the draft become Elite players? TJ Hockenson at 9?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Legs View Post
    You are right, if there was a redraft he would be a 1st rounder. So would Gronk. Zack Ertz maybe too?

    The question is....... why did teams not realize Kelce was a 1st rounder? Why was he drafted in the 3rd round? I think the answer is you never know if a tight end will transition to the NFL and become a star. Plenty of 1st round draft TEs. Why didn't they pan out? Because it is really hard to project.

    Someone could draft TJ Hockenson and he doesn't become All Pro in the NFL. Or, he might have a slow path to success like Eric Ebron. Eric Ebron was highly touted coming out of college. He was a slam dunk superstar! Yet, it took him several years to finally hit his stride. Why did it take him so long? IDK.
    Kelce had some serious maturity issues. Had his scholarship revoked when he was on Cincinnati. Substantial character red flags

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    everything being said about TE can be said about every position ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcw View Post
    I expect Beane to make trades draft day, though.....trades for players, trades up and possibly trade downs.
    I definitely can see a trade up. Either in the 3rd, or possibly the 2nd.

    In the 3rd we are picking 74th. If someone like the two safeties: Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, or Juan Thornhill, are on the board still, maybe they move up. Or, possibly for OT Kaleb McGary or DL Khalen Saunders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laughing Coffin View Post
    Kelce had some serious maturity issues. Had his scholarship revoked when he was on Cincinnati. Substantial character red flags
    That explains it...don't remember him in that draft.

    I know we are going "process" character players only, but with 10 draft picks some consideration should be given to take a flyer on a "character risk". I think we all did ding dong things when we were 18 or 19 years old, so in some cases it was just a temporary hiccup in their maturation process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laughing Coffin View Post
    Kelce had some serious maturity issues. Had his scholarship revoked when he was on Cincinnati. Substantial character red flags
    And Hockenson is a much cleaner prospect off the field, character issues or a lack of character issues matter for where you put a prospect on your draft board and when they get drafted.
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    My take on high tight ends?


    There's a rumor that if a tight end enters prison, he leaves as a wide receiver.

    (There's an easy example of this, but out of class I will skip it because I believe that portion was a set up, regardless of whether the crime was).
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    Here's something from an Iowa writer. about Hock and Fant. "Character" gets mentioned in it. I wonder if that will help push Beane off the fence?

    https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/ne...be-bills-radar
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    Hockenson absolutely mauls people run blocking too, I would be really happy taking him at 9

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    You have to ask(and this is how i see TE) if you're taking 1 top 10... Is this guy potential (and I mean HIGH potential) that he is a top 5 TE in the NFL for at least 5+ years?? and if you say..well I dont know about top 5 in ENTIORE NFL..then answers no..if he has a shot to be a top 5 TE in NFL for YEARS and its a HIGH chance..you take him.. That said right now all our TE are BUMS
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    “I love Hockenson. I think he's the safest player in the draft,” says Daniel Jeramiah. I'm not sure what to make of it, but that's a bold statement either way.

    Here's an article that says NFL analysts see TE as the position of hidden strength in the draft, with good value in every round...

    https://www.buffalobills.com/news/nf...h-of-the-draft
    "I don't think I'm easy to talk about. I've got a very irregular head. And I'm not anything that you think I am anyway".
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