So...who do we draft?

[MADSHERIFF]

Well, at 3-13, 4-12, or could it be 5-11, who do we go after? Marv will have the opportunity to be in the same position he was last year, and maybe even better. So, who do you want?

[mighty peace warrior]

a good LT would be a nice start..not a RT an actuall honest to god LT

[FinNasty]

Since the Fins look like a lock for a top 3 draft pick... I am thinking Calvin Johnson. Although, trading down and landing some linemen and a CB or LB would be great too...

[BanditsRock11]

Jake Long, please!!!!!!!!

[mighty peace warrior]

no more freaking "skill" position guys..gimmie a damn lineman

[Merk]

For those of you wondering are current draft posistion is #7 but that could change after tonight


And Nasty the Phins are currently #1 I believe

[FinNasty]

For those of you wondering are current draft posistion is #7 but that could change after tonight


And Nasty the Phins are currently #1 I believe

Are we really #1? God I need to go cry...

[SC FAN]

We need help everywhere.. OL, DE, LB, QB

[voicekiller]

either a good LT or a Tommie Harris type DT...i would be happy with either

[CookieG]

The upcoming draft is supposed to be very strong at OT and DE. We should get a great left tackle in round #1.

[ThomasVanek]

ENOUGH WITH SCREWING AROUND WITH OUR QB's...TAKE BRADY QUINN AND GET A LEGIT FRANCHISE QB.

OL in round 2 and DL in round 3.

[BeastMode Deep]

ENOUGH WITH SCREWING AROUND WITH OUR QB's...TAKE BRADY QUINN AND GET A LEGIT FRANCHISE QB.

OL in round 2 and DL in round 3.

No

O-line. If we must go QB, and I dont know why this would happen, I want Brian Brohm anyway.

[ddpderek]

NO OL in the first! We can get a good LT in the 2nd...

There are too many impact guys in this draft Quinn, Smith, Johnson, Ginn, Woodley...

we need to see what we got and see what we do in FA this is early for this.

[BeastMode Deep]

NO OL in the first! We can get a good LT in the 2nd...

There are too many impact guys in this draft Quinn, Smith, Johnson, Ginn, Woodley...

we need to see what we got and see what we do in FA this is early for this.

Mr. Donahoe, I didnt know you posted on this board, and that you still had an interest in the Bills

[TheAnswer74]

Brian Brohm

[FknGvna]

Joe Thomas!!!!!!

[TRIPLE P]

Brian Brohm

Why? He's been just OK since he's been in school... his team doesn't really need him, they win without him, and he's not a very large part of that offense...... he's gone through long stretches with throwing TD's and hasn't had a multiple TD game this year......

I just don't get why people are so enamored with this guy.

[voicekiller]

If we have a top 5 pick we should trade down a couple spots like to 8 or 9 and pick up an extra draft pick and then take a LT with our first pick and a DT or LB with next pick

[mighty peace warrior]

no more freaking "skill" guys..build the team the right way in the trenches

[Carl J. Ironsides]

As long as they get a top three pick, Brady Quinn.

Neither Oakland nor Miami will draft a QB, and the two of them will likely pick ahead of the Bills. Other high-pick bottom-feeders like Houston, Tennessee and Arizona won't pick one, either.

Our main competition for Quinn is probably the Browns.

[coastal]

no more freaking "skill" guys..build the team the right way in the trenchesYou betcha.

Jake Long for me please to play right tackle.

Yes.

That's right... right tackle.

Jason to left.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Anyone know the percentage of first-round tackles who have been "busts." So many are quick to point out the 50 % ratio for QBs. I'd like to hear what it is for tackles. Two recent ones I remember, Mike W. and Robert Gallery, have totally sucked.

[JimKelly12203]

We need an LT or a big bodied DT. I also wouldn't mind a DE but i have to admit, our trio of DEs have really impressed me. I think one more fresh body in the middle of that Defense (a little on the bigger side this time) would be fantastic.

But really we need to get a stud LT and a couple of high quality guards as soon as possible. Maybe the guys we have from last years draft can get it done. Time will tell, but there is a clear need for the LT position here. And there isn't an LT on this team that is good enough right now.

[D-Rocafella]

Jake Long and no one else.

[Losman4life7]

As long as they get a top three pick, Brady Quinn.

Neither Oakland nor Miami will draft a QB, and the two of them will likely pick ahead of the Bills. Other high-pick bottom-feeders like Houston, Tennessee and Arizona won't pick one, either.

Our main competition for Quinn is probably the Browns.

Houston has Carr... they might want Quinn
Browns have Frye who is still learning.. too early to pull the plug

[SPG]

Houston has Carr... they might want Quinn
Browns have Frye who is still learning.. too early to pull the plug

Carr is having a good season - 1217 yds, 9TD, 4INT, 97.9 RAT. Houston has too many problems to draft another QB - but I guess after their draft decisions this past draft, who knows.

[emo]

this is why I should never be in charge of a team. If I had the chance I'd take calvin johnson in a heartbeat.

though gaines adams would look damned good in a bills uni

[Might]

this is why I should never be in charge of a team. If I had the chance I'd take calvin johnson in a heartbeat.

though gaines adams would look damned good in a bills uni

I think I'd take Calvin Johnson 1st overall. He's head and shoulders above anyone else in the entire draft at any position... the Reggie Bush of the 07 draft.

I'm fearing Miami will get him, Culpepper will be back to his old form next year, and it's Culpepper-to-Johnson all season.

Calvin Johnson has the size of Plaxico/Randy, but the skills of Steve Smith. Go to www.ramblinwreck.com and click on the #21 pic of Johnson in the upper right corner. Look at him adjust to make some of those catches!

[Carl J. Ironsides]

I think I'd take Calvin Johnson 1st overall. He's head and shoulders above anyone else in the entire draft at any position... the Reggie Bush of the 07 draft.

I'm fearing Miami will get him, Culpepper will be back to his old form next year, and it's Culpepper-to-Johnson all season.

Calvin Johnson has the size of Plaxico/Randy, but the skills of Steve Smith. Go to www.ramblinwreck.com and click on the #21 pic of Johnson in the upper right corner. Look at him adjust to make some of those catches!

He runs a 4.3, too, according to ESPN's Todd McShay. That's a scary thought.

[Mouldsie]

I am weary of Calvin Johnson, whenever I watch GT games he disapears.


Anyone know the percentage of first-round tackles who have been "busts." So many are quick to point out the 50 % ratio for QBs. I'd like to hear what it is for tackles. Two recent ones I remember, Mike W. and Robert Gallery, have totally sucked.
1) QBs arent 50/50...
2) OL are traditionally the safest picks statistically.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

I am weary of Calvin Johnson, whenever I watch GT games he disapears.



1) QBs arent 50/50...
2) OL are traditionally the safest picks statistically.

Interesting. Thanks.

If QBs aren't 50/50, then what are they? McShay said 50/50 on ESPN today for first-round picks.

[Mouldsie]

Interesting. Thanks.

If QBs aren't 50/50, then what are they? McShay said 50/50 on ESPN today for first-round picks.

50/50 seems prety high...

from HC

2003 - Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman (3/4)
2002 - Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, McCown (1/4)
2001 - Vick, Brees, Quincy Carter, Tuiasasopo (2/4)
2000 - Pennington, Carmazzi, Redman, Tee Martin (1/4)
1999 - Couch, McNabb, Akili Smith, Culpepper (2/4)
1998 - Manning, Leaf, Batch, Jonathan Quinn (1/4)
1997 - Druckenmiller, Plummer, Wuerfell, Pat Barnes (1/4)
1996 - Tony Banks, Bobby Hoying, Jeff Lewis, Danny Kannell (0/4)
10/32 = 31%




We analyzed these things one year on the range... OL was tops in that "study"

[emo]

I am weary of Calvin Johnson, whenever I watch GT games he disapears.



1) QBs arent 50/50...
2) OL are traditionally the safest picks statistically.

perhaps you should watch more games?

calvin johnson is only as good as his terrible qb and horrid OC. last year, when he was the best receiver in college he had less than 60 catches for less than a thousand yards and 5 tds

its not what he does in college its whathe will do in the pros.

if nix installed the get it to johnson at all costs offense you'd see more out of him. He had 10 catches against VT, and dominated that game.

Against ND, gt had first down in the nd 11 and they ran 3 times to set up the field goal try. put him on usc, michigan, osu. and he's an all american, which I believe he was last year. with soemthing like 55 catches fro 880 yards and 5 tds.

In my mind he is the best receiver to come out since moss. he is the anti-mike williams

[Carl J. Ironsides]

50/50 seems prety high...

from HC

10/32 = 31%




We analyzed these things one year on the range... OL was tops in that "study"

Wow. ESPN should hire you, Evans. Nice work.

[Sabres244]

get Matt Schaub from Atlanta first....then draft OL from there

[Mouldsie]

perhaps you should watch more games?

calvin johnson is only as good as his terrible qb and horrid OC. last year, when he was the best receiver in college he had less than 60 catches for less than a thousand yards and 5 tds

its not what he does in college its whathe will do in the pros.

if nix installed the get it to johnson at all costs offense you'd see more out of him. He had 10 catches against VT, and dominated that game.

Against ND, gt had first down in the nd 11 and they ran 3 times to set up the field goal try. put him on usc, michigan, osu. and he's an all american, which I believe he was last year. with soemthing like 55 catches fro 880 yards and 5 tds.

In my mind he is the best receiver to come out since moss. he is the anti-mike williams

my cousin is a huge GT fan, i realize all these things about his talent and crappy QB and all that... but last week for example at one point he had been thrown to 5 times with zero catches and at least 1 drop

i just wish he would have made the catches that he should have.

anyway i dont think we need a WR

[Mouldsie]

get Matt Schaub from Atlanta first....then draft OL from there

If we could get Schaub for a 2nd round pick of less it might be worth it... I just would hate to have to give up a 1st for him (which will be the asking price IMO)

[emo]

my cousin is a huge GT fan, i realize all these things about his talent and crappy QB and all that... but last week for example at one point he had been thrown to 5 times with zero catches and at least 1 drop

i just wish he would have made the catches that he should have.

anyway i dont think we need a WR

with one drop isn't that you wish he made the catch that he should have?

he is the gt passing game. reggie ball has thrown for 1000 yards and 11 tds this year, he has 8, and something like 600 yards receiving.

he isn't a need based player. and despite what you may think wr is a need on this team. price and evans are not redzone targets that a qb would look for. Aside from hsi great hands, speed and size he is a guy who you can throw a fade to and be reasonably certain that he will have the best shot at it. That is a huge plus no matter who the qb is.

I agree that there are bigger needs than wr. but when you get a chance to add a player of his caliber then you pull the trigger.

thsi si especially true if peters works out at lt, then finding hsi bookend in the second should be relatively easy.

[Might]

with one drop isn't that you wish he made the catch that he should have?

he is the gt passing game. reggie ball has thrown for 1000 yards and 11 tds this year, he has 8, and something like 600 yards receiving.

he isn't a need based player. and despite what you may think wr is a need on this team. price and evans are not redzone targets that a qb would look for. Aside from hsi great hands, speed and size he is a guy who you can throw a fade to and be reasonably certain that he will have the best shot at it. That is a huge plus no matter who the qb is.

I agree that there are bigger needs than wr. but when you get a chance to add a player of his caliber then you pull the trigger.

thsi si especially true if peters works out at lt, then finding hsi bookend in the second should be relatively easy.

He's as good a blocker as Keyshawn Johnson too. Calvin Johnson/Lee Evans would be an absurd WR duo. Have potential to be mentioned in the same sentence as Chris Carter/Randy Moss.

The Bills have a ton of needs and a ton of positions that could use big upgrades. If you have a player who looks like a future Pro Bowler on a yearly basis, and there's no doubt in your mind about it... oh.... and you have Peerless Price as your #2... you take him.

During draft season... if this is a realisticly draftable player for us... a strong contingent of Rangers will be be calling for Calvin Johnson. It'll be like people calling for Vernon Davis (but we have Kevin Everett, the scoffers would say), only Calvin Johson will be a much better pro, and there's little doubt in several scouts minds (according to an SI article last week, a few scouts have said he's the #1 pick overall--only two WRs have ever been taken #1).

He's too freakishly good. Steve Smith+TO+Randy in his prime.

[Might]

my cousin is a huge GT fan, i realize all these things about his talent and crappy QB and all that... but last week for example at one point he had been thrown to 5 times with zero catches and at least 1 drop

i just wish he would have made the catches that he should have.

anyway i dont think we need a WR

www.ramblinwreck.com

Click the top right

[Brick Tamland]

I am weary of Calvin Johnson, whenever I watch GT games he disapears.

I haven't noticed that.

But the kid's a sicky for sure.

[JLB]

Would anybody trade down for more picks?
But remain in the 1st round of course.

[Mouldsie]

those are sick catches.... there's no doubt hes a fantastic talent with huge potential and most certainly a top 3 player in the draft and the best WR prospect since Fitzgerald. people just consider him the next coming of christ or something so i think he's a little overrated in that sense. (i mean if he was the next coming of christ he would have performed a little better vs troy, clemson, etc :D)

he would look awesome on this team for sure, i just dont know if we need a WR that much- even a great talent like CJ -when we could potentialy get a few starting linemen as an alternative.

BUT we wont be high enough to have the decision of whether or not to take him anyway

[Merk]

those are sick catches.... there's no doubt hes a fantastic talent with huge potential and most certainly a top 3 player in the draft and the best WR prospect since Fitzgerald. people just consider him the next coming of christ or something so i think he's a little overrated in that sense. (i mean if he was the next coming of christ he would have performed a little better vs troy, clemson, etc :D)

he would look awesome on this team for sure, i just dont know if we need a WR that much- even a great talent like CJ -when we could potentialy get a few starting linemen as an alternative.

BUT we wont be high enough to have the decision of whether or not to take him anyway



He was injured vs Troy

[Callaway]

Any posistion but RB, SS, and CB would be fine with me

[Might]

those are sick catches.... there's no doubt hes a fantastic talent with huge potential and most certainly a top 3 player in the draft and the best WR prospect since Fitzgerald. people just consider him the next coming of christ or something so i think he's a little overrated in that sense. (i mean if he was the next coming of christ he would have performed a little better vs troy, clemson, etc :D)

he would look awesome on this team for sure, i just dont know if we need a WR that much- even a great talent like CJ -when we could potentialy get a few starting linemen as an alternative.

BUT we wont be high enough to have the decision of whether or not to take him anyway

Unless we're in the top 2, there's no way we end up with Calvin Johnson.

I think this time last year we were talking about getting Mathias Kiwanuka with our top 10 pick... so draft talk right now should always be taken with a grain of salt.

[emo]

realistically, I think the bills are looking at gaines adams, and joe thomas, branch and okam, oh and moses.

I dismiss moses because I think when you get manhandled by aaron sears that pretty much says it all.

I think that if peters works at lt you dont' spend your high first on an ot. You cna find good rt's in the second and even into the third round.

You can also buy the services of leonard davis and max starks.

I would like to see the bills pony up for either one of those two, then maybe draft adams in the first, best guard in the second, best lb in the 3rd, then jimmy johnson it from rounds 4 on.

peters, esara, fowler, preston, and davis/starks looks like a really good start to one hell of a good line

[mighty peace warrior]

i agree, i no longer think we will draft a LT. A RT and Guard in the 2-5 round would be nice. Perhaps a DT in the first.

no thanks to Leonard Davis

[emo]

i agree, i no longer think we will draft a LT. A RT and Guard in the 2-5 round would be nice. Perhaps a DT in the first.

no thanks to Leonard Davis

I dont' get why people dont' like leonard davis? He'd make a perfect right tackle can run block very well and can slide in to play guard as needed. He's been reallyu solid on what has been a rather awful line, with kurt warner playing behind him.

[mighty peace warrior]

i have been watching cardinal games on the dish...i just dont get the infatuation. That line is worse than ours

[emo]

i have been watching cardinal games on the dish...i just dont get the infatuation. That line is worse than ours

from teh games that I have seen he seems to be a real standout on what is otherwise a terrible line. But, if he sucks then he sucks you'll have to vastly overpay to get starks, if pitt allows him to get to free agency

[mighty peace warrior]

i wouldnt mind overpaying for a good player. how old is starks?

[emo]

i wouldnt mind overpaying for a good player. how old is starks?

starks would ebt he ideal fit for the bills

1. he's a right tackle.
2. he's 6-8 337
3. he's young, 24-25
4. he has a ring and has been in a winning franchise.

the thing is that he might get franchised, and the bills would have to give up at least their first to get him. while I think he's awesome. and would be an amazing fit here. I don't know that I'd be willing to go that far for him.

the pats got their rt int he late third round

you can find rt's deep into most drafts. Hell, SD got theirs in the 7th round.


he's a restricted free agent
I think the defensive line needs to eb addressed in the first, adams, okam, or branch would all be excellent fits and worthy of that high first round pick.

[unklechucky]

Jake Long

Enough said.
Huge, fast OT
Lets build a line we can work with.

[emo]

I dont' want jake long if peters can play lt. It's a dumb pick when you can use that on a guy like branch okam or adams adams especially.

[unklechucky]

Long would make a hell of a RT. Ol is a position that has been ignored far too long.

[emo]

ignored? they drafted a rt 4th , they then converted peters from te to rt while williams didn't work out, I couldn't disagree more that it was ignored.

rt,s are realtively easy to find in teh second round why spend the 8th pick on that spot when you have better players at other positions that fit needs?

[Mouldsie]

Starks is a Restricted free agent

he'll cost you at least a 1st round pick

[emo]

Starks is a Restricted free agent

he'll cost you at least a 1st round pick

I added that.

and if you're talking long, or thomas, or whatever tackle, then it makes more sense to give up your first to get a guy who you already know is good and fits perfectly into a slot you need filled.

[Mouldsie]

true, but giving up a top 5-10 pick would suck


if you're a team picking in the mid 20's though it can be a great move

[emo]

true, but giving up a top 5-10 pick would suck


if you're a team picking in the mid 20's though it can be a great move

it would only suck if you had plans to take something other than a tackle.

with starks you have the right position, none of that pain in the ass bickering over rookie contracts, and no rookie learning curve, and at 24 he has plenty of upside, as much as any tackle in the current draft.

[twosheds]

though gaines adams would look damned good in a bills uni

I'm really warming up to gaines adams, from highlight films. I hope I can catch a Clemson game this season.

[Mouldsie]

it would only suck if you had plans to take something other than a tackle.

with starks you have the right position, none of that pain in the ass bickering over rookie contracts, and no rookie learning curve, and at 24 he has plenty of upside, as much as any tackle in the current draft.
you're getting a good player but you may also miss out on a potential all-pro even if you do go OT. if you asked me who i'd rather have between joe thomas and max starks it's not an automatic decision that i will go with starks

[GFLuNEEDit]

The Bills obviously need a RB, an offensive line and a QB

[SabresFan220]

Losman can do the job right if we could actually protect him. I say let him do all his screwing up this year because this season is already all but in the toilet. Peters is the only Offensive lineman I really like and he was a tight end in college. If Willis will actually stay we're fine at RB, Clements is gone after this year so we'll need a corner. But here's the easy answer, let Marv handle it.

[Callaway]

Losman can do the job right if we could actually protect him. I say let him do all his screwing up this year because this season is already all but in the toilet. Peters is the only Offensive lineman I really like and he was a tight end in college. If Willis will actually stay we're fine at RB, Clements is gone after this year so we'll need a corner. But here's the easy answer, let Marv handle it.



How is getting him a better OL going to fix his inability to read defenses, starring down WR's, and holding on to the ball to long?

I want to upgrade the OL but not for JP.

[treydawg]

We should've taken Marcus McNeil next year.

[Mouldsie]

I still want Leonard

[emo]

I still want Leonard

I thoguth shelton did a hell of a job against the pack really taking hawk out on a couple plays. But leonard looks good. I'm just not sold on him considering teh lack of skill he's played against

[bcw]

By picking Whitner last year it showed me that Marv cares more about the player than the position he plays. We have a ton of holes (RT, DT, MLB, DB, QB) and Marv will fill one of them with the best true football player he can find, not necessarily the player rated the highest by the experts.

[SabresFan220]

Why should we throw away Losman now? He only just started to play really, yes he's been in the NFL awhile but it took Drew Brees until the Chargers had drafted his replacement to start playing. Do you really wanna be drafting Brady Quinn or Troy to replace Losman and then see him light things up and force them on the bench? I'd rather let Marv fill the holes his way than grab the wrong guy. Besides, trading Losman would maybe get us a 4th rounder at this point, not exactly worth it.

[bcw]

When is Losman's contract up? We've invested a lot of time and money in him and if he starts to turn it around right before his contract is up there will be a huge decision to be made whether to resign him or not.