Could a Traitor do any worse than Clinton?

[Smash]

http://usa-patriot.net/chinspy4.shtml
MAY 22, 1998 RETRANSMITTED FROM COMMENTATOR TONY SNOW

WASHINGTON -- The latest Chinagate eruption differs from all previous Clinton controversies because it doesn't require people to hear a lot of grisly stuff about the president's lust or his wife's greed. This one focuses on the simple issue of incompetence.
In less than six years as commander in chief, Bill Clinton has done what Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and the rest of the Cold War tyrants couldn't accomplish. He has drained the American military of its muscle, crippled its will, sucked the brains from the intelligence establishment and removed what backbone remained in the foreign-policy establishment.

Nobody fears us anymore. Nobody respects us. The word has gotten out: If you want the United States to treat you well, behave badly.

When North Korea began threatening South Korea with nuclear annihilation, we gave them a bunch of nuclear reactors and ordered them to start behaving -- within 10 years. When China provoked a confrontation with Taiwan, the president relaxed export restrictions -- clearing the way for the communist regime in Beijing to develop an incredible arsenal.

When the Serbs commit atrocities, we hold press conferences. When the Russians sell sensitive technology to Iran, we threaten to put less ice in Boris Yeltsin's drinks. We punished India for detonating bombs by selling it a strategically useful supercomputer -- and then threatening economic sanctions.

This week, the administration relaxed sanctions against Iran -- which the State Department again has dubbed the world's foremost exporter of terrorism. We did the same for Libya, No. 2 on the terror list. And, of course, we tried to talk Pakistan back from the nuclear brink by offering to fulfill an old order for $600 million worth of fighter jets.

Is it any wonder heads of state laugh when we lecture them on the evils of nuclear proliferation? The question is whether our bungling is the result of accident or design. To find an answer, let us examine the case of China.

Soon after taking office, Bill Clinton authorized a dramatic change in the rules governing the sale of supercomputers. He gave the Department of Commerce permission to sell units that were more than 20 times as fast as anything we ever had permitted beyond our borders.

We sold them to such nations as India and China. Although the machines ostensibly were sent to help other nations create nuclear power plants, we didn't monitor their uses. Now, intelligence reports indicate that the computers play crucial roles in both countries' weapons-development efforts.

The administration also let loose highly sensitive encryption technology that gives China the capability of decoding some of our own spy satellite transmissions. The president personally authorized that transfer over the objections of the State and Defense departments, and the intelligence establishment.

The administration permitted two companies with close Democratic ties, Hughes Aircraft and Loral Space & Communications Ltd., to help China launch American satellites that contained encryption microchips. When one such launch went awry, American teams went to search the wreckage. They found a Loral satellite more or less intact -- except for the encryption microchips, which were missing!

Subsequently, China got U.S. help in fixing up its rockets to avoid future explosions. The mishap thus produced two perverse results: China now not only has the microchips, it also can hit the United States with nuclear weapons. All but five of the communist nation's 18 ICBMs are aimed at us. To top it off, those rockets within a decade will have the ability to launch 10 warheads apiece, rather than just one -- also thanks to American know-how.

China got access to all this stuff because the Clinton administration invited it to. The White House wiped away many previous controls on the export of sensitive equipment or technology. It transferred responsibility for evaluating the sales from the Departments of Defense and State, which tend to view such things through the prism of national security, to the Department of Commerce, which looks for a quick buck.

As all this was going on, an interesting cadre of characters were making Camp Clinton safe for espionage. The president placed John Hujng in the Department of Commerce, ostensibly in a mid-level job. But Huang moved in only the highest circles.

He pressured the administration to put Bernard Schwartz on a 1994 trade mission to China. Schwartz is the head of Loral (the satellite maker) and the most generous contributor this decade to the Democratic Party. Schwartz got on the trip and later secured a billion-dollar contract with China. His company may have breached national security when it sent satellites to China, but the president signed an executive order that made Loral's behavior legal -- an ex post facto pardon.

While Huang worked at the Commerce Department, he received 37 classified briefings from the CIA on -- you guessed it -- satellite encryption technology. He regularly sent packages to China, showed up at the Chinese embassy and maintained a private office outside the Commerce Department, from which he made hundreds of calls to Asia.

Scandal devotees will recall that Huang received a top-secret security clearance without a background check. The unusual clearance became effective six months before he officially went to work for the government and remained effective a year after he left Uncle Sam's employ.

He managed also to get involved with Johnny Chung -- who has told federal investigators that he received $300,000 from the daughter of China's top military man and that he routed at least one-third of that sum to the Democratic Party -- and Charlie Trie, who escorted several top Chinese officials (including at least two top arms merchants) into the White House.

This kind of security breach tops anything we know about in modern times. And what did we get in return?

We got a made-in-the-USA nuclear arms race in what rapidly is becoming the most unstable area of the world -- the Asia-Pacific region. India and Pakistan have nukes -- or the capability to manufacture them. Indonesia is in the midst both of a melt-down and an arms build-up. Malaysia has been increasing its defense spending at a clip of nearly 10 percent per year. North Korea continues to create problems. And China helps arm virtually every one of them.

You don't have to get into the vagaries of Democratic Party fundraising to understand that the administration's casual attitude toward national security has placed us all in some jeopardy. If the White House were as jealous of our technological secrets as it is of the president's personal ventures, we could breathe easy. Unfortunately, we can't -- and our new insecurity is the result not of dumb luck, but of dumb and deliberate policy.



Now for my two cents.
It's not dumb policy Tony, it's TREASONOUS policy

[coastal]

Everybody, everybody, let's get into it.
Get stupid.
Get retarded, get retarded, get retarded.

[Smash]

Everybody, everybody, let's get into it.
Get stupid.
Get retarded, get retarded, get retarded.

Hee, hee!

[coastal]

Wooo! Hooo!

[Smash]

Wooo! Hooo!

Hoo, Rahh!

[coastal]

Hoo, Rahh!

:rofl:

Pump it...

Louder!

Pump it!

[Smash]

:rofl:

Pump it...

Louder!

Pump it!

HOO RAHH!!!

I'm so glad your on this with me, Clinton was a traitor, period. The sooner we accept it, the sooner the country will begin to heal.

[coastal]

HOO RAHH!!!

I'm so glad your on this with me, Clinton was a traitor, period. The sooner we accept it, the sooner the country will begin to heal.
I'm right there in the trenches homeboy!

Bill should have made that girl swallow the evidence.

A disgrace to every red-blooded American male out there!

[Jetsy]

http://usa-patriot.net/chinspy4.shtml
MAY 22, 1998 RETRANSMITTED FROM COMMENTATOR TONY SNOW

WASHINGTON -- The latest Chinagate eruption differs from all previous Clinton controversies because it doesn't require people to hear a lot of grisly stuff about the president's lust or his wife's greed. This one focuses on the simple issue of incompetence.
In less than six years as commander in chief, Bill Clinton has done what Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and the rest of the Cold War tyrants couldn't accomplish. He has drained the American military of its muscle, crippled its will, sucked the brains from the intelligence establishment and removed what backbone remained in the foreign-policy establishment.

Nobody fears us anymore. Nobody respects us. The word has gotten out: If you want the United States to treat you well, behave badly.

When North Korea began threatening South Korea with nuclear annihilation, we gave them a bunch of nuclear reactors and ordered them to start behaving -- within 10 years. When China provoked a confrontation with Taiwan, the president relaxed export restrictions -- clearing the way for the communist regime in Beijing to develop an incredible arsenal.

When the Serbs commit atrocities, we hold press conferences. When the Russians sell sensitive technology to Iran, we threaten to put less ice in Boris Yeltsin's drinks. We punished India for detonating bombs by selling it a strategically useful supercomputer -- and then threatening economic sanctions.

This week, the administration relaxed sanctions against Iran -- which the State Department again has dubbed the world's foremost exporter of terrorism. We did the same for Libya, No. 2 on the terror list. And, of course, we tried to talk Pakistan back from the nuclear brink by offering to fulfill an old order for $600 million worth of fighter jets.

Is it any wonder heads of state laugh when we lecture them on the evils of nuclear proliferation? The question is whether our bungling is the result of accident or design. To find an answer, let us examine the case of China.

Soon after taking office, Bill Clinton authorized a dramatic change in the rules governing the sale of supercomputers. He gave the Department of Commerce permission to sell units that were more than 20 times as fast as anything we ever had permitted beyond our borders.

We sold them to such nations as India and China. Although the machines ostensibly were sent to help other nations create nuclear power plants, we didn't monitor their uses. Now, intelligence reports indicate that the computers play crucial roles in both countries' weapons-development efforts.

The administration also let loose highly sensitive encryption technology that gives China the capability of decoding some of our own spy satellite transmissions. The president personally authorized that transfer over the objections of the State and Defense departments, and the intelligence establishment.

The administration permitted two companies with close Democratic ties, Hughes Aircraft and Loral Space & Communications Ltd., to help China launch American satellites that contained encryption microchips. When one such launch went awry, American teams went to search the wreckage. They found a Loral satellite more or less intact -- except for the encryption microchips, which were missing!

Subsequently, China got U.S. help in fixing up its rockets to avoid future explosions. The mishap thus produced two perverse results: China now not only has the microchips, it also can hit the United States with nuclear weapons. All but five of the communist nation's 18 ICBMs are aimed at us. To top it off, those rockets within a decade will have the ability to launch 10 warheads apiece, rather than just one -- also thanks to American know-how.

China got access to all this stuff because the Clinton administration invited it to. The White House wiped away many previous controls on the export of sensitive equipment or technology. It transferred responsibility for evaluating the sales from the Departments of Defense and State, which tend to view such things through the prism of national security, to the Department of Commerce, which looks for a quick buck.

As all this was going on, an interesting cadre of characters were making Camp Clinton safe for espionage. The president placed John Hujng in the Department of Commerce, ostensibly in a mid-level job. But Huang moved in only the highest circles.

He pressured the administration to put Bernard Schwartz on a 1994 trade mission to China. Schwartz is the head of Loral (the satellite maker) and the most generous contributor this decade to the Democratic Party. Schwartz got on the trip and later secured a billion-dollar contract with China. His company may have breached national security when it sent satellites to China, but the president signed an executive order that made Loral's behavior legal -- an ex post facto pardon.

While Huang worked at the Commerce Department, he received 37 classified briefings from the CIA on -- you guessed it -- satellite encryption technology. He regularly sent packages to China, showed up at the Chinese embassy and maintained a private office outside the Commerce Department, from which he made hundreds of calls to Asia.

Scandal devotees will recall that Huang received a top-secret security clearance without a background check. The unusual clearance became effective six months before he officially went to work for the government and remained effective a year after he left Uncle Sam's employ.

He managed also to get involved with Johnny Chung -- who has told federal investigators that he received $300,000 from the daughter of China's top military man and that he routed at least one-third of that sum to the Democratic Party -- and Charlie Trie, who escorted several top Chinese officials (including at least two top arms merchants) into the White House.

This kind of security breach tops anything we know about in modern times. And what did we get in return?

We got a made-in-the-USA nuclear arms race in what rapidly is becoming the most unstable area of the world -- the Asia-Pacific region. India and Pakistan have nukes -- or the capability to manufacture them. Indonesia is in the midst both of a melt-down and an arms build-up. Malaysia has been increasing its defense spending at a clip of nearly 10 percent per year. North Korea continues to create problems. And China helps arm virtually every one of them.

You don't have to get into the vagaries of Democratic Party fundraising to understand that the administration's casual attitude toward national security has placed us all in some jeopardy. If the White House were as jealous of our technological secrets as it is of the president's personal ventures, we could breathe easy. Unfortunately, we can't -- and our new insecurity is the result not of dumb luck, but of dumb and deliberate policy.



Now for my two cents.
It's not dumb policy Tony, it's TREASONOUS policy

Sad but very true Smash. Clinton was a disgrace.

[jimmifli]

My eyes feel dirty.

[notacon]

The country is in it’s worst shape in decades because George Bush is easily the worst president in the history of this great country and all the Rush Limbaugh pimps can do is dredge up the old Clinton bashing bullshit…replete with lies, misrepresentation, innuendo and hubris….ahhhhhhh how I miss the old days of made up crisis when the country enjoyed 8 years of bliss.

Smash has got to be the most pathetic conservative nut-case I have ever encountered.

How is the view up your colon?

[dasaybz]

Clinton was such a disgrace. That pile of filth set this country back many years.

[ckg68]

FACT: from 1994-2002,in the era of the Clinton "agreed framework",there was no plutonium production...all existing plutomium was under international inspection...and NO BOMB.

FACT: from 2002-06,in the Bush policy era,there has been active plutonium production....no international inspection of the plutomium stocks...and a nuclear warhead was detonated.

Bottom line: An imperfect but working policy was ditched and replaced with no policy. Now,North Korea has (apparently) joined the Nuclear Club.

[Papaduke]

Jeez arguing which of the last 2 presidents is better is like asking which pile of shit is prettier. In the final analysis they are both still pieces of shit.

[notacon]

Clinton was such a disgrace. That pile of filth set this country back many years.

Now, with almost 6 years since Clinton left office, and 20-20 hindsight, it is plain to any reasonable observer what total nonsense that is.

EVERYTHING was better during Clinton’s reign including the economy (especially for the lower 98% of income earners), the federal budget, national security, America’s moral standing around the world, America’s foreign policy and the sex scandals.

The only groups that prospered with Bush over Clinton are the filthy rich, big corporations like pharmaceutical companies, banks and military contractors and especially terrorists.

[deconstruction]

http://usa-patriot.net/chinspy4.shtml
MAY 22, 1998 RETRANSMITTED FROM COMMENTATOR TONY SNOW

WASHINGTON -- The latest Chinagate eruption differs from all previous Clinton controversies because it doesn't require people to hear a lot of grisly stuff about the president's lust or his wife's greed. This one focuses on the simple issue of incompetence.
In less than six years as commander in chief, Bill Clinton has done what Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and the rest of the Cold War tyrants couldn't accomplish. He has drained the American military of its muscle, crippled its will, sucked the brains from the intelligence establishment and removed what backbone remained in the foreign-policy establishment.

Nobody fears us anymore. Nobody respects us. The word has gotten out: If you want the United States to treat you well, behave badly.

When North Korea began threatening South Korea with nuclear annihilation, we gave them a bunch of nuclear reactors and ordered them to start behaving -- within 10 years. When China provoked a confrontation with Taiwan, the president relaxed export restrictions -- clearing the way for the communist regime in Beijing to develop an incredible arsenal.

When the Serbs commit atrocities, we hold press conferences. When the Russians sell sensitive technology to Iran, we threaten to put less ice in Boris Yeltsin's drinks. We punished India for detonating bombs by selling it a strategically useful supercomputer -- and then threatening economic sanctions.

This week, the administration relaxed sanctions against Iran -- which the State Department again has dubbed the world's foremost exporter of terrorism. We did the same for Libya, No. 2 on the terror list. And, of course, we tried to talk Pakistan back from the nuclear brink by offering to fulfill an old order for $600 million worth of fighter jets.

Is it any wonder heads of state laugh when we lecture them on the evils of nuclear proliferation? The question is whether our bungling is the result of accident or design. To find an answer, let us examine the case of China.

Soon after taking office, Bill Clinton authorized a dramatic change in the rules governing the sale of supercomputers. He gave the Department of Commerce permission to sell units that were more than 20 times as fast as anything we ever had permitted beyond our borders.

We sold them to such nations as India and China. Although the machines ostensibly were sent to help other nations create nuclear power plants, we didn't monitor their uses. Now, intelligence reports indicate that the computers play crucial roles in both countries' weapons-development efforts.

The administration also let loose highly sensitive encryption technology that gives China the capability of decoding some of our own spy satellite transmissions. The president personally authorized that transfer over the objections of the State and Defense departments, and the intelligence establishment.

The administration permitted two companies with close Democratic ties, Hughes Aircraft and Loral Space & Communications Ltd., to help China launch American satellites that contained encryption microchips. When one such launch went awry, American teams went to search the wreckage. They found a Loral satellite more or less intact -- except for the encryption microchips, which were missing!

Subsequently, China got U.S. help in fixing up its rockets to avoid future explosions. The mishap thus produced two perverse results: China now not only has the microchips, it also can hit the United States with nuclear weapons. All but five of the communist nation's 18 ICBMs are aimed at us. To top it off, those rockets within a decade will have the ability to launch 10 warheads apiece, rather than just one -- also thanks to American know-how.

China got access to all this stuff because the Clinton administration invited it to. The White House wiped away many previous controls on the export of sensitive equipment or technology. It transferred responsibility for evaluating the sales from the Departments of Defense and State, which tend to view such things through the prism of national security, to the Department of Commerce, which looks for a quick buck.

As all this was going on, an interesting cadre of characters were making Camp Clinton safe for espionage. The president placed John Hujng in the Department of Commerce, ostensibly in a mid-level job. But Huang moved in only the highest circles.

He pressured the administration to put Bernard Schwartz on a 1994 trade mission to China. Schwartz is the head of Loral (the satellite maker) and the most generous contributor this decade to the Democratic Party. Schwartz got on the trip and later secured a billion-dollar contract with China. His company may have breached national security when it sent satellites to China, but the president signed an executive order that made Loral's behavior legal -- an ex post facto pardon.

While Huang worked at the Commerce Department, he received 37 classified briefings from the CIA on -- you guessed it -- satellite encryption technology. He regularly sent packages to China, showed up at the Chinese embassy and maintained a private office outside the Commerce Department, from which he made hundreds of calls to Asia.

Scandal devotees will recall that Huang received a top-secret security clearance without a background check. The unusual clearance became effective six months before he officially went to work for the government and remained effective a year after he left Uncle Sam's employ.

He managed also to get involved with Johnny Chung -- who has told federal investigators that he received $300,000 from the daughter of China's top military man and that he routed at least one-third of that sum to the Democratic Party -- and Charlie Trie, who escorted several top Chinese officials (including at least two top arms merchants) into the White House.

This kind of security breach tops anything we know about in modern times. And what did we get in return?

We got a made-in-the-USA nuclear arms race in what rapidly is becoming the most unstable area of the world -- the Asia-Pacific region. India and Pakistan have nukes -- or the capability to manufacture them. Indonesia is in the midst both of a melt-down and an arms build-up. Malaysia has been increasing its defense spending at a clip of nearly 10 percent per year. North Korea continues to create problems. And China helps arm virtually every one of them.

You don't have to get into the vagaries of Democratic Party fundraising to understand that the administration's casual attitude toward national security has placed us all in some jeopardy. If the White House were as jealous of our technological secrets as it is of the president's personal ventures, we could breathe easy. Unfortunately, we can't -- and our new insecurity is the result not of dumb luck, but of dumb and deliberate policy.



Now for my two cents.
It's not dumb policy Tony, it's TREASONOUS policy

This is possibly the most ignorant and one sided article I have ever read. Was it written by Colter?

Whatever. Its funny to see the lengts to which the right will go to escape any responsibility. Whatever happened to "the buck stops here?"

[dasaybz]

Now, with almost 6 years since Clinton left office, and 20-20 hindsight, it is plain to any reasonable observer what total nonsense that is.

EVERYTHING was better during Clinton’s reign including the economy (especially for the lower 98% of income earners), the federal budget, national security, America’s moral standing around the world, America’s foreign policy and the sex scandals.

The only groups that prospered with Bush over Clinton are the filthy rich, big corporations like pharmaceutical companies, banks and military contractors and especially terrorists.

Hey, I work for a pharmaceutical company ... hahaha

[micknaboz]

Jeez arguing which of the last 2 presidents is better is like asking which pile of shit is prettier. In the final analysis they are both still pieces of shit.

Theres no comparison at at all between the amount of incompetance in the Bush WH to the Clinton WH. You could start with Bush and his people totally ignoring all warnings of an attack in the summer of 2001.


But keep living in your fantasy world , cuz denial is such a lovely place.

[Gibby]

I'm no fan of Clinton but do you know who really started the ball rolling towards a smaller defense force?

A: George Bush. In 1989 the Berlin Wall was toppled and after Iraq War I ended in 1991 there was no real need for a huge cold warrior military machine. Did Clinton overstretch us in the 90s you better bet your bottom dollar that he did. However much of the technology and weaponry and funds used to strike OBL immediately after 9/11 were allocated under the clinton administration and what was congress doing? Congress, not the president approves and determines what money the military and every other government program gets and after 1994 the congress was dominated by the GOP.

However, one could ask what Bush has done for the military. Recruiters are having trouble meeting quotas even though we are impoverished across this nation. The military is overextended on prolonged tours of duty overseas. We can't find OBL and after promising not to nation build in the y2k election our proud military is forced to do things the Iraqis need to do for themselves. Now while Clinton might do things seen as treasonable, Bush IMHO has done far worse.

[notacon]

I'm no fan of Clinton but do you know who really started the ball rolling towards a smaller defense force?

A: George Bush. In 1989 the Berlin Wall was toppled and after Iraq War I ended in 1991 there was no real need for a huge cold warrior military machine. Did Clinton overstretch us in the 90s you better bet your bottom dollar that he did. However much of the technology and weaponry and funds used to strike OBL immediately after 9/11 were allocated under the clinton administration and what was congress doing? Congress, not the president approves and determines what money the military and every other government program gets and after 1994 the congress was dominated by the GOP.

However, one could ask what Bush has done for the military. Recruiters are having trouble meeting quotas even though we are impoverished across this nation. The military is overextended on prolonged tours of duty overseas. We can't find OBL and after promising not to nation build in the y2k election our proud military is forced to do things the Iraqis need to do for themselves. Now while Clinton might do things seen as treasonable, Bush IMHO has done far worse.

Good post. Common sense and reality does little to stop the Bush sycophants.

Clearly, the military as presently constructed is in no way ready or optimized for the realities of the 21st century.

The only thing today’s military does is line the pockets of big defense contractors with their GOP lap dogs ready and able to ensure that the $500 BILLION does little more than buy outdated hardware that is not needed and pretty useless in fighting the war against terror.

[shiva2999]

The War on Terror is bogus.

A tool of the imperialists.

Stop terrorizing other people and they won't terrorize you.

The amount of YOUR money being ripped off by pirates in the service of the security state is staggering, and it's only happening because you guys are too stupid or too craven to recognize what's happening right in front of your nose.

[JLB]

Hey, I work for a pharmaceutical company ... hahaha


Free drugs the best kind.:arizona: :arizona:

[dasaybz]

The War on Terror is bogus.

A tool of the imperialists.

Stop terrorizing other people and they won't terrorize you.

The amount of YOUR money being ripped off by pirates in the service of the security state is staggering, and it's only happening because you guys are too stupid or too craven to recognize what's happening right in front of your nose.

So basically if we leave the terrorists alone, they are going to be peaceful fun lovin guys?

No way.

[dasaybz]

Im sure Daniel Pearl's wife would understand though.

[Smash]

This is possibly the most ignorant and one sided article I have ever read. Was it written by Colter?

Whatever. Its funny to see the lengts to which the right will go to escape any responsibility. Whatever happened to "the buck stops here?"

Can't you read? It was written by my main man Tony Snow.

[GOPchick]

The War on Terror is bogus.

A tool of the imperialists.

Stop terrorizing other people and they won't terrorize you.

The amount of YOUR money being ripped off by pirates in the service of the security state is staggering, and it's only happening because you guys are too stupid or too craven to recognize what's happening right in front of your nose.

Come on Shiva.......even I know at this point you don't believe what you posted.

[micknaboz]

Come on Shiva.......even I know at this point you don't believe what you posted.

So I gather you never heard of President Eisenhowers warnings of the power and corruption of the military-industrial complex?? Doesnt ring a bell??

[dasaybz]

So I gather you never heard of President Eisenhowers warnings of the power and corruption of the military-industrial complex?? Doesnt ring a bell??

I get what you are saying, but do you think that this could apply to terrorists?

[Lucidvizion]

So I gather you never heard of President Eisenhowers warnings of the power and corruption of the military-industrial complex?? Doesnt ring a bell??

The 45 year old speech that is referred to in every single modern conspiracy theory?

[deconstruction]

Can't you read? It was written by my main man Tony Snow.


Ahhh the mouthpiece!

[shiva2999]

Once again, terrorism is public relations, it has NO military component.

Most "real terrorists" are single issue "let my people go" types like Palestinians and Tamil Tigers and Chechnyans.

International Terrorism is a creation of the superpower intelligence agencies, employing mercenaries, psychos and patsies.

Totally bogus.

[micknaboz]

I get what you are saying, but do you think that this could apply to terrorists?

Yeah I definitely think it applies to the WOT. Just start researching how many billions companies like Halliburton have aquired with absolutely no oversight or accountability. Or how many millions or billions have just disappeared.

Oh BTW it just so happens the Bushites decided that they did not need to have competitive bidding on anything these companies were going to do , just having the right conections was good enough.


posted by lucid vizion
The 45 year old speech that is referred to in every single modern conspiracy theory?

I dont know about that, but I do know it was a Republican president that was wise enough to point it out. Anyone who doesnt believe the enormous power that corporations wield in establishing policy and legislation is beyond stupid. And that reply of yours is about as weak as it gets.

[dasaybz]

Once again, terrorism is public relations, it has NO military component.

Most "real terrorists" are single issue "let my people go" types like Palestinians and Tamil Tigers and Chechnyans.

International Terrorism is a creation of the superpower intelligence agencies, employing mercenaries, psychos and patsies.

Totally bogus.

You just contradicted yourself. You say that the terrorists have no military components, and then you name the Palestinians as terrorists. You don't even know what you are saying anymore.

[shiva2999]

You just contradicted yourself. You say that the terrorists have no military components, and then you name the Palestinians as terrorists. You don't even know what you are saying anymore.

Huh?

What military do the Palestinians have?

Compared to Isreal it's like a fly on an elephant.

Get serious.

[Gibby]

FACT: from 1994-2002,in the era of the Clinton "agreed framework",there was no plutonium production...all existing plutomium was under international inspection...and NO BOMB.

FACT: from 2002-06,in the Bush policy era,there has been active plutonium production....no international inspection of the plutomium stocks...and a nuclear warhead was detonated.

Bottom line: An imperfect but working policy was ditched and replaced with no policy. Now,North Korea has (apparently) joined the Nuclear Club.

damn good post ckg.

[Meathead]

yeah who the hell wants peace and prosperity

this surging extremism/ballooning deficit/nuclear proliferation living on the edge of your seat is way cooler

[dasaybz]

yeah who the hell wants peace and prosperity

this surging extremism/ballooning deficit/nuclear proliferation living on the edge of your seat is way cooler

Peace and prosperity have done sooo well in the past right?

Here, have some more koolaid.

[JLB]

So basically if we leave the terrorists alone, they are going to be peaceful fun lovin guys?

Eliminate as many as possible.