All abortion should be illegal!

[Smash]

Here’s a a little senario for you liberals to consider, which proves that abortion should be illegal in all cases, even rape.

Say a woman has a surgery, and she is impregnated while under anesthesia by her doctor. She doesn’t know that she was raped. She goes on to deliver her baby, thinking it was the product of her and her husband. After three years, her husband files for divorce and has a paternity test issued, and they find out the baby is not his. The woman thinks back to her surgery, and remembers feeling strange afterwards. She then comes to figure out that her doctor impregnated her after getting a court order for a paternity test.

My argument is, if the woman cannot “abort” the three year old baby because he was a product of rape, she cannot abort a baby at all.

(I heard this on Rush, HE’S THE MAN!)

[deconstruction]

Here’s a a little senario for you liberals to consider, which proves that abortion should be illegal in all cases, even rape.

Say a woman has a surgery, and she is impregnated while under anesthesia by her doctor. She doesn’t know that she was raped. She goes on to deliver her baby, thinking it was the product of her and her husband. After three years, her husband files for divorce and has a paternity test issued, and they find out the baby is not his. The woman thinks back to her surgery, and remembers feeling strange afterwards. She then comes to figure out that her doctor impregnated her after getting a court order for a paternity test.

My argument is, if the woman cannot “abort” the three year old baby because he was a product of rape, she cannot abort a baby at all.

(I heard this on Rush, HE’S THE MAN!)


Is he still the man when he's dosed?

[Smash]

Is he still the man when he's dosed?

I thought a tree hugging hippie would at least know proper drug lingo. Dosed means someone took LSD, I really don't think taht applies.

So, how about abortion? I see you want to change teh subject. Typical.

[chickie]

Another very touchy subject. I am por-life. Creating a baby whether it is wanted or unwanted is an amazing expierence. The joy and delight that children bring into your life and home are the greatest gifts. So even if the baby was concieved unwillingly one sould look to the bright side and the miracle at what is be giving to them.

SOme argue this because of medical resons and the woman may die if she gives birth. I look at it this way. If you have a child and the child is about to get hit by a car you run to save the child and risk your own life. Even at birth you should do the same. What is the difference? I have given birth to 2 beautiful children and if I ever had to choose my life over their....I would give up my own. I have had my life now it is time for them to have theirs.

As I always tell my friends they are my biggest sacrifice but my greatest accomplishment.

[ckg68]

First off,this example sounds like it was lifted straight out of the recent storylines of "All My Children",which recently did an unabortion(a character who decades before had the first abortion noted on TV was recently found to have had the fetus yanked out of her by a doc and implanted into someone else. VERY unrealistic for the 1970s,and no less dumb now). Your argument sounds about as dumb as the storyline does. She's already given birth,so that alone renders the point moot.

Second,abortion will never truly be illegal...those who can pay for a safe one,will get it.

[Smash]

First off,this example sounds like it was lifted straight out of the recent storylines of "All My Children",which recently did an unabortion(a character who decades before had the first abortion noted on TV was recently found to have had the fetus yanked out of her by a doc and implanted into someone else. VERY unrealistic for the 1970s,and no less dumb now). Your argument sounds about as dumb as the storyline does. She's already given birth,so that alone renders the point moot.

Second,abortion will never truly be illegal...those who can pay for a safe one,will get it.

You've totally missed the point yet again ckg, if you can't kill a child who was concieved in rape, you should not be allowed to kill a baby conceived in rape.

[ckg68]

No,YOU missed it. The child that you mentioned in your example was one she never knew thanks to her drugging about until 3 years after the fact. One does not necessarily lead to the other. Plus,one other problem: The kid in the example is already born and can't be aborted.

And it's great that you can pontificate about abortion when men will,thanks to nature,NEVER have to worry about childbirth. Because if they could,you'd be singing quite a different tune. Plus,who gave you the right to unilaterally decide who gets abortions and who doesn't?

[Smash]

No,YOU missed it. The child that you mentioned in your example was one she never knew thanks to her drugging about until 3 years after the fact. One does not necessarily lead to the other. Plus,one other problem: The kid in the example is already born and can't be aborted.

And it's great that you can pontificate about abortion when men will,thanks to nature,NEVER have to worry about childbirth. Because if they could,you'd be singing quite a different tune. Plus,who gave you the right to unilaterally decide who gets abortions and who doesn't?

Clearly you are still confused. Whtehr a baby is born of not, it is still a human life. Her baby was a product of rape, whether she knew it or not. If she can't kill her baby when she finds out it was in fact a product of rape, she should never be allowed to kill it at all. A life is a life, and so i have proven that rape should not make it legal to perform a abortion.

[ckg68]

Good.

If you think it's a human life,are YOU prepared to take care of it? Or do you just love the fetus and say after the kid is born,"Should have kept your legs closed,:censor:" and support policies that don't help the kid get the best start possible.

You should know that not all religions follow this belief system. A majority of Jewish do not hold the belief that life begins at conception.

BTW,you still haven't answer my question...who gave you,a mere computer jockey on a bulletin board,the right to determine who gets abortions or not? And one more question: What if it was YOUR wife who was in that situation? YOUR daughter(if you have one)? A niece? Would your attitude be the same then when it hits closer to home?

[Smash]

BTW,you still haven't answer my question...who gave you,a mere computer jockey on a bulletin board,the right to determine who gets abortions or not? And one more question: What if it was YOUR wife who was in that situation? YOUR daughter(if you have one)? A niece? Would your attitude be the same then when it hits closer to home?

GOD gave me the right, remeber, that little commandment, "Thou Shall Not Kill"

[chickie]

Clearly you are still confused. Whtehr a baby is born of not, it is still a human life. Her baby was a product of rape, whether she knew it or not. If she can't kill her baby when she finds out it was in fact a product of rape, she should never be allowed to kill it at all. A life is a life, and so i have proven that rape should not make it legal to perform a abortion.

A life is a life, but I don't think that you shuld be out to "prove" whether or not just because one was raped they should not be allowed to have an abortion. I am pro-life, however what we should really be focusing on is the fact that many woman and girls use abortion as a means fo birth control. That is wrong.....

If you are going to use a story of rape, you should look up the story of a newscaster ( I can't remember her name) but her mother was raped and she had the baby anyway and she turned out to becoming a famous news reporter.....or something like that. I heard that a few years back at my catholic church.....that is a better argument. One shouldn't be forced but they should learn that it is not the childs fault no matter how they were brought into this world. They did not choose their parents, but all we can do is love them, and show them how to love.

[pigpen65]

GOD gave me the right, remeber, that little commandment, "Thou Shall Not Kill"



God is sitting at my dining room table right now smoking crack. He told me to tell you, he never said that. And he also asked where the bitches are at.

[JoeMama]

I am pro-life, however what we should really be focusing on is the fact that many woman and girls use abortion as a means fo birth control. That is wrong

Holy shit that would rule.

No condoms ever again.

[deconstruction]

GOD gave me the right, remeber, that little commandment, "Thou Shall Not Kill"

And the brick wall of hypocracy smashes right into Smash. :nono: that had to hurt!

[Smash]

And the brick wall of hypocracy smashes right into Smash. :nono: that had to hurt!

Too bad you can't answer my argument. Typical liberal tactic, jsut start bs'ing and he'll run away. HAHA, not this time. I'm right, your wrong. And I've proved it. So move along.

[ckg68]

You've proved absolutely NOTHING.

[Smash]

You've proved absolutely NOTHING.

And all you've proved is that your a liberal scum. "Oh, whose going to pay for my children>" How about a little personal responsibility? Is taht too much to ask for? I guess in liberal land it is, give me give me give me, bah. Talking to you isn;t even worth my time.

[ckg68]

And all you've proved is that your a liberal scum. "Oh, whose going to pay for my children>" How about a little personal responsibility? Is taht too much to ask for? I guess in liberal land it is, give me give me give me, bah. Talking to you isn;t even worth my time.

Insult artist strikes again!

Well,listen and listen well: I am single. I have no children. Nor,if I am lucky enough to find the woman of my dreams,do I WANT any.(Stepkids are OK,I'm referring to no kids for the two of us.) I'm in no financial position to be able to afford the cost of having a kid,or am emotionally ready to be able to raise one. I like to think I'm a good uncle to my niece and nephew,and that's fine for me.

Don't make me unleash my inner House. It's not fun. (Well,not for you. )

[Smash]

Insult artist strikes again!

Well,listen and listen well: I am single. I have no children. Nor,if I am lucky enough to find the woman of my dreams,do I WANT any.(Stepkids are OK,I'm referring to no kids for the two of us.) I'm in no financial position to be able to afford the cost of having a kid,or am emotionally ready to be able to raise one. I like to think I'm a good uncle to my niece and nephew,and that's fine for me.

Don't make me unleash my inner House. It's not fun. (Well,not for you. )


Oh I see, becuase your poor and emotionally unstable I should pay for you to kill children?

[ckg68]

Gee,and here I thought you were wasting your time replying to me....

Personally,I have no dog in the fight. It should be the mother's option as to whether to go ahead with a pregnancy or not,getting as much advice as she can. If she feels she can care for a kid(emotionally and financially),that's cool. If not....well,it's her decision.

[Smash]

Gee,and here I thought you were wasting your time replying to me....

Personally,I have no dog in the fight. It should be the mother's option as to whether to go ahead with a pregnancy or not,getting as much advice as she can. If she feels she can care for a kid(emotionally and financially),that's cool. If not....well,it's her decision.

Waht a copout, "it should be a woman's choice if she wants to murder a baby or not."

Sorry, that's just wrong.

[ckg68]

Call it whatever you want.

I really don't give a damn.

All I know is this: I can NEVER give birth,so I have no insight on what a woman goes through during a pregnancy. Neither can you,or any guy. All the pregnancy suits,etc. don't even come close.

[Smash]

Call it whatever you want.

I really don't give a damn.

All I know is this: I can NEVER give birth,so I have no insight on what a woman goes through during a pregnancy. Neither can you,or any guy. All the pregnancy suits,etc. don't even come close.

Great logic, "I've never, and I'll never launch ICBM's so it doesn't matter to me how many millions of Americans are killed by nuclear weapons." Taht changes things, doesn't it?

[ckg68]

:guy: Too much.

NOW we've devolved to ICBMs.

Well,it's now settled.

This thread blows and just got bombed out.

[Smash]

:guy: Too much.

NOW we've devolved to ICBMs.

Well,it's now settled.

This thread blows and just got bombed out.

Its not my fault you have a closed mind and are unable to evaluate otehr people's positions objectivly.

[Mouldsie]

idk, that's a pretty realistic scenario.... can anyone offer a rebuttle?

[ckg68]

It's not my fault you're.....(fill in the blank,lest I get tagged with TOS violations. Insert your own insult/crackback,etc.)

[ckg68]

idk, that's a pretty realistic scenario.... can anyone offer a rebuttle?

Realistic? Maybe.

But how often does it happen?

I'd guess not very often.

[Smash]

Realistic? Maybe.

But how often does it happen?

I'd guess not very often.

It doesn't have to be realistic. It has to prove a point. The point is that if you can't kill a child concieved in rape then you can't have an abortion becasue the baby is concieved in rape. No one has challenged me yet, NO ONE!

[ICRockets]

I didn't bother to read past the first post out of fear that my brain would melt. Smash, you're on crack.

[Smash]

I didn't bother to read past the first post out of fear that my brain would melt. Smash, you're on crack.

Yup, nothing to offer but mockery. Save it for your boyfriend, nancy.

[ckg68]

And great...more gay-bashing smack.

That makes 2 threads you've resorted to this crap.

[Smash]

And great...more gay-bashing smack.

That makes 2 threads you've resorted to this crap.

Maybe her names Nancy, did you ever think of that?

[ckg68]

WHO GIVES A :censor: WHAT THE NAME IS?

[nehemiah]

:rofl:

[ICRockets]

Yup, nothing to offer but mockery. Save it for your boyfriend, nancy.

He just broke up with me a week ago. You're such an ass.

[Smash]

He just broke up with me a week ago. You're such an ass.

So that's why your so prissy, huh? Well, theirs more fish in teh sea, or in your case more beef in teh pasture.

[deconstruction]

Too bad you can't answer my argument. Typical liberal tactic, jsut start bs'ing and he'll run away. HAHA, not this time. I'm right, your wrong. And I've proved it. So move along.

Yeah, it was one hell of an argument! I was just blown away by its sophistication, its erudite and elegant metaphysical points. Not to mention a citation of Rush Limbaugh, one of the foremost thinkers and thespians of our time.

This argument is a false comparison through and through.

[Smash]

This argument is a false comparison through and through.

Would you care to elaborate?

[bigr]

"If you can't abort a 3 year old, you can't have a normal abortion"

This is the worst logic ever, no wonder, you got it from that druggie Rush. Calling tree-hugging liberals drug addicts is just funny, your "MAN" has done more drugs I've ever thought of doing.

Comparing aborting a rape induced 3 year old to a rape-induced conception is just dumb. Of course the lady cant' kill the 3 year old, and there are clear differences between the 3 yr old and the fetus. BIRTH.

That being said, I'm not exactly pro-choice either, I just feel that's not the best argument for banning abortion.

[chickie]

"If you can't abort a 3 year old, you can't have a normal abortion"

This is the worst logic ever, no wonder, you got it from that druggie Rush. Calling tree-hugging liberals drug addicts is just funny, your "MAN" has done more drugs I've ever thought of doing.

Comparing aborting a rape induced 3 year old to a rape-induced conception is just dumb. Of course the lady cant' kill the 3 year old, and there are clear differences between the 3 yr old and the fetus. BIRTH.

That being said, I'm not exactly pro-choice either, I just feel that's not the best argument for banning abortion.

I agree that this was a very stupid argument or example to use with abortion.

You said that there is a clear difference between a 3 year old and a fetus. What is the difference?? A life is a life? No??

Just because the fetus is not born yet does not mean it not a life.

[Ru]

And I thought NWF started some stupid ****ing threads.

[TRIPLE P]

GOD gave me the right, remeber, that little commandment, "Thou Shall Not Kill"


You know God is a homosexual abortion doctor, right?

[TRIPLE P]

idk, that's a pretty realistic scenario.... can anyone offer a rebuttle?

OK..... what if the women who was raped by her Dr. had her fetus removed and implanted in her grandmother via the use of a time machine.....

After returning to the present time could she then, retroactively, peform an ultra-late 75 years in the making matrocidal abortion of justice on her mothers 75 birthday being that her OWN MOTHER is actually her fetus produced by the rape 75 years prior ?

I say yes...... not a court in the land could convict her.

[pigpen65]

You know God is a homosexual abortion doctor, right?



mis‧car‧riage; for 1 also Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mis-kar-ij;
–noun
1. the expulsion of a fetus before it is viable, esp. between the third and seventh months of pregnancy; spontaneous abortion. Compare abortion (def. 1).


"spontaneous" huh? Seems like the big Queen in the sky loves killing fetuses.

[chickie]

mis‧car‧riage; for 1 also Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mis-kar-ij;
–noun
1. the expulsion of a fetus before it is viable, esp. between the third and seventh months of pregnancy; spontaneous abortion. Compare abortion (def. 1).


"spontaneous" huh? Seems like the big Queen in the sky loves killing fetuses.

But to have an abortion one is making the conscience decision to end the life.

[pigpen65]

But to have an abortion one is making the conscience decision to end the life.

We all have our own boundaries and moralities. I just don't know if using God as the foundation for them makes sense in this case. God kills fetuses all the time.

[chickie]

We all have our own boundaries and moralities. I just don't know if using God as the foundation for them makes sense in this case. God kills fetuses all the time.

But is God really killing the fetus?? Most miscarriages happen because the womans body fights off the baby. The body rejects the baby.....so is that really God???

[Ru]

I can never understand why religious people hate death so much. If the whole purpose of life is to get into heaven when you die, then why is it bad when death happens? Selfishness? Just curious.

[deconstruction]

But to have an abortion one is making the conscience decision to end the life.

If a being is not conscious (with a standard definition of consciousness) than its death is clearly not murder. No one seems to have much of a problem killing animals, because they aren't conscious. Same for a fetus.

[chickie]

If a being is not conscious (with a standard definition of consciousness) than its death is clearly not murder. No one seems to have much of a problem killing animals, because they aren't conscious. Same for a fetus.

Sorry I was typing w/out thinking CONSCIOUS....my bad.....

You are talking to a person who doesn't eat meat. At least no red meat. However in defense of the meat eaters, animals were out here for humans to eat for survival. A fetus is a human life. As I have stated before whether one chooses to get pregnant or not is not the childs fault. A child is the most innocent of life as we speak. They do not ask to be concieved, they do not ask to be brought into this world, and they do not choose who their parents are. There are other options one may choose....adoption is one. There are so many good loving couples who cannot have children that can adopt the child and raise the child with the love and support he/she needs. No one is saying that you have to "keep" the baby after it is born. A person is taking matters into their own hands and deciding the fate of the child.

[Smash]

If a being is not conscious (with a standard definition of consciousness) than its death is clearly not murder. No one seems to have much of a problem killing animals, because they aren't conscious. Same for a fetus.

Good, so when someone kills you in your sleep they won't go to jail for murder. Next case.

[micknaboz]

Sorry I was typing w/out thinking CONSCIOUS....my bad.....

As I have stated before whether one chooses to get pregnant or not is not the childs fault. A child is the most innocent of life as we speak. They do not ask to be concieved, they do not ask to be brought into this world, and they do not choose who their parents are.

There are some schools of thought that believe in reincarnation that assert that one's soul does in fact choose the circumstances under which it will be born.
In case you didnt know.

[Smash]

There are some schools of thought that believe in reincarnation that assert that one's soul does in fact choose the circumstances under which it will be born.
In case you didnt know.

Noone ever said teh Hari Krishna's were teh brightest bulb's in teh draw. reincarnation, hahahahahaha. You only get one life before your soul is judged by your maker. Maybbe I'll start a thread on how to get to heavan.

[Mouldsie]

My god says killing fetuses is not only okay but required to show my committment to him!

[Smash]

My god says killing fetuses is not only okay but required to show my committment to him!

You went off your meds agian, didn't you?

[micknaboz]

Noone ever said teh Hari Krishna's were teh brightest bulb's in teh draw. reincarnation, hahahahahaha. You only get one life before your soul is judged by your maker. Maybbe I'll start a thread on how to get to heavan.

At least their bright enough to check their spelling :)

[ckg68]

You went off your meds agian, didn't you?

I need to be on meds to make heads or tails of what you post.

[ICRockets]

My god says killing fetuses is not only okay but required to show my committment to him!

My son, you misunderstood my decree.

You have to wait until the exact moment they are born. Only then may you reach supreme enlightenment.

[coastal]

I drove a girl to get an abortion once.

This fact is the only thing in my life that I am fearful and ashamed of having to face God with.

Aside from that I think God has a lot more explaining to do than I do.