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nehemiah
September 1st, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
:rofl:

The case of the two Fox News journalists, held hostage in Gaza, is worth dwelling upon. They were released after their captors had made tapes of them dressed as Arabs and announcing they had changed their names and converted to Islam.

Lately I have been looking at the large -- at how the West is proving unable to cope with a threat from a fanatical Islamic movement, that it ought to be able to snuff out with fair ease. (See my column last Sunday.) But the large is often most visible in the small.

The degree to which our starch is awash is exhibited in the behaviour of so many of our captives, but especially in these two. They were told to convert to Islam under implicit threat (blindfolded and hand-tied, they could not judge what threat), and agreed to make the propaganda broadcasts to guarantee their own safety. That much we can understand, as conventional cowardice. (Understand; not forgive.) But it is obvious from their later statements that they never thought twice; that they could see nothing wrong in serving the enemy, so long as it meant they'd be safe.

I assume they are not Christians (few journalists are), but had they ever been instructed in that faith, they might have grasped that conversion to Islam means denial of Christ, and that is something many millions of Christians (few of them intellectuals) have refused to do, even at the cost of excruciating deaths. Christianity still lives, because of such martyrs. Not suicide bombers: but truly defenceless martyrs.

You don't necessarily have to be a Christian, to be Western. Two years ago, an heroic Italian captive, Fabrizio Quattrocchi, asked to make whimpering statements as part of the video of his execution in Iraq, ripped at his hood and instead declared, "This is how an Italian dies!" to his contemptible captors. He must have upset them: for they shot him instead of sawing off his head. In making his stand for human dignity, he also turned one of their propaganda videos, into one of ours.

But Quattrocchi had three friends, who all successfully begged for their lives. And the two Fox journalists, whom I will not stoop to name, begged for their lives even though, in retrospect, their lives probably weren't in danger.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/doing_the_enemys_work.html

your life matters naught.

Gibby
September 1st, 2006, 11:37:55 AM
Smart thinking on their part. Gutless but smart. Plus if they didn't convert in their heart then they didn't convert. They may be gutless but their captors are brainless.

nehemiah
September 1st, 2006, 11:42:01 AM
gutless?

posted like a true tough guy. why don't you head on over there?

gutless? ****ing crazy talk. those reporters were most certainly NOT gutless.

rob on the job
September 1st, 2006, 11:46:46 AM
I hope, were I in similiar straits, that I would have the courage of Fabrizio Quattrocchi.

But I am not in position to judge the failings of other people.

pmoon6
September 1st, 2006, 11:48:39 AM
Smart thinking on their part. Gutless but smart. Plus if they didn't convert in their heart then they didn't convert. They may be gutless but their captors are brainless.What? What should they have done? Spit in their faces and said "I ain't takin' no shit from no towelhead". They did what they had to to stay alive.

Gibby
September 1st, 2006, 11:53:24 AM
What? What should they have done? Spit in their faces and said "I ain't takin' no shit from no towelhead". They did what they had to to stay alive.

sorry I didn't read the complete article. I recant. I thought the article was saying that they showed no brains or guts. Sorry.

35Pete
September 1st, 2006, 12:43:04 PM
This thread is stupid and pointless.

Lucidvizion
September 1st, 2006, 12:43:51 PM
Wow.

David Warren is a real piece of work. :rolleyes:

dasaybz
September 1st, 2006, 12:45:10 PM
What? What should they have done? Spit in their faces and said "I ain't takin' no shit from no towelhead". They did what they had to to stay alive.

You took the words right outta my mouth.

nehemiah
September 1st, 2006, 12:47:44 PM
This thread is stupid and pointless.thanks for posting in it.

:coocoo:

35Pete
September 1st, 2006, 12:53:25 PM
thanks for posting in it.

:coocoo:

Someone needed to say something intelligent. :)

SpikedLemonade
September 1st, 2006, 12:59:52 PM
gutless?

posted like a true tough guy. why don't you head on over there?

Please talk UpFart with you as well.

SpikedLemonade
September 1st, 2006, 1:00:40 PM
This thread is stupid and pointless.

Noon on a Friday and you are already into the sauce Pete.

You're my mentor/hero/role model.:bigasskiss:

nehemiah
September 1st, 2006, 1:05:19 PM
Someone needed to say something intelligent. :)you're the WRONG man for the job.

:D

SpikedLemonade
September 1st, 2006, 1:08:04 PM
you're the WRONG man for the job.

:D

Pete tries his best with what GOD gave him.

rob on the job
September 1st, 2006, 1:08:29 PM
Noon on a Friday and you are already into the sauce Pete.

You're my mentor/hero/role model.:bigasskiss:

In vino veritas, Spiked.

rob on the job
September 1st, 2006, 1:09:36 PM
Also:

Absentem laedit c-u-m ebrio qui litigat
[to quarrel with a drunk is to wrong a man who is not even there]

SpikedLemonade
September 1st, 2006, 1:10:21 PM
Hey, I for one, appreciate the Latin Rob.

Some what of a lost art.

sukie
September 1st, 2006, 3:50:45 PM
Also:

Absentem laedit c-u-m ebrio qui litigat
[to quarrel with a drunk is to wrong a man who is not even there]

I take offense to that!!!

Green Lantern
September 1st, 2006, 5:41:29 PM
I take offense to that!!!

No. You resemble that remark.