QB: Brady Quinn, Notre Dame

[admarc]

Brady Quinn
QB, Notre Dame
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/10/10/quinn_zoom.jpg
Senior
Height / Weight: 6’4 / 232

Stats (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2006&org=513&player=10)

Notes: Brady is widely rated as the top prospect for the 2007 draft. He has a strong accurate arm (65%comp) and has proven to be great under pressure. He really improved last year on the mental parts of the game, such as reading defenses and checking off plays. He also had a good TD to INT ratio, almost 5 to 1. He'll need to build on his solid 2005 season to prove he is more than a one year wonder.

Official Team Bio (http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/quinn_brady00.html)

Quinn's Career Passing Highs:
Completions - 33 (Michigan State, 2005)
Attempts - 60 (Michigan State, 2005)
Yards - 487 (Michigan State, 2005)
Touchdowns - 6 (BYU, 2005)
Completion Percentage - 80.5 (at Purdue, 2005)
Longest Completion - 85 (to Maurice Stovall at Purdue, 2003)
Interceptions - 4 (at Purdue, 2003)

School Records Held By Quinn:

SINGLE GAME:
Completions (33, vs. Michigan State, 2005 - record shared with Joe Theismann, 33, at USC, 1970)
Consecutive Completions (14 vs. Ohio State in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl - record shared with Ron Powlus, 14, vs. Michigan State, 1997)
Touchdown Passes (6 vs. BYU, 2005)
Passes without an interception (45 vs. Ohio State, 2006 Fiesta Bowl)

SINGLE SEASON:
Passing Attempts (450, 2005)
Attempts Per Game (37.5, 2005)
Passing Completions (292, 2005)
Completions Per Game (24.3, 2005)
Completion Percentage (64.9, 2005)
Pass Efficiency Rating (158.4, 2005)
Passing Yards (3919, 2005)
Passing Yards Per Game (326.6, 2005)
Touchdown Passes (32, 2005)
Passes without an interception, multiple games (130 - USC 2005 - Navy 2005)
Total Plays (520 in 2005)
Yards Gained (4,009 in 2005)
Yards Per Game (334.1 in 2005)
Points Responsible For (198 in 2005)
Points Responsible For, Per Game (16.5 in 2005)

CAREER:
Passing Attempts (1135 and counting, 2003-present)
Attempts Per Game (31.5, 2003-present)
Passing Completions (640 and counting, 2003-present)
Passing Yards (8336 and counting, 2003-present)
Passing Yards Per Game (231.6, 2003-present)
Touchdown Passes (58 and counting, 2003-present)
Total Plays (1307 and counting, 2003-present)
Yards Gained (8,447 and counting, 2003-present)
Yards Per Game (234.6, 2003-present)
Points Responsible For (372 and counting, 2003-present)
Points Responsible For, Per Game (10.3, 2003-present)

CAREER: A contender for college football's highest honors this season ... rated the number-one quarterback in college football for 2006 by The Sporting News and Lindy's ... a 2006 first-team preseason All-America selection by The Sporting News, Lindy's, Athlon, Street & Smith's and CBSSportsLine.com ... a preseason Maxwell Award candidate ... the most prolific passer in Notre Dame's storied history ... owns 30 Notre Dame records (nine career, nine single-season, four single-game and eight others) ... two-time Irish captain, joining Tom Zbikowski and Travis Thomas as Notre Dame's 2006 captains.

2005 (JUNIOR): Finished fourth in 2005 Heisman Trophy voting in record-breaking season in which he became Notre Dame's single-season and career leader in virtualy every passing category ... shared the 2005 Notre Dame MVP award with receiver Jeff Samardzija ... a third-team All-America by the Associated Press ... a finalist for the Davey O'Brien Award ... winner of the Sammy Baugh Award as the nation's top quarterback by the Columbus (Ohio) Touchdown Club ... became the Notre Dame career passing leader in several categories: attempts (1,135), completions (640), yards (8,336), yards per game (231.6 ypg) and TD passes (58) ... his 2005 season totals are the all-time Irish bests for attempts (450), completions (292), yards (3,919), yards per game (326.6 ypg), TD passes (32) and completion percentage (64.9%) ... threw a TD pass in 16 consecutive games through the Stanford game, breaking the old Notre Dame record of 10 set by Heisman Trophy winner John Huarte in 1964 ... the only quarterback in Notre Dame history to throw for 8,000 yards in a career and one of just two quarterbacks in Irish history to surpass 7,000 career passing yards ... one of two team captains (along with linebacker Brandon Hoyte) as determined by a vote of his teammates ... rated the nation's number-seven player in college football for the 2005 season by collegefootballnews.com ... completed 64.9 percent of his passes with a TD -to-interception ratio of 32 to seven ... completed 292 of 450 pass attempts for 3,919 yards and 32 TDs with seven interceptions for an efficiency rating of 158.4 ... rushed for 90 yards on 70 carries and a TD ... tied a Notre Dame bowl record for consecutive completions with 14 against Ohio State in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl ... finished the Fiesta Bowl completing 29 of 45 attempts for 286 yards without a TD or an interception (ending his streak of games with a TD pass at 16) ... set Irish bowl records for completions (29), attempts (45) and passing yards (286) against the Buckeyes ... the key player in a 38-31 comeback victory over Stanford, earning the Irish BCS eligibility by coolly directing a clutch 80-yard drive in the game's final 1:46 ... on the night, Quinn threw for 432 yards and three TDs while completing 25 of 38 passes with two interceptions, connecting on 16 of 19 second-half attempts ... with the Irish trailing, 31-30, and just 1:46 remaining in the game, Quinn led a clutch scoring drive by the Irish ... he was flawless on the march, completing all three pass attempts in the drive while ending the game with nine consecutive completions ... the 432 yards via the air tied for the fourth-most by an Irish quarterback in a single game (with his 432-yard effort vs. Purdue from 2004) ... completed 21 of 37 attempts for 270 yards and two TDs without an interception in a 34-10 win over Syracuse, the nation's sixth-best pass defense entering the game ... became the all-time Notre Dame leader in passing yards against the Orange, surpassing Ron Powlus on the Irish list ... passed for 284 yards and four TDs against Navy, completing 21 of 33 attempts with one interception ... passed for 295 yards and three TDs against Tennessee, completing 20 of 33 attempts without an interception ... the three TD passes matched the season total yielded by the Vols defense entering the game ... had a breakout performance versus BYU, throwing for a school-record six TDs while completing 32 of 41 attempts (78 percent) for 467 yards (second in Irish history) without an interception in a 49-23 victory ... completed 25 of 30 passes (83.3 percent) for 287 yards and three TDs in the first half versus the Cougars, completing 12 consecutive attempts at one point ... showed leadership, poise and maturity against USC, leading the Irish on a clutch 87-yard TD drive late in the game to give Notre Dame a 31-28 lead on his five-yard run with 2:40 left in the game ... completed 19 of 35 passes for 264 yards and one TD with one interception against the Trojans ... had the most accurate game of his Notre Dame career versus Purdue, completing 29 of 36 passes (80.5 percent) for 440 yards and three TDs with one interception ... completed 25 of 37 passes for 327 yards and a TD without throwing an interception in the win at Washington ... rushed four times for 29 yards (7.3-yard average) against the Huskies, including a key 13-yard run on a third-down play for a first down ... set career highs for yards, completions and attempts against Michigan State when he threw for a school-record five TDs while completing 33 of 60 for 487 yards with one interception ... led the Irish from a 21-point, third-quarter deficit to the Spartans to a tie at the end of regulation and a brief 41-38 lead before the Irish eventually fell, 44-41, in overtime ... completed 18 of 27 passes at Pittsburgh for 227 yards and two TDs, including a 51-yard scoring pass to Darius Walker ... led the Irish to TDs on five of their first six drives against the Panthers ... also ran for a career-high 49 yards on five carries against the Panthers ... was 19 of 30 passing at Michigan for 140 yards and two TDs ... had scoring tosses of five yards each to Rhema McKnight and Jeff Samardzija against the Wolverines ... logged 355:42 of playing time.

[JLB]

He's one kid that I would love to have with the Bills.
We would have get the first pick to be sure though.
So if we fall flat on our behinds we get him.

[njsue]

charlie weiss will have him primed.

Could he be the next bills starting QB??? :rolleyes:

[JLB]

I like this kid and I can see him hoisting the Lombardi Trophy.
He is a leader and has that never quit mentallity along with the heart and guts it takes to be a champion.

[njsue]

I like this kid and I can see him hoisting the Lombardi Trophy.
He is a leader and has that never quit mentallity along with the heart and guts it takes to be a champion.

A Marv Levy type QB. :)

[JLB]

Marv would be excited to say the very least this is a special kid.

[njsue]

Marv would be excited to say the very least this is a special kid.

Absolutely.

[Chewbacher]

If Losman doesn't come of age, get Quinn

[Merk]

Game1: vs Georgia Tech (W 14-10)


Attempts: 38
Comp: 23
Comp %: 60.5
Yards: 246
AVG: 10.7
LNG: 19
INT's: 0
TD's: 0


Rushing

Attempts: 7
Yards: 8
TD's: 1

[Merk]

-Real shaky first half
-Didnt look comfortable in the pocket
-Had trouble w/ accuracy for most of the game
-Turned it around in the second half
-Made some great throws in the second half

[JLB]

-Real shaky first half
-Didnt look comfortable in the pocket
-Had trouble w/ accuracy for most of the game
-Turned it around in the second half
-Made some great throws in the second half

Love the Mighty Quinn!!!!

[coastal]

Some quick thoughts...

- I loved his performance.

- Came out and got beat on in the season opener for the entire first half and then Weiss smartened up and started running the ball. Opened things up for him to make some plays in the second half.

- The drive @ the end of the first half was gutsy. Good stuff.

- He got the win on the road against a very good GT team.

- Whoever 41 was for GT was absolutely badass.

[beTough54]

Jesus, watching this offense go has Weis written all over it. It is eerily similar to the making of Tom Brady. Quinn is no good, and any success he has is directly because of Weis.

[Jayhawk]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo. don't you remember ESPN has proved it they are the greatest team, players, and everyeone involved is the golden child

[beTough54]

My favorite cockslobbering so far today was when Brady Quinn was sacked for a 6 yard loss when he went to the ground to pussy out of a big hit and the color guy said "Boy, he doesn't go down easy, does he?"

[JLB]

It's easy going down tougher to get back up though.

[JLB]

OK whats wrong with Quinn.

[beTough54]

I don't know that there is anything wrong with him, I'm sure with good coaching he can be good. However, without Weis he probably doesn't even get drafted and now he is looking like number one overall.

Even on that TD pass he nearly blew it, the WR had to twist and turn and change his route to get to where Quinn put the ball.

[JLB]

Recievers do that all the time.

The good ones do.

[JLB]

Well he looks good to me.

[Merk]

I don't know that there is anything wrong with him, I'm sure with good coaching he can be good. However, without Weis he probably doesn't even get drafted and now he is looking like number one overall.

Even on that TD pass he nearly blew it, the WR had to twist and turn and change his route to get to where Quinn put the ball.


So I take it you missed the 2 20+ yard receptions by the TE running a seem route


The first one was one of the most impressive passes I have ever seen. He was completey covered and Quinn threw a Perfect, and I stress Perfect, pass to him. That seem route is one of the most difficult passes to hit and he has done twice in this game so far.




I remember these threads about Brady to and he went out last year and had a good year w/out Weis. Weis puts QB's in a posistion to succeed but in the end the QB is the one that has to do it

[JLB]

So I take it you missed the 2 20+ yard receptions by the TE running a seem route


The first one was one of the most impressive passes I have ever seen. He was completey covered and Quinn threw a Perfect, and I stress Perfect, pass to him. That seem route is one of the most difficult passes to hit and he has done twice in this game so far.




I remember these threads about Brady to and he went out last year and had a good year w/out Weis. Weis puts QB's in a posistion to succeed but in the end the QB is the one that has to do it

Of course your right Great Post!!!

[TRIPLE P]

Quinns the shit,

[CoachC.]

I don't know that there is anything wrong with him, I'm sure with good coaching he can be good. However, without Weis he probably doesn't even get drafted and now he is looking like number one overall.

You're not making any sense here.

What you're basically saying is that Quinn is good because of effective coaching, so it shouldn't count. Huh?

If you're good you're good. Why the hell do coaches exist then?

All your complaint proves is that the kid listens to good coaching and gets better because of it. That's hardly the definition of "overrated."

[Merk]

Game 2: vs Penn State (W 41-17)


Attempts: 36
Comp: 25
Comp %: 69.4
Yards: 288
AVG: 8
LNG: 25
INT's: 0
TD's: 3


Rushing

Attempts: 8
Yards: 5
TD's: 0

[beTough54]

They said on the broadcast today that he was throwing at about 50% before Weis came and jumped up to 65%

Weis puts schemes in place where any moron can succeed. He did the same for Brady. The Brady difference was he was allowed to grow without pressure being such a low pick. Brady Quinn won't have that same luxury, and he won't have Weis holding his hand.

[Merk]

-Started off much better this week
-Overall played much better
-Had some poor throws and almost had 2 picks
-WR dropped some catchable balls
-Made a couple of ridicules throws to the TE running seem routes. Put it in the only spot were the TE could catch it
-Doesnt completey trust the OL yet but got better as the game went on

[Mainejays]

Coastal:
I know this is off topic, but that picture under your heading is the best I've seen on here. Any idea what her name is?

[BF_in_Indiana]

I love reading hogwash first thing in the morning.

I'll bet you Joe Pa is saying Quinns overrated this morning too.

LOL

GO IRISH!!!

[shiva2999]

Michigan just made him look like a punk ass bitch.

Any of you out there that are secretly hoping we'll win the Brady Quinn sweepstakes are crazy.

[TheAnswer74]

Well, he was playign Michican.

But yeah, so far this year Quinn looks like a big armed, strong, athletic QB with no poise.

Maybe he cant handle the hype.

Hopefully we dont need a QB for 10 years, because if we do, I feel we missed our chance this draft.

[admarc]

Game 3: vs Michigan (L 21-47)

Attempts: 48
Comp: 24
Comp %: 50.0%
Yards: 232
AVG: 4.8
LNG:
INT's: 3
TD's: 3


Rushing

Attempts: 4
Yards: -13
TD's: 0

[admarc]

Brady's golden rep took a huge hit against Michigan. He made some bad decisions and some awful throws against a solid Michigan defense.

[Jayhawk]

he's better than Holcomb

[GoSabres3]

that was a horrible game for quinn.

[TheAnswer74]

2 out of 3 games Quinn has looked rushed and hurried with everything he does. Weis needs to slow him down a bit. He throws every ball 100 mph, and he seems to be jittery while in the pocket.

[beTough54]

See my Brady Quinn is Overrated thread lower on the page. He is a product of Weis.

[JoetheDictator]

he's better than Holcomb

then again who isn't? :D

[Merk]

VS Mich

-Played pretty bad
-Was very indesiscive the whole day
-Had 3 picks, annoncers claimed the first one wasnt his fault but I disagree to an extent. He rifled it in there when he didnt need to be and it bounced off the TE into the defenders hands. Has lost the touch he had last year
-Fell back into the habit of looking downfiled to long when the check off man is open
-All in all even though its only week 3 Quinn has is no longer IMO the lock #1 pick that most have said he is. He has let the door open and really needs to step it up the rest of the way to close that door again

[TheAnswer74]

See my Brady Quinn is Overrated thread lower on the page. He is a product of Weis.

So was Tom Brady, until he wasnt.

But yeah Brady cant handle the hype. I thought he could, but he cant. Another reason why I felt Leinart was so good.

[Jayhawk]

then again who isn't? :D
Rob Johnson

[beTough54]

So was Tom Brady, until he wasnt.

But yeah Brady cant handle the hype. I thought he could, but he cant. Another reason why I felt Leinart was so good.

Yep, the hype is the issue with Quinn. Brady never had to deal with that sort of hype.

[TheAnswer74]

Yep, the hype is the issue with Quinn. Brady never had to deal with that sort of hype.

He did somewhat. When he was a Freshman starter, he was getting hyped up. Look what happened.

No Hype, great season.

Hype again, struggling.

[NorthwesternFan]

Brady Quinn sucks?

Try watching a Northwestern game if you want to see bad QB play.

[JoetheDictator]

Brady Quinn sucks?

Try watching a Northwestern game if you want to see bad QB play.

way to stick by your team.

[NorthwesternFan]

way to stick by your team.

Im a realist..

I will always love the cats, but they suck this year...

[emo]

i have been saying he si the most overrated player in college football vbefore the season started, and he is proving me right

the guy was mediocre his first two years, and then has a great year and is now a guy who looks like he can't handle getting pressured at all

[JoetheDictator]

Im a realist..

I will always love the cats, but they suck this year...

Be honest they suck almost every year.

[emo]

without reading any of the previous posts, here are soem things I've noticed in three games

1. quinn loses all accuracy when he's on the move. He's athletic enough for the nfl but he wont' be beating linebackers or de's to the edge, but not many qb's can

2. he has a huge arm and when give time can really make soem great throws

3. when rushed up the middle or pressure is put on him he doesn't seem to have agreat deal of poise and makes soem pretty bad reads. the throw into triple coverage agaisnt michigan for example.

4. he is not the best qb in this class, though he will grade out very high. He will go to a crap ass team and will really struggle his first year, how he bounces back is really dependent on how his confidence is. I think he's a little fragile in the head.

5. His numbers under weis are impressive but his numbers otherwise are very unimpressive. He could be the next carson palmer or kyle boller. Before any nd homers want to talk abotu willinghams' offense, it was a pro style offense that a good qb should be able to run with better success than what quinn had.

[Merk]

Game 4: vs Mich State (W 40-37)


Attempts: 37
Comp: 20
Comp %: 54.1
Yards: 319
AVG: 8.6
INT's: 1
TD's: 5


Rushing

Attempts: 6
Yards: -2
TD's:

[Merk]

Vs Mich State


-Bad first half, great 2nd half
-Looked like a completey different QB in the 2nd half of this game than he had all year
-He had good pocket presense
-As stated before he has a big time arm, even off his back foot he can launch it
-Needs to be more consistant
-Hes still the first QB off the board in 2007 and a lock 1st rounder but is still by no means the lock #1 pick. To regain that status he will bassically have to run the table and have a good game against USC which will be no easy task

[Merk]

Game 5: vs Purdue (W 35-21)

Attempts: 38
Comp: 29
Comp %: 76.3
Yards: 316
AVG: 8.3
LNG: 29
INT's: 0
TD's: 2

[coastal]

**** him.

If the Bills draft this stiff I will renounce my citizenship in Bills' nation.

Any team that drafts Brady with the expectations of him becoming a franchise quarterback better get used to having a top ten pick.

He sucks.

[hebert19]

I wasnt a fan for most of his career in ND...but hes a guy like Leinhart that is very polished and could start very early. and hes got more talent than Leinhart...

[pilsnertobills]

I hate Norte Dame, yeah i know they got Charlie Weis, just never liked them. Brady Quinn is a good looking QB...

[emo]

brady quinn is almost as overrated as charlie weis

call em when he wins a big game

[emo]

couldn't agree more

[BillsCAfan]

hahahaha

are you kidding?

QUINN SUCKS. If any team takes him #1 overall, they are by default retarded.

WEIS and QUINN have never even beaten a top 10 team in college. Thats exactly the QB we want........one who can't win big games.

Best QB in this Draft will be Troy Smith.

He will go on to have the best career than Quinn, Stanton and Brohm.

[mark3274]

but who will be cheaper you know ralph goes cheap... sad but true......

[coastal]

utterly gutless performance by Brady Quinn today against USC.

The guy reeks of being a loser.

[emo]

brady quinn wins another big game

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Yeah, I've fallen off his bandwagon. Just stick with Losman and if he sucks next year, it's John David Booty's world and we're just livin' in it.

[mighty peace warrior]

anyone who thought Notre Dame was going to win tonight was deluding themselves. USC is much better on D than people think

[Carl J. Ironsides]

anyone who thought Notre Dame was going to win tonight was deluding themselves. USC is much better on D than people think

Agreed. I expected a blowout and sure enough, there it was. SC will beat OSU in the BCS title game as well.

[Callaway]

Agreed. I expected a blowout and sure enough, there it was. SC will beat OSU in the BCS title game as well.



Yes they will

[emo]

ok lets not get ahead of ourselves here folks

osu has already beaten the number 2 team in teh country twice, and john david booty tore up an awful defense.

and while usc has two solid cover corners, where are the 3rd, 4th, 5th corners that have to go against hartline, robiskie, and hall?

and lets not confuse quinn with smith

and coach tressel beats good teams, he is wildly underrated byt eh average college football fan

[Callaway]

brady quinn is almost as overrated as charlie weis

call em when he wins a big game



I dont think Weis is overated at all

That ND team he has should be a 4-5 loss team. He has them at 2 loses. There not losing b/c they are being out coached they are losing b/c they are being out talented. They don’t have the talent or the athletes to keep up with bigger teams who enjoy top 10 recruit classes year in and year out such as Mich, OSU, USC, and so on. ND needs time to build a talent base much like USC did when Pete Carroll took over and nobody thought that USC could be returned to there glory days. From what I'm reading Weis and ND are already starting to suck up players that would have gone to OSU Mich and USC. They keep racking up back to back to back top 5 recruiting classes then that starts leveling talent playing field a bit and ND is going to be a tough team to deal with. They already remind me a lot of USC in the early P.Carroll days minus the hype ND is getting

[emo]

right, weis says he has 4 first rounders on offense and 2 on defense, and you're right going for it and getting stoned over and over on 4th down is great coaching

[Callaway]

ok lets not get ahead of ourselves here folks

osu has already beaten the number 2 team in teh country twice, and john david booty tore up an awful defense.

and while usc has two solid cover corners, where are the 3rd, 4th, 5th corners that have to go against hartline, robiskie, and hall?

and lets not confuse quinn with smith

and coach tressel beats good teams, he is wildly underrated byt eh average college football fan



USC plays in a conference where passing is dominant. They have plenty of athletic corners and a pair of S's that make a lot of WR think twice about going over the middle. Stopping the OSU passing game isnt what USC will be worried about, the ground game is what will worry them more

[emo]

USC plays in a conference where passing is dominant. They have plenty of athletic corners and a pair of S's that make a lot of WR think twice about going over the middle. Stopping the OSU passing game isnt what USC will be worried about, the ground game is what will worry them more

clearly with all those good corners they were able to hold quinn to under 300 yards and only two tds.


and think about this, osu's receivers>nd's receivers


osu might have the best group of receivers in the country

eitehr way I'm not overly worried, osu just gets it done

[Callaway]

right, weis says he has 4 first rounders on offense and 2 on defense, and you're right going for it and getting stoned over and over on 4th down is great coaching



Just b/c he says it doesnt make it true

He has 1 on offense and none on defense

Carroll is the same way on 4th downs between the 27 and 37. To long for a FG to short for a punt. The difference is USC has the talent to convert them

[emo]

actually this year he'll have 2, mcknight is a second or third rounder, and harris is highly regarded at tackle, and if walker comes out next year that could be 4 as he could be a 1st round pick

[emo]

going further, a great coach means more in college than in the pros. spurrier won titles zook got fired, urban meyer took utah and they beat pitt in a bcs bowl. WVU beat georgia last year.

cooper had soem incredibly talented osu squads and did nothing with them

lloyd carr has a great michigan team, almost undefeated, he's lost to osu 5 out of 6 times since tressel came there.

coaches make a huge difference

[Callaway]

actually this year he'll have 2, mcknight is a second or third rounder, and harris is highly regarded at tackle, and if walker comes out next year that could be 4 as he could be a 1st round pick



1st day or 1st round?


Outside of Quinn there is no one worth a first rounder on that team. Maybe the WR Jeff S but he is boarderline.

Either way compared to USC, OSU, Florida, and Mich they dont have nearly the talent level.

[Callaway]

going further, a great coach means more in college than in the pros. spurrier won titles zook got fired, urban meyer took utah and they beat pitt in a bcs bowl. WVU beat georgia last year.

cooper had soem incredibly talented osu squads and did nothing with them

lloyd carr has a great michigan team, almost undefeated, he's lost to osu 5 out of 6 times since tressel came there.

coaches make a huge difference



Thats my point, if Weis is already getting more out of a team with less talent then why isnt he a good coach? Add more talent to what he is doing now and ND will become a top team again. All I'm saying is ND reminds me very much of what happend at USC when Carroll took over

[BillsRGreat]

delete

[BillsRGreat]

I hate Norte Dame, yeah i know they got Charlie Weis, just never liked them. Brady Quinn is a good looking QB...

I don't like to base qb's on looks alone.. sorry

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Go ahead and write off USC; I'm sure Pete Carroll would enjoy being the underdog for once.

[emo]

if I read the bcs standings correctly, it looks like pete carroll will be playing in the rose bowl

[emo]

Thats my point, if Weis is already getting more out of a team with less talent then why isnt he a good coach? Add more talent to what he is doing now and ND will become a top team again. All I'm saying is ND reminds me very much of what happend at USC when Carroll took over

if you just look at the record and rankings then yes charlie weis has done an excellent job. but lets look at the record of the teams they played. they beat 1 team with a winning record last year. and beat some pretty awful squads this year. 4 of the 10 wins came again army, navy, air force, north carolina who scored 26 at ND which was the most nc scored against a D1 opponent all year.


he beats bad teams, the best win in his short carreer is over ga tech, hardly something you'd want to put on your resume.

until he beats a good team one in the top 20 I'm going to stick by what I say and say he is vastly ovverrated for the press he gets. he may be a good coach but he's being treated as the second coming of bear bryant

[CoachC.]

if I read the bcs standings correctly, it looks like pete carroll will be playing in the rose bowl


They have to take care of UCLA first....which they should, but you never know - it's a big rivalry game and UCLA isn't that bad.

And those BCS standings were only "projections." They won't be officially released until this afternoon.

[emo]

They have to take care of UCLA first....which they should, but you never know - it's a big rivalry game and UCLA isn't that bad.

And those BCS standings were only "projections." They won't be officially released until this afternoon.

ahhh I was wondering because no one had changed a spot in the bcs rankings nor had the numbers changed

[petep1980]

Quinn has all the tools. Cannon, excellant mobility and pocket presense. He moved way up the boards last night. Too bad his WRs (ahem Rhema McKnight) blow.

[CBennett]

I wasnt a fan for most of his career in ND...but hes a guy like Leinhart that is very polished and could start very early. and hes got more talent than Leinhart...


yeah when he has faced stiff competition he has come up big...I mean look how great he played last night VS USC!

[treydawg]

Weis stinks, he still hasn't won a big game.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

If Michigan gets in the BCS title game over USC, it's a complete joke, and the BCS should be ended immediately.

[mighty peace warrior]

the BCS is a joke regardless.

i dont think USC can beat Ohio State.

[CoachC.]

......i dont think USC can beat Ohio State.

I didn't either until I watched USC play ND.

They are finally healthy and their talent really showed.

It will be interesting. But UCLA is a trap for them right now and they better be careful.

[emo]

why do people say its a trap do you think usc doesn't realize that they need to beat ucla to get their title shot, and its an instate rival usc and ucla will both be pumped

[Mouldsie]

Notre Dame doesnt have much talent but Brady Quinn looked good to me last night.

I think Weiss will get that program going but he needs better recruits, right now he's using Willingham's guys.

[CoachC.]

why do people say its a trap do you think usc doesn't realize that they need to beat ucla to get their title shot, and its an instate rival usc and ucla will both be pumped

It's a trap because they know they're better than UCLA, they have everyone in the world telling them to make their reservations for Glendale, and they probably don't realize that UCLA is actually a pretty good football team that will be ready to play and shock the country.

[emo]

I dont' ever buy that, in state rivalry games are not overlooked, though weird shit happens in those games, its going to be close, and while ucla has a pretty solid defense, they are not eh same team they were last year

[TRIPLE P]

Brady Quinn is the least of the Irish problems.,.....

Weis, zbikowski and the rest of the D, and the OL. Those are the problems.

[matthew94]

Brady Quinn played fine. The game would have been about tied at halftime if it weren't for dropped passes. I think he'll be a good NFL quarterback.

[mighty peace warrior]

I didn't either until I watched USC play ND.

They are finally healthy and their talent really showed.

It will be interesting. But UCLA is a trap for them right now and they better be careful.

well USC has gotten better as the season progresses but OSU looks much better to me right now. ND is not a good litmus test in my opinion.

[mark3274]

anyone who thought Notre Dame was going to win tonight was deluding themselves. USC is much better on D than people think

USC is a excellent football team They do not count on one player to win games and the coach well IMHO he's a great coach...... makes a ton of difference

[mark3274]

the BCS is a joke regardless.

i dont think USC can beat Ohio State.

I do would be a great game

[mighty peace warrior]

USC is a excellent football team They do not count on one player to win games and the coach well IMHO he's a great coach...... makes a ton of difference

i have never implied USC isnt excellent. I have been trying to convince people they are a great program for years on here. I have watched tons of USC since they are usually on TV here.

Jim Tressel is a great coach...so i dont think Carroll will make a difference against OSU. Players make plays, if coaching made that much difference USC would have beat Texas last year.

[TRIPLE P]

Jim Tressel is a great coach...so i dont think Carroll will make a difference against OSU. Players make plays, if coaching made that much difference USC would have beat Texas last year.

Truth. Pete Carroll is a much better coach than MAck Brown.

[admarc]

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