Why did the Vikings get rid of Daunte Culpepper?

[HURLS]

I say money, and looking to go in another direction, i.e. away from the Love Boat. I heard from someone that 1) Joey Harrington is a better QB than Culpepper, and should start in Miami, and 2) it was cuz Brad Johnson was a better QB.

[24Impala]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2359699

[sukie]

So team politics and perseption was the reason for the trade... He was swift boated outta town.

[freedomfrypizza]

Brad Johnson IS a better QB than Culpepper. Johnson's record with the team speaks for itself. Culpepper may start out hot this year, but by midseason he will be back to his old fumbling and injured self.

[FinNasty]

Brad Johnson IS a better QB than Culpepper. Johnson's record with the team speaks for itself. Culpepper may start out hot this year, but by midseason he will be back to his old fumbling and injured self.

:guy: :guy: :guy: :guy:

[sukie]

I like how fin is laughing when Harrington is blowing Daunte away.

[njsue]

Brad Johnson IS a better QB than Culpepper. Johnson's record with the team speaks for itself. Culpepper may start out hot this year, but by midseason he will be back to his old fumbling and injured self.

:clapper: Beautifully said.

[twosheds]

Brad Johnson IS a better QB than Culpepper. Johnson's record with the team speaks for itself. Culpepper may start out hot this year, but by midseason he will be back to his old fumbling and injured self.

He's not. Johnson had a different line in front of him, which worked better (I think Fowler stepped in). There are some things he can do better, and he's a good fit for the new West Coast Offense.

[Sparx]

I like how fin is laughing when Harrington is blowing Daunte away.

He is? news to me. Didn't you say culpepp wouldn't step on the field until at least october?

[HURLS]

Pretty sad freedom's got one supporter, who supposedly quit here. Daunte will prob throw bombs around the Bills and eat Clements for a snack. Meanwhile Joey H will be scrubbing the bench again.

[Victor7]

Pepp sucks and so does Joey. Picks will be up for grabs with the Dolphins.

[FinNasty]

I like how fin is laughing when Harrington is blowing Daunte away.

Explain to me how so? Ya, Harrington has done well... and I am honestly suprised(and excited to know our backup is very capeable if needed). However, in the limited playing time Pepper has had compared to Joey, Pep has still looked good. 7 for 9 for 86 yards last game vs. Tampa's defense and led his team for a touchdown. And more importantly than his stats, he has looked healthy and mobile. He took a couple of hits in the game, and bounced right back up fine. On top of that, if it wasnt for Bennie freakin Anderson, he would have done even better.

[FinNasty]

Pepp sucks and so does Joey. Picks will be up for grabs with the Dolphins.


:roseglasses: :rolleyes2

[beTough54]

Culpepper coming to the AFC East is the best thing that could have happened... for the Patriots, Jets, and Bills.

[FinNasty]

Culpepper coming to the AFC East is the best thing that could have happened... for the Patriots, Jets, and Bills.

The best thing that could have ever happened? Homers are hilarious! :roseglasses: :guy:

Even if you dont think Culpepper is an elite QB... no matter how you look at it, he is still a BIG improvement over Gus Ferotte... period. And an improved Miami team is not good for the Patriots, Jets, and Bills.

[beTough54]

I don't think he is an overall improvment. He will be more exciting, but he is much more apt to make stupid mistakes than Frerotte was.

[FinNasty]

I don't think he is an overall improvment. He will be more exciting, but he is much more apt to make stupid mistakes than Frerotte was.

You are crazy then. Gus was pretty bad. You are seriously underestimating Culpepper...

[beTough54]

Culpepper has more talent for sure, but he makes absoultely horrendous decisions and can't hold on to the ball when he is sacked, which will be frequently behind that porous O-line. With a safety on McMichael and Chambers double teamed, where is the ball going?

[FinNasty]

Culpepper has more talent for sure, but he makes absoultely horrendous decisions and can't hold on to the ball when he is sacked, which will be frequently behind that porous O-line. With a safety on McMichael and Chambers double teamed, where is the ball going?

Porous o-line? I guess you havent followed the Fins in a while. Last year, they were 4th in the league in YPC and 7th in the league in sacks allowed. They are very solid, not dominating, but definatly solid.

And we have this guy named Ronnie Brown who you can throw to. He is an excellent receiver and gets lined up wide. Not to mention, teams wont be able to focus on the pass so much with Ronnie pounding the rock. Oh, and Booker is a very solid #2...

[beTough54]

Booker is a great #4 but will never ever draw more than single coverage. He is not a serious threat.

Ronnie Brown is the X factor, but he isn't know for his pass-catching ability and it will be interesting to see if he can handle the entire load for the first time in his college and professional career.

[Sparx]

We're used to the QB turning the ball over once or twice a game. with fiedlers picks, grieses fumbles, feeleys both, ray lucas's god awfulness. frerotte was the best at not turning it over, but he still had 13 ints and we had 16 total. what we're not used to(past 8 years) is a QB that can get you TD passes per game as consistently as Culpepper has shown he can in his career.

[Bpaup95]

Is he going to start in the opener?

He's an upgrade for sure but his mistakes can be just enough to lose a game.

[FinNasty]

Booker is a great #4 but will never ever draw more than single coverage. He is not a serious threat.

Ronnie Brown is the X factor, but he isn't know for his pass-catching ability and it will be interesting to see if he can handle the entire load for the first time in his college and professional career.

:guy:

OK... thank you for making me aware that you have no idea what you are talking about. From this statement I can tell that football conversation with you is pointless.

He is almost known more for his receiving skills than his running skills. His pass-catching ability is one of the main reasons he went so high in the draft. John Gruden even said he felt Ronnie had the best hands in the entire draft, including the WRs. They guy runs great routes and has hands of glue.

And about Booker... I never called him a serious threat or a WR that would draw double teams, but if a defense is focused in on Chambers like your example stated with a double team, and has a safety on McMike, and is focusing on stopping Brown... Booker can easily make a play. He is a solid #2, and all the weapons we have on offense prevent defenses from ever putting more than 1 defender on Booker... which he can do just fine against. He isnt the Pro Bowler he once was, but he is still above average...

[Sparx]

He looked good against carolina's first string D. 14/19 130 yards. 2 for 11 yards rushing. flag took away a beautiful TD pass to chambers. Panthers stuffed us at the goal line on 4th down. run blocking looked terrible, but Culpepper was sharp.

[MiamiMasterpiece]

He looked very good. Im excited to see what he does against the Steelers opening night.

[mighty peace warrior]

Culpepper is a very good QB, Minny didnt think he would come back from injury and didnt want to risk the injury. You guys are deluding yourselves. Just look at his stats from the year before last. You cant use the Moss excuse since Moss hasnt done much since he left, unfortunatly for me he killed my fantasy team last year..

[jaymitch84]

If the Bills had Culpepper, this argument would be totally flopped, with the Fins fans saying we're in trouble with Culpepper and the Bills fans laughing in return.

[FinNasty]

If the Bills had Culpepper, this argument would be totally flopped, with the Fins fans saying we're in trouble with Culpepper and the Bills fans laughing in return.

Very, very true... although not from me... Pep has always been one of my favorite players... representing UCF! :cool2:

[DolphinDevil28]

If the Bills had Culpepper, this argument would be totally flopped, with the Fins fans saying we're in trouble with Culpepper and the Bills fans laughing in return.


Absolutely not.

At least not from me. I'd be scared crapless if the Bills had Daunte. His great deep ball with Lee Evan's speed??? Wow.

[MiamiMasterpiece]

The best thing that could have ever happened? Homers are hilarious! :roseglasses: :guy:

Even if you dont think Culpepper is an elite QB... no matter how you look at it, he is still a BIG improvement over Gus Ferotte... period. And an improved Miami team is not good for the Patriots, Jets, and Bills.

Well said on all counts.

[FinNasty]

Absolutely not.

At least not from me. I'd be scared crapless if the Bills had Daunte. His great deep ball with Lee Evan's speed??? Wow.

Agreed... if only Evans had a QB...

[BuffaloSoldier2]

We're used to the QB turning the ball over once or twice a game. with fiedlers picks, grieses fumbles, feeleys both, ray lucas's god awfulness. frerotte was the best at not turning it over, but he still had 13 ints and we had 16 total. what we're not used to(past 8 years) is a QB that can get you TD passes per game as consistently as Culpepper has shown he can in his career.

Jay Fiedler (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game

Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost

86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Advantage Fiedler. :bigasskiss:

Anyone who says Culpepper wasn't a really good QB is nuts. However, the facts are in his one season without the biggest threat maybe in the history of the game, he was horrible. 6 tds to 12 ints and 3 fumbles and he was killing the Vikings. Add to that the fact, he had a serious knee injury that could affect one of the biggest strengths of his game, there definitely are a lot of questions surrounding him. I guess time will tell.

[BuffaloSoldier2]

Porous o-line? I guess you havent followed the Fins in a while. Last year, they were 4th in the league in YPC and 7th in the league in sacks allowed. They are very solid, not dominating, but definatly solid.

And we have this guy named Ronnie Brown who you can throw to. He is an excellent receiver and gets lined up wide. Not to mention, teams wont be able to focus on the pass so much with Ronnie pounding the rock. Oh, and Booker is a very solid #2...

I give a lot of credit to your line coach. On paper, your line looked very suspect. However while Culpepper is about a million times more talented than Frerotte, Frerotte takes care of the ball much better than C-pep. Using my stat I used in a previous post: Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58fumbles, 17 fumbles lost

79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared to C-pep's 1.5 tos/ game

Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game. A smart QB can make a offensive line look a lot better than they are. Also by adding our worse lineman on an awful line (Bennie Anderson) and a LT who has played for 3 teams in 3 years and wasn't wanted by Arizona and Cleveland (LJ Shelton), do you think your line will be as good? Again, time will tell but these are some very impressive stats if I do say so myself. God, I'm good. :bigasskiss:

[Sparx]

Jay Fiedler (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game

Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost

86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Advantage Fiedler. :bigasskiss:

Anyone who says Culpepper wasn't a really good QB is nuts. However, the facts are in his one season without the biggest threat maybe in the history of the game, he was horrible. 6 tds to 12 ints and 3 fumbles and he was killing the Vikings. Add to that the fact, he had a serious knee injury that could affect one of the biggest strengths of his game, there definitely are a lot of questions surrounding him. I guess time will tell.

There are plenty of posts to point out what culpepper has done without moss(in culpepps favor) so im not gonna get into that.

As for your stats...you pointed out the turnover per game ratio, but didn't mention the TD per game ratio. (hmm)

fiedler TD/game ratio (pass+run): 1.05 TD's per game

Culpeppers TD/game ratio: 2.02 TD's per game

So....whats your point?

[shulafan]

Culpepper's history of fumbling the ball has been my biggest concern with the guy. However, in most instances it's a correctable problem. Most of the time a fumble results from not concentrating on taking care of the ball. Also, alot of Culpepper's fumbles occurred when he ran with the ball. I've got to believe that Saban was fully aware of the problem and believed he could fix it.
So far (yeah I know...preseason) as a Fin Culpepper has thrown 30x and connected on 22 of them. No INTs; but no TDs, either.
Someone mentioned Booker as being only good enough to be a 4th WR option.
I think you'd find that his numbers are in line with MOST 2nd options. I don't mean Reggie Wayne type numbers.

[FinNasty]

I give a lot of credit to your line coach. On paper, your line looked very suspect. However while Culpepper is about a million times more talented than Frerotte, Frerotte takes care of the ball much better than C-pep. Using my stat I used in a previous post: Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58fumbles, 17 fumbles lost

79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared to C-pep's 1.5 tos/ game

Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game. A smart QB can make a offensive line look a lot better than they are. Also by adding our worse lineman on an awful line (Bennie Anderson) and a LT who has played for 3 teams in 3 years and wasn't wanted by Arizona and Cleveland (LJ Shelton), do you think your line will be as good? Again, time will tell but these are some very impressive stats if I do say so myself. God, I'm good. :bigasskiss:

LOL... nice job with the stats :D

and I dont argue that Pep turns the ball over a little more than a vet like Gus... however, the big plays he makes are more than worth it. I mean, look at the passing comparisons per game. While Pep does turn the ball over a little more, he more than makes up for it in production.

And also, with the sack thing... alot of both of their sacks came early in their careers. The longer they are in the league, the more expeirenced they get and the less sacks they take. So as they play, the more games they compile with less sacks, improving their average. You seem good with stats, so what was Gus's sack average was when he was at around 80 something starts? Because, with Gus in the league much longer, and having 40+ more starts certainly gives him a large advantage over a younger QB.

[rufc05]

Absolutely not.

At least not from me. I'd be scared crapless if the Bills had Daunte. His great deep ball with Lee Evan's speed??? Wow.

Losman has a great deep ball too...be scared. Losman just doesn't have the rest of daunte's game..yet

[rufc05]

There are plenty of posts to point out what culpepper has done without moss(in culpepps favor) so im not gonna get into that.

As for your stats...you pointed out the turnover per game ratio, but didn't mention the TD per game ratio. (hmm)

fiedler TD/game ratio (pass+run): 1.05 TD's per game

Culpeppers TD/game ratio: 2.02 TD's per game

So....whats your point?

So culpepper has double the turnovers and double the td's. His point is that its not all gravy with culpepper, you will take more sacks and turn the ball over more. I would be VERY interested to see how many of those td's went to randy moss. While pepper might be good without moss, moss UNQUESTIONABLY affects his TD count

[Sparx]

So culpepper has double the turnovers and double the td's. His point is that its not all gravy with culpepper, you will take more sacks and turn the ball over more. I would be VERY interested to see how many of those td's went to randy moss. While pepper might be good without moss, moss UNQUESTIONABLY affects his TD count

no, double the td's, .4 more turnovers. i'll take that all day. my point all along is that miami is used to the turnover part that culpepper brings. we had that already without him. 1.5 TO's a game compared to 1.4 is negligible compared to double the TD's. sure moss was a great asset, but chambers is no slouch. throw in mcmichael and brown, and culpepper has the best options in his career to throw to.

[beTough54]

I love it when I am right.

[ckg68]

:guy: :guy: :guy: :guy:

Well,who's laughing now?

Culpepper was lying down on the Dolphin Stadium turf so much,you'd have thought he was in a bedding store trying out mattresses instead of getting his ass blasted into the turf 7 times. And throwing 1 pick,too...I don't think that'll get you a win.

[nehemiah]

:rofl: at culpepper.

bwaahahahahhahahahahahaaaa

*******s.

[Buffalo1]

I think we now know why Minnesota let DC go.