Is Hugo Chavez targeting Colombia?

[NorthwesternFan]

I think he is, and I would watch out if I was him. I think Colombia can defeat Venezuela in a war.

[NorthwesternFan]

bump.

[Green Lantern]

I think he is, and I would watch out if I was him. I think Colombia can defeat Venezuela in a war.

Venezuela has never gone to war.

Nice distinction amongst the nations of the world, huh?

[NorthwesternFan]

Venezuela has never gone to war.

Nice distinction amongst the nations of the world, huh?

Yes, but don't you think that will change with Chavez in control?

[Green Lantern]

Yes, but don't you think that will change with Chavez in control?

Not really. I do not know of what you speak though. I will have to go and read something on his threats to Colombia.

He is a socialist, that does not make him a conqueror. I can't imagine what he would want to invade that country for unless it is for the imagined united states of south america they have been squabbling about since they liberated themselves from the Spanish and began carving up the continent.

[Dontdieman]

Venezuela has never gone to war.

Nice distinction amongst the nations of the world, huh?

they did V.S. the brits in the 80's

But NWF this thread hs no substance.

I hate your feeble attempt to get chips.

If you could tell me a reason why you think he would go to war with them maybe I would think different.

[Green Lantern]

they did V.S. the brits in the 80's

But NWF this thread hs no substance.

I hate your feeble attempt to get chips.

If you could tell me a reason why you think he would go to war with them maybe I would think different.

what is V.S. ?

[Dontdieman]

what is V.S. ?

V.S. = Verses

and It was over the Faulken Islands.

and The U.K. won.

[Green Lantern]

V.S. = Verses

and It was over the Faulken Islands.

and The U.K. won.

I thought you were thinking that. That was Argentina. Venezuela is the country up top of the continent, near Colombia and Panama.

[Green Lantern]

2005
The Threat of Hope in Latin America
by Naomi Klein


...Facing mass protests in Argentina yesterday during the Summit of the Americas, George W. Bush saw first hand that the spirit of that revolt is alive and well. And although President Bush didn’t take Hugo Chavez up on his offer to hold an open debate on the merits of “free trade,” the truth is that the debate has already happened on the continent’s streets and at its ballot boxes and Bush has lost. Consider this: the last time the 34 heads of these states got together it was April 2001 in Quebec City; it was Bush’s first Summit after his election and he announced with great confidence that the Free Trade Area of the Americas would be law by 2005. Now, four years later, many of the faces of his colleagues have changed and Bush can’t even get the FTAA on the meeting’s agenda, let alone get it signed.

As in Colombia, there are attempts across the continent to paint the indigenous-inspired movements behind this massive political shift as terrorist. And not surprisingly Washington is offering both military and ideological assistance. Congress has approved a doubling of the number of U.S. soldiers in Colombia and there has been a marked increase in U.S. troop activity in Paraguay, worryingly near to the Bolivian border, which could move decisively to the left in upcoming elections. Meanwhile, a recent study by the U.S. National Intelligence Council warned that indigenous movements, although peaceful now, could “consider more drastic means” in the future.

Indigenous movements are indeed a threat to the exhausted free-trade policies Bush is currently hawking, with ever fewer buyers, across Latin America. Their power comes not from terror but from a new terror-resistant strain of hope, one so sturdy it can take root in the midst of Colombia’s seemingly hopeless civil war. And if it can grow there, it can take root anywhere.

This column originally appeared in The Nation

[Dontdieman]

I thought you were thinking that. That was Argentina. Venezuela is the country up top of the continent, near Colombia and Panama.

Your Totally right lol My bad. I better go get my helmet lol.

[Gibby]

Yes, but don't you think that will change with Chavez in control?

Not really. I do not know of what you speak though. I will have to go and read something on his threats to Colombia.

He is a socialist, that does not make him a conqueror. I can't imagine what he would want to invade that country for unless it is for the imagined united states of south america they have been squabbling about since they liberated themselves from the Spanish and began carving up the continent.

Good post Aqua, and NWF I ask shiva this all time and he is at least so kind to provide his sources. So tell me where are yours? Please cite them. As for it changing with Chavez for a while, well its like you think he only took power recently. Well he's been in there for several years. Only person he clashes with is Bush.

[SpikedLemonade]

... you get his oil and Columbia's hash and the market will be flooded with Hash Oil.

Amen!!!

I'm supportive.

[jimmifli]

I think he is, and I would watch out if I was him. I think Colombia can defeat Venezuela in a war.
Is that before or after he invades the US?

Chavez is planning an invasion of the United States. You see that apple salesman behind you(spiked/nehemiah). He's actually a highly trained Venezuelan marine. Get to know him well. Someday he will be in charge of the curfew in your neighborhood.

Chavez is the president of a very large oil-producing country. Regardless of whether or not the US is actually attempting to secure oil fields, it is a possibility. Chavez is trying to sound out support for the cause of smaller countries he feels may become victims to the US.

I'm not saying he's right, but I am saying I think that's what he believes.

[ticatfan3]

... you get his oil and Columbia's hash and the market will be flooded with Hash Oil.

Amen!!!

I'm supportive.The golden aroma.

[ticatfan3]

Is that before or after he invades the US?With the support he gets from russia and others ,I think he will be a tough one to beat, he is a problem that will have to be dealt with.

[Green Lantern]

With the support he gets from russia and others ,I think he will be a tough one to beat, he is a problem that will have to be dealt with.


We spend more on military than the rest of the world combined and you think 90 jets from Russia will make Venezuela a problem to be dealt with?

[ticatfan3]

We spend more on military than the rest of the world combined and you think 90 jets from Russia will make Venezuela a problem to be dealt with?He sure will be , if he causes a war in S.A. And who cares how much you spend, the insurgents don't seem to.

[SpikedLemonade]

Ticat and Jimmifli, you are missing this whole Hash Oil angle.

[Green Lantern]

He sure will be , if he causes a war in S.A. And who cares how much you spend, the insurgents don't seem to.


I don't know if you know it or not but he is not causing the stir, he is the stir's mouthpiece. He is a populist on a continent that has historically been ruled by military oligarchist.

Just so we can get this straight from the beginning: you don't care about what happens to the people down there, you are concerned with US national interests?

[Green Lantern]

Wait a minute. Why are we even talking about this? I thought it was discovered way up at the top of this thread the NMF has no evidence to support this stupid thread and that this is not a real issue.

Who can show me a news article that Colombia and Venezuela are hostile and thinking about starting a war? Or, even, that they are hostiles.

[SpikedLemonade]

Wait a minute. Why are we even talking about this? I thought it was discovered way up at the top of this thread the NMF has no evidence to support this stupid thread and that this is not a real issue.

Who can show me a news article that Colombia and Venezuela are hostile and thinking about starting a war? Or, even, that they are hostiles.

None whatsoever.

That's why I'm taking the Hash Oil angle.

Do you understand my strategy on these nonsensical threads?

[ticatfan3]

I don't know if you know it or not but he is not causing the stir, he is the stir's mouthpiece. He is a populist on a continent that has historically been ruled by military oligarchist.

Just so we can get this straight from the beginning: you don't care about what happens to the people down there, you are concerned with US national interests?I care about the whole world, I think hugo is trouble. I think with the USA being spread so thin, hugo is going to push the envelope, and others.

[SpikedLemonade]

I care about the whole world, I think hugo is trouble.

As long as Hugo has the lubricant -- oil -- to grease up America's asswhole he's safe.

[Green Lantern]

I care about the whole world, I think hugo is trouble. I think with the USA being spread so thin, hugo is going to push the envelope, and others.

Is that why he offered to sell oil to the Gulf after Katrina at 50% off? Because he dislikes us so much?

He does not like the policies of our government. I have no doubt that if can foment enough animosity to get us out of their half of our hemisphere, he would. I really doubt that he is stupid enough to think about starting a war. We are one of his biggest customers.

[jimmifli]

With the support he gets from russia and others ,I think he will be a tough one to beat, he is a problem that will have to be dealt with.
Your ****ing nuts.

He doesn't need to be dealt with. He was freely elected by his countrymen and poses no harm to anyone.

He just doesn't want the US to rape his oil.

[jimmifli]

Wait a minute. Why are we even talking about this? I thought it was discovered way up at the top of this thread the NMF has no evidence to support this stupid thread and that this is not a real issue.

Who can show me a news article that Colombia and Venezuela are hostile and thinking about starting a war? Or, even, that they are hostiles.
None.

That's why I quoted him warning of an imminent US invasion.

[NorthwesternFan]

Wait a minute. Why are we even talking about this? I thought it was discovered way up at the top of this thread the NMF has no evidence to support this stupid thread and that this is not a real issue.

Who can show me a news article that Colombia and Venezuela are hostile and thinking about starting a war? Or, even, that they are hostiles.

Of course I do....

It's irrational thinking that supports my claim..

Sure, Hugo would have to be an idiot to do it. A Rational thinker says, Colombia would thwart Venezuela in 3 weeks... However, and irrational thinker like myself who looks at Hugo's marine background, and his idolization of Fidel Castro says hmmm.... Maybe this guy believes he can pull something off, and if he did his influence would grow.


This guy obviously hates America, and Colombia; and American allie, and geographic neighbor to Venezuela could affect Super Hugo's plans.

Not only that, but the drug factor is another eniticement to Chavez.

Hugo Chavez is not a rational thinker Aquaman..

You are..



Hugo Chavez doesn't

[Green Lantern]

Of course I do....

It's irrational thinking that supports my claim..

Sure, Hugo would have to be an idiot to do it. A Rational thinker says, Colombia would thwart Venezuela in 3 weeks... However, and irrational thinker like myself who looks at Hugo's marine background, and his idolization of Fidel Castro says hmmm.... Maybe this guy believes he can pull something off, and if he did his influence would grow.


This guy obviously hates America, and Colombia; and American allie, and geographic neighbor to Venezuela could affect Super Hugo's plans.

Not only that, but the drug factor is another eniticement to Chavez.

Hugo Chavez is not a rational thinker Aquaman..

You are..



Hugo Chavez doesn't

I have seen no evidence to support your theory that Chavez is irrational. Even crazy people have a logic system; it just makes no sense to others. I find it hard to believe that Chavez made it all the way through the halls of power in the military structure of Venezuela as an irrational man and then, to boot, smooth-talked his way through a popular election with none of the millions around him being the wiser.

I guess it is possible but I'd say you are betting on a long shot.

Like I said in an earlier post, you shouldn't believe everything you think.

[shiva2999]

Hugo Chavez is the ****ing MAN!

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/chavez_castro488.jpg

[uppy]

Hugo Chavez is the ****ing MAN!

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/chavez_castro488.jpg


Hugo is living on borrrowed time...He is no Castro

[shiva2999]

Is someone gonna whack him uppy?

What's the conspiracy theory?

[uppy]

I don't have a theory just a gut feeling...he is becoming a pain in the ass
to the US,its not a good career move

[Green Lantern]

I don't have a theory just a gut feeling...he is becoming a pain in the ass
to the US,its not a good career move


Too true. We've toppled democratically elected leaders in Venezuela in favor of dictators in the past.

[uppy]

Too true. We've toppled democratically elected leaders in Venezuela in favor of dictators in the past.

History often repeats its self....I don't know why it just happens.

[Green Lantern]

History often repeats its self....I don't know why it just happens.

Because when you can, often you do.

[Gibby]

Is someone gonna whack him uppy?

What's the conspiracy theory?

1) Probably, considering what Aqua has said.

2) No conspiracy here, but considering he is trying to piss off the BA and because he has oil they will try something. Hopefully we aren't stupid enough to attempt to start another endless and senseless war when we do so.

[uppy]

Because when you can, often you do.




Exactly

And Castro only lived this long because...JFK, kissed Khrushchev ass to end
the so called "Cuban Missile Crisis"....no so with Hugo

[uppy]

1) Probably, considering what Aqua has said.

2) No conspiracy here, but considering he is trying to piss off the BA and because he has oil they will try something. Hopefully we aren't stupid enough to attempt to start another endless and senseless war when we do so.

It would be a easy war....Hell ,1/2 of south America is trying to get into
the US it seems.

[SpikedLemonade]

Is someone gonna whack him uppy?



Shiva please stop with the ethnic slurs against my people.