starve the homeless!

[nehemiah]

what kind of "human" would want to criminalize charity? this is getting ridiculous. :Grr:

it's sickening.

LAS VEGAS, July 21 — Gail Sacco pulled green grapes, bread, lunch meat and, of course in this blazing heat, bottles of water from a cardboard box. A dozen homeless people rose from shady spots in the surrounding city park and snatched the handouts from her.

Gail Sacco, a retired restaurant owner, has for years been giving meals to homeless people in a Las Vegas park. The city has outlawed the practice. Recipients of Ms. Sacco’s handouts say that they are far from shelters and that they get little public assistance.

Ms. Sacco, an advocate for the homeless, scoffed at a city ordinance that goes into effect Friday making it illegal to offer so much as a biscuit to a poor person in a city park.

Las Vegas, whose homeless population has doubled in the past decade to about 12,000 people in and around the city, joins several other cities across the country that have adopted or considered ordinances limiting the distribution of charitable meals in parks. Most have restricted the time and place of such handouts, hoping to discourage homeless people from congregating and, in the view of officials, ruining efforts to beautify downtowns and neighborhoods.

But the Las Vegas ordinance is believed to be the first to explicitly make it an offense to feed “the indigent.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/us/28homeless.html?hp&ex=1154145600&en=7869870a282b81d7&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[TRIPLE P]

Absolutly correct IMO..... who would want to ruin the beauty of Vegas, with its compulsive gamblers, hookers, and fat-ass midwestern vacationers, with "congregating" homeless....

In fact, every city should simply outlaw ugly people from "congregating"....why should a city have to tarnish its beauty with a group of fatties or ug-mos?

[sukie]

There is a time and place to be homeless I guess. The park isn't one of them. Don't they have a bridge to congregate under?

[sukie]

Absolutly correct IMO..... who would want to ruin the beauty of Vegas, with its compulsive gamblers, hookers, and fat-ass midwestern vacationers, with "congregating" homeless....

In fact, every city should simply outlaw ugly people from "congregating"....why should a city have to tarnish its beauty with a group of fatties or ug-mos?
"ug-mos" ROFLMAO

[SpikedLemonade]

Absolutly correct IMO..... who would want to ruin the beauty of Vegas, with its compulsive gamblers, hookers, and fat-ass midwestern vacationers, with "congregating" homeless....

In fact, every city should simply outlaw ugly people from "congregating"....why should a city have to tarnish its beauty with a group of fatties or ug-mos?

Ha Ha Ha:n4clapping:

[nehemiah]

it's a public park.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

[SpikedLemonade]

There is a time and place to be homeless I guess. The park isn't one of them. Don't they have a bridge to congregate under?

Sukie, you are confusing Trolls with the Homeless.

Let me speak clear up your confusion with an example you will understand -- Homeless have hair on their asses, butt Trolls do NOT.

[sukie]

I saw a docufilm on a 50 yr old homeless guy that lived under an overpass who was given 100,000K and was monitored to see what he'd do with it. It was wild. bought a car for his buddy... 9 grand, then moved back home to southern California got an apartment with all new furniture, bought a 35K truck, got his license renewed after that, talked about getting his teeth fixed to find a job but just pissed the money away on beer and screwing fat chicks. In 4 months he was homeless again.

[nehemiah]

I saw a docufilm on a 50 yr old homeless guy that lived under an overpass who was given 100,000K and was monitored to see what he'd do with it. It was wild. bought a car for his buddy... 9 grand, then moved back home to southern California got an apartment with all new furniture, bought a 35K truck, got his license renewed after that, talked about getting his teeth fixed to find a job but just pissed the money away on beer and screwing fat chicks. In 4 months he was homeless again.stop lyin'.

[Ru]

I saw a docufilm on a 50 yr old homeless guy that lived under an overpass who was given 100,000K and was monitored to see what he'd do with it. It was wild. bought a car for his buddy... 9 grand, then moved back home to southern California got an apartment with all new furniture, bought a 35K truck, got his license renewed after that, talked about getting his teeth fixed to find a job but just pissed the money away on beer and screwing fat chicks. In 4 months he was homeless again.

That's wonderful!! :rofl:

[sukie]

stop lyin'.
I think it was on the IFC channel followed by another one I think was called "Plaza Hotel" about a 151.00/week old old hotel with gay mormon crack addict, and a sex offender, a young family, a stripper, some old coot and this cat that was pretty much the star... it documented there lives in Portland.

[sukie]

Meant $100,000. It was on SHOWTIME

[SpikedLemonade]

screwing fat chicks

That's just wrong.:fireworks:

[Gibby]

what kind of "human" would want to criminalize charity? this is getting ridiculous. :Grr:

it's sickening.

LAS VEGAS, July 21 — Gail Sacco pulled green grapes, bread, lunch meat and, of course in this blazing heat, bottles of water from a cardboard box. A dozen homeless people rose from shady spots in the surrounding city park and snatched the handouts from her.

Gail Sacco, a retired restaurant owner, has for years been giving meals to homeless people in a Las Vegas park. The city has outlawed the practice. Recipients of Ms. Sacco’s handouts say that they are far from shelters and that they get little public assistance.

Ms. Sacco, an advocate for the homeless, scoffed at a city ordinance that goes into effect Friday making it illegal to offer so much as a biscuit to a poor person in a city park.

Las Vegas, whose homeless population has doubled in the past decade to about 12,000 people in and around the city, joins several other cities across the country that have adopted or considered ordinances limiting the distribution of charitable meals in parks. Most have restricted the time and place of such handouts, hoping to discourage homeless people from congregating and, in the view of officials, ruining efforts to beautify downtowns and neighborhoods.

But the Las Vegas ordinance is believed to be the first to explicitly make it an offense to feed “the indigent.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/us/28homeless.html?hp&ex=1154145600&en=7869870a282b81d7&ei=5094&partner=homepage


Gee Neh, don't know why you are so upset, congress has passed a bill which will end homelessness by the year 2012 or so I have heard from a DC based homeless activist group. Of course they have also redefined homelessness to be you must have children, be persistently homeless that is more than 18 months in a twenty four month period, be alone, have no car or live in a hotel or shelter, have at least one illness or disability. Look it up this bill sickens me if it is true. As for your story I knew this is what faith based initiatives would do. Now don't get me wrong in the aftermath of Katrina the Southern Baptist convention and other groups did and are doing far more than the government but they have so few resources whereas the government has so many that they can only do so little. Now we are attacking a charity that does its Christ mandated mission, thank you LV you are officially a disgrace.

[uppy]

Are the homeless what we use to call bums,tramps or hobos ? Or are the homeless down on their luck familys that are starving with no place to
turn ?

[nehemiah]

Are the homeless what we use to call bums,tramps or hobos ? Or are the homeless down on their luck familys that are starving with no place to
turn ?bums, tramps, and hoboes still exist. they are particular categories of homeless people.

the homeless today are increasingly single-parent headed families.

[sukie]

Upper middle class homeless

[uppy]

King ..do you find that the homeless (men no kids) like their life the way
it is and don't take the help thats offered?

[SpikedLemonade]

Are the homeless what we use to call bums,tramps or hobos ? Or are the homeless down on their luck familys that are starving with no place to
turn ?

In the Middle East, they are called Palestines.

[nehemiah]

King ..do you find that the homeless (men no kids) like their life the way
it is and don't take the help thats offered?it depends.

some people are happy being homeless.

most single, male homeless have mental health issues, in my experience. they have little access to meds, however, and are disinclined to take them anyways. quite a few of them are vets.

[35Pete]

bums, tramps, and hoboes still exist. they are particular categories of homeless people.

the homeless today are increasingly single-parent headed families.
Stop your beeding heart fibbin'. LOL

The homeless are predominantly substance abusers and/or the mentally ill.

[SpikedLemonade]

The homeless are predominantly substance abusers and/or the mentally ill.

So, we have a lot of homeless right here as posters.

[nehemiah]

Stop your beeding heart fibbin'. LOL

The homeless are predominantly substance abusers and/or the mentally ill.children under 18 comprise 39% of the homeless population.

of that 39%, 42% of them are under the age of 5.

go get edumacated, homie --> http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/facts/Whois.pdf

[Papaduke]

I saw a docufilm on a 50 yr old homeless guy that lived under an overpass who was given 100,000K and was monitored to see what he'd do with it. It was wild. bought a car for his buddy... 9 grand, then moved back home to southern California got an apartment with all new furniture, bought a 35K truck, got his license renewed after that, talked about getting his teeth fixed to find a job but just pissed the money away on beer and screwing fat chicks. In 4 months he was homeless again.


Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day...

The key is education and probably rehab for the alcohol. I am not surprised to hear this, you also hear stories about people winning the lotto or young athletes that get the big signing bonus being broke because they lack the ability or the willpower to manage their money correctly.

[35Pete]

children under 18 comprise 39% of the homeless population.

of that 39%, 42% of them are under the age of 5.

go get edumacated, homie --> http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/facts/Whois.pdf
Gee. You don't suppose all those advocacy groups wouldn't fudge the numbers, would ya?

I don't respect the sources anymore than I would statistics of domestic violence published by NAG (National Association of Gals aka, NOW).

[Papaduke]

children under 18 comprise 39% of the homeless population.

of that 39%, 42% of them are under the age of 5.

go get edumacated, homie --> http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/facts/Whois.pdf


Interesting stuff though I would like to see a more academic study of the issue, stuff from advocacy groups can be biased. Think of it this way, how likely could you get the public behind increasing funding for the homeless if the perception is that the homeless are 40% children versus Pete's assertion of the majority being addicts? I think most people would be inclined towards Pete's assertion because we have all been hit up by the guy scrounding change for alcohol. However that is because the junkie needs the cash for a fix. Homeless children will not hit you up for a PB&J, they are more likely to be in a shelter situation (though not always) and not chemically addicted. So there is less of a chance to see them homeless.

I am not calling BS on those numbers I am just say consider the source and lets see if there are more independent sources that can verify.

[35Pete]

I am not calling BS on those numbers I am just say consider the source and lets see if there are more independent sources that can verify.

Quit being a creampuff big guy. The numbers are BS. :D

[nehemiah]

Gee. You don't suppose all those advocacy groups wouldn't fudge the numbers, would ya?

I don't respect the sources anymore than I would statistics of domestic violence published by NAG (National Association of Gals aka, NOW).the most reliable data comes from the national conference of mayors; and that data backs up those percentages.

but please continue in willful ignorance... it allows such wonderful forced starvation laws to be passed.

[nehemiah]

People remained homeless for an average of five months in the survey cities. Sixty percent of the cities said that the length of time people are homeless increased during the last year. Single men comprised 41 percent of the homeless population, families with children 40 percent, single women 14 percent, and unaccompanied youth five percent.
http://www.usmayors.org/uscm/news/press_releases/documents/hunger_121803.asp

[nehemiah]

http://www.usmayors.org/uscm/hungersurvey/2002/onlinereport/HungerAndHomelessReport2002.pdf

[nehemiah]

shall we continue to rumble on the issue?

i'm ready to go 15 rounds.

:box:

[ticatfan3]

The left has turned the homeless into a billion dollar industry up here. The more people homeless,the more jobs for the lefties.

[SpikedLemonade]

The left has turned the homeless into a billion dollar industry up here. The more people homeless,the more jobs for the lefties.

What?

Hey Forest Ranger, you can't see the trees from the forest.

[Gibby]

it's a public park.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

excellent point

[Gibby]

The left has turned the homeless into a billion dollar industry up here. The more people homeless,the more jobs for the lefties.

In a way you are right, but remember this is a GOP admin and there are more faith based groups tending to the homeless. I think however that you are right in that society only permits rampant homelessness as in all things that seem wrong and unjust simply because the benifits outweigh the bad. Think about it the pharmaceuticals for instance drag their heels in finding solutions to aids, alzheimers, cancer et al because they know that once they find these cures and miracle drugs they will lose investment. The government doesn't do much about homelessness because government agencies can stay in business filing the paperwork and if homelessness ever ended or was greatly reduced there would be tonnes of social workers out of jobs.

[Gibby]

Are the homeless what we use to call bums,tramps or hobos ? Or are the homeless down on their luck familys that are starving with no place to
turn ?

to quote Deion Sanders in the old Pizza Hut ads "both". Homelessness is a complex issue. A few years ago my mom and I were homeless for a little more than a week and for a couple years prior to that and about six months after that we lived in motels and were therefore defacto homeless. I would not consider us tramps -okay I know some SOB will insert a crass joke in here and I would ask the mods to banish them- or bums. No we were way down on our luck and on funds. There are many families and individuals like this, and generally with a little bit of encouragement and assistance these people such as we were get back up. However, there are some who are bums that stay perpetually in this situation and have nothing to blame but alcohol, drugs, and the like for their situation. IMHO there are far more people who find themselves in hardship homelessness than there are in bum perpetual homelessness.

[pmoon6]

While many are mentally ill or drug abusers, they're are some who are not. I ran into a woman and her two kids when I was delivering to a C-store in Houston.

I noticed them because it was 3 AM and the kids were outside a station wagon playing in the parking lot. It looked to me like she had packed everything she owned and was on the road.

I loaded a stryofoam cooler with yogurt, milk, cottage cheese and took it to them. No words were really spoken, other than the usual pleasantries, she didn't say why they were there or what her circumstances were. I gave her $50 and told her good luck. The look on her face was one of awe, she didn't know what to say, but I will remember that look the rest of my life.

[Gibby]

While many are mentally ill or drug abusers, they're are some who are not. I ran into a woman and her two kids when I was delivering to a C-store in Houston.

I noticed them because it was 3 AM and the kids were outside a station wagon playing in the parking lot. It looked to me like she had packed everything she owned and was on the road.

I loaded a stryofoam cooler with yogurt, milk, cottage cheese and took it to them. No words were really spoken, other than the usual pleasantries, she didn't say why they were there or what her circumstances were. I gave her $50 and told her good luck. The look on her face was one of awe, she didn't know what to say, but I will remember that look the rest of my life.

Your actions will be remembered forever by that family. A similar thing happened to me during that bleak time. A coworker of my mom -when the church did nothing but tell us to go to a shelter- brought us food and got us into a kitchenette. Then we started going to that person's church and they helped us get an apartment. It was cool, and I shall never forget that kindness.

[nehemiah]

you're a good guy, moonie.

have a beer and some chips, my man.

:rockon:

[Gibby]

you're a good guy, moonie.

have a beer and some chips, my man.

:rockon:

my sentiments exactly

[35Pete]

you're a good guy, moonie.

have a beer and some chips, my man.

:rockon:
A beer and 2,000 chips from me too.

[Gibby]

A beer and 2,000 chips from me too.

oh those kinds of chips. Hold on I'll send em shortly

[SpikedLemonade]

I start a thread on what should be our common favourute subject -- "Shaved Vaginas" -- and I don't get any chips at all.:rolleyes2

You're a good person Moonie.:n4clapping:

Tell you what, I will repay that family's debt to your kindness by taking care of the food, drink, etc. when you come to a Bills game.:birthday:

You just pick the date. I will acquiure the tickets. You pay for the ticket and nothing else.

Just be ready to be picked up at your Buffalo area hotel at 7:30 AM on that Sunday.

I have a tailgate spot reserved if I e-mail my American friends.

So just pick the game buddy.:arizona:

[Stealth01]

[QUOTE=nehemiah]bums, tramps, and hoboes still exist. they are particular categories of homeless people.
/QUOTE]

Actually, a friend of mine researched hoboes for a book she was writing, and she found that many of them actually HAVE homes. They just choose to hobo along on trains because it was a freer lifestyle that they enjoyed. Her research was pretty interesting...there was even an architect who did it, I believe.

[nehemiah]

Actually, a friend of mine researched hoboes for a book she was writing, and she found that many of them actually HAVE homes. They just choose to hobo along on trains because it was a freer lifestyle that they enjoyed. Her research was pretty interesting...there was even an architect who did it, I believe.Down and Out, On the Road by Kenneth Kusmer.

wonderful book. highly recommended.

[Stealth01]

I'll have to check it out! (Of the library, of course...)

[Gibby]

Down and Out, On the Road by Kenneth Kusmer.

wonderful book. highly recommended.

yeah, this was a good read.