A message to all koolaid drinkers from the Israeli left...

[shiva2999]

Here's a blast against current Israeli and US policy by Prof. Tanya Reinhart of Tel Aviv University.

You "Isreel GUD! Hizboola BAD! We KILLS 'EM!" crowd especially need to read this so you'll know what intelligent people are talking about...


http://www.nimn.org/articles/whats_new/000547.php

Israel's "new Middle East"



Tanya Reinhart

Beirut is burning, hundreds of Lebanese die, hundreds of thousands lose all they ever owned and become refugees, and all the world is doing is rescuing the "foreign passport" residents of what was just two weeks ago "the Paris of the Middle East". Lebanon must die now, because "Israel has the right to defend itself", so goes the U.S. mantra, used to block any international attempt to impose a cease fire.

Israel, backed by the U.S., portrays its war on Lebanon as a war of self defense. It is easy to sell this message to mainstream media, because the residents of the North of Israel are also in shelters, bombarded and endangered. Israel's claim that no country would let such an attack on its residents unanswered, finds many sympathetic ears. But let us reconstruct exactly how it all started.

On Wednesday, July 12, a Hezbollah unit attacked two armored Jeeps of the Israeli army, patrolling along Israel's border with Lebanon. Three Israeli soldiers were killed in the attack and two were taken hostage. In a news conference held in Beirut a couple of hours later, Hezbollah's leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah explained that their aim was to reach a prisoner exchange, where in return for the two captured Israeli soldiers, Israel would return three Lebanese prisoners it had refused to release in a previous prisoner exchange. Nasrallah declared that "he did not want to drag the region into war", but added that "our current restraint is not due to weakness... if they [Israel] choose to confront us, they must be prepared for surprises." (1)

The Israeli government, however, did not give a single moment for diplomacy, negotiations, or even cool reflection over the situation. In a cabinet meeting that same day, it authorized a massive offensive on Lebanon. As Ha'aretz reported, "In a sharp departure from Israel's response to previous Hezbollah attacks, the cabinet session unanimously agreed that the Lebanese government should be held responsible for yesterday's events." Olmert declared: "This morning's events are not a terror attack, but the act of a sovereign state that attacked Israel for no reason and without provocation." He added that "the Lebanese government, of which Hezbollah is a part, is trying to undermine regional stability. Lebanon is responsible, and Lebanon will bear the consequences of its actions."

...and...

But Israel is not sacrificing its soldiers and citizens only to please the Bush administration. The "new Middle East" has been a dream of the Israeli ruling military circles since at least 1982, when Sharon led the country to the first Lebanon war with precisely this declared goal. Hezbollah's leaders have argued for years that its real long-term role is to protect Lebanon, whose army is too weak to do this. They have said that Israel has never given up its aspirations for Lebanon and that the only reason it pulled out of Southern Lebanon in 2000 is because Hezbollah's resistance has made maintaining the occupation too costly. Lebanon's people know what every Israeli old enough to remember knows—that in the vision of Ben Gurion, Israel's founding leader, Israel's border should be "natural," that is—the Jordan river in the East, and the Litani river of Lebanon in the north. In 1967, Israel gained control over the Jordan river, in the occupied Palestinian land, but all its attempts to establish the Litani border have failed so far.

...more...

[uppy]

Southern Lebanon would be better off as part of Israel,Ben Gurion was a man of vision.

(For the U.S., the Middle East is a "strategic playing field", where the game is establishing full U.S. domination. The U.S. already controls Iraq and Afghanistan, and considers Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and a few other states as friendly cooperating regimes.where the game is establishing full U.S. domination. The U.S. already controls Iraq and Afghanistan, and considers Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and a few other states as friendly cooperating regimes.)

I have been saying this too but not as a "strategic playing field" but to win
the war on terror the US needs a big foot print in the M.E. for decades
perhaps longer to keep the terror movements from comming back.

US and Israeli domination in the reigon is the best way to keep the peace.

[nehemiah]

Southern Lebanon would be better off as part of Israel,Ben Gurion was a man of vision.

(For the U.S., the Middle East is a "strategic playing field", where the game is establishing full U.S. domination. The U.S. already controls Iraq and Afghanistan, and considers Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and a few other states as friendly cooperating regimes.where the game is establishing full U.S. domination. The U.S. already controls Iraq and Afghanistan, and considers Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and a few other states as friendly cooperating regimes.)

I have been saying this too but not as a "strategic playing field" but to win
the war on terror the US needs a big foot print in the M.E. for decades
perhaps longer to keep the terror movements from comming back.

US and Israeli domination in the reigon is the best way to keep the peace.bwaaahahahahahhahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaa :rofl:

post of the year!

[JoetheDictator]

US and Israeli domination in the reigon is the best way to keep the peace.

good post, but the way this line should be worded is best way to protect America at home. Peace will NEVER be kept or had while we or Israel are in the region. Other than that a well thought out post.

[uppy]

What is wrong with my post my king,If the US and Israel had full domination
in the M.E. would we not have peace ? (after we win the war on terror )

[uppy]

good post, but the way this line should be worded is best way to protect America at home. Peace will NEVER be kept or had while we or Israel are in the region. Other than that a well thought out post.

We need the oil...we are in the region like it or not so we must win the peace.

[BillsCAfan]

We need the oil...we are in the region like it or not so we must win the peace.

That's some good ol American attitude.

We want what you have. You won't give it to us, so we'll take it, and then we'll talk about Peace later.

We didn't start it, we swear.

[BillsCAfan]

What is wrong with my post my king,If the US and Israel had full domination
in the M.E. would we not have peace ? (after we win the war on terror )

You want full domination in a region which is not American property.

And you question the reason why there is no peace?

Extremism/terrorism will NEVER go away.

America in the Middle East is the first line in any recruting effort by terrorist cells to expand their base, and a great example of that is Iraq. There will never be peace or stablity in Iraq or anywhere in the Middle East as long as America has a presense.

You want to have a war on terror, about engaging Saudi Arabia in a war. Most of the known terrorist are from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia also has some of the worst human rights practices in the Middle East. There has also been links to few terrorist organizations and the royal family.

Does America care? Nope, cuz Saudi Arabia bends over on command, thus making them NON-terrorists.

[Victor7]

That's some good ol American attitude.

We want what you have. You won't give it to us, so we'll take it, and then we'll talk about Peace later.

We didn't start it, we swear.

:clapper:

I just dont know why uppy fails to see this

[uppy]

Look at the middle east like the old west...after we had full domination
we had peace and all the resources.

[BillsCAfan]

Look at the middle east like the old west...after we had full domination
we had peace and all the resources.

Wow!

:rolleyes:

[Victor7]

Look at the middle east like the old west...after we had full domination
we had peace and all the resources.

you mean your old west ??
and your (NOT) Middle East ??

[uppy]

Yup...our new middle east...for the good of the people of the region.

[uppy]

Wow!

:rolleyes:


Now you get it....peace only comes after Victory

[BillsCAfan]

Now you get it....peace only comes after Victory


You haven't gotten it yet and you will never get it.

There is no such thing as Victory against terrorism.

You want to blow up the Middle East and take all the resources in the name of peace. Haha Good one.

US will never dominate the Middle East. It couldn't even dominate a poor lifeless country like Iraq.

Not to mention that China, EU and Russia won't allow it.

Oh don't tell me, we're gonna take care of those guys too.

DOMINATE!!!!!

[uppy]

You haven't gotten it yet and you will never get it.

There is no such thing as Victory against terrorism.

You want to blow up the Middle East and take all the resources in the name of peace. Haha Good one.

US will never dominate the Middle East. It couldn't even dominate a poor lifeless country like Iraq.

Not to mention that China, EU and Russia won't allow it.

Oh don't tell me, we're gonna take care of those guys too.

DOMINATE!!!!!

The US is the most powerfull country in the middle east today,Israel
is the 2d most powerfull...I would say we are on our way...don't you
think ?

[BillsCAfan]

The US is the most powerfull country in the middle east today,Israel
is the 2d most powerfull...I would say we are on our way...don't you
think ?

How's that big powerful country doing in Iraq?

We are three+ years running on our way to dominate the Middle East, especially since thousands of American soldiers have died in probably the poorest and least powerful country in the MidEast, everyday new attacks are taking place, the new govt of Iraq has views that align with the majority power in Iran, and a big majority of people in the US are now against the the war we initiated.

Yeah, we've got all the tools in place to Dominate the entire MidEast.

Go America! :n4clapping:

[sukie]

I'm concerned that my friend Upstart quoted Kerry talkingpointsby sayingwe must "Win the Peace". Yikes.

[uppy]

We are in the last throes, of the insurgency BCF,and we have a strong
new goverment in place in Iraq.Soon we may have a new "majority power in Iran"

Things are going well

[BillsCAfan]

I'm concerned that my friend Upstart quoted Kerry talkingpointsby sayingwe must "Win the Peace". Yikes.

You can win peace, but it won't be on the coat-tails of cruise missles.

[BillsCAfan]

We are in the last throes, of the insurgency BCF,and we have a strong
new goverment in place in Iraq.Soon we may have a new "majority power in Iran"

Things are going well

One, you have no proof or evidence that the insurgency is on its last gasp. All I see is new Iraqi deaths, new American deaths and new blown up buildings. Not to mention limited progress by Iraqi forces to create some kind of structure and stability within themselves. No where do we see signs that things are getting better in Iraq, except if you want to take Cheney and Bush at their word, and we all know how much that is worth.

Two, we have a new strong govt in Iraq? Really? All I see is a civil war waiting to happen, lead by a majority that doesn't dislike Iran as much as US had hoped.

New Majority power in Iran, huh...? Haha, I wake up everyday hoping that happens, unfortunently, you are dead wrong about this. It won't happen anytime soon, and if it does, it won't be America or Israel that does it.

[uppy]

Its only been three years....winning the peace takes time.We are in the last
throes now.

[uppy]

One, you have no proof or evidence that the insurgency is on its last gasp. All I see is new Iraqi deaths, new American deaths and new blown up buildings. Not to mention limited progress by Iraqi forces to create some kind of structure and stability within themselves. No where do we see signs that things are getting better in Iraq, except if you want to take Cheney and Bush at their word, and we all know how much that is worth.

Two, we have a new strong govt in Iraq? Really? All I see is a civil war waiting to happen, lead by a majority that doesn't dislike Iran as much as US had hoped.

New Majority power in Iran, huh...? Haha, I wake up everyday hoping that happens, unfortunently, you are dead wrong about this. It won't happen anytime soon, and if it does, it won't be America or Israel that does it.

You make good points..but why do you see the glass as 1/2 full ?

We are winning

[TheCrystalBall]

Yes he does have proof the insurgency is in it last throes. Dont cha remember...Dick Cheney said so several months ago on Meet the press.

[BillsCAfan]

We are winning

Based on what?

And how do you know the Insurgency is coming to an end??

[uppy]

Yes he does have proof the insurgency is in it last throes. Dont cha remember...Dick Cheney said so several months ago on Meet the press.

I remember...Dick was right on the money..its true,the insurgency is in it last throes.I bet in a few months things will slow down

[uppy]

Based on what?

And how do you know the Insurgency is coming to an end??

Thay are running out of terrorists...

"If we kill enough of them,thay stop fighting."

Gen. Curtis Lemay

[BillsCAfan]

Thay are running out of terrorists...

"If we kill enough of them,thay stop fighting."

Gen. Curtis Lemay

Are you kidding?

Do you know who "terrorist" recruits are?

Poor young adults who get lured into terrorism cuz they have nothing else in life, and those kind of people are a plenty in the MidEast.

Matter of fact, there are more "terrorists" in Iraq now than there were before Saddam, soley for the reason that America is there. America breeds prospective extremists, and as long as we are there, they won't "run out".

And if that is your only argument for why Insurgency is on its last gasp, its a pretty weak argument.

[uppy]

Did you read Shiva's link at the start of the thread ?

( From Bush's perspective, he only has two years to consolidate his vision of complete U.S. control of the Middle East, and to do that, all seeds of resistance should be crushed in a devastating blow that will make it clear to every single Arab that obeying the master is the only way to stay alive.)

We still have two years to get it done...two years is a long time.Have hope
BCF it will be done.

[sukie]

But the victory assures them jobs at the Walmart superstore in Tikrit.

[BillsCAfan]

Did you read Shiva's link at the start of the thread ?

( From Bush's perspective, he only has two years to consolidate his vision of complete U.S. control of the Middle East, and to do that, all seeds of resistance should be crushed in a devastating blow that will make it clear to every single Arab that obeying the master is the only way to stay alive.)

We still have two years to get it done...two years is a long time.Have hope
BCF it will be done.

We haven't even come close to have a stable Iraq for 4 years now, and in two years we will have total control of the Middle East?

Bush is dillusional if he believes that, and you follow suit if you believe Bush.

[uppy]

We have Victory in most of Iraq...Hell, perhaps we should shut down the parts
that keep supporting the terrorists.Close off the roads and let them wither
on the vine,until thay cry for peace.

[uppy]

We could make the Iraqi min wage higher then Iran....I think the demos would
be all over that

[BillsCAfan]

We have Victory in most of Iraq...Hell, perhaps we should shut down the parts
that keep supporting the terrorists.Close off the roads and let them wither
on the vine,until thay cry for peace.

So it's the open roads that is the problem with Iraq?

[notacon]

First he gave us the most disgraceful statement ever…

"…sometimes the executive must step over the bounds of the constitution to protect the constitution.”

Now we get this…

Southern Lebanon would be better off as part of Israel,Ben Gurion was a man of vision.

(For the U.S., the Middle East is a "strategic playing field", where the game is establishing full U.S. domination. The U.S. already controls Iraq and Afghanistan, and considers Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and a few other states as friendly cooperating regimes.where the game is establishing full U.S. domination. The U.S. already controls Iraq and Afghanistan, and considers Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and a few other states as friendly cooperating regimes.)

I have been saying this too but not as a "strategic playing field" but to win
the war on terror the US needs a big foot print in the M.E. for decades
perhaps longer to keep the terror movements from comming back.

US and Israeli domination in the reigon is the best way to keep the peace.

That has got to be the most stunningly dangerously ignorant post I have ever seen.

Your complete lack of understanding of the situation in the world…the use of power…the result of violence…the situation in the ME…the reasons for terrorism…the meaning of the United States of America and what it means to be an American…and the knowledge of why people react to circumstances…is truly breathtaking.

I would explain it to you but why waste my time banging me head against the thickest skull in the universe.

[TheCrystalBall]

I remember...Dick was right on the money..its true,the insurgency is in it last throes.I bet in a few months things will slow down

Ummm. But it's gotten worse since he said it. And even Dubya disagrees with you on this one.

So i guess your at odds with your own president.

[uppy]

So it's the open roads that is the problem with Iraq?

I don't know...but if we shut down the roads to the parts of Iraq that support
terror we could starve them out.If you look back in history this was a tactic
that worked.

[sukie]

Of course GW said it's getting worse... The fear spin before elections has begun... Whaddaya think he's gonna say?

[uppy]

Ummm. But it's gotten worse since he said it. And even Dubya disagrees with you on this one.

So i guess your at odds with your own president.

GWB,is at adds with the VP....link please.

[BillsCAfan]

First he gave us the most disgraceful statement ever…

"…sometimes the executive must step over the bounds of the constitution to protect the constitution.”

Now we get this…



That has got to be the most stunningly dangerously ignorant post I have ever seen.

Your complete lack of understanding of the situation in the world…the use of power…the result of violence…the situation in the ME…the reasons for terrorism…the meaning of the United States of America and what it means to be an American…and the knowledge of why people react to circumstances…is truly breathtaking.

I would explain it to you but why waste my time banging me head against the thickest skull in the universe.


I was implying all of this with the...wow.

But I feel your pain.

[JoetheDictator]

Of course GW said it's getting worse... The fear spin before elections has begun... Whaddaya think he's gonna say?

Excellent point.

[uppy]

Were is Shiva ? This is his thread and he has only one post in it.

ROTFLMAO

[sukie]

It's "SHPAMIVA"

[BillsCAfan]

GWB,is at adds with the VP....link please.

How is it that you provide no links when you say stuff yet expect that from others?

I asked for evidence of slowed insurgency and you gave me some quote from a general that not only means nothing, but it's quite inaccurate.

[BillsCAfan]

Of course GW said it's getting worse... The fear spin before elections has begun... Whaddaya think he's gonna say?

Very true, another evidence of why Bush and GOP are quie excited about new war prospects.

As long as there is war and violence, GOP is sitting pretty.

[sukie]

bingo.

[shiva2999]

BTW guys, once again I've posted something to show you how the right thinks but you still beat your heads against the wall with an assumption that they want to do the right thing too but just don't get it.

They do get it.

They just don't care.

[sukie]

Shiva I still fail to see what you are showing by highlighting the thread points in bold. Israel will not negotiate with terrorists.

[uppy]

They just don't care.

Bingo

And thay started the war...and we will finish it.

[shiva2999]

Shiva I still fail to see what you are showing by highlighting the thread points in bold. Israel will not negotiate with terrorists.

Custer thought Sitting Bull was a terrorist.

Sorry sukie, but unless you can transcend your black/white world and include some shades of gray, a lot of what I post may be difficult to understand.

I know George Bush doesn't do nuance but I do.

[uppy]

Shiva I still fail to see what you are showing by highlighting the thread points in bold. Israel will not negotiate with terrorists.

The left loves to negotiate..because nothing comes from it.

Just look at the Demo agenda

[shiva2999]

The left loves to negotiate..because nothing comes from it.

Just look at the Demo agenda

As I've pointed out many times, the left's negotiations and the dem agenda fail because they assume good intentions and a wish to play by the rules from the right.

The right do not have good intentions and could care less about playing by the rules.

[BillsCAfan]

Bingo

And thay started the war...and we will finish it.

So 9/11 was the start of it?

I bet all the American intervention in the MidEast in the 80's and Early 90's had nothing to do with it.

[uppy]

How is it that you provide no links when you say stuff yet expect that from others?

What I say that is my opinion...but,if I quote the "VP of the USA" I will
provide a link

[uppy]

As I've pointed out many times, the left's negotiations and the dem agenda fail because they assume good intentions and a wish to play by the rules from the right.


Sorry, the dems agenda fails because its all about power,to control people.

[BillsCAfan]

What I say that is my opinion...but,if I quote the "VP of the USA" I will
provide a link

So you opinion is that the insurgency in Iraq is calming down. Don't you think you're a bit unqualified to be making such statements?

[shiva2999]

Sorry, the dems agenda fails because its all about power,to control people.

LOL! See?

Uppy is now fibbing to try and win a point.

he knows this isn't true but he just doesn't care.

[sukie]

Dems wanna be the ultimate providers... No one ever fires the providers.

[shiva2999]

Dems wanna be the ultimate providers... No one ever fires the providers.

That's right. They want to steal sukie's money and give it to fat and lazy black welfare queens.

[sukie]

Special interests galore for the dems

[BillsCAfan]

Sorry, the dems agenda fails because its all about power,to control people.

Big govt doesn't mean control.

You support a party that wants to use wiretaps to monitor one's activity, has attempted to pass amendments that puts the greatest amount of control on people's lives, are pro-life, hence want to restrict and control a woman's decision....and the list goes on.

And the Dems are control-freaks, ok.

[BillsCAfan]

Special interests galore for the dems

Repubs have their share of special interests, and probably the most wealthy of them....tobacco, oil, NRA, God haha, etc...

[sukie]

free healthcare... ? look ma, it's christmas!

[sukie]

Repubs have their share of special interests, and probably the most wealthy of them....tobacco, oil, NRA, God haha, etc...
AND they employ your huddled masses.

[BillsCAfan]

AND they employ your huddled masses.

Not really, most tobacoo and oil jobs are in republican/red states.

[gilchristfan]

Sorry, the dems agenda fails because its all about power,to control people.


Look at the middle east like the old west...after we had full domination we had peace and all the resources.

LMAO. You're embroidered donkey underwear is showing Uppy. You might get kicked out of the Sanctuary of Logic and Reason for talking like a democrat.

[sukie]

Not really, most tobacoo and oil jobs are in republican/red states.
Like republicans only live there? Not even close. They just vote.

[uppy]

Big govt doesn't mean control.

You support a party that wants to use wiretaps to monitor one's activity, has attempted to pass amendments that puts the greatest amount of control on people's lives, are pro-life, hence want to restrict and control a woman's decision....and the list goes on.

And the Dems are control-freaks, ok.


I support a party that wants to protect our country....I don't give a damn
what the world "thinks" Now,if some one is calling a terror cell in Iran from
the US I hope my goverment is wiretaping the call.

[BillsCAfan]

Like republicans only live there? Not even close. They just vote.

I never said only Republicans vote there. I just said most of the jobs are in Republican/Red states, so the Dems influence in city, state and national politics is minimal in Regions where tobacco and oil special interests havea bigger presense.

[sukie]

But Dems are employed just the same.

[BillsCAfan]

I support a party that wants to protect our country....I don't give a damn
what the world "thinks" Now,if some one is calling a terror cell in Iran from
the US I hope my goverment is wiretaping the call.

One, you have no idea who they are wirtaping. And if the US has evidence a terror cell is contacting someone in the US, a warrant can easily be gotten. There is a reason why they want warrantless wiretaping.

Two, it goes beyond the realm of our constitution.

Three, the world doesn't give a shit, but the US citizens do.

What's next? Having free reign to intrude into anyone's home without a warrant?

[sukie]

The evidence is the call itself.

[shiva2999]

I support a party that wants to protect our country....

Does your belief in God protect you from ever being fooled by Satan?

[uppy]

LMAO. You're embroidered donkey underwear is showing Uppy. You might get kicked out of the Sanctuary of Logic and Reason for talking like a democrat.

I was just trying to bring Shiva back to his thread" link "he has returned


http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0803/080403macarthurdouglas.jpg


"Look at the middle east like the old west"

That was good stuff.

[BillsCAfan]

But Dems are employed just the same.

I don't know where you are going with this?

How are Dems being employed and what does that have to do with the Oil and Tobacco special interests?

As I said, the states where tobacco and oil influence politics, there are far more Republicans than Democrats, and the democratic party doesn't rely on those democrats' votes, so they become irrelevent. This is why those two special interests have a big influence in the GOP.

I could careless if there are some Dems that work for them. There are also bunch of Repubs that are part of unions. My point was that the Repubs have a huge money supply coming from special interests, and those interests count on their GOP constituency for support.....Oil, Tobacco and Guns.

[BillsCAfan]

The evidence is the call itself.

So then how do you know which calls to tap?

Are you saying that they tap every call from a "bad" nation. Isn't that racial profiling? Isn't that illegal and unconstitutional?? How can they tap EVERY cal? I mean, Bush and you GOP fellas keep saying that they only tap calls from known terrorists or suspected extremists.

How would you know this if the call itself is the evidence??

[sukie]

If you're gonna pander then pander to someone or something that provides to society in return. Defense contracts employ 1000's upon 1000's As does oil and tobacco. If Detroit would play ball (the union side of Detroit) there would be economic explosions in Michigan.

Pandering to the poor keeps them there.

[sukie]

So then how do you know which calls to tap?

I mean, Bush and you GOP fellas keep saying that they only tap calls from known terrorists or suspected extremists.

How would you know this if the call is the evidence??
You don't know unlesss you are listening to the intercepted call to the cell.

[BillsCAfan]

If you're gonna pander then pander to someone or something that provides to society in return. Defense contracts employ 1000's upon 1000's As does oil and tobacco. If Detroit would play ball (the union side of Detroit) there would be economic explosions in Michigan.

Pandering to the poor keeps them there.

Defense departments aren't special interests.

Like I said, a majoirty of tobacco and oil company hires come from dominate republican states, which would naturaly be representative in their workforce.

I merely listed that there were huge players in the GOP special interest pool, and you come back by sayign that they employ Dems, as though that would make it ok. And while I'm sure Dems are employees of these special interest groups, a huge majoirty still lies with the GOP and their supports.

[sukie]

Compared to my last sentence?... you betcha.

[BillsCAfan]

You don't know unlesss you are listening to the intercepted call to the cell.

What cell?

The prior knowledge that the call is going or coming from the cell isn't evidence??

You must know which calls to monitor, and the ones you monitor are ones that the Intel departments have listed to be suspecious, and they list it to be suspecious based on certain criteria. That criteria is evidence, NOT the call.

You are contradicting yourself big time here.

[sukie]

Don't know what cell unless you listen

[shiva2999]

Defense departments aren't special interests.

Huh?

****in' A they are.

[uppy]

Does your belief in God protect you from ever being fooled by Satan?

Satan will come back and he will go by a #......I think its 2999,he will try
to fool people.

But Mrs Reagan told us to "just say no"


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[BillsCAfan]

Don't know what cell unless you listen

Haha, dude, you're now just burying yourself.

So you're saying that you have to listen to differentiate between terrorist cells now?

I ask again, the fact that a known cell is making those calls isn't evidence enough to get a warrant?

[BillsCAfan]

Huh?

****in' A they are.

Do they give money to each party?

[sukie]

Oil does, Tobacco does

[jimmifli]

Do they give money to each party?
They don't have to. They already own them.

[BillsCAfan]

They don't have to. They already own them.

To me, special interest is the money that goes into campaign warchests.

Defense departments may favor one party to the other, but their influence in the election process is limited.

[sukie]

depends on the party in power and who's leading for congressional setas.

[uppy]

The point of this thread was the US and Israel domination of the middle
east.....we are almost there.

Life is good.

[BillsCAfan]

The point of this thread was the US and Israel domination of the middle
east.....we are almost there.

Life is good.

You're delusional.

[sukie]

BCF... it's late here. Nice talking with ya. goodnight.

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

What is wrong with my post my king,If the US and Israel had full domination
in the M.E. would we not have peace ? (after we win the war on terror )

This is some sick stuff.

You aren't anti terrorism homey.

You just believe that America is the bestest terrorists ever!

I'm starting to think that jkig's mock thread suggesting that we do away wasn't so far off base.

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

Satan will come back and he will go by a #......I think its 2999,he will try
to fool people.

But Mrs Reagan told us to "just say no"


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002RQ1TK.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Joe, this guy is Walter with a mean streak.

[BillsCAfan]

BCF... it's late here. Nice talking with ya. goodnight.

Later man. Goodnight.

BTW, I'm in your timezone too.

[uppy]

good night boys...it was a fun thread

[shiva2999]

Satan will come back and he will go by a #......I think its 2999,he will try
to fool people.


If you can accept that Jesus spoke to St Paul. a totally reprehensible man, through a vision on the road to Damascus, why can't you accept the idea he may be calling to you through me, an infinitely nicer person than Saul of Tarsus?

[SpikedLemonade]

I hope it was enlightening to the non-thinking crowd here.

[uppy]

If you can accept that Jesus spoke to St Paul. a totally reprehensible man, through a vision on the road to Damascus, why can't you accept the idea he may be calling to you through me, an infinitely nicer person than Saul of Tarsus?

999 is 666 upside down....I belive you may be an infinitely nicer person.

Time will tell.

[sukie]

A guy named Saul in a white "Taurus" clipped my front quarter panel once. That wasn't nice.

[uppy]

Was he from Canada ?

[shiva2999]

999 is 666 upside down....I belive you may be an infinitely nicer person.

Time will tell.

Indeed. Hopefully one of these days we'll get to discuss it with the man himself.

[uppy]

That would be nice...But,will the good Lord let us talk to him from Heaven ?

[shiva2999]

That would be nice...But,will the good Lord let us talk to him from Heaven ?

If not he'll be missing something.