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July 26th, 2006, 12:46:04 PM
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LCBO's new bottles spark old whine
Environmentalist says wine packages don't get recycled, end up going to landfill instead
But LCBO says boxed wines create less waste than ones in bottles
Jul. 26, 2006. 09:24 AM
NASREEN GULAMHUSEIN
STAFF REPORTER

The Liquor Control Board of Ontario has introduced 35 Tetra Pak wines into 600 Ontario stores since last year, citing environmental friendliness as its rationale. But some environmentalists say the packages just add to the huge volumes of landfill in the province.

In environmental terms, "Tetra Pak is the Hummer and glass is the bicycle," says Gord Perks, an activist with Toronto Environmental Alliance "I don't think we should even be allowing Tetra Pak to be used as a beverage container.

"The majority of the material in a Tetra Pak does not get recycled."

There is currently no recycling facility in Ontario for Tetra Paks. The only paper mill that handles the province's Tetra Pak recycling is in Michigan.

The Tetra Pak launch began last summer with French Rabbit wines and the LCBO expects to introduce about 35 more boxed wines in the coming year.

According to LCBO spokesperson Chris Layton, "It was the most successful wine launch ever, and consumers really embraced it."

Wineries that supply the LCBO are switching from glass to Tetra Paks because the package "creates 90 per cent less waste than the average glass bottle," says Lyle Clarke, project leader for LCBO's Environment Strategy. "Waste that doesn't exist is waste you don't have to recycle."

Perks argues the statistic is based on an internally run study by Tetra Pak.

"I've been working in waste management as an environmentalist for 20 years and I've never seen as spurious a claim as the LCBO's that these are truly recyclable packages."

A Tetra Pak is made up of three materials — thin plastic outside (20 per cent), aluminum inside (5 per cent) and a fibrous middle layer (75 per cent).

Perks says no technology exists to economically separate the layers on a mass scale.

Not so, says Christina Seidel, executive director of the Recycling Council of Alberta. She says such technology does exist but only if it's supported by a market to make the recycling economically feasible.

In Alberta, unlike Ontario, the cost of recycling Tetra Pak products is built into the purchase price, she says. "You pay what it costs to have your container recycled."

And, because there's a deposit return system for Tetra Paks, about 60 per cent of such packaging sold is recycled, says Seidel. However, although there are future plans for it, wine is currently not sold in Tetra Paks in Alberta.

When Tetra Paks go through the process of recycling, much of the recyclable material is lost. Due to a tedious soaking and separating process, cross-contamination between the layers often leaves them unrecyclable.

"The plastic layer, even if it was separated properly, can't be recycled at all," Perks says.

"It's a bad package. Glass is vastly easier to recycle than Tetra Pak."

Until this year, Tetra Pak products have been imported from Italy and the United States. But, on June 28, LanPak Inc., with support from Tetra Pak and the LCBO, opened Ontario's first Tetra Pak plant in Richmond Hill, focusing solely on packaging North American wines. A second facility, called Vinfirst Inc., will soon open in St. Catharines.

Tetra Pak president Evelyn Watson says in a news release that more than 2 billion litres of wine came in the company's containers around the world last year.

The LCBO says Ontario consumers have purchased nearly 1 million litres of wine in them in the past 10 months.

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dasaybz
July 26th, 2006, 12:51:26 PM
those look very similar to drink boxes ...
are people crying that drink boxes aren't recyclable?

nehemiah
July 26th, 2006, 12:52:39 PM
those are pretty kewl.

i don't understand why you would want wine to come from anything other than a glass bottle, though.

Gibby
July 26th, 2006, 1:20:21 PM
those are pretty kewl.

i don't understand why you would want wine to come from anything other than a glass bottle, though.

My appologies to Jeff Foxworthy but if you consume you go to walmart and bypass wine in bottles because you prefer the wine in a box you might be a redneck.

Lucidvizion
July 26th, 2006, 2:29:08 PM
i don't understand why you would want wine to come from anything other than a glass bottle, though.

+1 to that

jimmifli
July 26th, 2006, 3:04:39 PM
When diesel/gasoline carbon emissions from bottle transport is included in the calculations the TetraPaks come out on top in terms of impact to environment.

To recycle glass the bottles must travel from the consumer's home to the recycling sorting facility. From the sorting facility to the glass processor which cleans the good and re-melts (after 5-7 uses) the bad. From there the bottles go the distributor (sometimes these companies handle the previous step) and finally they are shipped to company that fills it with the beverage of your choice.

Glass is a bulky product and that is a lot of driving. The TetraPak website used to have a link to a study, the link is gone now so maybe the study was refuted.

Regardless, I don't think it's as cut and dry as the environmentalist indicated.

SpikedLemonade
July 26th, 2006, 3:12:37 PM
I drank boxed wine when I could NOT afford better.

The French Rabbit stuff is shit.

I was given 2 just open boxes to cook with only on two seperate occasions from my neighbour and my brother-in-law because they couldn't drink it.

I'm ready for plastic corks rather than real ones however.

г
July 26th, 2006, 3:16:28 PM
I buy Magnotta by the 16L boxes

SpikedLemonade
July 26th, 2006, 3:21:57 PM
I buy Magnotta by the 16L boxes

Yeah, I have a friend that does that and it is very drinkable.

г
July 26th, 2006, 3:27:48 PM
I can't stand homemade wine, especially when they make some crap white wine that's so sweet it sends you into insulin shock.

SpikedLemonade
July 26th, 2006, 3:32:24 PM
I can't stand homemade wine, especially when they make some crap white wine that's so sweet it sends you into insulin shock.

I won't drink a wine with a sugar content higher than 1 and prefer 0.

I like Saugavion Blanc.

I used to make my own wine and it was always very very dry.

The trick is to ensure the fermentation process does NOT stop until the yeast consumes as much sugar as possible.

г
July 26th, 2006, 3:59:16 PM
Do you remember Lonesome Charlie or Baby Duck ?

SpikedLemonade
July 26th, 2006, 4:18:35 PM
Do you remember Lonesome Charlie or Baby Duck ?

I remember Baby Duck since they made it just down the road from me on the QEW.

I don't think I ever drank the shit.

You have to remember that my father made 200 gallons of wine every year and my mother barely drank a drop.

He would send me down to the wine cellar to siphon or decant from oak barrels to a glass caraffe. If I came up with bubbles in the caraffe, I would get crap for an hour.

Mussolini had nothing on that bastard GOD bless his soul.

г
July 26th, 2006, 4:21:42 PM
LOL, my italian friends' dads used to make their homemade red wine and then bottle it using every available container they could get their hands on.

Ever had vino from an old Scope/Listerine bottle ?

SpikedLemonade
July 26th, 2006, 4:25:04 PM
LOL, my italian friends' dads used to make their homemade red wine and then bottle it using every available container they could get their hands on.

Ever had vino from an old Scope/Listerine bottle ?

That's sick.

NO self-respecting Italian would do that.

Had to be Southern Italian.

г
July 26th, 2006, 4:30:19 PM
It was hilarious...Scope bottles, vinegar bottles, A&W root beer bottles, windshield washer anti-freeze bottles...whatever was available and that they had a cap for.

I drew the line at drinking from a jug marked 'Prestone'

Meathead
July 26th, 2006, 8:47:43 PM
im just glad maddog 20/20 still comes in a bottle

г
July 26th, 2006, 8:57:35 PM
Well I'm off to grab a 3-bagger of homo