jim crow or diebold?

[nehemiah]

What's a bigger problem with American elections: disenfranchisment of minority voters or new electronic voting machines stealing votes?

Most people on the political left will answer electronic machines. But last week, House Republicans showed America exactly why old-school election thuggery is a far more pressing problem. In fact, it was Jim Crow tactics, not computer hacking, which gave George W. Bush his Ohio victory in 2004. And such tactics are exactly what a handful of southern GOP congressmen defended on Wednesday when they derailed renewing the National Voting Rights Act, complaining it does not end federal oversight of elections in their states and requires multilingual ballots.

These Republicans want elections in their states to return to the good old days, when mostly white people voted -- just substitute registered Republicans in 2006 -- and ballots were only in English -- no Español, por favor. Their grassroots rebellion reveals a dirty secret about elections that liberals and Democrats still haven't learned from the 2004 presidential race: The GOP wins elections by targeting likely Democrats, especially minorities and new voters, by creating barriers in voter registration and obstacles to voting itself and ballot counting.
http://www.alternet.org/story/38119/


who will be the first to post that the Voting Rights Act is no longer necessary?

[35Pete]

Homerism at its finest.

Who is "keeping" minorities from voting nehe? Who? Let's hear who the boogeyman is on this one.

[uppy]

"disenfranchisment of minority voters "

Before I can vote in the poll I need to see how the GOP does this...since it
was the GOP in the congress that helped LBJ pass the Civil rights act.

[nehemiah]

read the story pete. and kenneth blackwell is doing the same stuff as before.

but that's okay, racism DOES NOT EXIST in this country.

dr. martin luther king, jr. would have voted AGAINST the voting rights act b/c he knows that protecting the right of people of color to vote is actually racism against the white man.

keep your head in the sand, and nothing changes. it's all good, right? it only got george w. bush in office. that turned out wonderfully for everyone.

RACE CARD, mother****ers... it's been played. what?

let's rumble! :rockon:

[uppy]

I have a question ...if state law says felons don't have the right to vote
is that disenfranchisment ? Or if the state has a law that says you must
be a legal citizen to vote is that disenfranchisment ?

[nehemiah]

no, no, no, no upstart.

we're hashing this out. i'm sick of people getting pissy when real racism is discussed. i know it's a sensitive topic - but it ain't going away.

not renewing the voting rights act is RACIST, plain and simple.

let's discuss.

[uppy]

The Motor Voter bill ....you mean ?

[nehemiah]

:popcorn:

nehemiah is a patient man.

[JLB]

http://memory.loc.gov/learn/features/election/images/negrovot.gif

[uppy]

not renewing the voting rights act

Question are you talking about the The Motor Voter bill ?

[JLB]

Creating Jim Crow
Beginning with an explanation of the origin of the term Jim Crow, this essay focuses on the time period beginning with the post Reconstruction period through the late 1890s and the legalization of segregation.http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/history/history.htm

www.jimcrowhistory.org/history/history.htm - 44k

[ckg68]

Question are you talking about the The Motor Voter bill ?

Does it :censor:ing look like nehe's talking about Motor Voter?

To quote someone on "In Living Color" back in the day..."Are you out of your Vulcan mind?"

[nehemiah]

1965 Voting Rights Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act

[JLB]

http://memory.loc.gov/learn/features/election/images/negrovot.gif

This is the discussion LBJ's signing.

[nehemiah]

Creating Jim Crow
Beginning with an explanation of the origin of the term Jim Crow, this essay focuses on the time period beginning with the post Reconstruction period through the late 1890s and the legalization of segregation.http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/history/history.htm

www.jimcrowhistory.org/history/history.htm - 44kexcellent link, jlb. thanks for posting it.

[K-Gun]

I have a question ...if state law says felons don't have the right to vote
is that disenfranchisment ? Or if the state has a law that says you must
be a legal citizen to vote is that disenfranchisment ?

Disenfrancisment occurs when your name gets put on the felon list because you have the same last name as a convicted felon. In 2000, in Florida, that's all it took to have your right to vote stripped... IF you were black.

I saw the courtroom testimony with my own eyes, Jeb Bush paid millions to have blacks erased from the voter register. FACT

[Stealth01]

I saw the courtroom testimony with my own eyes, Jeb Bush paid millions to have blacks erased from the voter register. FACT

And I saw weapons of mass destruction in Iraq with my own eyes. FACT.

Not.

[JLB]

What's a bigger problem with American elections: disenfranchisment of minority voters or new electronic voting machines stealing votes?

Most people on the political left will answer electronic machines. But last week, House Republicans showed America exactly why old-school election thuggery is a far more pressing problem. In fact, it was Jim Crow tactics, not computer hacking, which gave George W. Bush his Ohio victory in 2004. And such tactics are exactly what a handful of southern GOP congressmen defended on Wednesday when they derailed renewing the National Voting Rights Act, complaining it does not end federal oversight of elections in their states and requires multilingual ballots.

These Republicans want elections in their states to return to the good old days, when mostly white people voted -- just substitute registered Republicans in 2006 -- and ballots were only in English -- no Español, por favor. Their grassroots rebellion reveals a dirty secret about elections that liberals and Democrats still haven't learned from the 2004 presidential race: The GOP wins elections by targeting likely Democrats, especially minorities and new voters, by creating barriers in voter registration and obstacles to voting itself and ballot counting.
http://www.alternet.org/story/38119/


who will be the first to post that the Voting Rights Act is no longer necessary?


Both are wrong equally.
Everybodies vote should be counted.
Unless by law their rights have been removed.
I worked with a guy that lost his right to vote.
Served some time don't know all the details.
He wanted to vote as I remember in the 92 election.
He wanted to vote for Ross Perot you know the guy measure twice cut once.
All legally casts ballots should be counted.
I hope everybody agrees with that.
No dead people,cats, dogs,goldfish etc.etc.etc.

[nehemiah]

like i said... RACISM DOES NOT EXIST, PEOPLE.

LIBERAL MYTH NUMERO UNO put forth to keep people of color down, man.

[Stealth01]

Funny, but I haven't seen a SINGLE person here actually argue that racism doesn't exist. Yet drama-boys on the left state it as FACT that some are arguing that point.

Man, you guys should look into the soap operas with all your drama-queen BS.

Of course it exists. The question has simply become "how institutionalized is it in one part versus the other?"

[JLB]

Honest question anybody please respond.

Can a black man or woman be racist?

[nehemiah]

Funny, but I haven't seen a SINGLE person here actually argue that racism doesn't exist. Yet drama-boys on the left state it as FACT that some are arguing that point.

Man, you guys should look into the soap operas with all your drama-queen BS.

Of course it exists. The question has simply become "how institutionalized is it in one part versus the other?"went quicker than usual to the personal attacks. that's kewl though. had to happen sooner or later.

so we don't need the voting rights act? it's not institutional racism to block the re-up of the voting rights act?

but it's just drama, eh? yeah... okey dokey. :rofl:

[nehemiah]

Honest question anybody please respond.

Can a black man or woman be racist?yes.

[uppy]

Does it :censor:ing look like nehe's talking about Motor Voter?

To quote someone on "In Living Color" back in the day..."Are you out of your

Vulcan mind?"

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/nvra/activ_nvra.htm

MY Question... is this the bill in Neh link...."National Voting Rights Act of 1993"

Also knowed as the "moter voter bill"?...thats what my vulcan mind wants to
know Carl.

Their is a differnce between the act of 1964 and 1993.

[JLB]

Without question racism does exist. But like it was stated earlier I think we all acknowledge this to be the case. I'm sure we have all seen this crap happen to a friend or colleague I have.In the workplace or out on a golfcourse or at a restaurant.

[K-Gun]

And I saw weapons of mass destruction in Iraq with my own eyes. FACT.

Not.

There's this thing called C-Span. Sometimes they play courtroom testimony. I happened to see an executive from DBT, the company paid 4.3 million dollars to compile Florida’s felons list testify. Pretty interesting stuff. In black counties, and only in black counties, his company was ordered to list anyone on the list who shared the same first initial and the same last name. Age or sex differences were to be ignored, again ,this was only in counties with 85% plus black population.

[nehemiah]

it's the 1965 version.

[г]

Remember to phrase your answer in the form of a question, in iambic pentameter

[uppy]

it's the 1965 version.

Thankyou ...so you are saying that congress is trying to derailed renewing the National Voting Rights Act of 1965 and not the "Moter Voter Bill"

[Stealth01]

Not a single personal attack in there, Neh. I referred to "drama boys on the left" and "you guys" (which referred back to drama boys on the left), with not a single reference to single out anyone. If you toss yourself into the "drama boys on the left" group, that's your own insecurity speaking, not a personal attack. An experienced mod would know the difference, but that's OK. You'll learn.

Anyway, please also note that I never said it was not institutionalized in the Republican party, never denied any of this happened. My argument is against the extremist hate-language of "racism doesn't exist," whe NO ONE on this board has claimed that it does not. It's YOU distorting the FACTS again. It's a lame tactic used in laziness and undermines the credibility of your otherwise salient argument.

[JLB]

yes.

I'm sorry I can't remember who.
It was an interview I was watching a prominent black man was saying it's not possible for a black man or woman to be racist.


I agree with you.
I am positive in fact.
I was told by a black friend that I worked with for over 25 years.

Needless to say it's a difficult topic but hell it exists all over and the race doesn't matter.

I hope I was clear this subject is a powerful one.
My 2 cents.

[uppy]

There's this thing called C-Span. Sometimes they play courtroom testimony. I happened to see an executive from DBT, the company paid 4.3 million dollars to compile Florida’s felons list testify. Pretty interesting stuff. In black counties, and only in black counties, his company was ordered to list anyone on the list who shared the same first initial and the same last name. Age or sex differences were to be ignored, again ,this was only in counties with 85% plus black population.

Is it legal for felons to vote in FLA. ?

[Stealth01]

There's this thing called C-Span. Sometimes they play courtroom testimony. I happened to see an executive from DBT, the company paid 4.3 million dollars to compile Florida’s felons list testify. Pretty interesting stuff. In black counties, and only in black counties, his company was ordered to list anyone on the list who shared the same first initial and the same last name. Age or sex differences were to be ignored, again ,this was only in counties with 85% plus black population.

So you saw PART of a trial ON TV, and that's evidence enough for you?

Again, this may very well have happened, but until ALL the facts are known, drawing assumptions is simply JUMPING to conclusions that could well be wrong.

[Stealth01]

Is it legal for felons to vote in FLA. ?

If not, half the population probably can't vote. And the rest of the population's too old to find the voting booth.

[nehemiah]

Not a single personal attack in there, Neh. I referred to "drama boys on the left" and "you guys" (which referred back to drama boys on the left), with not a single reference to single out anyone. If you toss yourself into the "drama boys on the left" group, that's your own insecurity speaking, not a personal attack. An experienced mod would know the difference, but that's OK. You'll learn.

Anyway, please also note that I never said it was not institutionalized in the Republican party, never denied any of this happened. My argument is against the extremist hate-language of "racism doesn't exist," whe NO ONE on this board has claimed that it does not. It's YOU distorting the FACTS again. It's a lame tactic used in laziness and undermines the credibility of your otherwise salient argument.this post is funny b/c you do the same thing you get all "crotchety old guy" about.

perhaps a more experienced poster would see this?

:dunno:

you da man, stealth!

:guy:

[Stealth01]

this post is funny b/c you do the same thing you get all "crotchety old guy" about.

perhaps a more experienced poster would see this?

:dunno:

you da man, stealth!

:guy:

I'm entitled to being a crotchety old guy, damn it. I take lipitor and arthritis medicine, after all!

[nehemiah]

i had some baker's cysts pop behind my knee. no more hockey for nehemiah.

does that count?

[г]

If you played any longer, you would have been a twisted cyster

[K-Gun]

So you saw PART of a trial ON TV, and that's evidence enough for you?

Again, this may very well have happened, but until ALL the facts are known, drawing assumptions is simply JUMPING to conclusions that could well be wrong.

Seeing the exec from the company paid 4.3 million dollars admitt it was enough for me, yup. Boy, I must be real dumb. Jeb would never hook his brother up like that, that boy has scruples.

[Stealth01]

Hey, seeing Ken Lay say in court then that he knew NOTHING about ENRON's financial troubles should convince you too, eh? Because you know, those execs NEVER lie...and the dems would NEVER try to set up the right to look bad....

:rolleyes2:

[uppy]

Jeb could be your next Prez

[Stealth01]

Jeb could be your next Prez

I hope not. I never thought I'd say this, but "I'm tired of too much Bush."

[uppy]

Bush is good for you

[Stealth01]

And just to toss out some NON-BIASED, NON-DRAMA-QUEEN info on this, no one is trying to cancel the Voting Rights Act. Some states want to delay its renewal in order to update its wording. Georgia wants to be able to change their voting procedures without having to get preclearance from the Dept o Justice. THey probably want to upgrade from writing the name of the person you vote for on bark to putting an X in a box beside their name on paper. With a PICTURE, of course.

And one politically motivated moron wants to remove the phraseology that requires translators and/or bi-lingual ballots for people who don't speak English. He's just playing the current politics in order to garner votes from his base. NO ONE is talking about returning to Jim Crow. But the drama-queen-left would couch it that way because it diverts attention from FACTS.

[nehemiah]

Hey, seeing Ken Lay say in court then that he knew NOTHING about ENRON's financial troubles should convince you too, eh? Because you know, those execs NEVER lie...and the dems would NEVER try to set up the right to look bad....:guy:

welcome to sukie/upstart territory. how's the view? :D

[nehemiah]

And just to toss out some NON-BIASED, NON-DRAMA-QUEEN info on this, no one is trying to cancel the Voting Rights Act. Some states want to delay its renewal in order to update its wording. Georgia wants to be able to change their voting procedures without having to get preclearance from the Dept o Justice. THey probably want to upgrade from writing the name of the person you vote for on bark to putting an X in a box beside their name on paper. With a PICTURE, of course.

And one politically motivated moron wants to remove the phraseology that requires translators and/or bi-lingual ballots for people who don't speak English. He's just playing the current politics in order to garner votes from his base. NO ONE is talking about returning to Jim Crow. But the drama-queen-left would couch it that way because it diverts attention from FACTS.:link:

[Stealth01]

:link:

Uhm...try the WIKIPEDIA article you posted. LOL.

[nehemiah]

Uhm...try the WIKIPEDIA article you posted. LOL.if that's what you're talking about, you mis represented the wikipedia article.

[Stealth01]

if that's what you're talking about, you mis represented the wikipedia article.

Then let me quote it directly.

As of 2006, however, a number of Republican lawmakers have acted to delay renewal of the Act. One group of lawmakers led by Georgia congressman Lynn Westmoreland, come from some pre-clearance states, and claim that it is no longer fair to target their states given the passage of time since 1967. Another group supports an amendment offered by Steve King of Iowa, seeking to strip provisions from the Act that require that translators or multilingual ballots be provided for U.S. citizens who do not speak English.

Please do not mistake my explanation of these issues as agreement with them. I do not support either, but neither do I see either as an attempt to return to Jim Crow.

Further:

Section 5 of the Act requires that the United States Department of Justice "preclear" any "covered jurisdiction"'s attempt to change a voting standard, practice or procedure. Section 5, as currently authorized by Congress, stays in effect until July 1, 2007. The burden of proof under current Section 5 jurisprudence is on the state governmental body to establish that the proposed change does not have a retrogressive purpose.

So basically, Georgia is saying they no longer meet the original requirements that made them a "covered" state and should be allowed to change their standards, practices, or procedures without DOJ oversight.

Show me the misrepresentation WITHOUT the melodramatic overgeneralizations and unsupported accusations, please.

[nehemiah]

the misrepresentation lies in the minimization.

and explain how the removal of DOJ oversight does not cancel the act?

it's a federal act... you remove the federal parts of it and you do what, exactly?

[Stealth01]

The movements would only remove DOJ oversight from ONE of the nine states currently covered. That's not cancellation--it's reduction.

And I am not minimizing anything. I'm just not buying your bullshit overreaction to it.

And neither measure will pass anyway.

[nehemiah]

no - if they don't re-up the act, it removes federal oversight from all of the states.

and i am not over-reacting... i just get pretty pissed when civil rights are ****ed with.

:dunno:

[Stealth01]

Again, take off the blue-colored glasses and READ carefully. They are trying to DELAY (you know, like the corrupt POS in Texas) the passage, NOT cancel. DELAY. Slow down. Make later.

Relax. You're overreacting, Chicken Little.

[nehemiah]

am i experienced enough to see that personal attack?

almost made it through 2 pages.

you da man, stealth!

:rofl:

[uppy]

the misrepresentation lies in the minimization.

and explain how the removal of DOJ oversight does not cancel the act?

it's a federal act... you remove the federal parts of it and you do what, exactly?

Are you saying that states need to have the federal goverment inpose
its will on the states?

[Stealth01]

Oh come on. Chicken Little is a personal attack? Somebody's having some PMS.

[Stealth01]

Are you saying that states need to have the federal goverment inpose
its will on the states?

Only the ones with Republican Congressmen. The Democratic-reprsented states are OK as long as you slip the rep $90K for his freezer from time to time.

[nehemiah]

Oh come on. Chicken Little is a personal attack? Somebody's having some PMS.i'm experienced enough to know that it is a personal attack.

i'm not doing anything other than pointing it out. so no one get sanctimonious.

i like flinging poo around. it's fun.

:poop:

[Stealth01]

Then the following are also personal attacks:

"Losmaniacs"
"Holcombites"
"Right wing nut jobs"
"Moonbats"

And so on. It was no more an attack than the things Shiva repeatedly tosses around that you guys excuse as NOT attacks. So make up your minds.

[nehemiah]

Are you saying that states need to have the federal goverment inpose
its will on the states?so you're saying the voting rights act was what, exactly?

14th amendment, upstart. go check it out, homie.

[nehemiah]

Then the following are also personal attacks:

"Losmaniacs"
"Holcombites"
"Right wing nut jobs"
"Moonbats"

And so on. It was no more an attack than the things Shiva repeatedly tosses around that you guys excuse as NOT attacks. So make up your minds.well, who's the drama queen now?

you da man, stealth! :D

[uppy]

Then the following are also personal attacks:

"Losmaniacs"
"Holcombites"
"Right wing nut jobs"
"Moonbats"

And so on. It was no more an attack than the things Shiva repeatedly tosses around that you guys excuse as NOT attacks. So make up your minds.

"Losmaniacs"
"Holcombites"
"Right wing nut jobs"
"Moonbats"

Are just the Coin of the Realm.BTW ,Chris "moonbats" is not a attack just the
truth.:)

[shiva2999]

It was no more an attack than the things Shiva repeatedly tosses around that you guys excuse as NOT attacks.

"The thermometer of success is merely the jealousy of the malcontents." ~ Salvador Dali

[shiva2999]

Losmaniacs isn't a personal attack.

It's a term of endearment.

[Stealth01]

"Losmaniacs"
"Holcombites"
"Right wing nut jobs"
"Moonbats"

Are just the Coin of the Realm.BTW ,Chris "moonbats" is not a attack just the
truth.

My point was that few people intend or take them as attacks. Chicken Little was meant to represent the paranoid, over-exaggerated manner in which Neh and his allies present issues. With great fanfare and drama. Got a mole hill? Present it as Mt Everest and watch the righties go ballistic! To hell with constructive dialogue, let's just turn up the volume and scream some more nonsense!

It shows an extreme lack of direction, and is indicative of a HUGE intellectual laziness.

well, who's the drama queen now?

you da man, stealth!

Well, at least it was in language you understood, then, though it was meant merely for comparitive purposes in making a point.

Face it, Neh--you throw out grossly overstated positions in order to deflect logical arguments from your opposition. It's lame.

[Stealth01]

"The thermometer of success is merely the jealousy of the malcontents." ~ Salvador Dali

Who invited you to this thread?:duel:

[Stealth01]

Losmaniacs isn't a personal attack.

It's a term of endearment.

LOL. I almost called it that, too. Damn. I'm starting to think like Shiva?

Time to go take my prozac.

[shiva2999]

Who invited you to this thread?:duel:

You started whining about me first.

[Stealth01]

You started whining about me first.

You should feel honored. I was using you as a common reference point, felt to be understood and recognized by most people on the Range and thus useful in compare-and-contrast arguments.

[uppy]

"The thermometer of success is merely the jealousy of the malcontents." ~ Salvador Dali


The optimist proclaims we life in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimists fears this is true."
- James Cabel

[shiva2999]

You should feel honored. I was using you as a common reference point, felt to be understood and recognized by most people on the Range and thus useful in compare-and-contrast arguments.

Any comparisons to me are absurd.

You guys have no idea what you're dealing with here.

[uppy]

You started whining about me first.

Were you high last nigh ?

[nehemiah]

My point was that few people intend or take them as attacks. Chicken Little was meant to represent the paranoid, over-exaggerated manner in which Neh and his allies present issues. With great fanfare and drama. Got a mole hill? Present it as Mt Everest and watch the righties go ballistic! To hell with constructive dialogue, let's just turn up the volume and scream some more nonsense!

It shows an extreme lack of direction, and is indicative of a HUGE intellectual laziness.

Well, at least it was in language you understood, then, though it was meant merely for comparitive purposes in making a point.

Face it, Neh--you throw out grossly overstated positions in order to deflect logical arguments from your opposition. It's lame.this post is full of nothing but hot air.

the best you can offer is "hey, don't worry about it, chicken little"? talk about lazy. and then you accuse others of doing the same thing you get pissy about?

you da man, stealth!

:guy:

[shiva2999]

The optimist proclaims we life in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimists fears this is true."
- James Cabel

Stop being such a pessimist. It's boring.

[shiva2999]

Were you high last nigh ?

Satan doesn't allow me to self medicate on the job.

[Stealth01]

this post is full of nothing but hot air.

the best you can offer is "hey, don't worry about it, chicken little"? talk about lazy. and then you accuse others of doing the same thing you get pissy about?

you da man, stealth!

:guy:

Whatever, CL. I CLOSED with the CL comment, after a long, drawn-out explanation. But you chose to stick to your "Sky is falling" view of the situation. Not my fault you don't get it...or are unwilling to admit you do. After all, it's much more fun to turn it into jim crow over-dramatized bullshit than admit that it's plain old boring politics and will likely fade away quickly.

It's time for me to sleep now. That 4 a.m. rise time haunts me. Try not to have a panic attack before I come back.

[Stealth01]

Any comparisons to me are absurd.

You guys have no idea what you're dealing with here.

Oh, I think I know. It involves a trailer, a dialup connection, and a 486DX computer. :D

[nehemiah]

Whatever, CL. I CLOSED with the CL comment, after a long, drawn-out explanation. But you chose to stick to your "Sky is falling" view of the situation. Not my fault you don't get it...or are unwilling to admit you do. After all, it's much more fun to turn it into jim crow over-dramatized bullshit than admit that it's plain old boring politics and will likely fade away quickly.

It's time for me to sleep now. That 4 a.m. rise time haunts me. Try not to have a panic attack before I come back.good night.

:zzz:

[JLB]

this post is full of nothing but hot air.

the best you can offer is "hey, don't worry about it, chicken little"? talk about lazy. and then you accuse others of doing the same thing you get pissy about?

you da man, stealth!

:guy:

:bbq2: :poke: :popcorn:

NO not yet this back and forth is awesome.

[uppy]

Stop being such a pessimist. It's boring.

I am always happy.....you are the one that sees a dark cloud about the
world with your posts.I wish it was not the case...I would love to see
you post a "happy thought" before I die.

[shiva2999]

Oh, I think I know. It involves a trailer, a dialup connection, and a 486DX computer. :D

I wish.

[shiva2999]

I am always happy.....you are the one that sees a dark cloud about the
world with your posts.I wish it was not the case...I would love to see
you post a "happy thought" before I die.

You're always happy cuz you like killing people.

You've got the hardest heart here dude.

[uppy]

You're always happy cuz you like killing people.

You've got the hardest heart here dude.


I have a good heart,and the killing people shot was over the top.No one
in the military kills people...thay do their job.

[shiva2999]

I have a good heart,and the killing people shot was over the top.No one
in the military kills people...thay do their job.

That's disassociation. A characteristic of sociopaths.

You advocate killing innocent people to advance your country's interests uppy.

Takes a pretty black heart.

[uppy]

That's disassociation. A characteristic of sociopaths.

You advocate killing innocent people to advance your country's interests uppy.

Takes a pretty black heart.


I advocate the defense of my country Shiva,we were attacked....I know
you think GWB did it....but the rest of us have to deal with facts.


(That's A characteristic of sociopaths)


In war people die ...bottom line no "disassociation "here I have seen what
war does..its ugly and I wish it on on one.

[JoeMama]

I think that people who vote are a little bit... fruity.