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ticatfan3
July 6th, 2006, 12:40:58 PM
is on a roll,things are happening.Imagine politicians acually doing anything in this country.http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/07/06/1671204-cp.html

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July 6th, 2006, 12:59:53 PM
Hey Ticat, you do realize that the Newfoundland Cod Fishery closed in 1992 because of rampant overfishing (under a Conservative Government) & has only been open on a limited basis because of lack of recovery of fish stocks.

Don't try to pawn this problem off on the Liberals...it seems it was a hold-over from the Mulroney dark ages.

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July 6th, 2006, 1:06:49 PM
Listen to John Crosby on the same issue

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDCC-1-73-1595-10954/politics_economy/cod_economy/

ticatfan3
July 6th, 2006, 1:09:19 PM
Those days are over and you can blame mulroney for some of the probelms,but the libs have ran this country more then anybody ,so yes you can blame them for most of it. But times have changed and we have a real leader now. As in he is not a lawyer or rich.

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July 6th, 2006, 1:16:24 PM
So, Ticat, let's talk about that piece of crap article that you posted.

Listen to Crosbie's interview & tell me how you would plan to board foreign ships for inspection outside our 200 mile nautical limit without a declaration of war ?

Your ignorance is staggering....

Crosbie's a Conservative, BTW.

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July 6th, 2006, 1:28:08 PM
It's well known/documented that the Department of Fisheries under Mulroney repeatedly ignored warnings from the scientific community that the cod stocks were depleting

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDCC-1-73-1595-10953/politics_economy/cod_economy/

ticatfan3
July 6th, 2006, 1:41:20 PM
It's well known/documented that the Department of Fisheries under Mulroney repeatedly ignored warnings from the scientific community that the cod stocks were depleting

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDCC-1-73-1595-10953/politics_economy/cod_economy/Yes, I agree.But they did not start the minute he took over.

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July 6th, 2006, 1:44:27 PM
Mulroney/Crosby wear this problem. At least Crosby has the balls to admit that.

Now go take your ignorant rant elsewhere.

ticatfan3
July 6th, 2006, 1:47:21 PM
So, Ticat, let's talk about that piece of crap article that you posted.

Listen to Crosbie's interview & tell me how you would plan to board foreign ships for inspection outside our 200 mile nautical limit without a declaration of war ?

Your ignorance is staggering....

Crosbie's a Conservative, BTW.You just do it. It is about time we showed some back bone in this country. I am at the wrong comp,this one does not have speakers,so I can not listen to it. I would like to hear what he said.Now I know you would not understand what having a backbone is ,but that is what this country needs.

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July 6th, 2006, 1:50:02 PM
So you're advocating illegal boarding/piracy in international waters ?

Again, your ignorance is staggering.

ticatfan3
July 6th, 2006, 3:44:20 PM
So you're advocating illegal boarding/piracy in international waters ?

Again, your ignorance is staggering.Lets get back to the topic,now tell me what did chretien and martin do about it,NOTHING.

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July 6th, 2006, 3:52:03 PM
Again, your ignorance is staggering....

I can give you past 1996, if you'd like

Mar. 10, 1993 Federal government outlines a new licensing and allocation scheme in the fishery which would involve the creation of two boards - one Atlantic and one Pacific. The Newfoundland government denounces the federal plan.

Mar. 31, 1993 Newfoundland government releases a policy framework paper CHANGING TIDES promoting joint fisheries management.
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Apr. 19-23, The organizational session of the United Nations 1993 Conference on Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks takes place in New York.

May 13, 1993 Legislation (Bill C-129) is tabled in the House of Commons to create the two independent fishery boards as outlined on March 10, 1993.

June 18, 1993 Crosbie reports that the Scientific Council of NAFO confirmed a decline in the northern cod stock.
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June 23, 1993 Federal minister of fisheries, John Crosbie, retires.

June 25, 1993 Ross Reid succeeds John Crosbie as federal minister of fisheries.

July 6, 1993 REPORT ON THE STATUS OF GROUNDFISH STOCKS is released by the Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans. Indicates that the northern cod stock may not recover until the end of the decade.
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July 12-30, U.N. Conference on Straddling Fish Stocks and 1993 Highly Migratory Fish Stocks is held in New York. Canada proposes a draft convention that "contains legally binding obligations regarding conservation and enforcement, as well as compulsory dispute settlement." (Ross Reid)
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July 28, 1993 Paul Watson, Head of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, is charged with mischief and reckless endangerment of a Cuban fishing vessel. He was protesting foreign overfishing outside the 200 mile limit.

Aug. 2, 1993 A demonstration is held in St. John's by FORCE (Fishers Organized for the Revitalization of Communities and Ecosystems) in support of Paul Watson's efforts to halt overfishing.

Aug. 23, 1993 The Fisheries Resource Conservation Council releases a report recommending closure of the cod fishery off the south coast, reductions in TACs for other fish, and a moratorium on the recreational cod fishery off the east coast
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Aug. 26, 1993 Ross Reid releases a second report from the FRCC which calls for an international moratorium on groundfish stocks that straddle the 200-mile limit.

Aug. 26, 1993 Premier Clyde Wells delivers a statement on fisheries management at the Annual Premiers' Conference, Baddeck, N.S. (WEEK IN REVIEW)

Aug. 31, 1993 Ross Reid announces the closure of the fishery off the south coast of Newfoundland (3PS), the eastern Scotian shelf, the southern Gulf of St. Lawrence and Sydney Bight.

Sept. 3, 1993 Angry fishery workers demonstrate in Fortune because of a dispute over scallop grounds off St. Pierre - Miquelon. Another group protesting closure of the south coast fishery trashes a federal fisheries office in Grand Bank.

Sept. 6-10, At its meeting in Halifax, NAFO extends the 1993 moratorium on fishing for northern cod (2J3KL) outside 200 miles to the end of 1994, but ignores the FRCC's call for a ban on fishing cod on the tail of the Grand Banks. Sets a 6000 tonne cod quota instead.

Sept. 13, 1993 Ross Reid announces that displaced fisherman who qualify for unemployment insurance can take part in make-work projects to tide them over until November when benefits kick in.

Sept. 18, 1993 Ross Reid announces changes in assistance for fishermen who have qualified for fishermen's unemployment insurance but are without income until Nov. 15th as a result of fishery closures. Measures to manage continuing Atlantic groundfish fisheries and protect vulnerable stocks in closed areas were also announced.

Oct. 1, 1993 The Fisheries Crisis Alliance, a coalition of church groups, municipalities, development associations, unions and fishery organizations, releases a petition calling for the restoration of fish stocks. It is expected to be presented to the Prime Minister on November 14th in St. John's.

Oct. 20, 1993 A national campaign called No Fish, No Future is launched by the Canadian Ocean Caucus, an alliance made up of about 50 environmental groups across Canada.

Oct. 30, 1993 The Nova Scotia government rejects Premier Wells' joint federal-provincial management scheme.

Nov. 4, 1993 Brian Tobin is sworn in as federal fisheries minister with the new Liberal government.

Nov. 29, 1993 The Fisheries Resource Conservation Council recommends that the northern cod moratorium be extended through 1994 and that it should include the cod fisheries in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and areas off Nova Scotia.
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Dec. 6, 1993 Richard Cashin's Final Report of the Task Force on Incomes and Adjustments in the Atlantic Fishery is released: CHARTING A NEW COURSE: TOWARDS THE FISHERY OF THE FUTURE. It recommends continuing federal aid beyond May 1994 and making changes to the UI system.
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Dec. 20, 1993 Brian Tobin announces the 1994 ATLANTIC GROUNDFISH MANAGEMENT PLAN. The northern cod moratorium will be continued indefinitely. The only cod fishery in Atlantic Canada in 1994 will be the western Scotian Shelf area and the Georges Bank area in the Southern Gulf of St. Lawrence.
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Dec. 20, 1993 Federal Defence Minister David Collenette suggests that the navy may be called in to deal with those accused of overfishing outside Canada's 200-mile limit.

Jan. 11, 1994 Brian Tobin meets with Yannis Paleokrassas, European Union fisheries commissioner and asks for help in dealing with boats from European countries which avoid catch restrictions outside Canada's 200-mile zone by reflagging their boats in Panama, Honduras and Belize. The EC agrees to join Canada, Japan and Russia in the surveillance of European countries that fly these "flags of convenience".

Jan. 18, 1994 The Liberal government reiterates a promise in its Throne Speech to end foreign overfishing of the East Coast fish stocks.

Jan. 31, 1994 Ottawa bans the recreational cod fishery off southern Labrador and the island's northeast and south coasts. Fishing cod for personal consumption is no longer allowed.

Feb. 17, 1994 NAFO votes for a one-year international moratorium on fishing southern Grand Banks cod. Three of the eleven members abstain from voting - Denmark, Norway and the European Union.

Feb. 22, 1994 Ottawa budgets $1.9 billion over five years for fishery relief. Payments are expected to average between $270 and $285 a week under the new program - compared to average weekly cheques of $300 under the current package which expires May 15th.

Feb. 25, 1994 Prime Minister Chretien is presented with a petition in St. John's calling for the restoration of cod stocks. The signatures were collected by the Fisheries Crisis Alliance.

Mar. 14, 1994 Tobin addresses a United Nations conference on fish stocks, calling for a convention with binding regulations to halt overfishing on the high seas.

Mar. 30, 1994 A teleconference takes place between a House of Commons committee in Ottawa chaired by Ron MacDonald and fishermen in St. John's. Advice is sought concerning the new $1.9 billion, five-year fisheries aid package.

Apr. 2, 1994 DFO officials seize the Kristina Logos, a trawler flying the Panamanian flag, in fishing area 3NO - an area placed under NAFO moratorium on February 17th.

Apr. 12, 1994 The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans chaired by Ron MacDonald presents its report on ATLANTIC FISHERIES ADJUSTMENT PROGRAMS.
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Apr. 19, 1994 Fisheries Minister Brian Tobin and Human Resources Minister Lloyd Axworthy announce a new fish aid program, The Atlantic Groundfish Strategy (TAGS). It will replace the Northern Cod Adjustment and Recovery Program (NCARP) and the Atlantic Groundfish Adjustment Program (AGAP) as of May 16th. The 5-year, $1.9 billion package is aimed at reducing the number of fishery workers who currently depend on NCARP from 30,000 to 7,000. Industry renewal boards in each province will be responsible for downsizing the Atlantic groundfish industry. Maximum weekly payments will drop by six per cent.
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Apr. 27, 1994 Tobin lifts a two-year old freeze on more than 3,000 groundfish licenses in Atlantic Canada. They will be returned to fishermen who are considered professionals according to standards developed by the government and various industry sectors.

Apr. 28, 1994 Premier Wells meets with Prime Minister Chretien and asks for immediate action in halting foreign overfishing outside Canada's 200-mile limit.

May 4, 1994 New regulations come into force requiring that Canadian fishing vessels operating on the highseas or in the waters of another country be licensed by Canada (SOR/94-296, 1994 Canada Gazette Part II, p. 1819)

May 10, 1994 Tobin tables legislation which will give Canada authority to stop vessels suspected of fishing illegally beyond its 200-mile limit and to arrest flag-of-convenience and stateless vessels fishing for endangered fish stocks. It will allow Canada to identify the straddling stocks in danger, enact conservation regulations and compile a list of vessels against which these regulations will be enforced. (See Bill C-29: An Act to amend the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act)

May 26, 1994 Canada ratifies a new international agreement to prevent overfishing on the high seas. Under the agreement, ships flying the Canadian flag must obey the conservation regulations set by international fisheries organizations.

June 16-17, The 20th annual meeting of Eastern Canadian 1994 premiers and New England governors is held in St. John's. A main resolution calls on Canada and the United States to extend their jurisdictions over highseas fishing grounds if a United Nations conference later this summer fails to prevent overfishing by the Europeans.

June 28, 1994 The REPORT ON THE STATUS OF GROUNDFISH STOCKS IN THE CANADIAN NORTHWEST ATLANTIC is released. The northern cod stock declined during 1993.
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July 7, 1994 A new survey of northern cod stocks shows that for the first time in the 1990s, the number of cod has not declined and a new aggregation of juvenile cod was discovered in the Hamilton Banks area.

July 21, 1994 Tobin announces that the cod food fishery will reopen for two specified days per week between August 26th and September 30th.

August 15-26, 1994 A United Nations Conference on Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Species is held in New York. It ends with a draft treaty that would regulate fishing on the high seas and an agreement to continue negotiations into 1995 to make it legally binding.

Aug. 24, 1994 Tobin announces the rules for the cod food fishery. It will operate Friday and Saturday of each week from August 26th until September 24th. No licence is needed but there's a daily bag limit of 10 fish per person and only handlines or angling gear is allowed.

Aug. 26, 1994 Clyde Wells restructures the Department of Fisheries. It absorbs the agricultural component of the former Dept. of Forestry and Agriculture to become the Dept. of Fisheries, Food and Agriculture headed by Bud Hulan. A new emphasis will be placed on product development, manufacturing and market promotion.

Sept. 17, 1994 Tobin decides the food fishery will close after today instead of the 24th.

Sept. 19-23, NAFO holds its meeting in Dartmouth. It agrees to 1994 continue the moratorium on northern cod and flounder on the Grand Banks.

Sept. 20-23, The Coastal Zone Canada 1994 Conference is held in 1994 Halifax with the declining Atlantic fishery as a major topic.

Oct. 14, 1994 Tobin announces the establishment of Harvesting Adjustment Boards to reduce harvesting capacity in the Atlantic groundfish industry. Richard Cashin is chair of the Newfoundland Board.

Oct. 19, 1994 The Fisheries Council of Canada releases a report that recommends that the Atlantic fishery be run as a business : BUILDING A FISHERY THAT WORKS: A VISION FOR THE ATLANTIC FISHERIES.
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Oct 27, 1994 John Anderson, head of fisheries ecology for the federal Fisheries department's regional office reports at the Symposium on Biology and Ecology of Northwest Atlantic Cod that for the first time in years, scientists have found young cod off Newfoundland's northeastern coast.
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Nov. 8, 1994 The FRCC reports that the northern cod stock continued to decline in 1993 and recommends closing the caplin fishery and "significantly reducing" all seal populations: CONSERVATION: STAY THE COURSE.
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Dec. 21, 1994 Tobin announces the 1995 Atlantic Groundfish Management Plan which adopts most of the conservation recommendations made by the Fisheries Resource Conservation Council.

Jan. 9, 1995 Canada and Norway make a tentative agreement which would allow the arrest of each other's vessels if found fishing illegally outside of each other's 200- mile zones. They also agree to bar any country's trawlers from their ports if the ships violated the other country's rules.

Jan. 24, 1995 DFO reports that the latest research surveys of fishing grounds off northeastern Newfoundland and Labrador indicate the northern cod stock has virtually disappeared.

Feb. 21, 1995 The premiers of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, P.E.I. and Newfoundland agree that Canada should resist any action by the European Union to fish turbot, other than in accordance with the NAFO decision. They express strong support for the Government of Canada taking any action Canadian laws permit to ensure that the turbot resource on the Grand Banks is not fished at levels in excess of the quotas established by NAFO. (WEEK IN REVIEW)

March 9, 1995 DFO officials arrest and seize the Spanish trawler Estai for overfishing turbot outside Canada's 200- mile limit.

Mar. 12, 1995 The captain of the Estai is charged with illegally fishing turbot, obstructing a fishery officer, destroying fishing gear and failing to stop the Estai.

Mar. 15, 1995 The Estai is released on $500,000 bond. Its nets which were cut from the vessel prior to being seized are found. They show that undersized fish were caught with illegal gear.

Mar. 26, 1995 Canadian fisheries officers cut the nets of a Spanish trawler, Pescamaro Uno, with a warp cutter.

Mar. 27, 1995 The United Nations Conference on Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Stocks is held in New York. Brian Tobin and Clyde Wells show journalists the nets from the Estai.

Apr. 15, 1995 Canada and the European Union reach an agreement to conserve and protect stocks that straddle Canada's 200-mile limit. This resolves the dispute over the fishing of Greenland halibut. The Canada - EU Control and Enforcement Agreement includes the following: independent, full-time observers on board vessels at all times; enhanced surveillance via satellite tracking; increased inspections and quick reporting of infractions; verification of gear and catch records; timely and significant penalties to deter violations; new minimum fish size limits; and improved dockside monitoring.

May 1995 DFO scientists locate a large school of cod estimated at between 10,000 and 20,000 tonnes in Smith Sound, Trinity Bay (Division 3L). Older, spawning cod make up part of the stock.

June 16, 1995 Brian Tobin and Clyde Wells announce a five-year $100 million Economic Renewal Program to be cost-shared by the federal and provincial governments. Will target specific sectors outside the traditional fishery that offer the most growth potential over the medium to long term.

June 28, 1995 Brian Tobin announces the results of a study showing that seals feed on 6.9 million tonnes of fish and other prey annually. Cod make up about three per cent (88,000 tonnes) of the harp seal diet in Newfoundland waters.

June 29, 1995 Brian Tobin releases the latest groundfish stock status report showing most stocks remain at or near the lowest level ever observed.

Aug. 4, 1995 The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 Relating to the Conservation and Management of Straddling Fish Stocks and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks is adopted and is expected to be ratified in the fall by the UN General Assembly. The agreement requires fishermen to report the size of their catches to regional organizations that would set quotas and permits the boarding of vessels that violate fishing regulations.

Aug. 10, 1995 Human Resources Development Minister Lloyd Axworthy announces changes to the TAGS program effective September 1st which include changes to the way earnings are reported, a two week period each year when benefits won't be paid and a $20,000 threshold after which benefits are adjusted.

Aug. 22, 1995 Axworthy announces that instead of a two week period without benefits, TAGS benefits will be reduced over a 20 week period between November and mid-March.

Aug. 25, 1995 Tobin announces that there will be no recreational cod fishery in Newfoundland and Labrador this year.

Sept. 15, 1995 Tobin announces that NAFO has adopted "the toughest set of control and enforcement measures of any fisheries management organization in the world." These measures are based on the control measures in the April 16 conservation agreement between Canada and the EU but, effective January 1, 1996, will apply to vessels from all 15 NAFO contracting parties. NAFO also decides to continue the moratoria for dangerously depleted straddling stocks of cod and flounder.

Oct. 11, 1995 Several announcements are made in Tobin's speech to the St. John's Board of Trade. He reports that after consultations with industry, he and Lloyd Axworthy have resolved the 1995-96 funding for The Atlantic Groundfish Strategy (TAGS). There will be no reductions in benefits. Payments totalling $31 million have been authorized to 252 licence holders in the first round of bidding under the Groundfish Licence Retirement Program. He also announces that agreement in principle has been reached on early retirement programs for fishermen in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island.
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Oct. 19-20, 1995 Tobin hosts a North Atlantic Fisheries Ministers Conference in St. John's. The ministers attending are the Fisheries Ministers of Canada, the Faroe Islands, Iceland, Norway and Russia.

Nov. 15, 1995 The Newfoundland government announces the details of the early retirement program for Newfoundland fisheries workers 55-64 years old. Funded 70 per cent by the federal government and 30 per cent by the Newfoundland government, the program will enable 1,300 to 1,400 individuals in the province to retire voluntarily from the fishery.

Dec. 4, 1995 Canada signs the United Nations Agreement on Straddling and Highly Migratory Fish Stocks.

Dec. 11, 1995 Major amendments to the Fisheries Act are tabled in the House of Commons. The goal is to create a single integrated statute for the management of domestic and foreign fishing in Canadian and adjacent waters. The Coastal Fisheries Protection Act will be repealed and its provisions integrated into the new Fisheries Act.

Dec. 18, 1995 Brian Tobin announces that he has accepted most of the recommended conservation measures of the FRCC (Conservation Come Aboard) and will not reopen any commercial fisheries.

Dec. 20, 1995 Brian Tobin announces the framework for a new licencing policy for commercial fisheries on the Atlantic coast. Under the new policy, the inshore fishery will be made up of a professional core group of a limited number of enterprises. Each enterprise will be headed by a professional fisherman and will be encouraged to hold multiple licences.

Jan. 9, 1996 Tobin announces that he will be stepping down as Minister of Fisheries and running for leadership of the Liberal Party in Newfoundland.

Jan. 25, 1996 Fred Mifflin is sworn in as Canada's Minister of Fisheries.

Mar. 14, 1996 John Efford is sworn in as Newfoundland's Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture in Brian Tobin's Liberal government.

http://www.library.mun.ca/qeii/cns/cod/chrono.php

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July 6th, 2006, 4:16:40 PM
More 'nothing'

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/geo2xx/geo212.034/Turbot.pdf

Take your ignorant rants elsewhere....

nehemiah
July 6th, 2006, 4:18:37 PM
fishing only emboldens the terrorists.

ticatfan3
July 6th, 2006, 4:21:50 PM
More 'nothing'

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/geo2xx/geo212.034/Turbot.pdf

Take your ignorant rants elsewhere....I will give you a little credit for that . Yes tobin did somethings , more to get himself into the papers ,remember he had ideas about going for the leadership at sometime. and I see promises from chretien, but did anything actually happen? Why is it that now something is happening if they already did it?

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July 6th, 2006, 4:26:25 PM
Ticat, do us all a favour and do some reading. The articles I've provided should allow you to put 2 and 2 together. I'm surprised that you don't remember all of this stuff that happened back in the mid-90's.

ticatfan3
July 6th, 2006, 4:42:47 PM
Ticat, do us all a favour and do some reading. The articles I've provided should allow you to put 2 and 2 together. I'm surprised that you don't remember all of this stuff that happened back in the mid-90's.That is what I was doing, I see chretien promises this and that ,but what actually happened. Yes they closed it down, was there more patrols? Was their more boardings or did everything end after the deal with the spanish trawler. The libs have promised a millions thing thru the years and yet nothing ever happened. So excuse me if I am a little skeptical. I remember the 90's but I don't remember much else happening, but promises.

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July 6th, 2006, 4:55:39 PM
RTFA (Read the ***** Article), then use your brain.