Trooper shoots and kills ATV rider

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June 25, 2006, 8:10 PM EDT

SHERIDAN, N.Y. (AP) _ A 25-year-old man was fatally shot by a state trooper who was dragged about a mile by the man's all-terrain vehicle, State Police said on Sunday.

Around 12:40 a.m. Sunday, the trooper, whose name was not released, stopped an ATV and an off-road motorcycle in the Chautauqua County town of Sheridan, 34 miles southwest of Buffalo, according to a press release from State Police in Batavia.

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The operator of the ATV, Bradley Horton, 25, of Silver Creek, sped away, dragging the trooper, according to the release. The trooper was later found on the road by a passer-by and taken by ambulance to a hospital where he was treated for scrapes and bruises and released.

Horton was found in a field by a Chautauqua County Sheriff's patrol and was taken by helicopter to Hamot Medical Center in Erie, Pa., where he later died. State Police said the trooper had discharged his weapon while he was being dragged by the ATV.

Family members and friends of Horton's gathered at the State Police barracks in Dunkirk. Some told Buffalo's WKBW-TV that they believe police may have mistaken Horton for Ralph "Bucky" Phillips, the fugitive wanted in connection with the shooting of a trooper earlier this month near Elmira.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--atvshooting0625jun25,0,3800250.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork

[Scary Good]

Well you still can't drag a trooper with your vehicle...I don't think its wrong to shoot.

[TRIPLE P]

If someone is dragging you with a vehicle, and you have a gun, you use it to stopp being dragged.

[Darksyde]

If someone is dragging you with a vehicle, and you have a gun, you use it to stopp being dragged.

agreed

[HURLS]

He could have shot the tires instead. Reports here are that troopers were heard saying they got Bucky. Oops.

[TRIPLE P]

He could have shot the tires instead. Reports here are that troopers were heard saying they got Bucky. Oops.


Maybe.... or he could have shot the tires, and fliped the whole damn thing and it could have cruched him....

You know a good way to not get shot on your ATV..... don't drag someone with a gun behind it.

[BillsFan0688]

He could have shot the tires instead. Reports here are that troopers were heard saying they got Bucky. Oops.

Hard to believe. The trooper had already spoken to the man before he was dragged so he had to have known it wasn't Bucky.

If I'm the Trooper in that situation I shoot the guy too.

[HURLS]

Well, for those of you who don't live in the same town, and KNOW some of the local police, you can all pipe down. I KNOW that he did not have to shoot him, and KNOW that they thought they got Bucky. Cops here and mostly everywhere, are men who couldn't make a living doing anything else. So they go to the Armed Forces, or Police Academy. You all saw the movie I'm sure. How many people have you heard say, "I had no other choice, or I'd be dead. So I joined the Army." Same as the police. A bunch of retards that legally can carry a gun. Sorry MPW, not you.

[HURLS]

These cops are harassing family members, and now killed a kid. About time they give up before another person gets killed.

[shotgun]

These cops are harassing family members, and now killed a kid. About time they give up before another person gets killed.
RIGHT ON HURLS

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What's the back-story to this one, Hurls ?

[nehemiah]

What's the back-story to this one, Hurls ?he posted it here --> http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=92179

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Cool, thanks. I didn't put 2 + 2 together by that thread title

[HURLS]

http://observertoday.com/editorial/articles.asp?articleID=2498


Now for some of the questions:

n How does someone get dragged for a mile and sustain only scratches?

n If you are entangled by your belt, wouldn’t it be just as easy to unbuckle it as it is to draw your gun?

n If you can shoot someone in the back, can’t you shoot them in the leg or shoot out the tires?

n Has this trooper been relieved of his duties pending investigation?

n Have his clothes and belt been taken into evidence?

n Have you gotten transcripts of all radio communications that evening?

n Why was the young man on the dirt bike beaten so badly after being handcuffed?

n Why weren’t the troopers looking for Brad?

n Why were his friends detained at the Bell residence until 1 p.m. the next day?

My third purpose in writing this letter is to encourage all who are as outraged as I to speak out. I hold someone who wears a badge to a higher standard for two simple reasons. They supposedly have been trained and they have sworn to serve and protect.

It is my hope that the Law will hold them to the same high standards. My personal feeling right now is that I would much rather run into Bucky Phillips than I would a State Trooper. At least he has the presence of mind (if in fact he did shoot the trooper) and the respect for human life to shoot to wound and not to kill.

[HURLS]

Make sure you read where the Troopers didn't find the dying boy, they were too busy smoking cigs. Sheriffs found him 'cuz he called 911 from his cellphone. Now you see my contempt for NYS Troopers.

[nehemiah]

:nono:

that is some messed up stuff, man.

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Cue the banjo music...

[HURLS]

Cue the banjo music...

This ain't Deliverance. This is pure MURDER. Real life.

[35Pete]

He could have shot the tires instead. Reports here are that troopers were heard saying they got Bucky. Oops.
Hate cops just a wee bit?

This is absolutely stupid Hurls. If I am being dragged by an ATV I am not thinking "Gee, what is the minimum force that I can use to stop myself from being killed".

No, I am thinking "My best chance at survival is to shoot him between the shoulder blades".

[HURLS]

Try reading more than one post trigger happy Administrator.

[35Pete]

Try reading more than one post trigger happy Administrator.
I read all of your posts and picked that one. Still sounds like you don't particularly like the police. How else can you criticize anyone for defending their own life?

[K-Gun]

Bullshit he got dragged a mile. The trooper is lying to cover his ass. He shot an innocent man because he thought he was Bucky. Prolly didn't even tell him to stop, he prolly shot first and asked questions later.

When he found out it wasn't Bucky he had to come up with a story.

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[HURLS]

I read all of your posts and picked that one. Still sounds like you don't particularly like the police. How else can you criticize anyone for defending their own life?

Drag me for a 1/4 mile, ya, that's what it really was, not a mile, and let me shoot you 4 times in the back. You don't call that MURDER???? You have no right being in charge here, I'm sorry. You're pro-Gun stance is crap here. I live here, I live this. You shoot firecrackers in Florida.

[35Pete]

Yikes Hurls!!! *Note to self: Hurls does NOT like criticism*

[mark3274]

sorry but this shoot them in the leg stuff is crap. Police officers are trained to shoot the center of mass not a arm or leg. Quess what shooting someone there will probably kill them. If you do not drag state troopers behind a atv you probably will not face this situation. murder hardly more like self defense on the troopers part.

[35Pete]

sorry but this shoot them in the leg stuff is crap. Police officers are trained to shoot the center of mass not a arm or leg. Quess what shooting someone there will probably kill them. If you do not drag state troopers behind a atv you probably will not face this situation. murder hardly more like self defense on the troopers part.
I really don't care if he was dragged only 50 yards. If I had a gun and someone did that to me I would shoot him. Not necessarily to kill him but to stop him from killing me.

[35Pete]

OK. Let's forget that he was a "scumbag" cop. Horton dragged another human being "some distance" on his ATV. Had he hit a big rock that "human being" would have been dead.

I for one celebrate the death and removal of this shit bag's genes from the human gene pool. The Trooper's life was worth WAY more than his.

And I hope that they kill Bucky too.

[35Pete]

http://observertoday.com/editorial/articles.asp?articleID=2498


Now for some of the questions:

n How does someone get dragged for a mile and sustain only scratches?

Easy. Fields or soft soil.

n If you are entangled by your belt, wouldn’t it be just as easy to unbuckle it as it is to draw your gun?

"Hmm. Being dragged by an ATV. But let me intellectualize this before I act. Perhaps we should convene a panel?"

n If you can shoot someone in the back, can’t you shoot them in the leg or shoot out the tires?

"Again. I should have performed an ethical study before shooting him. That takes priority over my life".

n Has this trooper been relieved of his duties pending investigation?

For defending his own life??

n Have his clothes and belt been taken into evidence?

n Have you gotten transcripts of all radio communications that evening?

n Why was the young man on the dirt bike beaten so badly after being handcuffed?

Who says he was beaten AFTER he was handcuffed? You? You stupid bitch?

n Why weren’t the troopers looking for Brad?

They weren't. They were back at the barracks having tea and crumpets.

n Why were his friends detained at the Bell residence until 1 p.m. the next day?

Uhhm. Because an attempted murder occurred?

My third purpose in writing this letter is to encourage all who are as outraged as I to speak out. I hold someone who wears a badge to a higher standard for two simple reasons. They supposedly have been trained and they have sworn to serve and protect.

You know nothing of the facts.

It is my hope that the Law will hold them to the same high standards. My personal feeling right now is that I would much rather run into Bucky Phillips than I would a State Trooper. At least he has the presence of mind (if in fact he did shoot the trooper) and the respect for human life to shoot to wound and not to kill.


This woman is a moron.

[K-Gun]

OK. Let's forget that he was a "scumbag" cop. Horton dragged another human being "some distance" on his ATV. Had he hit a big rock that "human being" would have been dead.

I for one celebrate the death and removal of this shit bag's genes from the human gene pool. The Trooper's life was worth WAY more than his.

And I hope that they kill Bucky too.

BULLSHIT, that's just teh scumbag cops cover story for shooting first and asking questions later. He thought the guy was Buvky and he thought he was going to become a hero. Now this "story" is going to have to hold up in court.

[35Pete]

BULLSHIT, that's just teh scumbag cops cover story for shooting first and asking questions later. He thought the guy was Buvky and he thought he was going to become a hero. Now this "story" is going to have to hold up in court.
Complete and total conjecture JK. It's what you "want to believe". You have no evidence other than feelings borne from your hatred of police authority.

[K-Gun]

Complete and total conjecture JK. It's what you "want to believe". You have no evidence other than feelings borne from your hatred of police authority.

No, they have changed the story, which sounds comepltly bullshit, several times. Which was it, a mile he was dragged, a quarter mile? Eitehr way, it sounds bullshit to me. I've ridden ATV's my whole life and find it hard to concieve of a way to drag someone.

And I don't hate police authority, I hate dirty cops.

[35Pete]

No, they have changed the story, which sounds comepltly bullshit, several times. Which was it, a mile he was dragged, a quarter mile? Eitehr way, it sounds bullshit to me. I've ridden ATV's my whole life and find it hard to concieve of a way to drag someone.

And I don't hate police authority, I hate dirty cops.
Hmm. Think that you might be a little disoriented after being dragged by an ATV? Hence unsure of at the time how far that you have been dragged? Completely plausible to me. You are not thinking rationally here IMO. I suspect that you have a predisposition to NOT believing he police so ANY descrepency in the report, any, would strongly bias you towards thinking foul play. That's just me though.

[HURLS]

Crap. Total crap. Explain to me Pete why the Troopers didn't look for this "supposed" Cop dragger? Did they assume he died? Or did they assume he ran away after being shot 4 f'n times in the back? A 25 yr old kid, not an old fugitive from justice. Amazing that County Sheriffs found him a few feet away from Troopers smoking cigs. I wonder who really works for the people. I guess the Sheriffs, not State Pigs.

[HURLS]

This woman is a moron.

Worst, and most ignorant statement ever posted on here. You should be stripped of your title. Like I posted elsewhere, PM me if you want facts. I have helipcopters over my head as we speak. Why? 'Cuz Troopers are stupid, ignorant asses, and cannot find a DUMB(yes, dumb) guy that broke out of jail. Just like the last couple of your posts represent you. Give me 1/10 the money these asses have spent, I'd bring him in. Alive. And I wouldn't shoot an innocent boy in the process. Your "shoot first" mentality sucks. Glad you're not a cop.

[35Pete]

I really wonder why you hate the State Police so much. They never did anything to me. Than again I don't do anything to warrant their attention.

Your mentality blows my mind completely. If you drag a police officer with an ATV you should EXPECT to have deadly force used against you. It blows me away that you cannot see this.

The guy caused his own death. The cop was just trying to save his own life. Funny that you seem to have a problem with that.

[HURLS]

Funny I'm not the only one. I couldn't care less what any of you think of me. Think of a 25 yr old murdered instead. I guess 'cuz they never murdered anyone you knew family of, we should all have your opinion forced on us. Fire away with your guns!!!!!!!!! Woo-hoo!! I am murdering my neighbor, bastard looks like Bucky, and I'm going after him.

[nehemiah]

everybody in the southtowns looks like bucky.

:D

that's right, i said it.

[HURLS]

BTW, my friend and District Attorney Dave Foley is soon to present a case to the Grand Jury. And it ISN'T against the dead kid.

[WhiteRabbit]

BTW, my friend and District Attorney Dave Foley is soon to present a case to the Grand Jury. And it ISN'T against the dead kid.

Good to hear.

Seems like the meaning of "To Serve and to Protect" is being lost now a days.

[HURLS]

You're not falling in line WR. Conform with thy leader. I thought that's the motto.

I heard a test was done using a dummy with a body-composition similar to a human's. After dragged about a 1/4 mile by ATV, one of his legs sheared off. Thank God this Trooper was super-human and only suffered bumps and scrapes after 4 times the distance, while shooting him in the back 3 times and in the arse once.

[35Pete]

You're not falling in line WR. Conform with thy leader. I thought that's the motto.

I heard a test was done using a dummy with a body-composition similar to a human's. After dragged about a 1/4 mile by ATV, one of his legs sheared off. Thank God this Trooper was super-human and only suffered bumps and scrapes after 4 times the distance, while shooting him in the back 3 times and in the arse once.
Hurls. Let's take a step back for a minute and discuss, not fling at each other, OK? I know. I started it but let's forget about that.

Under extreme duress the cop could have thought that it was 20 miles. Perception gets screwed up. And I can empty a 10 round clip on a gun in 2.5 seconds. 4 rounds in one second is no big feat. Pretty easy, especially when you are in that "fight or flight" syndrome. Know what I mean?

[HURLS]

Nope. Never been in either sitch. But when I hear other cops say he was wrong, and see the DA bringing a case to the GJ, I tend to be skeptical.

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I heard a test was done using a dummy with a body-composition similar to a human's. After dragged about a 1/4 mile by ATV, one of his legs sheared off. Thank God this Trooper was super-human and only suffered bumps and scrapes after 4 times the distance, while shooting him in the back 3 times and in the arse once.

Pete's obviously never seen National Lampoon's Vacation

[35Pete]

Nope. Never been in either sitch. But when I hear other cops say he was wrong, and see the DA bringing a case to the GJ, I tend to be skeptical.
Do u have articles on this?

[HURLS]

http://www.observertoday.com/articles.asp?articleID=3104

Kid who was killed cousin got beaten. Lewd act he's charged with is supposedly mooning the troopers.

[HURLS]

http://www.observertoday.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=2773

Article on probable Grand Jury charge

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Wherrrrrreeeee's Bucky ?!?!?!?!?!

[BillsFan0688]

Niagara County.

The hunt for fugitive Ralph “Bucky” Phillips moved to Niagara County Tuesday after police linked a black Ford Mustang stolen Friday morning in the town of Portville to Phillips.

Trooper Rebecca Gibbons said the car was recovered by State Police on the Tuscarora Indian Reservation Tuesday.


Portville Village Police Chief Vince Pascale said the Mustang was taken from the lot of Portville Forest Products, which is located at the end of Whitehouse Road in the town. Dollar General in Portville is on the corner of Whitehouse Road and Route 417. The car belongs to a Portville Forest Products truck driver, Chief Pascale said.


Trooper Gibbons said police also have a snapshot of Phillips they say was taken sometime during the day Tuesday in a wooded area on the Tuscarora reservation.


“Since the vehicle was recovered, Phillips has been sighted twice,” Trooper Gibbons said.

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Here's the picture the troopers have; also from the article.

http://images.zwire.com/local/Z/Zwire2725/zwire/images/2006/08/story/Ralph-Phillipscmyk_story.jpg






http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17031649&BRD=2725&PAG=461&dept_id=562746&rfi=6

[HURLS]

Supposedly the guy said, "Aren't you Bucky?", and he said, "Ya, what are ya gonna do about it?" And the guy said, I just want your picture", or something similar. But if the guy wanted a photo, why'd he leave it? Unless he took more than one.

[NoCtUrNaL]

The "dragged around by the suspect" is what the cop purport's happened after shooting the dude in the back four times.

Let's examine the physical injuries and resulting medical attention needed of the participants involved:

Cop: abrasions and bruises / band-aids & iodine

Suspect: four bullet holes in back / an autopsy

[NoCtUrNaL]

I really don't care if he was dragged only 50 yards. If I had a gun and someone did that to me I would shoot him. Not necessarily to kill him but to stop him from killing me.


Why would someone trying to get away from someone else purposely drag that person with them?

He wasn't being dragged. The cop was probably on top of the dude he shot when the ATV was moving. He was more of a passenger then anything.

If he was hanging on he would’ve had to have been doing so with one hand in order to have pulled his murder weapon.

So we know the dude wasn't dragging the cop by the scruff of the neck cause that would make no sense since he was trying to get away from the cop.

We also know that the cop shot the dude four times while the vehicle was in motion. Which means, worse and most implausible case scenario, the cop is holding on to some part of the ATV with one hand while it bounces him around on the rough terrain of that area and while the cop is hanging by one hand and being bounced around he reaches for his murder weapon and shots and hits the dude trying to get away four times out of four shots.

If you believe that one then you have no gag reflex and you should sign up to star in Deep Throat 2 because you can swallow anything.

[NoCtUrNaL]

Cops can do anything they want with impunity...at least, that's their history.


DA: What happened?

Cop: He tried to kill me.

DA: That's good enough for me...case closed

[NoCtUrNaL]

Q. What's the best way to guarantee your story regarding the event in question will hold up in court?

A. Kill the only other witness.