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nehemiah
June 13th, 2006, 3:43:26 PM
we could tell you why the program was legal, but then we'd have to kill you. :guy:

DETROIT, June 12 — A National Security Agency program that listens in on international communications involving people in the United States is both vital to national security and permitted by the Constitution, a government lawyer told a judge here today in the first major court argument on the program.

But, the lawyer went on, addressing Judge Anna Diggs Taylor of the Federal District Court, "the evidence we need to demonstrate to you that it lawful cannot be disclosed without that process itself causing grave harm to United States national security."

The only solution to this impasse, the lawyer, Anthony J. Coppolino, said, was for Judge Taylor to dismiss the lawsuit before her, an American Civil Liberties Union challenge to the eavesdropping program, under the state secrets privilege. The privilege can limit and even extinguish cases that would reveal national security information, and it is fast becoming one of the Justice Department's favorite tools in defending court challenges to its efforts to combat terrorism.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/washington/12cnd-nsa.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1150171200&en=ef01ee5b43fc6a56&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin

shiva2999
June 13th, 2006, 3:54:21 PM
There's no shame in being a stupid fool for America.

sukie
June 13th, 2006, 5:31:12 PM
There is absolutely no shame in sticking with what works either.

uppy
June 13th, 2006, 5:37:15 PM
we could tell you why the program was legal, but then we'd have to kill you. :guy:

DETROIT, June 12 — A National Security Agency program that listens in on international communications involving people in the United States is both vital to national security and permitted by the Constitution, a government lawyer told a judge here today in the first major court argument on the program.

But, the lawyer went on, addressing Judge Anna Diggs Taylor of the Federal District Court, "the evidence we need to demonstrate to you that it lawful cannot be disclosed without that process itself causing grave harm to United States national security."

The only solution to this impasse, the lawyer, Anthony J. Coppolino, said, was for Judge Taylor to dismiss the lawsuit before her, an American Civil Liberties Union challenge to the eavesdropping program, under the state secrets privilege. The privilege can limit and even extinguish cases that would reveal national security information, and it is fast becoming one of the Justice Department's favorite tools in defending court challenges to its efforts to combat terrorism.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/washington/12cnd-nsa.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1150171200&en=ef01ee5b43fc6a56&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin

Neh...the NY times link did not work unless you reg.Did she make a ruling?

The ACLU did a great job of judge shopping....

http://www.daahp.wayne.edu/biographiesDisplay.asp?id=64

Gibby
June 13th, 2006, 6:35:46 PM
Quite sad that people would actually desire a bit of safety more than their constitutional rights against government intrusion.

ChesapeakeBills
June 13th, 2006, 8:42:52 PM
Dude, c'mon this is our government we are talking about. Government workers are government workers no matter if they have a security clearance or not. What are the chances they are doing it right?

sukie
June 13th, 2006, 8:44:31 PM
if rights contradict safety... yes. (I said "if")

ckg68
June 13th, 2006, 8:46:32 PM
Quite sad that people would actually desire a bit of safety more than their constitutional rights against government intrusion.

And as I've said before,if you believe that you might as well turn in your American citizenship. You don't deserve to be called an American.

Compare them to the Loyalists,if you wish. Those that actually still believe in what America,warts and all,stands for are the true patriots.

Gibby
June 13th, 2006, 9:38:49 PM
And as I've said before,if you believe that you might as well turn in your American citizenship. You don't deserve to be called an American.

Compare them to the Loyalists,if you wish. Those that actually still believe in what America,warts and all,stands for are the true patriots.

I'm not sure I follow you, are you saying that you would rather have your civil liberties or tyranny disguised as security. I can only remember what my distant relative Ben Franklin said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"