racial profiling a-okay in new york

[nehemiah]

he forgot to mention those people who wear a heavy coat, eh?


State legislation proposed yesterday would allow law officers to consider race and ethnicity in identifying potential terrorism suspects - a move decried by a civil rights advocate.

The bill would allow "the use of race as one of many criteria in the war on terror," said Assemb. Dov Hikind (D-Brooklyn). "Suicide bombers and terrorists fit a very specific intelligence profile, and race and ethnicity is very much a part of that profile."

He noted that the 19 men who carried out the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks all were Muslims from the Middle East or Asia. The terror suspects arrested in Canada last week had similar backgrounds, he noted.

"Let's get real. There is a terrorist profile," Hikind said.

He said police in New York and London already are using the kind of criteria contained in the bill.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stterr094774564jun09,0,6567493.story?coll=ny-statenews-headlines

[HURLS]

So when can every-day Joe start profiling? I got some planning to do. :idea:

[nehemiah]

So when can every-day Joe start profiling? I got some planning to do. sign up for the police. you can shoot every brown person you see.

[uppy]

You know were I stand on this.

[JLB]

Anything within the parameters of the law.

[nehemiah]

racial profiling is illegal.

anything within the parameters of the law? :rolleyes:

[JLB]

racial profiling is illegal.

anything within the parameters of the law? :rolleyes:




If its within the law what could be the problem?
Not for anything illegal.When fighting terrorism I think we should call it terrorism profiling.
IMHO

[pmoon6]

If its within the law what could be the problem?
Not for anything illegal.When fighting terrorism I think we should call it terrorism profiling.
IMHOWell, the FBI profiles serial killers, they are white, 25-35yrs old. You have to do some kind of profiling on terrorists, not to do so would be stupid.

[JLB]

Well, the FBI profiles serial killers, they are white, 25-35yrs old. You have to do some kind of profiling on terrorists, not to do so would be stupid.



I must obviously agree with this 100%.

[nehemiah]

When fighting terrorism I think we should call it terrorism profiling.this is stalinist.

more evidence is piling up.

[JLB]

this is stalinist.

more evidence is piling up.

We obviously disagree.
To me this is to protect innocent life.

This is Stalinist in your opinion.
This is not IMHO.

What would be your course of action if it was up to you?
Are you a pacifist if you are do not answer.
I will already understand your position.

Peace Nehe.

[pmoon6]

We obviously disagree.
To me this is to protect innocent life.

This is Stalinist in your opinion.
This is not IMHO.

What would be your course of action if it was up to you?
Are you a pacifist if you are do not answer.
I will already understand your position.

Peace Nehe.Just so you know, Nehemiah is our King. he is not a pacifist. Saying peace to him is like saying peace to Attila the Hun. He rules with an iron hand and whatever he says is FACT. All you can do is genuflect and say "Yes, my liege".:D

[35Pete]

Profile grandmothers? Use common sense Nehe. Not every Arab will be profiled. If they were then I would have a serious issue with that.

[nehemiah]

it is stalinist to change terminology and think that it changes reality.

"terrorism profiling" is just a change in terms.

the racism underlying it is just as repugnant.

:arizona:

[uppy]

Not true ,we need to protect our country Neh.These people have already
killed thousands of Americans and we are at war.The job of our goverment
is to protect the citizens.60 years ago we put 200,000 people in camps,if
racial profiling will save lives in the country l I am all for it.

[JLB]

Just so you know, Nehemiah is our King. he is not a pacifist. Saying peace to him is like saying peace to Attila the Hun. He rules with an iron hand and whatever he says is FACT. All you can do is genuflect and say "Yes, my liege".:D

Ok I do not know everybody.
Nehe no offense I was just responding.
Your thread mentions there is terrorist profiling thats where it came from.
Again I mean no offense but please read your original thread statement.

[JLB]

he forgot to mention those people who wear a heavy coat, eh?


State legislation proposed yesterday would allow law officers to consider race and ethnicity in identifying potential terrorism suspects - a move decried by a civil rights advocate.

The bill would allow "the use of race as one of many criteria in the war on terror," said Assemb. Dov Hikind (D-Brooklyn). "Suicide bombers and terrorists fit a very specific intelligence profile, and race and ethnicity is very much a part of that profile."

He noted that the 19 men who carried out the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks all were Muslims from the Middle East or Asia. The terror suspects arrested in Canada last week had similar backgrounds, he noted.

"Let's get real. There is a terrorist profile," Hikind said.

He said police in New York and London already are using the kind of criteria contained in the bill.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stterr094774564jun09,0,6567493.story?coll=ny-statenews-headlines

I got it from here.
Where it says lets get real.

[dasaybz]

Like dubya would let a big redneck with a mullet fly planes into buildings. This racial profile thing is a good thing in my opinion.

There's no way the public would suspect a redneck terrorist ... ahhh, dubya is smarter than everyone thinks!!!

[JLB]

Yup your right he is. :arizona:

[JLB]

A computerized system used by airlines to screen suspicious
passengers failed to expose the 19 Arab hijackers on Sept. 11 because
it omits key terrorist-profiling indicators such as national origin, a
Federal Aviation Administration security official says.

If airlines had profiled based on human criteria, he says, the roughly
3,000 Americans who died that day might still be alive.

"If human-profiling was conducted on the terrorists who were made
'selectees' that day, then maybe some or all of this nefarious plot
could have been avoided," said the official, who works in the FAA's
Aviation Security Division here.

The Computer-Assisted Passenger Profiling System, or CAPPS, selected
six hijackers for additional security screening on Sept. 11, because
they bought one-way tickets using cash, things that show up as red
flags in the system.

But only their checked luggage was searched, authorities say. The
selected passengers themselves weren't searched or even questioned by
airport security personnel.

That's because the so-called "Gore Commission" on aviation security
last decade ruled out such profiling as discriminatory.

This is interesting !!

[nehemiah]

Ok I do not know everybody.
Nehe no offense I was just responding.
Your thread mentions there is terrorist profiling thats where it came from.
Again I mean no offense but please read your original thread statement.i took no offense. i just responded to your post.

don't listen to moonie. he's just busting my chops. :box:

post what you want... as long as it abides by TOS. :arizona:

[nehemiah]

A computerized system used by airlines to screen suspicious
passengers failed to expose the 19 Arab hijackers on Sept. 11 because
it omits key terrorist-profiling indicators such as national origin, a
Federal Aviation Administration security official says.

If airlines had profiled based on human criteria, he says, the roughly
3,000 Americans who died that day might still be alive.

"If human-profiling was conducted on the terrorists who were made
'selectees' that day, then maybe some or all of this nefarious plot
could have been avoided," said the official, who works in the FAA's
Aviation Security Division here.

The Computer-Assisted Passenger Profiling System, or CAPPS, selected
six hijackers for additional security screening on Sept. 11, because
they bought one-way tickets using cash, things that show up as red
flags in the system.

But only their checked luggage was searched, authorities say. The
selected passengers themselves weren't searched or even questioned by
airport security personnel.

That's because the so-called "Gore Commission" on aviation security
last decade ruled out such profiling as discriminatory.

This is interesting !!link to proof of this? not an op-ed by a xenophobe.

with the formatting this looks like an upstart post. (if it had more mis-spellings :D)

[JLB]

i took no offense. i just responded to your post.

don't listen to moonie. he's just busting my chops. :box:

post what you want... as long as it abides by TOS. :arizona:


Thanks Nehe.


Glad you took no offense.

[JLB]

link to proof of this? not an op-ed by a xenophobe.

with the formatting this looks like an upstart post. (if it had more mis-spellings :D)

I did a google search for the topic and tried to shorten.
I will attempt to give more info.
Gotta take mama to church and lunch first.
Thanks for your help !!

[sukie]

Screw nehe's realm of reality... profile away goddamit... i'll just avoid my summer tanning this year.

[JLB]

http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/gorecommission.html
No good Try later

[dasaybz]

Profile grandmothers? Use common sense Nehe. Not every Arab will be profiled. If they were then I would have a serious issue with that.
Who's to say an arab grandmother isn't behind this whole terrorism conspiracy set up by dubya?

[JLB]

Gore Commission" on aviation security ruled out profiling as discriminatory.

WASHINGTON – A computerized system used by airlines to screen suspicious passengers failed to expose the 19 Arab hijackers on Sept. 11 because it omits key terrorist-profiling indicators such as national origin, a Federal Aviation Administration security official says.

If airlines had profiled based on human criteria, he says, the roughly 3,000 Americans who died that day might still be alive.

"If human-profiling was conducted on the terrorists who were made 'selectees' that day, then maybe some or all of this nefarious plot could have been avoided," said the official, who works in the FAA's Aviation Security Division here.

The Computer-Assisted Passenger Profiling System, or CAPPS, selected six hijackers for additional security screening on Sept. 11, because they bought one-way tickets using cash, things that show up as red flags in the system.

But only their checked luggage was searched, authorities say. The selected passengers themselves weren't searched or even questioned by airport security personnel.

That's because the so-called "Gore Commission" on aviation security last decade ruled out such profiling as discriminatory.

Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations lobbied hard against Arab-profiling at airports, enlisting lawmakers like Rep. David Bonior, a Democrat from a heavily Arab district in Michigan. He, in turn, lobbied FAA Administrator Jane Garvey. The airlines, which handled security at airport terminals, were also reluctant to profile Arabs.

"CAPPS was developed because the airline industry didn't want to do human-profiling," said the FAA official, who wished to remain anonymous. "Yet human-profiling is the single-biggest deterrent against terrorism in the aviation industry."

CAPPS ignores key terror predictors, he says, such as the nationality, ethnicity, religion, language and even the sex of passengers. Young men of Middle Eastern origin tend to fit the anti-American or anti-Israeli terrorist profile, authorities say.

The computerized system instead flags passengers based on relatively sterile criteria involving the purchase of their tickets. Did they pay cash or credit? How many days in advance of the flight? One-way or round-trip? Are they irregular or frequent fliers?

Of course, such behavior can easily be changed by would-be hijackers to fool the system.

"CAPPS literally makes you a selectee based on how you purchase your ticket," the FAA official said. "It has nothing to do with fighting terrorism, in spite of what the FAA says."

The computer also selects a certain number of passengers by random.

For example, United Airlines Flight 93 passenger Nicole Miller was selected on Sept. 11 to have her checked bags secretly swept. The 21-year-old was heading back home to San Jose, Calif., where she went to college and worked as a waitress at Chili's. Her hijacked plane crashed in Pennsylvania shortly after take-off from Newark, N.J.

By Paul Sperry © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
Paul Sperry is Washington bureau chief for WorldNetDaily

This is all of it finally sorry it took me this long.

[gilchristfan]

Screw nehe's realm of reality... profile away goddamit... i'll just avoid my summer tanning this year.

Not true ,we need to protect our country Neh.These people have already
killed thousands of Americans and we are at war.The job of our goverment
is to protect the citizens.60 years ago we put 200,000 people in camps,if
racial profiling will save lives in the country l I am all for it.

No doubt. Prior to 9/11, the 2 biggest terrorists in US history were white-male-ex-military men with anger control problems. Profile away.

Maybe that explains why 26 million vets just had their files stolen.

[sukie]

ex military?

[gilchristfan]

ex military?

McVeigh and Nichols met in the Army

[Stealth01]

A lot of this just depends on HOW it's used. You can't simply IGNORE race as a factor in terrorism. That would be just as repugnantly stupid as making it the only--or even the main--factor considered. Officials should be considering race, national origin, religion, background, criminal history, associations with groups or individuals, public statements, what other countries' intel people say about them, how they carry themselves, what they say, and even more stuff. Race should be one factor that goes into it, but not one on which the determination made with no other consideration.

A young, Arab, Muslim male is a LOT more likely to be a terrorist than an old, Chinese, Buddhist woman. A Palestinian woman is a lot more likely to be wearing a suicide vest than a male from Panama. A Muslim is more likely to be a radical terrorist than a Buddhist (since Buddhists are pacifists by nature). A white man with a shaved head and nazi tattoos is a lot more likely to be a terrorist than a black man with dreads from NYC.

The problem here is that the right is far too willing to profile based on any factor they want so that every Arab male gets searched while the left is far too willing to not profile at all, so that 89-year-old women get searched while Mohammed Atta walks through security untouched. The two sides are so busy yelling at each other, calling names, and slinging mud that there's no chance to reach a reasonable, fair solution.

[JLB]

A lot of this just depends on HOW it's used. You can't simply IGNORE race as a factor in terrorism. That would be just as repugnantly stupid as making it the only--or even the main--factor considered. Officials should be considering race, national origin, religion, background, criminal history, associations with groups or individuals, public statements, what other countries' intel people say about them, how they carry themselves, what they say, and even more stuff. Race should be one factor that goes into it, but not one on which the determination made with no other consideration.

A young, Arab, Muslim male is a LOT more likely to be a terrorist than an old, Chinese, Buddhist woman. A Palestinian woman is a lot more likely to be wearing a suicide vest than a male from Panama. A Muslim is more likely to be a radical terrorist than a Buddhist (since Buddhists are pacifists by nature). A white man with a shaved head and nazi tattoos is a lot more likely to be a terrorist than a black man with dreads from NYC.

The problem here is that the right is far too willing to profile based on any factor they want so that every Arab male gets searched while the left is far too willing to not profile at all, so that 89-year-old women get searched while Mohammed Atta walks through security untouched. The two sides are so busy yelling at each other, calling names, and slinging mud that there's no chance to reach a reasonable, fair solution.

Both to blame because no real willingness to co-operate.IYHO Is that it in a nutshell.

[uppy]

No doubt. Prior to 9/11, the 2 biggest terrorists in US history were white-male-ex-military men with anger control problems. Profile away.

Maybe that explains why 26 million vets just had their files stolen.

Two nuts out of 30+ million is not grounds to profile.

[nehemiah]

Two nuts out of 30+ million is not grounds to profile.:rofl:

sometimes the irony is just too rich.

[uppy]

:rofl:

sometimes the irony is just too rich.

I should have said one act of terror.....ooooooo the hell with it

I walked into that one.Nice shot king

[JLB]

Two nuts out of 30+ million is not grounds to profile.




Two bad apples did spoil the whole bunch girl.

[Soviet_Canuckastani]

If only they figure out how to 'profile' right.


Sikh dismayed by terror suspicion
By SSNews, newsday
May 13, 2006, 10:01 Email this article


Indian immigrant Jaspal Arora, a religious Sikh, wears a turban everywhere he goes, including to morning workouts at the Mid-Island Y Jewish Community Center in Plainview.

On Thursday, his turban apparently sparked suspicion by one patron, after Arora tossed a bag of garbage into a trash can on his way into the building.

Now, a security guard who worked at the Jewish center on Manetto Hill Road is out of a job, after refusing a member's request to check the trash can for a bomb.

"I said this is nothing but a racist thing," said the guard, Stephen Ardell of Bethpage. "And that is when they told me to get my stuff and get out."

Susan Tregerman, an assistant director at the center where Ardell has worked for two years under contract with a security firm, denied that he was fired and characterized the episode as a misunderstanding.

"There was no bomb scare, there was no one fired," said Tregerman, who declined to comment further.

The incident has upset members of Long Island's Sikh community, who have said the post 9/11 climate has brought with it an atmosphere of discrimination and unfair scrutiny.

"They know me personally," said Arora, 48, of Plainview, who has been a member of the community center's fitness club for eighteen months, and who also does wedding photography there. "They've seen me for two years. I work there. Why do they think I'm a terrorist?"

The incident occurred when a woman at the center spotted Arora throwing a plastic bag into a trash can near the center's entrance.

According to Ardell, the woman told him she was worried the bag might contain a bomb.

Ardell, 46, who had worked at the center for more than two years, told the woman that Arora was a regular customer, and that there was no need for suspicion.

Ardell said he was fired after the woman complained to the center's staff.

A person contacted at New York Security Patrol where Ardell worked, who described herself as the company's owner as well as a member of the Jewish center, said Ardell was dismissed by the security company only after walking out on his own and not because of the earlier incident. She gave her name only as "Jackie."


In August, police handcuffed five Sikh tourists and forced them to kneel on a sidewalk on Manhattan's Broadway after a tour bus employee reported them as suspicious. Mayor Michael Bloomberg apologized for the incident, and urged people to use common sense before calling the police.

In December, four men from Long Island and one from Queens were convicted on various charges involving the taunting and beating of a Sikh spiritual leader outside a restaurant in Richmond Hill, Queens. The men were said to have hurled slurs regarding the turban worn by the victim, before beating him unconscious.

Mohinder Taneja, a Westbury resident and a leader among Long Island's 3,000-family Sikh community, said the post- 9/11 environment has been a challenge for Sikh followers. Sikhism is a monotheistic religion with roots in Northern India.

"Certainly, when ignorant people mistake us for terrorists because we are wearing a turban, or link us with bin Laden, certainly we feel very much upset and offended," Taneja said. "But we take it as a challenge to teach people and remove that ignorance."