Stupid Americans

[shiva2999]

Here we go again...

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060513-125140-8414r

Majority in U.S. see Iran as a threat

WASHINGTON, May 12 (UPI) -- Two-thirds of U.S. residents see Iran as a security threat, and 58 percent say it's inevitable Iran will use nuclear weapons if it has them.

A clear partisan divide has emerged with regard to the issue of Iran, a Zogby poll shows. Ninety-three percent of Republicans viewed Iran as a threat as well as 63 percent of independents. Democrats were split, with 42 percent viewing Iran as a threat and 43 percent believing there is no threat to the United States.

While Americans back the limited use of the military to thwart Iranian nuclear ambitions, there is no desire among any group for a protracted involvement like in neighboring Iraq, with just 26 percent in support of the U.S. bringing about regime change.

While 66 percent view Iran as a threat to the United States, 85 percent see it as a threat to Israel.

A narrow 55 percent majority favor intervening to prevent an attack on Israel by Iran, and a stronger 58 percent would back the U.S. retaliating against Iran if it attacked Israel.

The new Zogby Interactive survey included 5,892 respondents nationwide between April 28 and May 1, 2006, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 1.3 percentage points.

[nehemiah]

this is the danger of having the most unpopular president in history being such a megalomanianical religious freak.

are you getting it? oooooo armaggedon it.

[uppy]

Just wondering, If Mr Bush was not a religious man would "some" people hate him as much ?

[ckg68]

Hell yes-if he was pulling the same crap he is now.

I respect the office,but not the person in it.

[uppy]

Thank you for your answer ckg,I don't recall the same hate of bill clinton
by the right as I see from the left at GWB.

[sukie]

Why did Nehe turn this into a Bush issue?

[uppy]

I am all for the uses of the military to thwart Iranian nuclear ambitions.

[ckg68]

Thank you for your answer ckg,I don't recall the same hate of bill clinton
by the right as I see from the left at GWB.

The press,for the first few years of Bush's term,gave W the kid glove treatment. And even now,they still pull their punches. They're reacting to the news that's out there and not,for the most part,breaking their own stories.

Compare that to Clinton,and I think you'll see it's night and day. I'm not defending Bill by any stretch-he wasn't been a saint,but at least if he :censor:ed up it wasn't blatantly out there for all to see.

[JLB]

The press,for the first few years of Bush's term,gave W the kid glove treatment. And even now,they still pull their punches. They're reacting to the news that's out there and not,for the most part,breaking their own stories.

Compare that to Clinton,and I think you'll see it's night and day. I'm not defending Bill by any stretch-he wasn't been a saint,but at least if he :censor:ed up it wasn't blatantly out there for all to see.It was not blatantly out there because whenever possible the media protected Clinton . They love attacking Bush and avoided trying Clinton in the court of public opinion. It seems every chance poll numbers roll out they spend just a little too much time in my opinion.

[uppy]

Yup

[BillsFan0688]

Why did Nehe turn this into a Bush issue?

Because it is a Bush issue. He is the one who got us in the clustershit in Iraq. He could very easily get us in the same situation in Iran only this time they supposedly have nuclear capabilities.

Those who ****eth up once are destined to ****eth up again.

[JLB]

When an enemy ....eth up well you all know the rest. This looks like most Americans would say kick their ...es boys. Is there anybody who does not believe that to be the case?

[RabidBillsFan]

Why are you so blind to the threat posed by Iran?

A failed Iraqi strategy does NOT mean Iran is of the same stuff. DO NOT make that mistake.

The only stupidity involved is the stupid people that allow crazy radical Muslim rulers to get ahold of nuclear weapons. IN NO WAY shall we EVER have a Chamberlain to ignore the warning signs!!!!

[BillsFan0688]

Why are you so blind to the threat posed by Iran?

A failed Iraqi strategy does NOT mean Iran is of the same stuff. DO NOT make that mistake.

The only stupidity involved is the stupid people that allow crazy radical Muslim rulers to get ahold of nuclear weapons. IN NO WAY shall we EVER have a Chamberlain to ignore the warning signs!!!!

I agree that barring a miracle Iran will have to be dealt with at some point, however it concerns me that:

1. We are still pumping a ton of resources into Iraq and will be stretched very thin if/when we go to Iran. But more importantly

2. The same people who made the "failed Iraqi strategy" will be the ones leading the way to Iran. What's to say that they will do any better a 2nd time around? And if they can't pull a solid strategy together for Iran we're in deep shit.

That concerns me.

[RabidBillsFan]

I agree that barring a miracle Iran will have to be dealt with at some point, however it concerns me that:

1. We are still pumping a ton of resources into Iraq and will be stretched very thin if/when we go to Iran. But more importantly

2. The same people who made the "failed Iraqi strategy" will be the ones leading the way to Iran. What's to say that they will do any better a 2nd time around? And if they can't pull a solid strategy together for Iran we're in deep shit.

That concerns me.

1. I do recognize that totally- my post was directed at the slithery shiva.

2. I share your concerns... but eventually we MUST do something- hopefully not before 2009 :)

[JLB]

I agree that barring a miracle Iran will have to be dealt with at some point, however it concerns me that:

1. We are still pumping a ton of resources into Iraq and will be stretched very thin if/when we go to Iran. But more importantly

2. The same people who made the "failed Iraqi strategy" will be the ones leading the way to Iran. What's to say that they will do any better a 2nd time around? And if they can't pull a solid strategy together for Iran we're in deep shit.

That concerns me. In the event we go after them it would be approached much differently. Your right it would be deep shit but only if they were allowed to get better prepared. They believe like you we will not attack now because of Iraq thats one of our many advantages. The 2 countries are much different Iran and Iraq support to overthrow their leader is much more prominent. Their threat is more serious to us and our allies and for that matter the rest of the free world.

[nehemiah]

I don't recall the same hate of bill clinton
by the right as I see from the left at GWB.bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaa

wait a minute. <breath>

bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

thanks for that. i appreciate the levity.

[JLB]

Thank you for your answer ckg,I don't recall the same hate of bill clinton
by the right as I see from the left at GWB.100% correct good point obvious for most here.

[RabidBillsFan]

100% correct good point obvious for most here.

TOTAL BULL. The right hated Clinton's guts, still do, and will continue to pound on that subject until eternity- it is an obsession that has now been countered with a new obsession from the opposition...

He did damage... well, he did damage...

He's a liar... no, he's a liar...

It is all the SAME.

[JLB]

TOTAL BULL. The right hated Clinton's guts, still do, and will continue to pound on that subject until eternity- it is an obsession that has now been countered with a new obsession from the opposition...

He did damage... well, he did damage...

He's a liar... no, he's a liar...

It is all the SAME.My opinion is that the media protected Clinton thats a major difference to me please remember this is my opinion. As far as hating Clinton please don`t lump me in with that statement.The obsession statement based on far right v.s. far left is a fair one. Please don`t include me in that.Have a good one. I respect your thoughts as expressed I am just not hateful or on the far right.:shake:

[ckg68]

Were any of you aware that one of the bunch that went snooping into Clinton's pants is now facing his own troubles with the law?

It's true...it's DAMNED true!

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/417357p-352553c.html

Remind me again how moral and upstanding these guys are? I forgot among all the hypocrisy.

[uppy]

The right disliked clinton ( I disliked clinton) But I have never seen the the kind of hate the left harbors at Mr.Bush.......FACT

[uppy]

I bet you lefties set up Bobby Ray...lol

[JLB]

The right disliked clinton ( I disliked clinton) But I have never seen the the kind of hate the left harbors at Mr.Bush.......FACTThat is a fact and everybody knows it. I have never seen anything remotely the same. I should revise apparently not everybody knows it.

[shiva2999]

The right disliked clinton ( I disliked clinton) But I have never seen the the kind of hate the left harbors at Mr.Bush.......FACT

So what?

George Bush is a hateful person.

Bill Clinton is not.

[uppy]

No shiva the left is hateful....thats the correct answer

[JLB]

So what?

George Bush is a hateful person.

Bill Clinton is not.Agree B. Clinton is not hateful. Disagree with the statement George Bush is a hateful person. How do you view other prominent politicians such as John M. or Hillary C.

[shiva2999]

Don't like McCain and don't like Hilary.

I like Wes Clark.

[uppy]

I h##e W Clark

[shiva2999]

We know.

Did you know Wes Clark once almost started WW3? It's true!

And he killed David Koresh and the Branch Davidians? Totally true!

[shiva2999]

Just for you uppy...

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060513/NEWS09/605130336/1001/RSS01

Investigate phone spying, Clark says
The former NATO commander is stumping for Leonard Boswell on a two-day Iowa visit.

THOMAS BEAUMONT
REGISTER STAFF WRITER

May 13, 2006


Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark said in Iowa Friday that the Bush administration's tracking of millions of private telephone calls as part of its war on terrorism warranted a full congressional investigation.

The former NATO commander and 2004 Democratic candidate for president said Congress needs to sort out the controversy as a way of maintaining its check on the presidential power.

"If you have a president, for reasons he believes are legitimate for national security, who is accused of misleading people about the extent of the program, and nobody knows what the extent of the program is, then I think a full congressional investigation is mandated," Clark said.

The Bush administration is facing questions about its regard for civil liberties after the disclosure that the National Security Agency collected information on millions of Americans' telephone calls.

At the heart of the matter is Gen. Michael Hayden, who was in charge of the surveillance program and is now Bush's nominee to become director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Clark was on the first leg of a two-day Iowa trip, campaigning for U.S. Rep. Leonard Boswell, a Des Moines Democrat seeking re-election this year.

Clark planned to meet with Polk County Democrats Friday before traveling to Cedar Rapids today to meet with activists who supported him in 2004.

Clark also plans to headline a meeting of the Hawkeye Labor Council in Cedar Rapids tonight.

Although Clark has said he is weighing a second presidential bid in 2008, he declined to discuss it Friday.

Iowa will host the lead-off Democratic nominating caucuses in 2008, and some party activists hope Clark runs again.

Lu Ann Pedrick of Urbandale was a Clark supporter in 2004, although Clark did not campaign in Iowa. Pedrick, a project coordinator for the Iowa Foundation for Medical Care, said Clark's tactic of skipping Iowa was a mistake she hopes he does not repeat if he runs in 2008.

"I hope he does run," Pedrick said. "And this time he should come to Iowa."

However, some party activists say Clark has not worked as hard as other would-be candidates to stay in touch with potential backers.

Clark, who was making his second trip to Iowa since the election, said he was focused on helping Democrats retake control of Congress.

However, Clark has said he would consider running if national security remained a top priority for voters in 2008.

"I haven't really thought about that," he said. "What I want to talk about is 2006."

[JLB]

Don't like McCain and don't like Hilary.

I like Wes Clark.OK thanks have a good one.

[uppy]

We know.

Did you know Wes Clark once almost started WW3? It's true!

And he killed David Koresh and the Branch Davidians? Totally true!


You know its true

[shiva2999]

You know its true

I so know this to be true in my gut it's become a core value.

[Mouldsie]

Wes Clark is bomb. FACT

[RabidBillsFan]

No shiva the left is hateful....thats the correct answer

Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, Karl Rove, and Rush Limbaugh are NOT as hateful?

News to me...!

[SpikedLemonade]

Shiva, you had to pose the question whether Americans are stupid?

[ckg68]

Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, Karl Rove, and Rush Limbaugh are NOT as hateful?

News to me...!

You forgot Ann Coulter,Glenn Beck,Michael Savage,etc.,ad nauseaum.

The list of these folks would choke this server.

[shiva2999]

Shiva, you had to pose the question whether Americans are stupid?

If it was a question there would be a question mark.

[SpikedLemonade]

If it was a question there would be a question mark.

Butt, Shiva, will the Americans?

[shiva2999]

Butt, Shiva, will the Americans?

Will the Americans what?

[uppy]

Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, Karl Rove, and Rush Limbaugh are NOT as hateful?

News to me...!

Thay just address the truth,no hate there.

[SpikedLemonade]

Will the Americans what?

Shiva are you getting old quickly or are you high?:headscratcher:

[shiva2999]

Shiva are you getting old quickly or are you high?:headscratcher:

No.

Have you been into the firewater?

[SpikedLemonade]

No.

Have you been into the firewater?

Of course.

[RabidBillsFan]

Thay just address the truth,no hate there.

They don't address the truth- any intelligent voter from ANY part of the spectrum will tell you that Robertson and Limbaugh aren't tp be taken seriously.

[Meathead]

I don't recall the same hate of bill clinton
hahahhahahahhahhahhhahahahahhahhhahha

oh wait you were serious

ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?!?!?!

they despised him so much they spend millions of dollars and wasted month after month to catch him in something ... ANYTHING, putting the entire agenda of the country on hold for their witch hunt. and when they came up totally empty they had a grotesquely homely woman secretly tape her friends phone calls so they could try to catch the prez in an embarrassing lie about a bj

it was the republicans that started this whole cycle of venomous hate and theirs was based on nothing but blind partisan contempt. THIS president has committed real and grave sins upon our country and the world and wont be put on trial simply because we were stupid enough to allow one party to control both major parts of government simultaneously

worst

****ing

traitor

president

ever

[ckg68]

Thay just address the truth,no hate there.

And the truth includes,as Robertson once said,using a nuclear device at the State Dept.? Agreeing with Jerry Falwell when he went off on all those who were responsible for 9/11?

[RabidBillsFan]

And the truth includes,as Robertson once said,using a nuclear device at the State Dept.? Agreeing with Jerry Falwell when he went off on all those who were responsible for 9/11?

shhhhhhh... don't tell the truth! Don't you know that the "right" intelligence reports say that about the State Department? :guy:

I say lock Ahmadinejad and Robertson in one room, and Limbaugh and Garofalo is another room, and let em have at it!!! YAHOOO!! :)

[Ru]

Agreeing with Jerry Falwell when he went off on all those who were responsible for 9/11?

The queers were responsible right?

[sukie]

I say lock Ahmadinejad and Robertson in one room, and Limbaugh and Garofalo is another room, and let em have at it!!! YAHOOO!! :)

Ahmad...jad would kill Robertson since he is a christian and a non believer of Islam. Garafalo would cry.

[JLB]

You forgot Ann Coulter,Glenn Beck,Michael Savage,etc.,ad nauseaum.

The list of these folks would choke this server.The important thing is you did not forget them.