Mike Mayock is out of his mind: Whitner to Bills at 8?

[Merk]

The guy is on crack if he thinks we are taking Whitner that high



1. Houston: Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2. New Orleans: Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina State
3. Tennessee: Vince Young, QB, Texas
4. N.Y. Jets: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
5. Green Bay: A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State
6. San Francisco: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
7. Oakland: Michael Huff, S, Texas
8. Buffalo: Donte Whitner, S, Ohio State
9. Detroit: Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State
10. Arizona: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
11. St. Louis: Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
12. Cleveland: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
13. Baltimore: Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State
14. Philadelphia: Nick Mangold, C, Ohio State
15. Denver: Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
16. Miami: Winston Justice, OT, USC
17. Minnesota: Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
18. Dallas: Manny Lawson, LB, North Carolina State
19. San Diego: Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
20. Kansas City: Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
21. New England: DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama
22. San Francisco: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
23. Tampa Bay: Eric Winston, OT, Miami
24. Cincinnati: Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech
25. N.Y. Giants: Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
26. Chicago: Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
27. Carolina: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
28. Jacksonville: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
29. N.Y. Jets: Kamerion Wimbley, DE, Florida State
30. Indianapolis: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
31. Seattle: Richard Marshall, CB, Fresno State
32. Pittsburgh: Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9403416

[Merk]

This is also the answer to to another thread


This is the guy I will put my fist through the TV if we selct him at 8

[admarc]

He Falls way too much in love with "his guys". That's nuts. I like Whiner in the 3rd round, not the 8th pick. WTF.

[Merk]

He Falls way too much in love with "his guys". That's nuts. I like Whiner in the 3rd round, not the 8th pick. WTF.


I think he could go in the late first to the mid 2nd, but he is by no means a top 10 pick



If the Bills drop into the 20's and picked him then, ok I can live w/ that, as long as they stockpile a bunch of 1st dayers



But there is no way in Hell we are taking him at 8

[Jayhawk]

I'd laugh if that happens

[BuffaloSoldier2]

There's a reason he's on television and not running a NFL team

[SC FAN]

That is by far the worst mock I have seen this year.. What a moron..

[gilchristfan]

As much as I hate safeties, I didn't mind the GBN having us take this guy in the 3rd:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/s

Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska (6-0½, 212, 4.40)
Bullocks had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran his 40s in 4.39 and 4.41, had a 38-inch vertical jump, 10-foot-4 long jump, 4.16 short shuttle, 6.91 three-cone drill, and did 18 lifts. He was a quarterback and free safety in high school, and was named Mr. Tennessee for football in 2000 when he rushed for 1,432 yards, passed for five touchdowns and also caught 10 passes. After redshirting in 2001, he started 10 games in 2002 and '03, and started 23 games in his junior and senior campaigns. He is a very competitive player, physical, very instinctive, great character, and is a hard worker with good athletic ability. However, he lacks good hands and will drop some interceptions. Bullocks will play at a high level for a long time.

Good speed, agility, size, etc, (4.4 with a 40" vertical and good cone and shuttle times) but one of the problems was playing on a bad Nebraska D. Seems to be a good value in the 3rd.

[FknGvna]

Why do people's mocks change every wk? Ngata, Spencer, Stovall, Trueblood.

[admarc]

As much as I hate safeties, I didn't mind the GBN having us take this guy in the 3rd:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/s

Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska (6-0½, 212, 4.40)


there are a couple of SS that would be good options in the 3rd. Pollard is another I'd like in the 3rd. Whitner has shot up to the 1st in most mocks, but I don't think he is much better than Bing, Daniel Manning (who may be seen as a CB or FS as well) or Pollard, only only marginally better than Bullocks. They all pale next to Huff. If they are thinking SS, the pick better be Huff at 8.

[gilchristfan]

I really couldn't say that the drop off is that much, and not if we can get, a top DL or even LT in the process. I'd just as soon take the guy that's a half step slower, literally (4.32 vs. 4.38) if available at 70, and use my no. 8 for an area of need where I think there is a bigger dropoff, like DT (I think there's a dropoff after Ngata and Bunk) or LT (bigger dropoff after Brick and Justice).

But then, I've never liked safeties anyways. Wideout wannabies without the hands. :D

[BillsCAfan]

As a huge OSU fan, I like Whitner, but even I would admit, he's not top 10 material. Not yet anyway. If he would have stayed another year, which he SHOULD have (that bastard), he could have been top 10 next year.

[TheAnswer74]

HE STOLE MY PICK!!! Punk! ;)

We will see what happens, but for some reason Whitner's name keeps poping in my mind, but after trading down atleast once, I say twice though.

I feel the Bills #1 target after a trade down is Winston Justice, if he is gone, they will trade down again and take Whitner, that was my prediction.

[polgard]

Mayock is also the same guy who had Jay Cutler as the top QB in the draft.

[Range Roamer]

Mayock has no respect for the Bills organization and so he professes the obsered pick to reflect how little he thinks of us.

[UK_BillsFan]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9403416 - Mayock
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=85966 - Pompei

Out of the blue multiple draft predictions are mentioning Donte Whitner in connection with our pick. Has something slipped out from One Bills Drive to the media? In the pre-draft press conference Marv mentioned that "the player we like" would probably be available somewhat lower down, there's no doubt Whitner would fit that description. If there's any validity to this then it's a strong hint they're looking to deal down a few picks, or perhaps significantly further, in the 1st round.

[Merk]

I dont mind Whitner



but def not at the 8 spot



If we want him we should def move down

[Bufsabresnu]

I hope this isn't true. We need to address that OL and DL before the secodary IMO.

[Merk]

Another thing to consider is maybe this is who they have there eye on w/ the Bears pick and if he falls to there the Bills and Bears will make a trade

[dwightdrane]

whitner is a player. of course being a buck i am completely biased. but here this: if we draft him at #8 even the most biased fan will crap himself. sure, his jersey will be mine, but it would be an absolutley awful pick. sure. trade down and get him....but if we take him at 8 then we have completely lost it. i shouldnt say we....instead i will say....RALPH!

[BillsCAfan]

instead i will say....RALPH!

And what about Marv and Modrak? :D

[dwightdrane]

And what about Marv and Modrak? :D

that goes without saying

[slowpokemcgee]

That is by far the worst mock I have seen this year.. What a moron..

Did you see Skip Bayless' thing morning. Awful stuff.

[admarc]

We had him going to the Bills 2 months ago in the War Room Draft. It was in the 3rd round though. http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=84638&page=26

[admarc]

Another thing to consider is maybe this is who they have there eye on w/ the Bears pick and if he falls to there the Bills and Bears will make a trade

I'd have no problem with that. The kid flies to the ball, wraps his arms and holds on for dear life. He doesn't hit as hard and he's a little faster, but he reminds me of Antoine Winfield. Check out his highlights, it looks like everyone else is moving in slow mo. I love the sack on Young. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/prospects?rank_type=11

[buffan100]

Based on the draft value chart we could trade up to #6 using our 3rd round pick or trade our 2nd rounder and move up to #4. Witner should be avaiable at #4.

[TheAnswer74]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9403416 - Mayock
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=85966 - Pompei

Out of the blue multiple draft predictions are mentioning Donte Whitner in connection with our pick. Has something slipped out from One Bills Drive to the media? In the pre-draft press conference Marv mentioned that "the player we like" would probably be available somewhat lower down, there's no doubt Whitner would fit that description. If there's any validity to this then it's a strong hint they're looking to deal down a few picks, or perhaps significantly further, in the 1st round.

I tell people to remember the name Donte Whitner earlier today and all of a sudden everyone is bringing him up.

These "experts" are stealing my thunder.

[The Beef]

we aren't going to make that reach. i could see one huge reach. manny lawson. he's beefed up to about 245, could very much be in the freeney mold. you don't have to put small DE's in a 3-4 if your entire front 7 is quick, and can penetrate gaps. and that is definetly where the bills are going. i think bunkley might have an inside track, might... but i could definetly see a move made for lawson.

[TheAnswer74]

we aren't going to make that reach. i could see one huge reach. manny lawson. he's beefed up to about 245, could very much be in the freeney mold. you don't have to put small DE's in a 3-4 if your entire front 7 is quick, and can penetrate gaps. and that is definetly where the bills are going. i think bunkley might have an inside track, might... but i could definetly see a move made for lawson.

You could be correct about Lawson. He got a 43 on his wonderlick. He is a very smart player and fits what Marv wants and what this defense needs, a speed edge rusher.

Freeney is like 268 though. Lawson would have to be alittle heavier.

[BillsCAfan]

I tell people to remember the name Donte Whitner earlier today and all of a sudden everyone is bringing him up.

These "experts" are stealing my thunder.

They're probably just reading what you read just a little later.

I read Whitner articles this morning too on nfl.com

[TheAnswer74]

They're probably just reading what you read just a little later.

I read Whitner articles this morning too on nfl.com

I didnt even read it until friday evening.

I like WHitner a lot. Plus, look at the Karma we have with Ohio State DB's.

[The Beef]

You could be correct about Lawson. He got a 43 on his wonderlick. He is a very smart player and fits what Marv wants and what this defense needs, a speed edge rusher.

Freeney is like 268 though. Lawson would have to be alittle heavier.

i don't think adding another 12 pounds would be out of the question or affect his game. he's basically put on 25 pounds since the end of the season, with 6 more months until the start of camp, he could efinetly grow some more.

i didn't even know about the wonderlizzle. for me, it's great to see a player with a high score, but athletic ability doesn't lie in the written test. that said, i would be hard pressed to draft anybody who scores lower then a 14 or 15.

[BillsCAfan]

I didnt even read it until friday evening.

I like WHitner a lot. Plus, look at the Karma we have with Ohio State DB's.

I really like Whitner. I'm biased as a OSU fan, but I think he should have stayed in school one more year. He's still a bit raw and has tons of potential, but he isn't a 8th pick worthy. If we trade down in the 12-14 range then yeah.

And we have had good karma with ohio state DBs....but ohio state produces good DBs in general....Clements, Springs, Winfield, Doss, Gamble, and Whitner and Youboty this year.

[TheAnswer74]

I really like Whitner. I'm biased as a OSU fan, but I think he should have stayed in school one more year. He's still a bit raw and has tons of potential, but he isn't a 8th pick worthy. If we trade down in the 12-14 range then yeah.

And we have had good karma with ohio state DBs....but ohio state produces good DBs in general....Clements, Springs, Winfield, Doss, Gamble, and Whitner and Youboty this year.

Yeah.

I cant friggin sleep.

[BillsCAfan]

Yeah.

I cant friggin sleep.

Yeah, neither can I.

You know that Disneyland commercial with the kid that can't go to bed cuz he's too excited....haha, well I'm the kid and tomorrow is my disneyland. :D

[MasterPAG]

Uhh, this guy deserves a raise, move over Mel Kiper Jr.

[Merk]

Ok I was wrong :)


Mayock apparently knows what hes talking about


Marv is the one who is out of his mind :)

[Bills82]

Wow i guess he wasn't out of his mind after all...LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man the Bills always surprise the hell out of me with what they do...I was hoping for a defensive tackle, but i guess that'll have to wait until round 2.

[Bsmith26]

This needs another bump. He called it.

[Ralonzo]

This is the guy I will put my fist through the TV if we selct him at 8

Have you gone to the hospital yet?

You know that Disneyland commercial with the kid that can't go to bed cuz he's too excited....haha, well I'm the kid and tomorrow is my disneyland. :D

Yeah... except that on this particular visit Edward Gein was in the Goofy suit.

[BlueNGold24]

:rofl:

[TRIPLE P]

Ok I was wrong :)


Mayock apparently knows what hes talking about


Marv is the one who is out of his mind :)


Mayocks Mock was probablt one of the more accurate "expert" ones.....

Experts are stupid.

[FinNasty]

This is also the answer to to another thread


This is the guy I will put my fist through the TV if we selct him at 8

Are you ok? Hows your hand?

[jaymitch84]

... and Whitner and Youboty this year.

You heard it here first!

[UK_BillsFan]

Pro Football Weekly also predicted we'd take Whitner (although after a trade down with Philly) and Dan Pompeii of Sporting News also mentioned him as a possible selection at no.8 though he didn't actually say we'd pick him.

With those sources and Mayock suddenly predicting Whitner to the Bills on the eve of the draft, when there had not been even the slightest hint of such a pick in the weeks before, I somewhat doubt it had anything to do with their "expert" skills of prediction. Instead they likely received credible information to the effect that the Bills were targeting Whitner from people within the Bills or perhaps other teams.

In fact it seems like the only outlet that didn't know was ESPN. Regardless, someone at One Bills Drive needs to keep quiet in future so that other teams and the media don't discover our intentions and diminish our leverage in trade negotiations.

[section101]

Guess this guy wasn't so out of line, although for the past couple weeks I thought he was smoking something too. The NFL Network's coverage slammed ESPN. I only turned to hear Boomer's comments before the Bills picked and he must not be getting that same cabbie as I didn't hear squat for the 2 picks. Cory Chavious is sooo much better than Kiper too.

[admarc]

Pro Football Weekly also predicted we'd take Whitner (although after a trade down with Philly) and Dan Pompeii of Sporting News also mentioned him as a possible selection at no.8 though he didn't actually say we'd pick him.

With those sources and Mayock suddenly predicting Whitner to the Bills on the eve of the draft, when there had not been even the slightest hint of such a pick in the weeks before, I somewhat doubt it had anything to do with their "expert" skills of prediction. Instead they likely received credible information to the effect that the Bills were targeting Whitner from people within the Bills or perhaps other teams.

In fact it seems like the only outlet that didn't know was ESPN. Regardless, someone at One Bills Drive needs to keep quiet in future so that other teams and the media don't discover our intentions and diminish our leverage in trade negotiations.

I generally agree, to Mayock's credit he was very high on Whitner all along. He was always his #1 rated Saftey (he has Huff as a CB) and always said first round grade. I give him props for this and he raised his status in my eyes after this draft.

Hey, and not just him, props to the Answer and BillsCAfan. It would be great if any of you Ohio State fans could write up a report on Youboty and Whitner. If you do, post it and we'll get it up on the BBI.