Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin Tailback - someone is getting a heck of a RB

[buffan100]

My title says it all. I really wish the Bills could get him in the 3rd. I know there are some on the board that have "Big 10 sickness" and feel anyone from Michigan and Ohio St. are instant studs because they broke into the storied lineups of these perrenial top 25 teams (gag, gag)

However, Brian Calhoun is a guy who pound for pound may be the best FB player in the country east of Vince Young and Reggie Bush.

3rd down back of the future anyone?

[treydawg]

Agree big time. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up the second best back in the draft.

[rufc05]

I would be very surprised if he ends up 2nd best back in the draft. Laurence Maroney, Reggie Bush, Deangelo Williams, and Jerious Norwood will all be better than this man.
How many big 10 rbs have turned out to be complete busts??????

It has been shown many times that SEC running backs are a lot more successful in the NFL than Big 10 running backs

[rufc05]

http://www.lance1360homer.com/2005_02_13_lance1360homer_archive.html

Take a look at this link. 11 Rb's drafting in the last 10 years in SEC have had multiple 1000 yard rushing season. 45 drafted from SEC in past 10 years

Only one in the Big 10 has (Eddie George) out of 47 drafted rbs in past 10 years. Only 5 have had 1 1000 yard season.

This link was posted in 2005.

[TRIPLE P]

I know there are some on the board that have "Big 10 sickness" and feel anyone from Michigan and Ohio St. are instant studs because they broke into the storied lineups of these perrenial top 25 teams (gag, gag)



Isn't Wisconcin in the Big 10?

I'll take ANY player who played well against Big 10 competition....

thats my point.... if a guy played in conference usa and ran for 1600+ yards and Calhoun did the same playing against the Big 10 its clear who you go with.

[rufc05]

Its clear that Big 10 rbs have done nothing in the NFL.

[TRIPLE P]

Its clear that Big 10 rbs have done nothing in the NFL.


Eddie George?

Larry Johnson?

Robert Smith?

Chris Perry is preety good... Marion Barber.... up and comers.....

TJ Duckett, A-Train, Michael Bennett? They've been pretty good NFLer's

[rufc05]

Including Larry Johnson, in the past 10 years there have been 6 players out of about 50 drafted in the big 10 that have rushed for even 1000 yards. Eddie George is the only one to do it more than once.

Compare that to the SEC, where they have 13 with more than 1000 atleast once and 11 have had multi-years over 1000. Its pretty sad when you have to include the Atrain in your list of good rb's out of the big Ten in the last 10 years to make the list longer than two names

[TRIPLE P]

Including Larry Johnson, in the past 10 years there have been 6 players out of about 50 drafted in the big 10 that have rushed for even 1000 yards. Eddie George is the only one to do it more than once.

Compare that to the SEC, where they have 13 with more than 1000 atleast once and 11 have had multi-years over 1000. Its pretty sad when you have to include the Atrain in your list of good rb's out of the big Ten in the last 10 years to make the list longer than two names


I never said "The Big Ten is an RB factory" ....I know there are better conferences......

You've gotta read the posts....

If you asked me if I'd rather have a SEC Rb over a Big Ten RB....of course I'd say SEC.....

SEC RB's
Big Ten Linemen
Big Ten LB's
Pac10 QB's
ACC WR's
BigTen WR's
BigTen CB's


i like those kind of players..... some are better than others....but if you played above average in a major i want you over a guy with similar stats in the Mac or Conf USA.....

[rufc05]

I read the post, and I agree that normally players from bigger conferences have a higher success rate. But you are gonna have to stop being such a Big Ten homer.
Don't tell me that the Big Ten has the best lineman, linebackers, wr's, and cb's. That is absurd.

[CJBS]

He is a heck of a talent but a bit small YES a great 3rd down back he'd be but not sure of his handling a full load in the NFL. Against the Bigger schools in the Big 10 he didnt fare well except for the Michigan game but they werent that great this year Here are his stats But he did eat up a Auburn team though he had a months rest but faded in the last 2 big 10 games before hte week off till Hawaii
Sep. 03 Bowling Green 43 258 5 6.0 1 39 0 39.0 297 5
Sep. 10 Temple 11 42 1 3.8 1 20 0 20.0 62 1
Sep. 17 North Carolina 38 171 2 4.5 4 26 0 6.5 197 2
Sep. 24 Michigan 35 155 1 4.4 7 59 0 8.4 214 1
Oct. 01 Indiana 26 101 1 3.9 2 23 0 11.5 124 1
Oct. 08 Northwestern 23 122 1 5.3 11 128 0 11.6 250 1
Oct. 15 Minnesota 23 110 3 4.8 3 29 0 9.7 139 3
Oct. 22 Purdue 20 62 0 3.1 5 78 2 15.6 140 2
Oct. 29 Illinois 35 197 5 5.6 2 37 0 18.5 234 5
Nov. 05 Penn State 20 38 1 1.9 6 48 0 8.0 86 1
Nov. 12 Iowa 15 18 0 1.2 8 69 0 8.6 87 0
Nov. 25 Hawaii 29 149 1 5.1 2 7 0 3.5 156 1
Jan. 02 Auburn 30 213 1 7.1 1 8 0 8.0 221 1

[TRIPLE P]

I read the post, and I agree that normally players from bigger conferences have a higher success rate. But you are gonna have to stop being such a Big Ten homer.
Don't tell me that the Big Ten has the best lineman, linebackers, wr's, and cb's. That is absurd.


I didn't tell you that.....

But the Big Ten has churned out some of the best OL, WR's, CB's, and LB's around......not the only good one, just good ones....

And why wouldn't i be a big ten homer...The Big Ten is the Best conference in football.......

[rufc05]

Big Ten best conference in football... Hahhahahahaha. You are crazy. SEC, is the best by far.

The only perenially elite-great teams the Big Ten has are Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Penn State had a long break, but they seem to be climbing back up too. Iowa, Minnesota, and Purdue are all on the next level of decent-good teams normally. But Ohio State and Michigan are the only two teams in the Big Ten conference that regularly show up in the top 10.

The SEC however has 4 or 5 teams showing up in the top 10 every single year. LSU, Florida, Auburn, and Tennessee are all elite programs. Alabama and Georgia are not far behind either.

[TRIPLE P]

Big Ten best conference in football... Hahhahahahaha. You are crazy. SEC, is the best by far.


Right..... You're kidding right?

Is the SEC a great football conference? Sure. I love SEC football, its alot like big ten football.....

Big Ten Football is just better.

We've got the best team (tOSU) the best rivalry (tOSU vs scUM) The best stadium (the shoe) the best coach (Tressel) ....

[TRIPLE P]

The SEC however has 4 or 5 teams showing up in the top 10 every single year. LSU, Florida, Auburn, and Tennessee are all elite programs. Alabama and Georgia are not far behind either.


Except last year.

[rufc05]

Right..... You're kidding right?

Is the SEC a great football conference? Sure. I love SEC football, its alot like big ten football.....

Big Ten Football is just better.

We've got the best team (tOSU) the best rivalry (tOSU vs scUM) The best stadium (the shoe) the best coach (Tressel) ....

OSU the best team, Are you serious???????

[rufc05]

Except last year.

Last year LSU, Georgia, and Alabama were all in the top 10 for a good portion of the year. Florida was in the top 10 for a little while. And Auburn was in the top 15 for a long time.

Yea Michigan is usually good except last year. Penn State normally sucks, but they were good last year.

If you want to talk about last year, go right ahead. Your conference will be spanked. If you wanna talk about complete history it might be close

[rufc05]

Lets compare OSU to a team you probably don't think extremely highly of, the georgia bulldogs, lets compare the last 2 years records of these two teams.

OSU 18-6
Georgia 20-5

So a team that I wouldn't consider the best in the SEC is better than OSU, a team that you claim to be the absolute best.

[TRIPLE P]

If you want to talk about last year, go right ahead. Your conference will be spanked. If you wanna talk about complete history it might be close

Last year...2 teams in the top 5.....

Next year...Ohio State will be the preseason #1

[TRIPLE P]

Lets compare OSU to a team you probably don't think extremely highly of, the georgia bulldogs, lets compare the last 2 years records of these two teams.

OSU 18-6
Georgia 20-5

So a team that I wouldn't consider the best in the SEC is better than OSU, a team that you claim to be the absolute best.


Ohio State would have crushed Georgia last year.

Ohio State has what....4 top five finishes and a national chamionship in the last five years?

[rufc05]

Ohio State would have crushed Georgia last year.

Ohio State has what....4 top five finishes and a national chamionship in the last five years?

That's a baseless comment if I ever saw one. I can do that too, Georgia would have crushed Ohio State last year.

The SEC had 2 top 5 teams last year and 3 in the top 10.

On top of that, do I really need to compare Ohio State to USC in the past 5 years. Talk about crushing a team. USC is the best team in the nation in the past 5 years. There is no arguing that. So don't give that OSU homer crap.

And next year, many people have said west virginia will be preseason #1.

[rufc05]

Let me reach common ground with you, the SEC and Big Ten are actually surprisingly close in records the past 4 years. Take a look at the top 7 teams in each conference.

I will alternate records so you can compare 1 to 1 and 2 to 2 and so on.

Georgia: 44-9
OSU: 43-8

LSU: 41-11
Iowa: 38-12

Auburn: 39-12
Mich: 36-14

Tenn: 33-17
Wis: 34-18

UF: 32-18
Minn: 32-18

Bama: 30-20
Purd: 28-21

Ark: 27-22
PSU: 27-21

Top 7 Overall
SEC: 246-109
Big Ten: 238-112

SEC holds slight advantage, but its closer than I thought

[rufc05]

The rest of the respective conferences records the past 4 years:

SEC: 85-138 for 38.12 winning percentage
Big 10: 67-122 for 35.45 winning percentage

Overall:
SEC: 331-247 for 57.27 winning percentage
Big 10: 305-234 for 56.58 winning percentage

And the SEC won a national championship more recently. 2003 LSU.

So the SEC is a little bit better. It is actually a lot closer then I would have guessed.

[treydawg]

You picked a period that PSU has been horrid in. The Big Ten has 3 great teams, PSU, OSU, and UM.

[buffan100]

Last year LSU, Georgia, and Alabama were all in the top 10 for a good portion of the year. Florida was in the top 10 for a little while. And Auburn was in the top 15 for a long time.

Yea Michigan is usually good except last year. Penn State normally sucks, but they were good last year.

If you want to talk about last year, go right ahead. Your conference will be spanked. If you wanna talk about complete history it might be close

Bama was as high as #3 and I believe finished #8.

[buffan100]

Bama: 30-20
Purd: 28-21

Top 7 Overall
SEC: 246-109
Big Ten: 238-112

SEC holds slight advantage, but its closer than I thought

Bama has been on probation for 5 years and recently had 4 and 3 win seasons. Expect more 9-11 win seasons out of them over the next 10 years. I don't think anyone can say that for Purdue.

SEC v. Big 10 isn't close in my opinion. Not even the ACC compares with the conference's top 6.

[TRIPLE P]

The SEC had 2 top 5 teams last year and 3 in the top 10.


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Texas
USC
Penn St
Ohio State
W. Virginia


Which of those teams are in the SEC?

[rufc05]

You picked a period that PSU has been horrid in. The Big Ten has 3 great teams, PSU, OSU, and UM.

I didn't pick a period, its called the last 4 years, and I used them because the stats were most readily available.

Do you want to talk about the haydays of alabama, florida, tennessee, and ole miss because that will be even more lopsided. Mississippi State was also a beast for 4 or 5 years.

This is probably the best period I could've "picked" to help the Big 10. In any other period the SEC kicks even more Big 10 Ass

[rufc05]

Texas
USC
Penn St
Ohio State
W. Virginia


Which of those teams are in the SEC?

I didn't say they finished in the top 5, just that they were in it for an extended period of time last year. LSU and Bama both were in the top 5 a while. And LSU would have been in it longer had they not lost their first game to tennessee by giving up an 21 point lead late in the game, because they went on a big winning streak after that.

[TRIPLE P]

I didn't say they finished in the top 5, just that they were in it for an extended period of time last year. LSU and Bama both were in the top 5 a while. And LSU would have been in it longer had they not lost their first game to tennessee by giving up an 21 point lead late in the game, because they went on a big winning streak after that.


Nope...you said the SEC had two top five teams last year.....


And it looks to me like the Buckeyes had ANOTHER 7 first day picks....making 49 Buckeye draft picks since 2000.....pro football machine....

[rufc05]

The real stat to look at is how many of those 49 picks are doing well in the NFL. But I don't have the time or desire to do the research