Clayton reports Bills trying to acquire...

[Poz51]

Bills | Talking potential trade with Bears
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:05 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are attempting to acquire a second first round pick. The Chicago Bears, who own the No. 26 pick, may be interested in dealing.


From KFFL

[Poz51]

Wouldn't it be absolutely awesome to see us get the 26th pick and then with our two first rounder select:

DT Brodrick Bunkley and DE Mathias Kiwanuka

[l3ills]

I would love 2 first rounders

[blade29]

For what, Nate Clements?

[Poz51]

I think it'd cost us our 2nd rounder, one of our 3rds, and possibly a 5th.

[DezertBill]

They would probably have to offer a 1st next year, 3rd and fifth this year (they have 2 selections in each round this draft) similar to what they paid for Losman.

Question is, for who?

They must see someone thtey are in love with that still may be around at 26...

I'm thinking an offensive lineman

[rufc05]

They would probably have to offer a 1st next year, 3rd and fifth this year (they have 2 selections in each round this draft) similar to what they paid for Losman.

Question is, for who?

They must see someone thtey are in love with that still may be around at 26...

I'm thinking an offensive lineman

There is no way we give up next year's first for pick #26. That would be the dumbest thing we could do. We could very well have a top 5 pick next year.

Marv is not dumb, he should be fired on the spot if he trades next year's first

[JerseyBills]

As long as we don't swap next year's pick to get the extra 1st rd this year it's ok.'Cause if we do and the pick plays marginally, we'll have to hear and read how we GAVE UP a 1st rd pick, again!

[JLB]

This might happen Bears could really use a guy like Clements but if they pursue us I want more than just their first round pick. I think we could also get at least one early 2nd day pick if they want him bad enough.

[Poz51]

I wouldn't trade Nate. I'm not his biggest supporter, but trading him will not make us better. If we could nab Bunkley early in the 1st and Kiwanuka later, think about this defense:

DE - Schobel, Kiwanuka
DT - Tripplett, Bunkley
LB - Spikes, Fletcher, Posey
CB - Clements, McGee
S - Vincent, Bowen

Looks solid to me

[hello]

Mangold??

[JLB]

I think it'd cost us our 2nd rounder, one of our 3rds, and possibly a 5th.Please explain I don`t follow your explanation we shouldn`t have to give anything but Nate for their first and early 2nd day choice or no deal.:shake: :shake: :wooter: :wooter: :wooter:

[DezertBill]

There is no way we give up next year's first for pick #26. That would be the dumbest thing we could do. We could very well have a top 5 pick next year.

Marv is not dumb, he should be fired on the spot if he trades next year's first


I agree.

I also hope they don't swap a 2nd, 3rd and 5th this draft for an additional 1st rounder.

The bills aren't taht close to winning. they need picks, and talent.

I predict the bills are looking to trade their 2nd and one of their 3rds this year to move up to 2.

anything more, don't do it

[JoeMama]

DE - Schobel, Kiwanuka
DT - Tripplett, Bunkley
LB - Spikes, Fletcher, Posey
CB - Clements, McGee
S - Vincent, Bowen



I'd prefer to get a better SS than Matt Bowen.

Maybe see if Rashad Baker can make the switch, he seems like a player.

Also, I'd start Angelo Crowell over Jeff Posey.

Kiwunaka would be great. Especially since it'd pave the way for Dennelsay's departure.

I prefer Ngata over Bunkley but I'll take either one.

[Poz51]

So nobody else here would be in favor of parting with a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th this year to move up the #26 and bring in Mathias Kiwanuka, who has tons of talent, is big on character, and was rated in the Top 15 a few months back. He's got tremendous size, solid speed, and could come in and give us a stou front 4 of Schobel, Tripplett, Bunkley (if we draft him), and Kiwanuka. The DE class isn't that deep in this year's draft; Kiwanuka would be one player I'd be willing to trade a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th for. Even if we did that, we'd still have a 3rd round pick, a 4th, two 6th, and a 7th. Hell, we may even add an extra 2nd or 3rd if we were to trade down a few spots in the 1st as has been speculated.

[rufc05]

I don't really want to trade any picks this year, unless we are trading down. I don't want to give up anything to get back into the first because there is an incredible wealth of talent in this draft.

[rufc05]

I want as many picks as possible.

[Poz51]

I'd prefer to get a better SS than Matt Bowen.

Maybe see if Rashad Baker can make the switch, he seems like a player.

Also, I'd start Angelo Crowell over Jeff Posey.

Kiwunaka would be great.

I'd prefer Ngata over Bunkley but I'll take both.

I'd like to see what Baker can do as well; I think he's got talent.
I'd rather start Crowell too, but I think the Bills would rather start Posey, which is why I listed him as the starter.
I'd prefer Bunkley in this defense, but picking Ngata wouldn't upset me much either, as I was high on him a year ago when some said he might come out.

[Poz51]

No I would be pissed, because we have a high 2nd and a high 3rd. That is way too much to give to move up 15 spots or so.

We got 2 high 3rds. And I wouldn't be upset if we got a player with Kiwanuka's ability and vast potential. You're probably not going to get Kiwanuka where we sit in Round 2 - there won't be a DE as good as Kiwi where we sit in Round 2.

So what it boils down to is would you rather give up what I said (not that huge of a price) or would you rather settle for yet another season of mediocrity from our high motor caucasion duo of Kelsay and Denney?

[JoeMama]

I'd like to see what Baker can do as well; I think he's got talent.
I'd rather start Crowell too, but I think the Bills would rather start Posey, which is why I listed him as the starter.
I'd prefer Bunkley in this defense, but picking Ngata wouldn't upset me much either, as I was high on him a year ago when some said he might come out.

Either way, the defensive line-up has the potential to look pretty good considering where we started from.

All we need is a little luck in the draft & maybe a move or two in FA after June 1st.

[Poz51]

Consider this to: say we trade down from #8 with the Rams and acquire an additional 3rd rounder. Then we trade up to #26 with the Bears and part with our 2nd, our original 3rd, and our 5th.

We'd be left with the following picks:

Round 1 - Picks 11, 26
Round 3 - Picks 3, 11
Round 4 - Pick 8
Round 6 - Pick 8 and another pick
Round 7 - Pick 8

How can you tell me you'd rather have our original picks rather than these?

[buffan100]

The Bills MAY be trading back from #8 to #11 and picking up a 3rd rounder. 11 draft choices doesn't make much sense, so we'd like offer our 2nd and our highest 3rd to a team around #24-#28 in round 1. I believe on the draft value chart our #2/#3 equal something in that range.

[ddpderek]

So nobody else here would be in favor of parting with a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th this year to move up the #26 and bring in Mathias Kiwanuka, who has tons of talent, is big on character, and was rated in the Top 15 a few months back. He's got tremendous size, solid speed, and could come in and give us a stou front 4 of Schobel, Tripplett, Bunkley (if we draft him), and Kiwanuka. The DE class isn't that deep in this year's draft; Kiwanuka would be one player I'd be willing to trade a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th for. Even if we did that, we'd still have a 3rd round pick, a 4th, two 6th, and a 7th. Hell, we may even add an extra 2nd or 3rd if we were to trade down a few spots in the 1st as has been speculated.


thats way to much and I think he will be left when we pick in the 2nd round.

I think the Bears are lookin to dump the first rounder for some picks next year.

[jimd]

Maybe they want to acquire the 26th so they can package it with their 8th and move up to the top three for a chance at Ferguson? Not saying I agree, but it's a possibility. I'd much rather see them trade down and stock-pile 2nd and 3rd round picks.

[Poz51]

We could land the following with our Top 4 Picks, if we had the 4 1st day picks as I said a post ago:

DT Brodrick Bunkley (Florida State)
DE Mathias Kiwanuka (Boston College)
OT Paul McQuistan (Weber State)
CB/S

[sdolan11]

Whatever happens . . . Clements won't be involved IMO . . .the Bears just picked up Manning Jr., they have Charles Tillman, and Nathan Vasher. They're set at CB . . .if anything, it would be a pick trade.

[TRIPLE P]

Double trade?

Trade a 2 and a 3 for pick 26....

Trade down with STL, our 8 to the mid round get a two right back.....

Then have picks 11, 26, there 2nd, our 3rd or something like that.

[JayHall93]

If we have a player targeted in that area, then grab it. it shouldn't be that high of a price to swap a late first with an early second. plus, we'll have an extra day 1 pick from trading out of the 8th spot.

[ddpderek]

We could land the following with our Top 4 Picks, if we had the 4 1st day picks as I said a post ago:

DT Brodrick Bunkley (Florida State)
DE Mathias Kiwanuka (Boston College)
OT Paul McQuistan (Weber State)
CB/S


Kiwanuka isnt worth it , I dont know who they be targeting here but I dont think this be the guy as he should be there when we pick in the 2nd round. Maybe they are lookin at a guy like McNeil, Jimmy Willams, Whitner, or Wimbley... heck I rather Hall then Kiwanuka.

and 2nd and a 3rd be alot tho... maybe a 2nd and a 5th

[blazedgame]

Double trade?

Trade a 2 and a 3 for pick 26....

Trade down with STL, our 8 to the mid round get a two right back.....

Then have picks 11, 26, there 2nd, our 3rd or something like that.


I like It!!!

[Might]

I wouldn't trade Nate. I'm not his biggest supporter, but trading him will not make us better. If we could nab Bunkley early in the 1st and Kiwanuka later, think about this defense:

DE - Schobel, Kiwanuka
DT - Tripplett, Bunkley
LB - Spikes, Fletcher, Posey
CB - Clements, McGee
S - Vincent, Bowen

Looks solid to me

Some teams have Kiwanuka as a 3rd round prospet. I bet he's there when we pick in Rd 2.

[skoorah720]

I bet the Bills are targetting a OT...someone like Eric Winston or Marcus McNeil? It would make sense especially if we moved down from 8th to 11th...

[skoorah720]

ESPN's John Clayton says that the Texans are also looking to trade up into the 1st round and are talking to the Bears too. He also said that the Bears dont' want to move below the 40th or 41st pick...the Bills hold the 42nd pick.

If the Texans are in the bidding we might have to give up more in order to make the move over the Texans.

[Purple Haze]

Wouldn't it be absolutely awesome to see us get the 26th pick and then with our two first rounder select:

DT Brodrick Bunkley and DE Mathias Kiwanuka

Nah, I think one of these combinations:

Huff and Marcus McNeil (OT-Auburn)

Bunkley and Marcus McNeil

[Purple Haze]

Whatever happens . . . Clements won't be involved IMO . . .the Bears just picked up Manning Jr., they have Charles Tillman, and Nathan Vasher. They're set at CB . . .if anything, it would be a pick trade.


The Panthers could match that deal for Manning though.

[Purple Haze]

I agree.

I also hope they don't swap a 2nd, 3rd and 5th this draft for an additional 1st rounder.

The bills aren't taht close to winning. they need picks, and talent.

I predict the bills are looking to trade their 2nd and one of their 3rds this year to move up to 2.

anything more, don't do it

The Bills are closer to winning than you think. IF they address the OL and DL with players who do the job, they will be right in the mix. They have very good skill position players. Talent in the Linebacking corp. and secondary. Great Special Teams. If the line can block enough for us to run the ball consistently (Big If judging by the past five years, I know, but...) Then we can challenge teams. I'm not saying Super Bowl, but they will be able to sneak a wild card chase into next season.

[ddpderek]

The Panthers could match that deal for Manning though.

No man they said they are not

[Willis Mcgahee]

The guys I can see us taking is:
1. Mangold
2. Mcneill
3. Gabe Watson (Maybe if we take Huff at 8)
4. Kiwanuka
5. Hali
6. Bing

[Poz51]

Some teams have Kiwanuka as a 3rd round prospet. I bet he's there when we pick in Rd 2.

I hope so.

[FinNasty]

They would probably have to offer a 1st next year, 3rd and fifth this year (they have 2 selections in each round this draft) similar to what they paid for Losman.

Question is, for who?

They must see someone thtey are in love with that still may be around at 26...

I'm thinking an offensive lineman

I'm thinking Leonard Pope... which would suck... because he is going to be the best TE in this draft...

OR

Packaging both 26 and 8 to move up in the 1st...

[emo]

I wouldn't touch kiwanuka with a ten foot pole, he is going to slide on draft day, he is not a high motor guy, eh well

how about bunkley, and pope? a nice 6 8 te would make one hell of a red zone target

from the sportingnews.com I can't link because its pay

The NFL draft selection process is an inexact science, often referred to as a "crapshoot." As a result, scouts try to consider every possible measureable: game stats, playing tendencies, strength, speed, agility, and the simplest height and weight measurements. These hard facts give scouts and coaches a framework on which to build their player evaluations. If these measureables are below average, are there factors in a player's makeup to overcome them? If a player has outstanding measureables, do they translate positively to his performance on the field? This is where the NFL personnel folks really earn their money, and apparently it is this part of the process that is causing concern for one of the draft's top pass rushers, Boston College's Mathias Kiwanuka.

The 6-5, 261-pound defensive end from Uganda is a physical specimen and was an extremely productive player for the Golden Eagles, recording 37 1/2 career sacks and 65 1/2 tackles for a loss, including 9 1/2 sacks and 16 1/2 TFLs as a senior. Those numbers seemed to place him firmly in the top echelon of players, and teams quickly slotted him into the first round. In the early part of the evaluation process, some teams had him pegged as a top-10 pick.

But as they continue to dive into the evaluation process, there have been telltale signs that Kiwanuka may not have the passion for the game that scouts would like or expect. At the Senior Bowl, they saw him get dominated by Virginia tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson and by his friend and teammate, Jeremy Trueblood. What they are finding is that Kiwanuka is a bright young man with outstanding athletic ability, but he may have other things on his mind. Kiwanuka doesn't appear to have the single-minded focus that teams like to see in a player they are going to spend a No. 1 pick on.

There are teams looking at him now as a guy they wouldn't touch in the first round. Some are saying they would take him in the second round, but even then they might not be excited about him. His physical attributes and intelligence should get him drafted, but he is no longer considered a top prospect.

[dball4u2]

I am kinda thinking if we get this pick in the later first round were gunna prolly end up with a DT with our first pick most likely Bunkley no matter if its at #8 or #11, But if u watch the interview on BB.com they are very High on Bing from USC and i love the way he plays and is a crazy big hitter!

[superman]

This doesnt make any sense. Hopefully they have someone in mind and hopefully they strike the deal on draft day. But just rolling the dice like that is ridiculous.

[ThomasVanek]

Davis at 8 and Mangold at 26 please

[brewman74]

I think it'd cost us our 2nd rounder, one of our 3rds, and possibly a 5th.screw that! Thats too much for 26. Keep our picks and be smart about it.

[coastal]

If it is for Mangold, Tatsui, or Davin...

**** yeah.

BTW... Cutler @ 8.

[SabreNasty2630]

Sorry if this was already posted, I took a glace and didn't see it anywhere

Bills | Talking potential trade with Bears
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:05 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Buffalo Bills are attempting to acquire a second first round pick. The Chicago Bears, who own the No. 26 pick, may be interested in dealing.

per KFFL

[SabreNasty2630]

sorry mods just found this in draft forum, my mistake, you can delete or merge if anyone replys

[Merk]

I think/hope it would be for Mangold, Davin, or Hali



I want nothing to do w/ Marcus McNeill. Any pro athlete who has a history of Back Problems is someone you want to stay away from

[JWatts]

According to the draft trade chart it would look something like this:

Bills get 1st Round #26 - 700 pts

Bears get 2nd Round #42 - 480 pts & 3rd Round #70 - 240 pts = 720 pts total

The third round is from the Titans.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/NickelPackage/tradevaluechart.htm

http://www.nflfans.com/draft/staticpages/index.php?page=20050112085020401

[crazyboi70]

Ngata/Bunkley & Tye Hill. I likey.

[1968_bills_fan]

Remember that we got rid of 3 of the top 4 DT's from last year and only got one FA as replacement. I don't see that Anderson is anything more than a second teamer, who won't hurt you too much when he is in there. Upgrading from Anderson is also desirable. Since Marv and common sense says that a DT rotation is a good idea, I guess we will draft two DT's to be part of the rotation and another DT late to push Anderson. Last year we lost the battles in the middle of the line (both lines). But the defense ends looked fair to okay. If you seriously upgrade the DT's- the DE's already in house will get less attention and start to look good or better. This isn't the sexy way to upgrade the DE position, but looks like the way the Bills are going.

[sukie]

Will we have enough salary room to sign all these high picks? YIKES.

[Dr. Who]

If the Rams want the #8, I think Bunkley has a good chance of being there at #11. If the Bills acquire another third, I would not mind moving up into late in the first. Kiwanuka's stock has dropped a lot lately. I prefer Hali if one is looking DE, but I would like Eric Winston, an athletic tackle that can play LT.

Cutler at #8 would be immensely foolish for a team with so many needs. If the braintrust is not sold on JP, I would love for us to look at Brodie Croyle in the second, but only if a scenario like the one above works out so that both lines are addressed in the first.

[Dr. Who]

I see my above hypothetical has us trading our second to move into the first and using that same second to take Brodie Croyle. Yes, that's my new plan. Trade the picks and use em too.:slam:

[Merk]

Will we have enough salary room to sign all these high picks? YIKES.



We'll have more than enough


I imagine our rookie Pool will be around 4 or 5 million

[angneli]

Davis if he's at 8, if not trade down to 11 and take Bunkley

then at 26 take, Davin Joseph or Mangold or Whitner.

[polgard]

I think the Bears may be wanting to stockpile picks for next year to make a run at drafting Brady Quinn, QB from Notre Dame.

[CincyBills]

What about Huff @ #8, then trading Clements and still possibly getting Bunkley. Some mocks have Bunkley dropping into the 20's.