Zero talk about QB coming from OBD = Jay Cutler

[coastal]

There has been little to no talk coming out of One Bills Drive regarding this year's quarterback crop.

That got me thinking.

Remember Willis. No talk and then...

blamo!!! The Bills picked the kid.

Now Marv is no Tom Donahoe but he is also a gamer. Always has been.

And he always had that for a quarterback in Jimbo.

Our quarterback depth is poor at best...

We have JP Losman with all the talent in the world. He just feels like a Rob Johnson clone...

...made plays that made you gush in supplication, but his personality disorders relegated him to NFL obscurity. Losman is in danger of heading down that road. The only difference between Rob and JP is that one is a burnout surfer who got over and the other one is a dick.

Then there is this Nall guy. I've never heard of him and he may very well be the next Jake Delhomme, but I' m not holding my breath.

Our next option is Kelly Holcomb. Great.

He sucks and is a stopgap for this year, or at least until someone breaks him.

So that makes two giant question marks and a pile of boney poop on our QB depth chart.

I'm thinking Marv might be looking for someone that according to one draft publication...

http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2006/players/6092.html

"Shows the leadership to win respect of teammates and motivate those around him. Has great passion for the game; finds ways to win."


That being said, with the 8th pick in the NFL draft the Buffalo Bills might... just might select quarterback from Vanderbilt...
http://geauxmag.com/images/09_01_2005/Jay-Cutler.jpg

[Phil3782]

I think you are overanalyzing the qb situation in Buffalo and the lack of communication of this years QB crop. Maybe Marv is telling the truth and is happy with what we have.

When it comes to the TD/ Willis pick, TD proved that he flew by the seat of his pants on draft day. No real plan on how to build the team just pick anyone that remotely excited him. Marv is more patient which is proven through his free agent moves. He would rather pick up or draft high character players that will fit into the team concept.

JP needs to prove himself this offseason and win this starting QB job. If he can not, then next year might be the time to find a replacement.

[Merk]

I mentioned this about the Jets and Mario Williams


You should always pay attention to the guys that GM's never mention when there is a need w/ him or if hes a highly touted prospect that might be around when they pick.



That being said I would be utterly shocked if we picked Cutler

[coastal]

That being said I would be utterly shocked if we picked Cutler
Aside from that, what would you think?

[Merk]

Aside from that, what would you think?


The first thing I would think is "Wow Marv must have one huge set of Brass Balls!"



I like Cutler more than I did Losman coming out of college. The few times I have seen him play he was impressive. Even though the odds were stacked against him he always kept his team in the game and gave them a chance or at least the thought that they could win.


I do worry about his inaccuracy and the school he played at a little. He also can make some questionable decisions sometimes but that may be b/c he thinks he has to make a play b/c of who has playing against.


If we do pick Cutler I cant say I would be gravely disappointed b/c I think it shows that Marv is not afraid to make a decision that he thinks will better the team. If he has decided from what he has seen that Losman is not the guy, then it takes guts to say only 2 years into his career “hey were cutting this guy loose b/c he doesn’t have it.” Many GM's have been fired b/c they were not bold enough to make that decision and or admit their(or another GM's) mistake.



If this move is made IMO Losman would have to be traded before Sunday

[GvilleBill]

If we pick a QB 1st, I'll puke. JP has not been given the chance he should be given. Name another team that would trash a pick that so much was riding on. We gave up some serious picks to get him and are ready to boot him after 8 games. No real rookie season to speak of, and he is anointed the starter. He failed early (but did improve later,imo). This guy didn't make himself the starter, the 2 headed bagadouche DonohLarkey did. Put him in an unwinnable (is that a word? I dunno) situation. And I don't want to hear about Big Ben and his candy-coated situation he lucked into. DonohLarkey sabotaged the kid, and now folks want him booted. JP will be the leader that this team has needed since Jim retired. When he wins back his job, he will have shown what makes a true leader. Who wouldn't follow a man that has dragged himself back from the ashes, and has come back stronger?
"What does not kill you makes you stronger."
Incidently, you'd think if this guy was such a dick, he would've called out his saboteurs in the press, but he is going about this admirably, and handling his business.

[GvilleBill]

The first thing I would think is "Wow Marv must have one huge set of Brass Balls!"



I like Cutler more than I did Losman coming out of college. The few times I have seen him play he was impressive. Even though the odds were stacked against him he always kept his team in the game and gave them a chance or at least the thought that they could win.


I do worry about his inaccuracy and the school he played at a little. He also can make some questionable decisions sometimes but that may be b/c he thinks he has to make a play b/c of who has playing against.


If we do pick Cutler I cant say I would be gravely disappointed b/c I think it shows that Marv is not afraid to make a decision that he thinks will better the team. If he has decided from what he has seen that Losman is not the guy, then it takes guts to say only 2 years into his career “hey were cutting this guy loose b/c he doesn’t have it.” Many GM's have been fired b/c they were not bold enough to make that decision and or admit their(or another GM's) mistake.



If this move is made IMO Losman would have to be traded before Sunday
True, but don't you think the QBs were given more than 8 games? I'm all for decisions that better the team, but I don't see neglecting the lines as helping anything. If JP can't win the job back, and doesn't have IT, I'll be right ther w/ ya. Brady Quinn in 2007?
Jp would be worthless in a trade now, and moreso after if we draft QB in 1st. DonohLarkey made sure he was worthless w/ their crap. The same reason he's not bait is the same reason we gotta keep him. We don't know what we have, but we do know what we have invested.

[Merk]

True, but don't you think the QBs were given more than 8 games? I'm all for decisions that better the team, but I don't see neglecting the lines as helping anything. If JP can't win the job back, and doesn't have IT, I'll be right ther w/ ya. Brady Quinn in 2007?
Jp would be worthless in a trade now, and moreso after if we draft QB in 1st. DonohLarkey made sure he was worthless w/ their crap. The same reason he's not bait is the same reason we gotta keep him. We don't know what we have, but we do know what we have invested.



It really all depends on what Marv thinks. If he thinks he has seen enough in those 8 games and the practice film to warrent picking a QB in the first then he really must have seen somthing he didnt like about Losman. Plus he would also have to see somthing in Cutler that he really likes to warrent the move


IMO we really dont have to worry about Marv picking a QB in the first.

[RockyTopBill]

If we pick a QB 1st, I'll puke. JP has not been given the chance he should be given. Name another team that would trash a pick that so much was riding on. We gave up some serious picks to get him and are ready to boot him after 8 games. No real rookie season to speak of, and he is anointed the starter. He failed early (but did improve later,imo). This guy didn't make himself the starter, the 2 headed bagadouche DonohLarkey did. Put him in an unwinnable (is that a word? I dunno) situation. And I don't want to hear about Big Ben and his candy-coated situation he lucked into. DonohLarkey sabotaged the kid, and now folks want him booted. JP will be the leader that this team has needed since Jim retired. When he wins back his job, he will have shown what makes a true leader. Who wouldn't follow a man that has dragged himself back from the ashes, and has come back stronger?
"What does not kill you makes you stronger."
Incidently, you'd think if this guy was such a dick, he would've called out his saboteurs in the press, but he is going about this admirably, and handling his business.

I have a question for you GVilleBill. You are a Gators fan and I am a Vols fan, so we have both seen Cutler for 3 years up close and personel. Were you ever really impressed by Cutler, or was it more of a well he is a good QB for Vanderbilt? I think Casey Clausen at UT and Jessie Palmer at Florida showed more talent than Cutler ever did. If the Bills made this pick it would be a horrible choice. Worst case if JP doesn't show improvement this year and we have a bad record again, then we can draft Quinn next year (a real Top 10 QB).

I have a feeling in 3 years or so we will mention Cutler in the same breath as Couch, Akili Smith, and dear I say Ryan Leaf.

[GvilleBill]

I have a question for you GVilleBill. You are a Gators fan and I am a Vols fan, so we have both seen Cutler for 3 years up close and personel. Were you ever really impressed by Cutler, or was it more of a well he is a good QB for Vanderbilt? I think Casey Clausen at UT and Jessie Palmer at Florida showed more talent than Cutler ever did. If the Bills made this pick it would be a horrible choice. Worst case if JP doesn't show improvement this year and we have a bad record again, then we can draft Quinn next year (a real Top 10 QB).

I have a feeling in 3 years or so we will mention Cutler in the same breath as Couch, Akili Smith, and dear I say Ryan Leaf.
The guy has done some damage with not so much around him, but you'd think he would've pulled a few more wins out if he was what they say he is. We may be going a little wild w/ the Clausen/Palmer comparison. He has more physical talent than them. But one major difference was Clausen (really wish I could say this about the Bachelor), was a proven winner. You'll have to excuse me Rock, I just threw up in my mouth a little after giving a Vol props. lol

[35Pete]

Well QB cannot be ruled considering that we drafted a bust and he is not going to take us anywhere. I mean the guy didn't even improve over the year. And that is bad.

[halifax]

They had a Bills scout on Total Access last night. I think his last name was Ross. He was clear that they were evaluating all the top QB's, as they were all other positions. He was quite evasive about where the Bills scouting staff ranked the QB's. It would be a shock, but I would not rule out a draft of Cutler.

[twosheds]

Cutler is not a good value pick in the top 10. Cutler, in his rookie year, is no improvement over Losman, Holcomb or Nall - and who knows, he might never be. I think the Bills aren't talking about Quarterbacks because everyone knows we won't target a quarterback unless Leinart falls.

Btw, I could see the Bills take Kellen Clemens in round 3 if he's still there. That is, if they think as highly of him as I do. :)

[Merk]

They had a Bills scout on Total Access last night. I think his last name was Ross. He was clear that they were evaluating all the top QB's, as they were all other positions. He was quite evasive about where the Bills scouting staff ranked the QB's. It would be a shock, but I would not rule out a draft of Cutler.



That was a good interview

[brewdizawgs]

I'd be pretty pissed with Cutler. He seems like Kyle Boller to me. He didn't play outstanding for Vanderbilt, and he went up the draft boards after good workouts. I'd be happy with Young or Leinert, because they are supposed to be early picks due to playing outstanding football.

[The Beef]

cutler has a gun. i was rewatching hsi combine the other day, he's got a first rate cannon. would absolutely hate the pick at 8. maybe if we moved down to 12-14, MAYBE i could reason, but i don't think i could.

i think the staff has a lot of faith in nall, and that they're hoping jp will put up a fight in training camp and show that he is improved.

[miamibillsnut]

if he picks a qb, after giving a no name all that money, he really needs to get his head examined. If he were leaning toward a surprise QB pick, no way on Earth he gives Nall all that money. Nall is his QB draft pick.

I am happy i wont be around to see the draft, because i will puke and then throw something through the TV if the Bills pick something other than a lineman on either side of the ball.

[halifax]

That was a good interview


The thing I liked about it was that the Bills did not show any cards about what they are going to do, including selecting or not selecting a QB. As fans we would like the information, but I would rather keep the leverage aasociated with silence or misinformation to the public. That gives the Bills the best chance to get the player or trade they want and build towards a winning team.

[Later]

So that makes two giant question marks and a pile of boney poop on our QB depth chart.

That made me come this close to spitting out water in my mouth.

[RockyTopBill]

You'll have to excuse me Rock, I just threw up in my mouth a little after giving a Vol props. lol

I know the feeling. It was very hard for me to go for Florida in the National Championship game, but you have to go for the team in your conference......Plus it is nice to say that you swept the National Champion.

[coastal]

From ESPN Insider. Cmon Marv. Draft this kid and remind Bills Nation about the steel pair you carry.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2422731

"The Bills also have extremely high grades on Cutler and Huff. Although it might be a long shot for the Bills to draft a quarterback after using a first-round pick on J.P. Losman in 2004, it is something that reportedly has been tossed around during draft meetings. Cutler might carry a higher grade, but the team likely would select one of the defensive tackles or Huff ahead of Cutler simply because of need."

[gmbuffalo]

Mortensen says cutler will be the best qb of the draft. i read in sports illustrated what you need to look for to avoid drafting a bust qb. one of the main things is arm strength, and cutler has one of the two strongest arms in the draft. another area was winning percentage, and cutler lacked some in this area (he was around .241 or something). but this is a new regime, so i could definitely see them drafting cutler.

[Dustybottoms]

IMO Ingle Martin and Brody Croyal are better than Jay Cutler.He does have one hell of an arm though.

[coastal]

This is our guy!

[TRIPLE P]

Coastal...with all the rumbling about Ralph, and the possiblity of aquiring the Bears pick....I think this thread may end up being DEAD ON BALLS ACCURATE

[skoorah720]

I personally think this is just a smoke screen by the Bills in order to gain some bargaining power and leverage with the 8th pick. Why would they give Nall all that money?? Someone PLEASE answer this...why would they give Nall good money to just compete for the back-up job or to take the team over for a year or two? This just makes no sense. If they were that high on Cutler they wouldn't have signed Nall, but just stayed w/ Losman and Holcomb.

[TRIPLE P]

I personally think this is just a smoke screen by the Bills in order to gain some bargaining power and leverage with the 8th pick. Why would they give Nall all that money?? Someone PLEASE answer this...why would they give Nall good money to just compete for the back-up job or to take the team over for a year or two? This just makes no sense. If they were that high on Cutler they wouldn't have signed Nall, but just stayed w/ Losman and Holcomb.


Nall's not making that much....

and nobody ever said it made sense.

[ddpderek]

Maybe they are thinkin Cutler at 26

I think that a QB this year be dumb mainly because next year if the guys we have blow it hard we will have a shot at Brady Quinn and Drew Stanton both would be much better then Cutler. So why not fix our other needs first?

[TRIPLE P]

Maybe they are thinkin Cutler at 26

I think that a QB this year be dumb mainly because next year if the guys we have blow it hard we will have a shot at Brady Quinn and Drew Stanton both would be much better then Cutler. So why not fix our other needs first?


But why would we want either of those guys when we'd have a shot at Troy Smith?

[coastal]

Coastal...with all the rumbling about Ralph, and the possiblity of aquiring the Bears pick....I think this thread may end up being DEAD ON BALLS ACCURATE
Funny how all the rumblings started just after this thread.

Maybe ESPN reads coastal too.

:headscratcher:

[Wing Eater]

Who here has read Marv's book? I don't think he likes taking QB's high in the draft, he would rather take big guys. At least that is how I read many of his comments on the draft, though he never really stated a philosophy other than drafting high character players. That is why I don't see the Bills going after Justice either.

[coastal]

That is why I don't see the Bills going after Justice either.exactly.

If Huff ain't the pick, Cutler is.

[Wing Eater]

Yeah Coastal I think its Huff or we trade down.

[Merk]

But why would we want either of those guys when we'd have a shot at Troy Smith?



lolol



In what round next year?

[Merk]

Maybe they are thinkin Cutler at 26

I think that a QB this year be dumb mainly because next year if the guys we have blow it hard we will have a shot at Brady Quinn and Drew Stanton both would be much better then Cutler. So why not fix our other needs first?



Palmer from UTEP will be in the mix too



He's Carsons younger Brother