Bunkley, Ngata, or Huff....Who would you pick and Why?

[Merk]

Its seems like Bunkley, Ngata, and Huff seem to be the 3 canidates the Bills have there eye on at #8



-Bunkley (http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=84437) fits the the 3 tech spot in our defense, but that spot is currently occupied by L.Tripplett and his 18 million. It is also siad that he has the capability to line up over the center(but not as well as the next guy). He has had some minor off the field issues and really hadnt stepped up his play untill his senior year

-Ngata (http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=84317)is the safest of the 3. In the worst case scnerio what you get w/ would be a run stuffing DT that can fit any scheme. It has been said that he doesnt fit the 3 tech spot on the cover 2 D, which is true, but he can fit the into the 1 tech spot occupied by the other DT. He has had no off field issues but does have somewhat of an injury history


-Huff (http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=84319) despite what some people might think would fill a need w/ the Bills in the fact that he can start from SS from day 1. He would fit nicely into that role and give the Bills a lot of options in the secondary and also upgrade the SS spot and add the speed that has been missing there. He is a high character guy on and off the field and studies the game of football. He would also provide an insurance policy in case Nate decides to leave. The problem w/ picking Huff would be even though he does fill a need he doesnt fill one of the biggest needs this team has along the OL and DL



So if those are your only 3 options, who would you pick and why?

[SD Bills Fan]

Bunkley would be my choice. I watched almost all of the FSU games this past year and saw his performance at the Combine. He Dominated the middle against Top compitition. He is a Physical Stud for his size. His motor never stops. He is great at penitrating and causing havoc behind the line as well as reading the run and stopping the run at the point of attack. He is in my opinion by far the best DT in the draft. I saw Ngata play 4-5 times this past year and saw him dominate at times, but also saw him look lost and get tired at times. I want Bunkley. If we draft anyone else besides Bunkley my 2nd choice would be Huff.

[FknGvna]

Name another guy that commands Triple teams. We all know everywhere that Big Ted went, the wins were sure to go.

[coastal]

Huff

[SD Bills Fan]

Ngata does not command triple teams. You cannot compare him to Big Ted or Pat or Sam. Ngata is not even close to any of them. I saw 4-5 Oregon Games this past year and Ngata was either man on man or maybe double teamed. He is not what the Bills need. We need someone who is not Fat or has a history of weight problems like Ngata. He reminds me 2 much of Mike Williams and would be another waste of a top 10 pick. Go with the Super Athlete with great strength and quickness who will be a playmaker in Bunkley.

[JayHall93]

Ngata. we need a plugger and they don't come around often. He is by all accounts NFL Ready, and should start instantly.

[GvilleBill]

Bunk is a high motor freak of nature who attacks backfields with malicious intent. He has had to mature, as lack of focus almost cost him his spot on the team. He regrouped and came back better than ever. Motivation and conditioning are not factors here, but...
... are huge factors with Ngata. I've said it before, but I don't trust a fat guy to get slimmer w/ all the grub in Buffalo. Also not sold on the talent he faced in the Pac-10. DT combos can be successful w/ two 300lb guys, no need for Ngata.
Huff is a good pick, but I would only want him in the event we trade Nate for a 1st.

[ddpderek]

Ngata- he is fast, can make plays, great run stopper, would be a gift to our linebackers and take pressure off of our safties coming up for run support. We need another DT to rotate with him and Triplett tho.

[ddpderek]

Bunk is a high motor freak of nature who attacks backfields with malicious intent. He has had to mature, as lack of focus almost cost him his spot on the team. He regrouped and came back better than ever. Motivation and conditioning are not factors here, but...
... are huge factors with Ngata. I've said it before, but I don't trust a fat guy to get slimmer w/ all the grub in Buffalo. Also not sold on the talent he faced in the Pac-10. DT combos can be successful w/ two 300lb guys, no need for Ngata.
Huff is a good pick, but I would only want him in the event we trade Nate for a 1st.

lol not the Buffalo keeps you fat arguement again, what would stop bunkley from getting fat?

[FknGvna]

'Because he's so "Cut".'

[1968_bills_fan]

Bunkley takes magic anti-fat pills. Ngata should be our pick. At worst, he would be a big plugger like Adams. The truth is that he is faster and shiftier and can bullrush 2 OL-men or penetrate. We got rid of 2-3 dT's this off-season. We will pick up 2 DT's on the first day and have a fearsome defensive line. This is do-able, since there are enough big, good DT's available. Seriously, name one other upgrade to the team which would have more impact!.

[superman]

I would like to trade down for a day 1 pick and get best available in the first and o-d line with the rest of the first day picks

[Merk]

Name another guy that commands Triple teams. We all know everywhere that Big Ted went, the wins were sure to go.


lol Ngata doesnt draw triple teams


There are plenty of NFL guards that will be able to handle him 1 on 1 his first year and that goes for Bunkley too

[Merk]

I would like to trade down for a day 1 pick and get best available in the first and o-d line with the rest of the first day picks



But if the descion is to stay at 8 and pick one of the three who would you pick?

[nukedawg]

I would be happy with any of them. But I really like everything about Huff.

[Merk]

I would be happy with any of them. But I really like everything about Huff.



This is kind of my feelings on it to


I cant say I would be dissapointed if we picked anyone of those guys at 8. I think they all bring somthing different to the table and all have a shot to be very good players in the NFL.


Given the choice though I would have to say I would take Huff. While I think the other two have a good chance to be very good NFL players, I think Huff has the chance to be a Great NFL player.

[brewman74]

It's a good chance Bunkley will be available at 10 or later. Why not trade down and grab an extra pick or 2.

[Merk]

It's a good chance Bunkley will be available at 10 or later. Why not trade down and grab an extra pick or 2.



I think trading down in this draft is going to be difficult



w/ the amount of talent in this draft teams are going to want to hold onto those 1st day picks and are not going to give them up very easily

[GvilleBill]

lol not the Buffalo keeps you fat arguement again, what would stop bunkley from getting fat?
Let me ask you this: who's got the weight problems? Ngata has always struggled w/ fat ass syndrome, Bunk gained weight needed to eliminate one of his prior drawbacks of being undersized. I didn't say Buffalo keeps you fat, did I? But I will restate for you, since once was obviously not enough, I don't trust someone w/ a history of weight problems to suddenly have it all under control w/ all the killer food in Buffalo. I will also state that I wouldn't trust Ngata to keep his weight down anywhere, fat ass is as fat ass does. Look around, the day of tubby is over, we are in the age of faster, stronger, explosive big guys. If you want a big guy to eat up space, he can be found later in the draft, not at 8. Ngata could be awesome at 320-325lbs, but we will never know. He will get paid and not be motivated anymore. Sorry, but we've been burned by the fatties before.

[GvilleBill]

Can I ask a side question here? What is it exactly that's turned you away from Bunk? He is a dominant player from a top conference with staggering numbers. He is a physical specimen w/ the defensive mindset of stopping at nothing to get to the ball. He had his problems w/ focus and maturity and came back better for it. Dont hate, participate

[GvilleBill]

When it all comes down to it, everyone will have "their guy", and will champion his cause to the end. We all argue, yet no amount of it has ever changed anybodies mind, has it?

[GvilleBill]

Just seen this from The Buffalo News http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060422/1021607.asp

[kdhammond]

How about that Bunkley didn't start full time till his senior year? How about that he was arrested for shop-lifting?

How about that he isn't significantly faster than Ngata (who hasn't been in any trouble and is coming out after his junior season)? Compare Bunkley after his junior season and Ngata after his junior season:

Bunkley: Part-time starter and in trouble.

Ngata: Dominant DT in the offense-heavy Pac-10.

Now, to be clear, I am not anti-Bunkley. I think he is going to be a good player, but I Ngata has the possibility of being great. Ngata also has the lowest down-side.

Remember, the Bills signed Ted Washington as a plan B free-agent on the relative cheap because he wasn't that good early on. He has since dominated and he is still in the league at 35, in spite of being way-overweight. Same is true of Sam Adams and Pat Williams wasn't exactly in great shape, either.

[superman]

But if the descion is to stay at 8 and pick one of the three who would you pick?

Which has been my dilema with this these past few weeks. Noone really makes me excited about being on the Bills.

[GvilleBill]

How about that Bunkley didn't start full time till his senior year? How about that he was arrested for shop-lifting?

How about that he isn't significantly faster than Ngata (who hasn't been in any trouble and is coming out after his junior season)? Compare Bunkley after his junior season and Ngata after his junior season:

Bunkley: Part-time starter and in trouble.

Ngata: Dominant DT in the offense-heavy Pac-10.

Now, to be clear, I am not anti-Bunkley. I think he is going to be a good player, but I Ngata has the possibility of being great. Ngata also has the lowest down-side.

Remember, the Bills signed Ted Washington as a plan B free-agent on the relative cheap because he wasn't that good early on. He has since dominated and he is still in the league at 35, in spite of being way-overweight. Same is true of Sam Adams and Pat Williams wasn't exactly in great shape, either.
Was behind Travis Johnson, a first round pick himself. He's turned a corner focus-wise :http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9380098
Incidentley, I believe Ngata could be elite at a lighter weight. However I have no faith that he will ever see that weight (or his feet, for that matter). I think we could get a big body later to just clog shit, like a Titus Adams.

[GvilleBill]

Let me be clear that I won't be disgusted if we pick Ngata, like I would be if we got a QB. And he's actually not a total fat ass, was in good shape at combine. I just feel Bunk is going to do things at the DT position we haven't seen before. And he has that mean streak I look for in the trenches.

[D-Rocafella]

Got to go with Bunkley. Our biggest needs are guys along the o-line and d-line. Brick and Mario will be gone so the only guys left with value at this pick are Bunkley, Ngata, and maybe Justice. Justice isin't an option in this post so it goes down to Bunkley and Ngata. Now with what we want to do on D we need as much pass rush as possible out of our front 4. Now I'm not saying Ngata can't rush the passer, but he can't do it like Bunkley.

My pick is Broderick Bunkley.

[B-loCrew]

I got a queston, whatever happened to the Darnell Bing talk.
There was a lot of talk about Bing after the college season and now you don't hear anything about the guy. Did anything happen to take him out of the draft experts mouth?

[MVP]

Ngata can and will take on the double teams freeing up Tripp and Schobel, Ngata's my pick

[Merk]

I got a queston, whatever happened to the Darnell Bing talk.
There was a lot of talk about Bing after the college season and now you don't hear anything about the guy. Did anything happen to take him out of the draft experts mouth?



Right now most people have him as a 2nd rounder



The guy can hit a ton but lacks a little in coverage


He would be perfect for a team that likes to cheat there SS to the line and support the run or blitz

[B-loCrew]

Thanks for the update Merck.

[35Pete]

Wow. All three would be great picks. A good DT would do wonders for our run stuffing.

That being said I would still have to go with Huff. Fantastic safety. Ideal weight. (198). Good against the run, fantastic against the pass. He would help our pass rush by killing off the middle routes.

Still, I'd like to trade down to the middle rounds, pick up another 2nd and then take Nick Mangold. (C), Ohio State. That's what I would do.

[kdhammond]

I am with 35Pete on the trade down idea. I'd love another 2nd or even 3rd rounder with a trade down. I think that they could move down into the early 20s and still be pretty sure to get an OL whose value matches the pick, rather than reaching for Justice at 8.

However, I am concerned that if they don't take Ngata or Bunkley that they won't get a worth-while DT at all (at least one that can help much this year). I don't see many
available in the 2nd that would be very interesting.

As much as I think Huff may be a great player, I think the chances of finding a starting S in the 3rd or 4th round are much better than finding a starting DT there.

I'd almost have to go with either Ngata or Bunkley. I would be very very tempted by Vernon Davis, though.

[superman]

Wow. All three would be great picks. A good DT would do wonders for our run stuffing.

That being said I would still have to go with Huff. Fantastic safety. Ideal weight. (198). Good against the run, fantastic against the pass. He would help our pass rush by killing off the middle routes.

Still, I'd like to trade down to the middle rounds, pick up another 2nd and then take Nick Mangold. (C), Ohio State. That's what I would do.

Exactly what I hoped we'd do. Then with the 4 other first day picks. Get 2 o-lineman and 2 d-lineman.

[JLB]

Huff Huff did I mention Huff if he is anything like Ed Reed I want him period.
I like what this guy can do we still need a plug up the middle. My money is on Huff if he`s available.Will he be there at 8?

[bcw]

My heart says Huff----I'd love a big play, turnover machine at safety----but my mind says Ngata.

I've continually said that the game is won and lost in the trenches but am frequently distracted away from my team building philosophy by playmakers like Huff. This is the same problem TD had when he would put off addressing the lines until later in the draft, which has clearly hurt the Bills. I refuse to draft like TD so I am going DT.

As for why Ngata and not Bunkley, DT isn't a position of statistics and finess. Bunkley may have more sacks and tackles but what i want for the Bills is someone who can take up blockers and allow our lb's to run free and hit. Ngata is that unappreciated guy for this team.

Ray Lewis commented on ESPN recently how the past few years he hasn't dominated because his DT's weren't controlling the line of scrimage and the o-linemen were getting into the 2nd tier and blocking the lb's. It often goes unnoticed but it all starts in the battles up front.

The first thing people bring up about our new defense is quick, pass rushing DT's, like Bunkley. Sure a passrush is important but I believe in stopping the run too. Teams won't need to pass if they pick up 4-5 yards on 1st down. Ngata is the guy we need to help stop the run.

Ngata with pick #8!!!

[Kuharski]

Roy Williams was picked by the cowboys a few years ago. He is a good player, but he is not the answer. Parcells realized he needed the big men on the D-line to be competive. Right now our Bills need the best run stuffer available. Huff is good, but a luxury pick. Nagotso will be the best pick .

[FknGvna]

How about that Bunkley didn't start full time till his senior year? How about Ngata didn't even Have a senior year to rack up numbers, how about his numbers are compiled from ONLY TWO full SEASONS!!

[FknGvna]

The first thing people bring up about our new defense is quick, pass rushing DT's, like Bunkley. Sure a passrush is important but I believe in stopping the run too. Teams won't need to pass if they pick up 4-5 yards on 1st down. Ngata is the guy we need to help stop the run.

Ngata with pick #8!!!I made that arguement like six months ago.

[superman]

Roy Williams was picked by the cowboys a few years ago. He is a good player, but he is not the answer. Parcells realized he needed the big men on the D-line to be competive. Right now our Bills need the best run stuffer available. Huff is good, but a luxury pick. Nagotso will be the best pick .

good post, everyone keeps mentioning ed reed, but forget that roy williams hasnt turned out to be the next ronnie lott

[Range Roamer]

Get the hunk, draft Bunk! all the others are wasted junk.lol

[Merk]

Another thing Marv and Co might be debating, if its between Ngata and Huff, is which one would be easier to find later in the draft... A run stufing DT or a ball hawking SS?


Thoughts?

[fatfreddy16]

there is a lot of depth on both sides of the line we will be able to get an excellent player in round 2 and great olineman in round 3

[buffan100]

Ngata might not blow up the scoreboards, but his rare blend of size, strength, and speed commands double teams to run against and makes his teamates better.

[The Beef]

wobviously the coaching, age, and talent are different. but we had sam last year, and our run d got torched. i don't want to hear that they never ran at sam adams. first, why would you he weighs 400 pounds. second, it's very easy to run away from a 400 pound man. sam can collapse a pocket, i'm sure ngata can do. just because you are eating space in the middle of the line, doesn't mean you are going to be a playmaker, or open up plays for playmakers. teams will stunt the hell out of ngata with sweeping guards, zone blocking, and backs that punish the front of his knees with chip blocks.

i think you can put bunkley next to tripplett and not be to worried. lots of stunting and penetration through running lanes. could definetly get smoked by a power blocking team with some quickness.

maybe huff is ed reed, maybe not. i know he played all over the field, and ran a great 40, but he's gotta be as good as polamalu, bob sanders, reed, etc. to warrant that high of a pick. if he is strictly a centerfield type, who ins't much help in run support, ie can't make a tackle 8-12 yards down the field, then i'd pass. vincent can take bad angles and give up 15 run yards all day, don't need a guy who is 15 years younger and can't do more.

[miamibillsnut]

Wow, the bills are interested in a High Motor Black guy. Now there's a change.

[Mainejays]

None of the above. I want Justice unless Mario or D'Brick falls.

[Proteus]

I am really surprised that there isn't more support for Huff. He is going to be a dominate safety. How exciting would it be to have a playmaking machine like Reed or Polamalu in the secondary. Although we aren't going to win to many games giving up 150+ yards a game on the ground. I think we take Huff and adress the lines in rounds 2 and 3. Huff seems to be a sure fire star player.

[bcw]

"but we had sam last year, and our run d got torched."

Sam Adams is not a run stuffing DT. He may be built like one but he hates doing the dirty work and taking on blocks. Pat Williams was the one on the line 2 years ago who would clog the middle and allow Fat Sam to shoot the gaps and use his quickness. When we asked Sam to take over that role last year he struggled greatly and complained. This was a big part of the problem between Jerry Gray and him.

Ngata, on the other hand, loves the role and would be much better at it than Sam Adams. He knows what he has to do and he does it well. The Bills don't need someone who will put up numbers. We paid a lot for that in Tripplet. We need someone to do the dirty work and Ngata is that guy.

[Mouldsie]

of those choices i'd take mario

[Buffal0B1LLs_fan]

After listening to the interviews on BB.com with the scouting guys, I went away with they were painting a picture of Huff as a little "soft" and plus he's from Texas - which has produced some soft players.
There was a consistent overtone with all of them regarding Bunk as playmaker, high-motor, smart, productive, etc.
Based on what's coming from them, and that's the only three available, I'd go with Bunk. Although it could have all been smokescreen. :dunno:

[FknGvna]

Bunkley takes magic anti-fat pills. Ngata should be our pick. At worst, he would be a big plugger like Adams. The truth is that he is faster and shiftier and can bullrush 2 OL-men or penetrate. We got rid of 2-3 dT's this off-season. We will pick up 2 DT's on the first day and have a fearsome defensive line. This is do-able, since there are enough big, good DT's available. Seriously, name one other upgrade to the team which would have more impact!.
And that's my whole point.

[Mouldsie]

I'd still like Ngata to lose 10-15 lbs if we draft him.

[diruss18]

I think when you have a top 10 pick you need someone who can come in pay dividends immediately. I like Bunkley and think he would eventually be a good player. But.....

I think Huff has the all the physical tools to come in and become a playmaker right away. I feel the same way about Vernon Davis. Both players would come in and make plays for the Bills.

[JLB]

All great choices Huff stands out with his ability to cause Reed like results but any of these three would be great.The only other interesting slightly possible choice for me would be Davis if available.

[diruss18]

The other thing about Huff is the versatility he brings by being able to play corner or safety.

Let's face it.The Coy Wire experiment has ran it's course. Wire seems to be a good locker room guy and a good special team player. However, he is a liability as a SS. Does anyone believe that Wire could cover Vernon Davis or
Gates, Shockley etc..... ???

Also keep in mind that Nate Clements future with the Bills is not a certain one.
Thinking long term Troy Vincent is on the tail end of his career.

Huff provides immediate options. I think he is a safe pick.

[Scooby77]

Pure talent and build-wise, I prefer Bunkley, too. But i heard him interviewed on Sirius NFL Radio, and when asked about Buffalo he didn't sound excited at all, and kinda hmm'd and haw'd around talking about the Bills. When they talked about Baltimore, the guy was gushing, talking about meeting with Ray Lewis and the facility in Baltimore.

I also read somewhere that Marv or someone in the Bills' brass are concerned about Bunkley's ability to play in the cold, or his desire to play in the cold. This was in accord with what I heard him say on Sirius, so i think attitude-wise the Bills would lean Ngata.

Personally, I'd love to see D'Brick or Vernon Davis, but ain't gonna happen.

(I posted this in another thread, but it's pertinent...)