Are You Proud To Be An American Under George W. Bush?

[Meathead]

and please canadians answer as if your dream was to become american as if it already isnt

[35Pete]

I was still proud to be an American under Clinton and Carter. So what is the point?

No matter who is president, he does not define my ideals, my sense of decency, and my love for my country.

And this thread is STUPID. You have a ton of balls to call people "wingnuts" and then go forth and post this crap. Really.

[uppy]

I'm proud of you Neh...!

[35Pete]

And I consider Bush to be a C- president. Prescription drugs, Patriot Act, gov't spending. Not my ideal president.

But I STILL love my country.

[35Pete]

I will never again question nehe's patriotism. Not like I actually really did it before. He loves his country as much as I do. Just sees things differently, that's all.

[nehemiah]

hey... if ronnie rayguns couldn't ruin the US, no one can.

:D

[35Pete]

hey... if ronnie rayguns couldn't ruin the US, no one can.

:D
Exactly. I personally, and honestly think that he was the GREATEST president that ever walked the Earth. You don't. But did you ever find yourself ashamed to be an American? My president does not define how "American" I am. Whether he be Reagan or Carter.

[TRIPLE P]

[QUOTE=35Pete] My president does not define how "American" I am.QUOTE]

Not to you... but to the other 6 billion people on the earth he does.....

I vote no

I'm not proud of our country right now....at all.

Think of it like a kid, you can be disappointed and certainly not proud of a kid when they do something stupid....it doesn't mean you don;t love them .

[35Pete]

[QUOTE=35Pete] My president does not define how "American" I am.QUOTE]

Not to you... but to the other 6 billion people on the earth he does.....

I vote no

I'm not proud of our country right now....at all.

Think of it like a kid, you can be disappointed and certainly not proud of a kid when they do something stupid....it doesn't mean you don;t love them .
SPECIFICALLY. What are you ashamed of? Really? Recall that I have TOTAL contempt for the UN (We should ignore them) and that I think the rest of the world are COMPLETE BLEEPING BLEEPING IDIOTS for supporting Kyoto.

Of course. I really want a formal debate on Global Warming. But the lefties here are too chicken shit to take on a scientist who pays his bills with his acknowledged expertise in the scientific process. They don't want to debate facts and methodology. No. They want to make it a moral issue.

[Meathead]

yeah thats what im saying

im saying america is a horrible place and that we should all die

my mistake in not making that retarded distinction clearer after already doing so a million times already

but i will grant you that you spotted a technicality in clarity of the question and exploited it with empty accusations. congratulations very roveish

its already ruined but the intent of the question was are you proud of the america this man has created. and in your heart of hearts you know it tho youll never admit it

furthermore i contend that it is americans who did not drink the koolaid that are more patriotic. it is us that ultimately saved the republic from, well, other forces

[TRIPLE P]

[QUOTE=WXP]
SPECIFICALLY. What are you ashamed of? .


Not ashamed, disappointed.....

Diappointed that I pay 27% of my salary to fund a war that was started without proper planning or information....

Disappointed that kids across the country don't have an equal oppourtunity at education, but there is plenty of money for other BS programs.....

Disappointed that our supposed leade, and face to the rest of the world continually embarassed himself being causght in lies, half truths, and deception.....

Patriot Act, prescription drugs, excessive spending...al the things you've said Pete.... THAT IS AMERICA....

not the "Constutution is perfect" 1700's ideal of what American freedom should be......it is what it is now, not what it was, not what it may be.....


There is plenty to like about our country, but there is also plenty to dislike.

Time for hockey.

[sukie]

This is the utopia on earth. Comon. Canada second by assimilation. American pride is not made of paper.

[35Pete]

yeah thats what im saying

im saying america is a horrible place and that we should all die

my mistake in not making that retarded distinction clearer after already doing so a million times already

but i will grant you that you spotted a technicality in clarity of the question and exploited it with empty accusations. congratulations very roveish

its already ruined but the intent of the question was are you proud of the america this man has created. and in your heart of hearts you know it tho youll never admit it

furthermore i contend that it is americans who did not drink the koolaid that are more patriotic. it is us that ultimately saved the republic from, well, other forces

What I really find pathetic is posts from you that consistently slam this president from an almost obsessive view. See a thread from Meatheat? Probably one like "Bush Rapes Three Year Old Boys and Gives Them Herpes".

I think the perception of you as objective is so totally shot that you should just give up. You are not going to convince us wingnuts.

Ohhh. And who is the "wingnut"? Your favorite saying. I am critical as hell of this President. I give him a C- rating. That's below average. Don't tell me that I am ideological. And I am NOT going to explain again what I dislike about him.

But I am not as predictable about Bush as you are. And to be quite frank you are beginning to bore me with this tribble. He is 100% evil? Hell, even Carter and Clinton were not 100% evil. To try to so wholeheartedly spend all your efforts trying in every thread to convince people otherwise really does hurt your credibility.

You Meathead are the wingnut. At least I can see both the bad and the good in this president.

It's so amazing how the roles have reversed here in the past 2 years, huh?

[sukie]

Not ashamed, disappointed.....

Diappointed that I pay 27% of my salary to fund a war that was started without proper planning or information....

you pay 27% OF YOUR SALARY for war bonds?

Disappointed that our supposed leade, and face to the rest of the world continually embarassed himself being causght in lies, half truths, and deception.....

Still want proof of lies.

Patriot Act, prescription drugs, excessive spending...al the things you've said Pete.... THAT IS AMERICA....

No problem with patriot act. hasn't effected anyone's life that I know of. Prescription drug plan just pissses me off because Bush caved to the Libs on Nationalization of healthcare in a small way. This crap just wont' work

There is plenty to like about our country, but there is also plenty to dislike.

Time for hockey. When it gets unbearable... Paxil or emmigrate somewhere better. Send postcards cuz we need to know where that is.

[Mouldsie]

Bush is a terrible president.

[sukie]

But that effects you being a proud Americn how?

[njsue]

I voted no! :D:

The people are going straight to a house they dont want to ever be.

That house is the "poor house". How do you get out of the poor house, When gas prices are so ridiculously high, Interest rates are doubling the monthly payments, soon the Cows will be charging extra for non fat milk.

:groan:

[35Pete]

Bush is a terrible president.
Well, except for his tax cuts he has sucked domestically. Patriot Act? Prescription drugs?.... But IMO strong American foreign policy is his asset. And if Canada and the rest of the world disapprove? F' them.

Let them follow their hero.

Neville Chamberlain. A true man of peace.

Hell, Hitler respected him. And his ability to reason with him.

And EVERYONE knows for a fact that the world would be soooo much better off with Saddam Hussein and his nephews in power. FACT!

It's so easy to criticize. Cowards can do that with ease. So much more difficult to offer an alternative, right?

[sukie]

I voted no! :D:

The people are going straight to a house they dont want to ever be.

That house is the "poor house". How do you get out of the poor house, When gas prices are so ridiculously high, Interest rates are doubling the monthly payments, soon the Cows will be charging extra for non fat milk.

:groan:
NJ... interest rates are still lower than in the 90's. Who's feeding you this crap? The Dow is higher than ever... homeownership highest level ever???

[njsue]

NJ... interest rates are still lower than in the 90's. Who's feeding you this crap? The Dow is higher than ever... homeownership highest level ever???


So Alan Greenspan took it easy on the residents of the State of New Jersey your saying, sukie!

Minimum credit card payments are a joke. Cause If you just pay the minimum the next bill goes up $100. This is not using the card at all. Did you not see the news last December what would happen to people with credit cards. We are SO SCREWED!

[sukie]

Credit cards are not a government issue. People have to be self responsible about that crap.

[35Pete]

So Alan Greenspan took it easy on the residents of the State of New Jersey your saying, sukie!

Minimum credit card payments are a joke. Cause If you just pay the minimum the next bill goes up $100. This is not using the card at all. Did you not see the news last December what would happen to people with credit cards. We are SO SCREWED!
Well. How do I say this politely?

It is your OWN GODDAMNED fault. Try spending responsibly next time. Really.

[njsue]

Credit cards are not a government issue. People have to be self responsible about that crap.


Greenspan made matters worse. Rising interest rates!!! I wonder if Greenspan has an OCD with raising the interest rates.

[sukie]

it's a hedge against inflation... a couple of 1/4 point increases. still mortgage rates are lower that the 90's. not a bad thing. a quarter point vs rampant inflation.

[35Pete]

Greenspan made matters worse. Rising interest rates!!! I wonder if Greenspan has an OCD with raising the interest rates.
You just need to understand that the market is fluid and dynamic. Whether dem's or rep's are in power. It is so complicated that no administration, no Chair of the Fed can completely control it.

It is called risk analysis and mitigation. I thought that you learned that in college? It is your responsibility to mitigate risk. Not a politician.

Christ. Have we really come to this? Not you Sue. But are liberals that completely mind numbed brain dead stupid??? Are they?

I have a retirement portfolio. And over the years it has gone up and down. Mostly up but sometimes down. Should we pass congressional laws guaranteeing that my portfolio NEVER goes down.

OMG......ROFLMAO at the ***** stupidity of that. Ohh though I am sure that some libs are seriously considering that. And fixing interest rates and minumum payments. Same stupid crap.

Liberals ought to be required to take four years of high school math and a year of college math. Maybe then they would be educated.

[Meathead]

the skull of partisanship is very thick. you have to pound on it relentlessly with information if you hope for any of it to penetrate

but thats what good americans do because the message has to get through

this is a failed worldview. you were wrong. deal with it

[sukie]

the skull of partisanship is very thick. you have to pound on it relentlessly with information if you hope for any of it to penetrate

but thats what good americans do because the message has to get through

this is a failed worldview. you were wrong. deal with it
To which post are you pondering on and on about in such a depressing manner?

[mighty peace warrior]

i am always proud of my heritage as an american citizen..it doesnt matter who is president.

these polls are pointless attempts to badger people

[sukie]

i am always proud of my heritage as an american citizen..it doesnt matter who is president.

these polls are pointless attempts to badger people

+1 great response.

[gilchristfan]

I'm not proud of our overly complex tax code.

[gilchristfan]

No problem with patriot act. hasn't effected anyone's life that I know of.


Not true at all. Just last weekend, someone from airport security rifled through my mother-in-law's luggage (we found the little "You're bag has been searched" sticker in a suitcase). They went through everything, including her panties.

The mere thought of someone going through my mother in law's underwear has affected me in a very grotesque and repulsive way.

[TRIPLE P]

i am always proud of my heritage as an american citizen..it doesnt matter who is president.

these polls are pointless attempts to badger people


Exactly.....

an besides, who's "Under" George Bush besides Jeff Gannon (and possibly Upstart ;))

[njsue]

Hang Bush upside down in the center square Washington DC like the Italians did to Mussolini!

[TRIPLE P]

I don't want to kill the guy....

Honestly he;s probably not a bad guy to kick it with at the ranch....especially is he's drinking....

But I wouldn't want any of my buddies running the country either.

[njsue]

Exactly.....

an besides, who's "Under" George Bush besides Jeff Gannon (and possibly Upstart ;))


Dick Cheney is !

[sukie]

Not true at all. Just last weekend, someone from airport security rifled through my mother-in-law's luggage (we found the little "You're bag has been searched" sticker in a suitcase). They went through everything, including her panties.

The mere thought of someone going through my mother in law's underwear has affected me in a very grotesque and repulsive way.
LOL you pisser.

[Scary Good]

[QUOTE=35Pete]


Not ashamed, disappointed.....

Diappointed that I pay 27% of my salary to fund a war that was started without proper planning or information....

Disappointed that kids across the country don't have an equal oppourtunity at education, but there is plenty of money for other BS programs.....

Disappointed that our supposed leade, and face to the rest of the world continually embarassed himself being causght in lies, half truths, and deception.....

Patriot Act, prescription drugs, excessive spending...al the things you've said Pete.... THAT IS AMERICA....

not the "Constutution is perfect" 1700's ideal of what American freedom should be......it is what it is now, not what it was, not what it may be.....


There is plenty to like about our country, but there is also plenty to dislike.

Time for hockey.


I'm a fan of this post...I agree...I'm always proud, though.

[uppy]

Exactly.....

an besides, who's "Under" George Bush besides Jeff Gannon (and possibly Upstart ;))

I think Mr.Bush is a great Prez....he leads,does what he thinks is best and
is a man of honor.

I love this Country....I don't care who's Prez dem or Rep.

[sukie]

Reagan twice remove.

[35Pete]

i am always proud of my heritage as an american citizen..it doesnt matter who is president.

these polls are pointless attempts to badger people
See. I am puzzled. Why does it take a guy that does not hang out in the PRS to explain it in such goddamned simple terms. Maybe because he does not have an "Us verses Them" philosophy?

I loved America under Clinton, love America under Bush, and if, God help us, Hilliary every became the next male president, I would still love America.

It is that simple. And I would still be proud of my country.

I don't get it. Are some here THAT ideological??

[35Pete]

I'm not proud of our overly complex tax code.
+50

[HURLS]

i am always proud of my heritage as an american citizen..it doesnt matter who is president.

these polls are pointless attempts to badger people

Exactly!! I don't care, just happy to be here!

[gr8slayer]

Im proud to be an American no matter what.

[Mouldsie]

lol wow this forum is depressing

[markythebill]

There is plenty to like about our country, but there is also plenty to dislike.



Every country is like that, and always will be. You'll never have a perfect country and there will always be things you hate about it. There's no reason to be proud of your nationality anyway. Pride is seeing your kid do well, or achieving something yourself, why be proud about being born in a particular place? It's just random really.


If I you or I were born in France and raised there, we'd get a tingle up the spine every time we saw a documentary listing French achievements. I'm not proud to be British because I've done nothing much to improve the place... Well I've paid taxes but I haven't invented anything or improved the world in any way. My dad is Italian and I could just as easily have been born there, in which case I'd probably be cheering on the Italian soccer team in the World Cup this summer, as it is I hope they get arse-raped in their first match. Know what I mean?

[Meathead]

this thread is so totally not what i had intended

but at least i gave you this convenient opportunity to proclaim your great patriotism

when youre done it would be good if you considered the consequences of being so totally duped by this utterly failed president with a charming smile

[pmoon6]

So Alan Greenspan took it easy on the residents of the State of New Jersey your saying, sukie!

Minimum credit card payments are a joke. Cause If you just pay the minimum the next bill goes up $100. This is not using the card at all. Did you not see the news last December what would happen to people with credit cards. We are SO SCREWED!It's true, credit card companies have taken over the shylock business, that's why you have to take personal fiscal responsibility. Don't run up debt on a credit card!! Pay off the balance every month. If you have accrued a balance work on paying it down. The problem is Americans are addicted to credit, it's so easy to buy things you don't really need. The key is live within your means, make a monthly budget and don't exceed it. As far as credit cards and you debt go, that's nobodies fault but your own.

[pmoon6]

As far as being an American, I've always been proud regardless of whom has taken up temporary residence in the Whitehouse. If things are bad economically in your state, you can always move to a part of the country where it's not. Alot of us did back in the '70's.

The thing is, the current President always either gets the blame or the credit for the economy, it's much more complicated than that, sometimes it takes years before the effects of policy come to bear. That said, GWB has been anything but conservative on his fiscal policies. He is spending way more than the government takes in. Being the world's policeman costs alot of money.

[TRIPLE P]

Every country is like that, and always will be. You'll never have a perfect country and there will always be things you hate about it. There's no reason to be proud of your nationality anyway. Pride is seeing your kid do well, or achieving something yourself, why be proud about being born in a particular place? It's just random really.


If I you or I were born in France and raised there, we'd get a tingle up the spine every time we saw a documentary listing French achievements. I'm not proud to be British because I've done nothing much to improve the place... Well I've paid taxes but I haven't invented anything or improved the world in any way. My dad is Italian and I could just as easily have been born there, in which case I'd probably be cheering on the Italian soccer team in the World Cup this summer, as it is I hope they get arse-raped in their first match. Know what I mean?

Good post.

National pride is really silly when you think about it. I've always been more proud of myself than in where I fell out of my momma...

[rob on the job]

Like Pete said earlier, I love this country -- despite its faults, despite the frailities of the humans who run it, despite its contradictions.

Much has been given to the US and it in turn has tried to give much back.

Europe, by and large, does not fund humanitarian missions as much as the American public and private sectors.

The Mideast and Asia do not allow potentially hurtful dissent, opposition, trade unionism, individual rights, etc. like the US.

Does the US make mistakes? You bet. Has George Bush made mistakes? Uh-huh. But none of the mistakes can make me hate or ashamed of this country.

[Meathead]

The thing is, the current President always either gets the blame or the credit for the economy, it's much more complicated than that, sometimes it takes years before the effects of policy come to bear. That said, GWB has been anything but conservative on his fiscal policies. He is spending way more than the government takes in. Being the world's policeman costs alot of money.
i have become convinced that the economy is reflective of the current presidents policies only in the last year of their first term and of course their entire second term if reelected. therefore most of the time first termers are getting the last presidents economy

[Meathead]

National pride is really silly when you think about it. I've always been more proud of myself than in where I fell out of my momma...
well it can be silly it can be valuable and it can be dangerous depending on what element of that youre talking about

silly - when you become so wrapped up in your own country that you arent even really part of the world (probably most americans before 911 and still the majority though shrinking)

valuable - when you recognize america as a unit that is part of the world whole and you have the pride to do what you can to make our unit as good as possible with the hope that other units will do their part as well

dangerous - when you get so whipped up in nationalistic fervor that you give your president carte blanche to do anything he damn well feels like and threaten the stability of the entire planet by gung-ho invasions based on lies that you shoulda known were lies from someone you shoulda known was a pathetically poor manager of everything he touched before becoming president

[rob on the job]

... If I you or I were born in France and raised there, we'd get a tingle up the spine every time we saw a documentary listing French achievements. ...

It's a short list.

It has only two items: "mayonnaise" and "oral sex."

[voicekiller]

proud to be an american but embarrassed of my government especially this ass clown of a president

[biggyd]

I am very proud to be an American, I consider myself lucky to be born and raised in this country. I am a conservative Republican, who started out a Liberal. I honor the office of president, I think while in the US you can critque and say anything you want about any elected official or political decisions, laws etc. Dont act like the Dixie Chicks and bash the President while overseas, to me that is treason. Personally I like GW Bush the man, I cant stand his policies anymore, he is more liberal in some areana's then the Democrats.

[mighty peace warrior]

this thread is so totally not what i had intended

but at least i gave you this convenient opportunity to proclaim your great patriotism

when youre done it would be good if you considered the consequences of being so totally duped by this utterly failed president with a charming smile
this thread is stupid, i miss the days when you actually had something interesting to say..and didnt just judge everyone all the time, youre posts are boring. you dont like the president, we get it, neither do i.

[JoeMama]

Being an American is pretty cool.

We have lots of money to burn & lots of cool junk to waste it on thanks to the blessing of capitalism.

Frenzied consumerism is my favorite thing in the world, regardless of what president is in power.

So for that, I'll always bleed red, white & blue on a horribly superficial, yet appreciative, level.

What's great about having Bush as president is two things really.

(A) It's a golden age for political satire.

(B) I've been to the UK, Argentina, & the Bahamas during Bush's tenure & there's nothing better than getting your ass kissed by foriegn women for thinking Bush is a total moron.

God, especially the women in Argentina.

They're so gorgeous, so political, & Bush has like a 95% disapproval rating down there.

[mighty peace warrior]

Being an American is pretty cool.

We have lots of money to burn & lots of cool junk to waste it on thanks to the blessing of capitalism.

Frenzied consumerism is my favorite thing in the world, regardless of what president is in power.

So for that, I'll always bleed red, white & blue on a horribly superficial, yet appreciative, level.

What's great about having Bush as president is two things really.

(A) It's a golden age for political satire.

(B) I've been to the UK, Argentina, & the Bahamas during Bush's tenure & there's nothing better than getting your ass kissed by foriegn women for thinking Bush is a total moron.

God, especially the women in Argentina.

They're so gorgeous, so political, & Bush has like a 95% disapproval rating down there.
yes you are really ashamed, i am sure you live in a commune with no material things, and only have access to your fancy computer cause you go to the library. no consumerism in your house at all.

[JoeMama]

yes you are really ashamed, i am sure you live in a commune with no material things, and only have access to your fancy computer cause you go to the library. no consumerism in your house at all.

LOL!

I wasn't being facetious.

Capitalism is the best economic system ever devised, given a few, minor regulations.

I'm an economist. That's my degree.

I start work on my doctorate in August.

Not everything I say is sarcastic.

[mighty peace warrior]

LOL!

I wasn't being facetious.

Capitalism is the best economic system ever devised, given a few, minor regulations.

I'm an economist. That's my degree.

I start work on my doctorate in August.

Not everything I say is sarcastic.
ok, its hard to tell with you sometimes.

i bet the women are hot in argentina though... pics?

[JoeMama]

ok, its hard to tell with you sometimes.

i bet the women are hot in argentina though... pics?

Oh, they are.

I don't think there's a single overweight woman in Buenos Aires.

Or anywhere in Argentina for that matter.

Everyone walks everywhere so every girl has a great body.

Plus, the emphasis isn't on tits like it is over here. It's on the ass.

Which is swell for a guy like me who prefers a nice ass anyway.

Unfortunately no pictures. I went there in early '04 but all the pictures I saved to my computer were lost when it crashed last year.

You should PM Figurita.

He's from Argentina. He can back me up on this one.

[billsrdue2002]

As someone who can not only name all the presidents, but also each of their major accomplishments and mistakes while in office;

As someone who has studied American history, World history, the prehistoric and modern cultures of the World;

As someone who has followed American politics extremely closely since 1960, including all presidential conventions, both republican and democratic, since 1960;

As someone who has over 1,000 books on American history;

As someone who has served the United States of America in public service for decades, including working in the Nation's Capitol, Washington, D.C.;

As someone who has served as the government's representative at meetings at the Smithsonian Institution, at the National Trust for Historic Preservation, at the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation, as well as many other organizations entrusted with studying, understanding, and protecting our American heritage;

As someone who, as a result of the above, was invited to the White House and attended ceremonies in honor of historic preservation efforts in our country;

As someone whose life has been spent my whole life and my whole career in and out of government service working to identify, evaluate, protect, and preserve sites, structures, districts, objects, and data significant in American history;

As a son, a father, a husband, a taxpayer, and an American citizen;

I can emphatically state that all of my pride in being an American citizen, all of my pride in serving my country, all of my pride in becoming who I am and what I do for my country has been adversely affected by the policies and actions of our current president, George W. Bush, and his administration.

No one, no country, no war, no natural disaster in the history of the United States of America has done more harm to America's good name here and abroad than George W. Bush.

That being said, I am very proud of the 60% of Americans who oppose President Bush, his policies, his actions, and his administration.

I am not proud of the fact that there are still a small percentage of Americans who blindly support this president, this administration, and their idiotic policies.

[JoeMama]

Extremely well said, billsrdue2002.

Nice stuff.

[mighty peace warrior]

Oh, they are.

I don't think there's a single overweight woman in Buenos Aires.

Or anywhere in Argentina for that matter.

Everyone walks everywhere so every girl has a great body.

Plus, the emphasis isn't on tits like it is over here. It's on the ass.

Which is swell for a guy like me who prefers a nice ass anyway.

Unfortunately no pictures. I went there in early '04 but all the pictures I saved to my computer were lost when it crashed last year.

You should PM Figurita.

He's from Argentina. He can back me up on this one.
when i was in the army they wanted to send me to panama for two years, and learn Spanish. i was to be a liason between panamanian poice and our military police. i really wanted to go because of the panamanian women i had seen, but it was a four year commitment and i had done my time. there is just something about women from that part of the world....

[JoeMama]

“That we are to stand by the President right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” -- Theodore Roosevelt

[35Pete]

Some of you people really should be embarrassed to be Americans. Because I for one am embarrassed that you are.

[JoeMama]

Some of you people really should be embarrassed to be Americans. Because I for one am embarrassed that you are.

If only we were true Americans that hate freedom & love unjust wars like you!

[JoeMama]

Lel

[Meathead]

now thats what i was going for billsrdue2002. i probably woulda got it earlier had i not ****ed up the title but it was so good it was worth the wait

its astonishing to me there remains the support for him that there does. i started saying that four years ago and it still stands today. it goes waay beyond just not liking somebody, this is about conscience. this mans regime has actually regressed this country and worsened things around the world. by any objective measure he has been an utter failure and borderline criminal (stay tuned). real patriotism would have stood up and rejected what was clearly an unamerican way to govern long ago

that it hasnt happened yet can only be seen as a flaw in character

i cant imagine how somebody can say they love this country and just stand by while bad and stupid men steer us into icebergs

[Meathead]

the past tense of fug is apparently censored

so we can say shit but not fug ged lmao

[г]

The mere thought of someone going through my mother in law's underwear has affected me in a very grotesque and repulsive way.

Considering that when they were made, the factory had to span three area codes to get her size right...

[rob on the job]

... its astonishing to me there remains the support for him that there does. ...

I guess this means you're not as smart as you think you are.

[Meathead]

probably not

nobody could live up to that standard

[bigdog]

It's true, credit card companies have taken over the shylock business, that's why you have to take personal fiscal responsibility. Don't run up debt on a credit card!! Pay off the balance every month. If you have accrued a balance work on paying it down. The problem is Americans are addicted to credit, it's so easy to buy things you don't really need. The key is live within your means, make a monthly budget and don't exceed it. As far as credit cards and you debt go, that's nobodies fault but your own.

I agree with this, nobody makes a person use a credit card. My only problem with the minumum payment being raised is they didn't grandfather the debt already there. If I accumulate debt under certain terms I expect those terms to be honored. Raise the limit on any NEW debt I add - fine. Change the rules when it suits you - BS.

I carry zero credit card debt BTW so I'm speaking strictly from a fair play standpoint here.

It goes right to whats wrong with America under this corrupt bunch of sycophants. Play by the rules and we'll change them. Get pissed about it and we'll tell you to just get over it. Bushco answers to the corporate masters not the american people.

[sukie]

I thought raising the minimum monthly was to shorten the loans length.

[rob on the job]

probably not

nobody could live up to that standard

I'll give this to you, Halbert -- that was a good reposte.

http://hcs.harvard.edu/~fencing/photos/brandeis/emily%20lunging.jpg

[Meathead]

what can i say i got lucky