Iran Threatens U.S.

[pmoon6]

Iran Threatens U.S. With 'Harm and Pain'

By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press Writer


VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday for its role in hauling Tehran before the U.N. Security Council over its nuclear program.

But the United States and its European allies said Iran's nuclear intransigence left the world no choice but to seek Security Council action. The council could impose economic and political sanctions on Iran.

The statements were delivered to the 35-member board of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is meeting to focus on Tehran's refusal to freeze uranium enrichment.

The White House dismissed the rhetoric out of Tehran.

"I think that provocative statements and actions only further isolate Iran from the rest of the world," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters traveling with President Bush to hurricane-affected states in the Gulf Coast. "And the international community has spelled out to Iran what it needs to do."

John Bolton, America's ambassador to the United Nations, said Iran's comments showed how much of a menace it was.

"Their threats show why leaving a country like that with a nuclear weapon is so dangerous," he told The Associated Press in a phone call from Washington.

Bolton classified the Iranian comments as "reflecting their determination to acquire weapons."

Wednesday's meeting is in effect the last step before the Security Council begins considering Iran's nuclear activities and international fears they could be misused to make weapons. It began with both Iran and the nations opposing its enrichment plans sticking to their positions.

"The United States has the power to cause harm and pain," said Ali Asghar Soltanieh, a senior Iranian delegate to the IAEA. "But the United States is also susceptible to harm and pain. So if that is the path that the U.S. wishes to choose, let the ball roll."

He did not elaborate but suggested Iran was awaiting additional American moves.

But diplomats accredited to the meeting and in contact with the Iranians said the statement could be a veiled threat to use oil as an economic weapon.

Iran is the second-largest producer within the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, and a boycott could target Europe, China or India.

At an OPEC meeting in Vienna, Iran petroleum minister Sayed Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh deflected questions about Iran's threat, saying: "Ask the one who said that."

He later sought to ease worries about Iran's oil plans, telling reporters: "So far there's no reason to reduce exports. Iran has no intention whatsoever of reducing its oil exports."

Oil supplies are tight worldwide and prices already are high. Although the United States does not buy oil directly from Iran, any Iranian effort to tighten world supplies would effect oil prices in the United States.

Iran also has leverage with extremists in Iraq, the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah and the Islamic militant group Hamas, which won Palestinian elections in January. Both groups are classified by the U.S. State Department as terrorist organizations.

On Tuesday, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld accused Iran of dispatching elements of its Revolutionary Guard to stir trouble inside Iraq.

Iran's statement was unusually harsh, reflecting Tehran's frustration at failing to deflect the threat of Security Council action against it in the coming weeks. Tehran maintains its nuclear program is for generating electricity.

"Our nation has made its decision to fully use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes and all have to give in to this decision made by the Iranian nation," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in Iran. "We have made our choice."

Iran also attacked "warmongers in Washington" for what it said was an unjust accusation that Tehran's nuclear intentions were mainly for military use. It also suggested America was vulnerable, despite its strength.

"Surely we are not naive about the United States' ... intention to flex muscles," the statement said. "But we also see the bone fractures underneath."

It also threatened broader retaliation, without being specific, saying Iran "will adapt our policy and adjust our approach to conform with the new exigencies."

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[rob on the job]

Good God, do the Iranians WANT a war?

I am opposed to a land invasion of Iran by the US, but I think I could close my eyes if our Navy launched a few missiles to rain bloody hell on ol' Mahmoud.

[г]

I think they were misquoted...they were humming along to Maxi Priest at the time....

'Joy....Pain....Sunshine....Rain'

[coastal]

I think they were misquoted...they were humming along to Maxi Priest at the time....

'Joy....Pain....Sunshine....Rain'
LOL!

[nehemiah]

Good God, do the Iranians WANT a war?:dunno:

it's not like the US hasn't done some posturing. both sides want a war.

[rob on the job]

:dunno:

it's not like the US hasn't done some posturing. both sides want a war.

Do you think war will happen, Nehe?

[nehemiah]

Do you think war will happen, Nehe?there will certainly be a push re: "how frightening iran is" during the summer months b/c we have elections this year and scared people have voted republican for the past 5 years.

i don't think that we will invade. if anything, israel will swing their **** around and the middle east will have another multi-country war.

[rob on the job]

... if anything, israel will swing their **** around and the middle east will have another multi-country war.

Oh, that's all.

That's reassuring.

[Ru]

I think they were misquoted...they were humming along to Maxi Priest at the time....

'Joy....Pain....Sunshine....Rain'

That is Rob Base and DJ Easy Rock. Or is Maxi Priest the sample that is used?

[CoachC.]

That is Rob Base and DJ Easy Rock. Or is Maxi Priest the sample that is used?

That's what I thought when I read it.

Then I thought that maybe I'm just too young to realize it was a re-make.

???Which is it???

[35Pete]

there will certainly be a push re: "how frightening iran is" during the summer months b/c we have elections this year and scared people have voted republican for the past 5 years.

i don't think that we will invade. if anything, israel will swing their **** around and the middle east will have another multi-country war.
Well that wouldn't be too bad. Make for some great live action news on Fox and fantastic documentaries on the History Channel for years to come. Plus, we get to see Israel kick the shit out of the Iranians. Now that would be fun to watch. The Jews have been abused way too much for too long. About time they hit back. Ohh vey!

[pmoon6]

C'mon Pete, you're making a pro-Israeli statement. You're taking the risk of Chimp coming in here and slapping your peepee. I wouldn't want you to suffer that humilition.:D

[35Pete]

C'mon Pete, you're making a pro-Israeli statement. You're taking the risk of Chimp coming in here and slapping your peepee. I wouldn't want you to suffer that humilition.:D
No kidding. Anytime Chimp has a chance to kick the Jews.....

[г]

Hmmm....80's music trivia

It probably was Rob Base "It takes two...."
Maxi was more of a reggae act, if I remember, so you're probably right.

[JoeMama]

I hope Israel & Iran blow eachother off the face of the earth. Two less problems in the middle east.

[Ru]

I hope Rob Base and DJ Easy Rock do a comeback tour this summer with opening act Maxi Priest.

[ticatfan3]

Iran wants Isreal and the US to attack, they are hoping you will attack and then the Iranian leader because a very powerfull man in the M.E. You are going to have to come up with a different plan.

[35Pete]

Iran wants Isreal and the US to attack, they are hoping you will attack and then the Iranian leader because a very powerfull man in the M.E. You are going to have to come up with a different plan.
The US and Israel, if they committed to total and merciless war with Iran, would kick the living shit out of them. There is NO nation on this earth that could withstand war with the United States of America unless they resorted to nukes. In which case we would annihilate them anyways by responding in kind. We are the Roman Empire of the 21st century. And we will remain that way until at least after my death. I know as a Canadian you do not want to hear that. But it is the truth and you and I both know it.

[ticatfan3]

The US and Israel, if they committed to total and merciless war with Iran, would kick the living shit out of them. There is NO nation on this earth that could withstand war with the United States of America unless they resorted to nukes. In which case we would annihilate them anyways by responding in kind. We are the Roman Empire of the 21st century. And we will remain that way until at least after my death. I know as a Canadian you do not want to hear that. But it is the truth and you and I both know it.This is real life pete ,not a hollywood movie.And where is the romam empire. You are stuck in Iraq, NATO has gone to afghanistan to do the job. And you lost to CANADA in the world baseball tourney. And you only beat CANADA by 1 medal in the olympics, sounds to me the empire is dying.

[35Pete]

This is real life pete ,not a hollywood movie.And where is the romam empire. You are stuck in Iraq, NATO has gone to afghanistan to do the job. And you lost to CANADA in the world baseball tourney. And you only beat CANADA by 1 medal in the olympics, sounds to me the empire is dying.
Ohh please. The empire is NOT defined by how many olympic medals we win. We WILL win in Iraq (and you know it!), the VAST bulk of Afghani operations are still conducted by the Americans (because everyone else is militarily incompetent compared to us) and no one can withstand the brute military force of the US. And you know it. We are THE WORLD'S SOLE EMPIRE.

[ticatfan3]

Ohh please. The empire is NOT defined by how many olympic medals we win. We WILL win in Iraq (and you know it!), the VAST bulk of Afghani operations are still conducted by the Americans (because everyone else is militarily incompetent compared to us) and no one can withstand the brute military force of the US. And you know it. We are THE WORLD'S SOLE EMPIRE.You are getting your a$$ kicked where ever you go, now the armies of the commonwealth have to clean up the mess left by the great american empire.

[35Pete]

You are getting your a$$ kicked where ever you go, now the armies of the commonwealth have to clean up the mess left by the great american empire.


OMG!!! Pleaaaaase. We HAVE NEVER been losing in Afghanistan (and you know it!!), Iraq is tricky but will just take a little longer, and the "commonwealth" has what?, 10% of the military capability of the empire?
Say something intelligent of don't say anything at all.

Canada and the "commonwealth" would have recieved an asswhipping in Iraq against the 4th largest (Iraqi) army in the world. Remember. You guys receive your military training from us. Afterall, we are the experts, you guys are not.

Our military hardware is VASTLY superior to the crap you have and our battle doctrines blow away the Mickey Mouse shit that you guys follow.

Leave it to the experts. The US that is.

[nehemiah]

so we can blow stuff up? okay. good for us. good for gary hogeboom. what do we do after that?

kill the leader. up pops an even more radical leader. "whack-an-islamic leader mole" doesn't work. iraq has proved that.

btw, this is the same thing that caused the downfall of the roman empire. for the record.

[nehemiah]

al gore or john kerry would never have allowed the US baseball team to be beaten by canada, btw... what a ****ing disgrace.

worst. president. ever.

[rob on the job]

al gore or john kerry would never have allowed the US baseball team to be beaten by canada, btw... what a ****ing disgrace.

worst. president. ever.

Yeah, when I voted for Bush, I fully expected that with all his baseball experience, he would have been able to adequately play the carom off the wall and prevent inside-the-park homers.

What a douche.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/01/19/bush/BushBaseballWorld.jpg

[nehemiah]

Yeah, when I voted for Bush, I fully expected that with all his baseball experience, he would have been able to adequately play the carom off the wall and prevent inside-the-park homers.

What a douche.+1

he has tried to flush this whole country done the toilet and our baseball superiority has followed suit. this started with reagan... the first of the anti-American presidents, who treated latin america like a plaything - causing our superiority over them in baseball to be hexed. the latin american teams began to kick our ass.

"america's game" is floating around the bowl. gw bush has shit on everything american.

worst. president. ever.

[35Pete]

+1

he has tried to flush this whole country done the toilet and our baseball superiority has followed suit. this started with reagan... the first of the anti-American presidents, who treated latin america like a plaything - causing our superiority over them in baseball to be hexed. the latin american teams began to kick our ass.

"america's game" is floating around the bowl. gw bush has shit on everything american.

worst. president. ever.
God. Grasping at straws. How pathetic. Reagan was the GREATEST American President EVER. You want to talk about the worst presidents? Seriously? How about LBJ and FDR? WORST PRESIDENTS EVER!!!!

[nehemiah]

God. Grasping at straws. How pathetic. Reagan was the GREATEST American President EVER. You want to talk about the worst presidents? Seriously? How about LBJ and FDR? WORST PRESIDENTS EVER!!!!i got news for you, buster.

when LBJ and FDR were president - America kicked everyone's ass at baseball. FACT.

[35Pete]

i got news for you, buster.

when LBJ and FDR were president - America kicked everyone's ass at baseball. FACT.
I got more important news for you buddy. They grew the government MORE than any other presidents. The worst presidents of all time? Easy:

FDR
LBJ
Carter
Clinton

What do they all have in common? Hmmm......

[35Pete]

To save this nation from ruin, it is soooo very important for every American to NEVER vote for a Democratic president. They only cause harm, pain, and ruin to our nation.

Democrats should be jailed for TREASON against the constitution. And you know it. :D

[35Pete]

ALWAYS vote for the conservative candidate. ALWAYS. To do otherwise is so unamerican as to be traitorous.

[35Pete]

BTW nehe. From your posts I suspect that you are jewish. Very cool. You know how strong my alliance is with the jewish people. In fact, I would not mind at all hooking up with a nice hot jewish wife. Damn, they have beautiful eyes!!! :)

[nehemiah]

i'm not jewish. i did work for ZOG, though.

:rockon: Irish Catholic.

[rob on the job]

... :rockon: Irish Catholic.

One out of two ain't bad.

[rob on the job]

... You know how strong my alliance is with the jewish people. In fact, I would not mind at all hooking up with a nice hot jewish wife. Damn, they have beautiful eyes!!! :)

Pete, your insomnia and diet are making you half-nuts.

Bad enough mistaking that leprachaun terrorist Nehe for a Jew; now you have to confess to us your desire to breed with a married Jewess?

[slap across the face]

Pull yourself together!

And if you continue to lust after Jewish women, feel free to pleasure yourself to the reminder below of what they could look like in a few years:

http://www.punditguy.com/images/snl101.myers.richman.010704_small1.jpg

[ticatfan3]

OMG!!! Pleaaaaase. We HAVE NEVER been losing in Afghanistan (and you know it!!), Iraq is tricky but will just take a little longer, and the "commonwealth" has what?, 10% of the military capability of the empire?
Say something intelligent of don't say anything at all.

Canada and the "commonwealth" would have recieved an asswhipping in Iraq against the 4th largest (Iraqi) army in the world. Remember. You guys receive your military training from us. Afterall, we are the experts, you guys are not.

Our military hardware is VASTLY superior to the crap you have and our battle doctrines blow away the Mickey Mouse shit that you guys follow.

Leave it to the experts. The US that is.We train our own army ,not you.And any army competition we have entered against the americans we whip your a$$ and that is with older equiptment.And your battle dopctrines are not that good, you attack in #'s and without those #'s you are done. All a real enemy has to do is take out your satellites and your army shuts down where small ones like ours can keep going. Our boys are train to fight with thier hands,knives guns, we don;t depend on all the fancy toys, that is what has weaken the way your army fights, you depend on the tech to much. We do not have the capabiltiy to invade countries but one thing that history has proven ,that in battle the canadian army has always been a superior fighting force compared to any other army, from the boar war to now.

[35Pete]

We train our own army ,not you.And any army competition we have entered against the americans we whip your a$$ and that is with older equiptment.And your battle dopctrines are not that good, you attack in #'s and without those #'s you are done. All a real enemy has to do is take out your satellites and your army shuts down where small ones like ours can keep going. Our boys are train to fight with thier hands,knives guns, we don;t depend on all the fancy toys, that is what has weaken the way your army fights, you depend on the tech to much. We do not have the capabiltiy to invade countries but one thing that history has proven ,that in battle the canadian army has always been a superior fighting force compared to any other army, from the boar war to now.
What a crock of crap!!!! WE HAVE NEVER LOST A BATTLE, save Kasserine Pass, which was a draw. Period!!! Unlike, say, Dieppe. Oops. Sorry. That must have hurt. You guys got massacred. And yes, stop lying. You get your battle dotrine from us. Because we are the experts at it. We attack in numbers? We were outnumbered 5:1 in the intial assault on Iraq!!! Get your facts staight boy.

[rob on the job]

My word, is THIS what this thread has come to?

The US military against the Canadian military?

What the hell has gone wrong here?

[nehemiah]

this is a great thread.

:popcorn:

[35Pete]

5:1. I repeat. 5:1. But we are just that damn good. Really. If Canada were outnumbered 5:1 they would get an ass whipping. Against anybody. Don't even try to denigrate the almighty firepower of the empire. Don't even try.

[sukie]

I have one problem with our mighty military... We keep trying to fight the flawless, casulty-less, perfect war because our fragile populice is a bunch of pussies when it comes to a single troop dying.

[35Pete]

Yes. We do have the most advanced war technology on the planet, bar none. But doesn't that too get your goat? The United States Of America is the MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY advanced nation on earth, bar none. Sorry. But it is true. The best and brightest live here. That does contribute to why we are able to pummell our opponents so efficiently. God, that has GOT to burn your ass big time ticat.

[sukie]

The media is our worst and most formidable enemy.

[35Pete]

We waste our enemy with a very high degree of efficiency. Too which I am proud. An American life is worth the lives of 100 enemy. (I am sure you would say the same thing about Canadians, if you did not you would be a putz).

The key here is to enforce American policy upon only the belligerents of the world. That way we keep the planet safe for democracy.

[ticatfan3]

What a crock of crap!!!! WE HAVE NEVER LOST A BATTLE, save Kasserine Pass, which was a draw. Period!!! Unlike, say, Dieppe. Oops. Sorry. That must have hurt. You guys got massacred. And yes, stop lying. You get your battle dotrine from us. Because we are the experts at it. We attack in numbers? We were outnumbered 5:1 in the intial assault on Iraq!!! Get your facts staight boy.Our battle doctrine is taken form other armies mainly the british and we put our own touch on to it ,which then makes it better. We are different then the americans. Dieppe failed because of the british, but it was not a complete failure. What they learnt from that invasion,saved alot of lives. But don't forget the american rangers that were on that mission. My mother's uncle was a member of a 13 man commando unit on a secret mission that day. They fought off the beach ,fought threw a town, fought to get over a bridge and then fought to hold on to a radar station, while the ''expert'' checked it out. Out of the 13, 10 were dead before they got back to the beach, my uncle stayed behind to cover the rear, while the other soldier and expert made it to the boats, my uncle was killed before he could get back to the water. That was kept quiet for decades, but I found a book about it ,which he is mentioned.That action saved 1000's of airmen lives in the war. And the movie ''a bridge to far'' that military action was a disaster, and the canadians had a better plan, but due to american and british arrogance to see who could get to germany first, alot of people died that never should have , they eventually went back to the canadian plan. That bridge that was not taken, the canadians were sent in a month later and took it. If you took the time and read up on canadian military history you would find out a lot of the nasty battles were given to the canadians to do,in both world wars. Just like the normandy landings we were up against the toughfest,meanest fanatical germans (12th SS Panzer) in france. And if I might mention we were the only allied army that reached it objectives that day. Unfortunitly the leader of the 12th kurt meyers had 155 canadian POW's from the 1st couple of days excuted. Which in turned the canadian did not take any prisoners alive for a while.And lets talk rome ,the canadians should have been the 1st army there but american general clark (who thought he was another ceaser) said he would fire on anybody that tried to enter rome before he did. And then the medac poccket in 1993 where 50 canadians fought a 3 day battle against 2500 croats with tanks and heavy weapons, we defeated them and never lost one man compare to many dead croats. I could go on.

[nehemiah]

The media is our worst and most formidable enemy.really? tell us more.

:popcorn:

[35Pete]

Our battle doctrine is taken form other armies mainly the british and we put our own touch on to it ,which then makes it better. We are different then the americans. Dieppe failed because of the british, but it was not a complete failure. What they learnt from that invasion,saved alot of lives. But don't forget the american rangers that were on that mission. My mother's uncle was a member of a 13 man commando unit on a secret mission that day. They fought off the beach ,fought threw a town, fought to get over a bridge and then fought to hold on to a radar station, while the ''expert'' checked it out. Out of the 13, 10 were dead before they got back to the beach, my uncle stayed behind to cover the rear, while the other soldier and expert made it to the boats, my uncle was killed before he could get back to the water. That was kept quiet for decades, but I found a book about it ,which he is mentioned.That action saved 1000's of airmen lives in the war. And the movie ''a bridge to far'' that military action was a disaster, and the canadians had a better plan, but due to american and british arrogance to see who could get to germany first, alot of people died that never should have , they eventually went back to the canadian plan. That bridge that was not taken, the canadians were sent in a month later and took it. If you took the time and read up on canadian military history you would find out a lot of the nasty battles were given to the canadians to do,in both world wars. Just like the normandy landings we were up against the toughfest,meanest fanatical germans (12th SS Panzer) in france. And if I might mention we were the only allied army that reached it objectives that day. Unfortunitly the leader of the 12th kurt meyers had 155 canadian POW's from the 1st couple of days excuted. Which in turned the canadian did not take any prisoners alive for a while.And lets talk rome ,the canadians should have been the 1st army there but american general clark (who thought he was another ceaser) said he would fire on anybody that tried to enter rome before he did. And then the medac poccket in 1993 where 50 canadians fought a 3 day battle against 2500 croats with tanks and heavy weapons, we defeated them and never lost one man compare to many dead croats. I could go on.

Get your history straight. Market Garden was a BRITISH plan, not an American one. And Omaha beach was the nasitiest bloodbath. 10's more heavily defended than Sword, Juno, or Gold beach. Next worst was Utah. Both given the Americans. Stop making crap up. You guys had a cakewalk on D day and you know it. It was the Americans that attacked the heaviest defended and nastiest beacheads. Why? Because only we could do it.

Ohhh my. The 12th SS panzer in OPEN COUNTRY. That had to be rough. Try slogging it out against heavily fortified cliffs, machine gun nests every 30 metres, and presighted artillery fire. Try that.

Don't get into an argument with me about WWII. I read voraciously about WWI, and watch EVERY History Channel and Military Channel documentary there is on this subject.

[sukie]

really? tell us more.

:popcorn:
Okee Dokee....

Well it all begins with the constant news coverage and imbedded reporters. Video feeds are gold!!!

The American public is glued to it... They want every angle and nuance to be visually reported. This in turn causes the media to dig for anything to fill a ten second spot on the evening news. The public, however is deeply disturbed when a single American is killed. This is played on by the media so daily tallies are reported.

It is this reporting that is useless, counter productive, and makes us war mongers (jk) try to fight a perfect war void of any collateral damage because we might offend the viewing public.

[smaweet]

I like how people talk like they fought in the war.

[35Pete]

I like how people talk like they fought in the war.
So only veterans are qualified to comment?

[35Pete]

Our battle doctrine is taken form other armies mainly the british and we put our own touch on to it ,which then makes it better.
The British suck at combat. I would not be too proud of that. We bailed their asses out many a time in the European theatre. They are just not that aggresive. In contrast history has shown the fighting American soldier to be extremely aggresive. We are the best there is.

[Woody]

After Pete dies America is screwed! NooO00ooo!!! :niterider

We are the Roman Empire of the 21st century. And we will remain that way until at least after my death.

[uppy]

The media is our worst and most formidable enemy.


Sad but true

[ticatfan3]

Get your history straight. Market Garden was a BRITISH plan, not an American one. And Omaha beach was the nasitiest bloodbath. 10's more heavily defended than Sword, Juno, or Gold beach. Next worst was Utah. Both given the Americans. Stop making crap up. You guys had a cakewalk on D day and you know it. It was the Americans that attacked the heaviest defended and nastiest beacheads. Why? Because only we could do it.

Ohhh my. The 12th SS panzer in OPEN COUNTRY. That had to be rough. Try slogging it out against heavily fortified cliffs, machine gun nests every 30 metres, and presighted artillery fire. Try that.

Don't get into an argument with me about WWII. I read voraciously about WWI, and watch EVERY History Channel and Military Channel documentary there is on this subject. 1st check your facts it was not open country. it was hedge row hell. You want to talk slugging it, lets talk cliffs, is that the one when you guys got to the top and nobody was there. Or lets go back to fortified ports, when you and the british were wasting men and equipment in your race to germany , part of canadian army was heading up the french coast line taking the heavily fortified ports, so supply lines could be open up. or lets talk about antwerp and how the port was open but npo ships could reach it, now the canadians knew that there was going to be a problem and the americans and british were to busy trying to out do each other. You were in such a rush to get to the river rhine that you forgot all supplies were coming from normandy and could not keep up , again the canadians knew this but was ignored, it is all about glory with your generals.I am not taking anything away from the american military could not have won the war without them, it is just the canadians did'nt get the respect they deserved. It was a known fact the germans feared the canadians more the they ever feared americans.

[35Pete]

1st check your facts it was not open country. it was hedge row hell. You want to talk slugging it, lets talk cliffs, is that the one when you guys got to the top and nobody was there. Or lets go back to fortified ports, when you and the british were wasting men and equipment in your race to germany , part of canadian army was heading up the french coast line taking the heavily fortified ports, so supply lines could be open up. or lets talk about antwerp and how the port was open but npo ships could reach it, now the canadians knew that there was going to be a problem and the americans and british were to busy trying to out do each other. You were in such a rush to get to the river rhine that you forgot all supplies were coming from normandy and could not keep up , again the canadians knew this but was ignored, it is all about glory with your generals.I am not taking anything away from the american military could not have won the war without them, it is just the canadians did'nt get the respect they deserved. It was a known fact the germans feared the canadians more the they ever feared americans.

You still don't have your facts right. Hedgerow country was INLAND applied to ALL the beachheads. Known fact that the krauts feared the canadians more than say, Patton? What a joke. Patton was THE most feared general in the allied command.

[ticatfan3]

You still don't have your facts right. Hedgerow country was INLAND applied to ALL the beachheads. Known fact that the krauts feared the canadians more than say, Patton? What a joke. Patton was THE most feared general in the allied command.I agree with patton beinga feared general,I am talking soldiers. And I just watch a program on the history channel 2 nights ago and yes hedge rows were a problem where the canadians were.Here is a little story on what I was talking about.
http://www.around.ntl.sympatico.ca/~toby/rats.html

[rob on the job]

I dunno. Seems to me the Canadian soldier [shown below] is rather diminutive.

http://www.ltgov.bc.ca/images/photos/050528-cadet-review1.jpg

[ticatfan3]

Better read this pete. http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/canada.html

[ticatfan3]

You still don't have your facts right. Hedgerow country was INLAND applied to ALL the beachheads. Known fact that the krauts feared the canadians more than say, Patton? What a joke. Patton was THE most feared general in the allied command.And remember pete where did the soldiers go after the invasion, inland.lol

[ticatfan3]

I dunno. Seems to me the Canadian soldier [shown below] is rather diminutive.

http://www.ltgov.bc.ca/images/photos/050528-cadet-review1.jpgHe will grow.

[ticatfan3]

So really pete if it was not for the canadain army,the great push into germany could have been stalled for a long time. Ever see the tom hanks movie, I forget the name but you know which one. The scenes in that movie was made from canadian film, why you asked, because like our soldiers out war reporters were the best. In one story about why canadian scenes were used ( what you see in the movie is what our troops seen) becasue most american reporters were to busy taking pics of heros and generals.

[NorthwesternFan]

If we bomb Iran it could be devastating to the war on terror. Iran isn't known to go down without a fight. You can bet they will use their 800,000 soldiers and million anti-american terrorists to kill off american forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[rob on the job]

Look, Americans and Canadians have cooperated well militarily in the 20th and 21st centuries. The 19th and 18th centuries featured unfortunate and unsuccessful invasions of Canada by the US.

I think it is pointless to pit the two nations' armies against one another.

It would be easier, quicker and more interesting to watch TiCat and Pete go at it.

Talk about your bumfights.

[ticatfan3]

Look, Americans and Canadians have cooperated well militarily in the 20th and 21st centuries. The 19th and 18th centuries featured unfortunate and unsuccessful invasions of Canada by the US.

I think it is pointless to pit the two nations' armies against one another.

It would be easier, quicker and more interesting to watch TiCat and Pete go at it.

Talk about your bumfights.Ya really, but it bothers me when certain people think that america did it all. Hollywood movies alway make the american the hero, when in fact alot of hollywood war battles were won by someone else but the movie it is just america. We had the 3rd largest navy in the war and our more than a million men and women in uniform , if I remember correctly was the only all volunteer army in the war.

[35Pete]

So really pete if it was not for the canadain army,the great push into germany could have been stalled for a long time. Ever see the tom hanks movie, I forget the name but you know which one. The scenes in that movie was made from canadian film, why you asked, because like our soldiers out war reporters were the best. In one story about why canadian scenes were used ( what you see in the movie is what our troops seen) becasue most american reporters were to busy taking pics of heros and generals.
Actually the American footage of D day was flown back to London where it was destroyed by a careless developer.

[rob on the job]

Ya really, but it bothers me when certain people think that america did it all. Hollywood movies alway make the american the hero, when in fact alot of hollywood war battles were won by someone else but the movie it is just america. We had the 3rd largest navy in the war and our more than a million men and women in uniform , if I remember correctly was the only all volunteer army in the war.

So what you're saying is that the Canadian film industry sucks.

I blame Shiva.

[ticatfan3]

So what you're saying is that the Canadian film industry sucks.

I blame Shiva.Yup.

[35Pete]

Ya really, but it bothers me when certain people think that america did it all. Hollywood movies alway make the american the hero, when in fact alot of hollywood war battles were won by someone else but the movie it is just america. We had the 3rd largest navy in the war and our more than a million men and women in uniform , if I remember correctly was the only all volunteer army in the war.
Well we did win most of it. I mean come on. You could say that Russia took the brunt but she was not fighting a two front war. With the exception of a little help from the Aussies (excellent fighters btw) America won the pacific theatre and a good chunk of the european. No one is taking aways Canada's role. Just that our military was 18 times larger.

[ticatfan3]

Well we did win most of it. I mean come on. You could say that Russia took the brunt but she was not fighting a two front war. With the exception of a little help from the Aussies (excellent fighters btw) America won the pacific theatre and a good chunk of the european. No one is taking aways Canada's role. Just that our military was 18 times larger.Yes ,I agree ,but canada got a lot of the dirty stuff. And alot of canadians were taken prisoner by the japs before american was fully involved in the war. Lets remember we were in it from 39 and the 1st war in it from 14. One of the 1st battles we had was against the japs in hong kong, 2500 poorly equip men fighting the full brunt of the japs,I think they held out for a couple of months. But canadians were involved in the pacific theater, just not in big numbers. We only had a population of 10 mil, and 10% of that was in uniform. Alot of our naval resourses went into the battle of the alantic, and no pete america did not win the battle of the alantic by it's self.