Ngata vs Bunkley

[Merk]

So lets forget about V.Davis and Huff for this one and say you are Marv and Ralph has said he wants one of these two guys



Which one do you pick and why?



Here are there Profiles

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http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=84317


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http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=84437

[Merk]

IMO I'm taking Bunkley

For a couple of reasons

-I think Bunkley fits the type cover 2 better than Ngata
-Bunkley is built like a tank and is strong at the point of attack
-I think Bunkley is just a flat out warrior who will give it his all every play every game
-Has a knack for getting in the backfield and is a better pass rusher than Ngata
-I look at Bunkley and see W.Sapp like potential, I look at Ngata and I see a little better pro version of D.Wilkerson. I'd rather have Sapp


(Side Note: I have these guys rated extremely close to one another on my big board. They are only seperated on on a team by team basis. For example if I was a Cleveland fan I would want Ngata)

[buffan100]

Neither, POOR value out of the #8. One may still be there at #12-16. I'd rather see us pick a DB if all else failed. We could get the #1 CB out there and play him in the nickel.

[GvilleBill]

Ya take Bunk not only b/c he WILL be a better pro than Ngata, but b/c you can gain a draft pick in doing so.

[BLeonard]

I said it on Feb. 13...

Trade down, get an extra pick or two and take Bunkley.

There is always the possibility that both could be there after trading down, but I think Bunkley fits better.

-Bill

[TigerJ]

Simple. Bunkley appears to match more closely what the defense we expect to be installed by the Bills calls for in a DT. He is gifted at penetrating the line and getting past blockers to disrupt a play. Ngata is probably going to be a good NFL nose tackle in the 3-4 or a solid run plugging DT in a 4-3. In short, he was what the Bills needed last season. His combine confirmed he's going to be the run plugger, more than the disruptive penetrator he was two years ago before he wrecked his knee when he ran a 5.1 40 and not the 4.87 that had been advertized. His time was very good for such a big man, but it marks a shift in the kind of player he is.

[SCBILLFAN1]

TigerJ is right. Ngata is a nose tackle and Bunkley is a 4-3 tackle. However Ngata is the better overall athlete and we need someone to protect Fletcher from the guards. I vote for Ngata.

[TRIPLE P]

I vote for Bunkley cuz I refuse to accept a defensive player from the Pac-10

[FknGvna]

I only need one reason. He did it by himself.

And who cares about fitting the system. The guy is the best DT, by Far. He was scouted as having Ted's size with Sapp's quickness. Huh? uh, huh? wha?

[FknGvna]

TigerJ is right. Ngata is a nose tackle and Bunkley is a 4-3 tackle. However Ngata is the better overall athlete and we need someone to protect Fletcher from the guards. I vote for Ngata.


So I guess Ted was worthless in a Bills uniform.

And read Bunkleys report. He's better if he's paired up with a BIG DT alongside him. Bunkley, Lewis; Bunkley, Pickett, huh. Ngata, Bannan would destroy the league. Who had the most tackles for lost at DT for us. I bet Bannan. Took a while to find his niche but the guy's dependable. Go Bannan Go. I'll give chips to adopt him!

[Hsker4Life]

If it's with the #8 pick, Ngata, hands down. If we decide to move down and get Bunkley AND an extra draft pick, I'm fine with that.

We were 31st against the run last year...'nuff said.

[Merk]

So I guess Ted was worthless in a Bills uniform.


Not in a 3-4

[Merk]

I only need one reason. He did it by himself.

And who cares about fitting the system. The guy is the best DT, by Far. He was scouted as having Ted's size with Sapp's quickness. Huh? uh, huh? wha?



I care b/c if you can match a player to a system that fits him you have a better chacnce to maximize the players skills and potential

[Merk]

I only need one reason. He did it by himself.

And who cares about fitting the system. The guy is the best DT, by Far. He was scouted as having Ted's size with Sapp's quickness. Huh? uh, huh? wha?



he is also scouted as having Big Teds stamina



Takes alot of plays off

[pigskin]

Neither, POOR value out of the #8. One may still be there at #12-16. I'd rather see us pick a DB if all else failed. We could get the #1 CB out there and play him in the nickel.

Let me get this straight, it is poor value to get a DT that will be in on every play and getting a CB that will play in the nickel is good value?

[FknGvna]

Name a big man who doesn't need rotation. Guy was on an island ast Oregon.

[Merk]

Name a big man who doesn't need rotation. Guy was on an island ast Oregon.



I can name a college DT that rotated out less times


Bunkley

[D-Rocafella]

With the defense we will run the idea is to use the front 4 to rush the passer. So our linebackers will not be blitzed as much and will be playinf more zone. So the whole get Ngata so o-linemen will be off our linebackers argument holds no weight.

Our goal with this new D is to get the best 4 pass rushers we can on our line. With the 8th pick if Mario were there then that's a no brainer. But chances are he will be gone so if we still want the best pass rusher available it becomes Bunkley. This guy has the ability to be like Tommie Harris and Harris is a great pass rushing DT.

[sdolan11]

Bunkley . . easy decision for me. The guy is the all time leader at FSU in tackles for loss . . .which we NEED . . . and that's at a school that has been renound for putting d-line in the NFL.

[Might]

I said it on Feb. 13...

Trade down, get an extra pick or two and take Bunkley.

There is always the possibility that both could be there after trading down, but I think Bunkley fits better.

-Bill

Trade down if you can pick up an extra 2nd rounder... which would be about pick 15 or so.

Then grab Bunkley.

But I'd be nervous about him still being there. If you trade down to 11 or 12, you might only be able to add 3rd rounder.

[emo]

i don't see this trade down being nearly as easy as you think

at 9 detroit is going to go huff or possibly davis if he's still there, the guy they want will be there

10 arizona unless they are hot for vernon davis i don't see them trading

11 rams, they need dts

12 cleveland-ngata would be the pick here if you trade down to 12 though i suspect that bunkley and ngata will be gone

so your trade possibilities are 9, 10

I just don't see this viable trade

[Merk]

For those of you who want a trade



Who do you want if we stay at 8 and these 2 are the only options?

[Poz51]

For the past year and a half I've been screaming DT Haloti Ngata's name. I still like him, but in the Cover 2, Broderick Bunkley is the best fit. I'm actually starting to like him as a DT more than Ngata overall too.

[buffan100]

Let me get this straight, it is poor value to get a DT that will be in on every play and getting a CB that will play in the nickel is good value?

Reaching at #8 for players that otherwise would not selected until #12-16 is a poor use of the pick. That wastes a value of at least a 3rd rounder.

Huff or Williams would be likely to go at #9 if not selected by us. We could use a top notch nickel back or new SS anyway. Reaching just to take a DT just because we might be able to start him is a bad use of a pick, unless the Bills plan on getting several consecutive shots at top 10 picks.

[Buffalo13]

If we truely covet Bunkley, then we may very well have to take him at 8. As someone just mentioned, we may not be able to find a trade partner that would allow us to move down and still grab Bunkley. I'm all for gaining extra picks, but if we trade down and they both are taken, then what?

[admarc]

This is a close one for me. Let me start by saying I like both players and think they will have excellent careers, where ever they end up. To be fair, lets look at the two players and for now forget the possibility of a trade down and still getting Bunkley.

Bunkley is a great system fit. He is in great condition right now. He is obviously no stranger to the weight room and must follow a disciplined strength and conditioning regimen. He has incredible upper body strength, quick feet and had a productive career, especially last season where he spent a great deal of time in the opposing teams backfield making plays.

However, I am not convinced he has much room for improvement other than some technique issues. He stands upright firing off the ball and relies on his natural ability a little too much, which won't be enough at the next level. I am a little concerned about how he is put together. It seems he was built for the bench press with average, certainly not short, arms. He seems disproportionately built up top. I would be curious to see him lift with his legs. I am not sure he will play with leverage to take on 350lb nfl guards and centers, especially if double teamed. Sure his role will be to shoot the gap, but if he stands straight up, he is going to be pushed back by a double team. All nfl offensive lineman are big, quick and strong.

Ngata is a man mountain. He is solid from his legs on up. He is not the fattie he has been accused of being. His upper body strength is impressive, but it's his lower body strength that is off the charts. He will not only be able to maintain the point of attack when engaged by blockers, he can power drive most men backwards. He will be unblockable one on one. The x factor is he still has incredible quickness. He has the speed to shoot a gap and plays with great leverage for a big man. The greatest misconception I see on these boards is that ngata is not a good system fit. He is a great system fit. No way he can be blocked one on one so he will likely command 2 blockers, thus freeing up the others on the line. He is quick enough to blow by a guard playing the 3 technique. If he gets past the shoulder, its over. No way a Guard can hook him if he doesn't get great leverage and beat Ngata off the ball. Ngata gives the Bills the ability to use multiple packages to change things up from the base. He can play Nose, shoot the gap or play head up on the guard or center.

The other thing to note is, Ngata is physically still a work in progress. He is a freak of nature with a rare size, strength and quickness ratio. Imagine him once he gets on a pro strength, conditioning and nutritional regiment. He is going to get quicker, stronger and be better conditioned. He was never accused of being unwilling to work and was considered an extremely intelligent hard working high character guy by teamates and coaches. What he has been accused of is wearing down at the end of games after taking on 2 or 3 blockers the whole way. That's correctable with better conditioning.

Bunkley pretty much is at peak condition. He doesn't have the frame to get bigger or stronger than he is right now. For all the talk about how quick and what a great workout Bunkley had, Ngata's 40 time was only 2/10 s of a second slower than Bunkley's, despite carrying 30 extra pounds. If Ngata trims off another 15 pounds, he will pretty much be unstoppable.

I don't see either player as having much risk of being a bust, but for me, its Ngata by a nose because of his greater upside.

[FknGvna]

Ad you just made me thought of something. Some say Bunk is the master of tackles for loss. But how long did it take. Biggin' is a junior And he lost a season. Untapped potential. And damn a workout warrior, Biggin' does it with Brute strength. By a nose, Ngata by 30 pounds.

[gonzo1105]

who cares. Its no use arguing about it There are Ngata lovers and there are Bunkley lovers but no matter who they pick we'll all have to accept it. I think Bunkley is the better player and I think Bunkley will be the better pro, but if we draft Ngata I hope he isn't a bust like I think he'll be.

[Hsker4Life]

I think the poll should have been revised a bit to include who would you pick (out of the two) with the #8 choice. In other words, some might want Bunkley if we move down, but if we were to go with a DT with that 8 pick, they may feel Ngata is the better value. That's where I stand.

If we can move down and be pretty assured of getting Bunkley while adding an additional pick, then I wouldn't mind the selection. If we can't move down, then I want Ngata.

31st against the run...

[FknGvna]

I don't see Bunkley. And this guy works for 'The League.'

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9286579

[BillsCAfan]

Bunkley is better I think. He will be more destructive in the middle than Ngate IMO.

I've seen both play, but I honestly can't say I've seen significant footage of both to really make a comparison.

[Merk]

who cares. Its no use arguing about it There are Ngata lovers and there are Bunkley lovers but no matter who they pick we'll all have to accept it. I think Bunkley is the better player and I think Bunkley will be the better pro, but if we draft Ngata I hope he isn't a bust like I think he'll be.



Apparently you care somewhat since you took the time to post



This whole website is based on people expressing there opinions. If everybody just agreed and accepted stuff this place would suck

[FknGvna]

Lord knows we all can't get along. Go Bills!

[sdolan11]

I saw a LOT of Bunkley . . and the guy is a BIG time player. We'd be lucky to have him . . .but I think 8 would be much too high. Same goes for Ngata, if we are picking DT . . .we better not do it at #8. Period.

[D-Rocafella]

[QUOTE=admarc]This is a close one for me. Let me start by saying I like both players and think they will have excellent careers, where ever they end up. To be fair, lets look at the two players and for now forget the possibility of a trade down and still getting Bunkley.

Bunkley is a great system fit. He is in great condition right now. He is obviously no stranger to the weight room and must follow a disciplined strength and conditioning regimen. He has incredible upper body strength, quick feet and had a productive career, especially last season where he spent a great deal of time in the opposing teams backfield making plays.

However, I am not convinced he has much room for improvement other than some technique issues. He stands upright firing off the ball and relies on his natural ability a little too much, which won't be enough at the next level. I am a little concerned about how he is put together. It seems he was built for the bench press with average, certainly not short, arms. He seems disproportionately built up top. I would be curious to see him lift with his legs. I am not sure he will play with leverage to take on 350lb nfl guards and centers, especially if double teamed. Sure his role will be to shoot the gap, but if he stands straight up, he is going to be pushed back by a double team. All nfl offensive lineman are big, quick and strong.

QUOTE]

Alot of what you have said is exactly what was said about players like Dwight Freeney and Tommie Harris when they came out.

In todays game you need to have as many great athletes on the feild as possible. But the trick is to have ones that can actually play the game. Freeney and Harris are examples of that and I believe Bunkley will follow in that mold.

[treydawg]

I don't see Bunkley. And this guy works for 'The League.'


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9286579


What are you talking about??

There seems to be both quality and depth at this position. For this draft, two players -- Mario Williams (North Carolina State) and Haloti Ngata (Oregon) -- could both be picked in the top 12.

Florida State's Broderick Bunkley, Oklahoma's Dusty Dvoracek, Boston College's Mathias Kiwanuka, Virginia Tech's Darryl Tapp, Michigan's Gabe Watson, Louisiana State's Kyle Williams, Florida State's Kamerion Wimbley, and Texas' Rodrique Wright all worked out well.

[FknGvna]

Trey, I watched the combine. All of it. Bunkley isn't on His list.

[angneli]

If I had to pick I pick neither of them at # 8. I think you can address the lines in Free Agency better

If forced to pick one or the other I'll take Bunkley.

[Zan186]

Wait let me think. Bunkley is a what you see is what you get.
Ngata is an enormous force to reckon with. Bunkley will be a solid DT, Ngata will be a great tackle with potential to have a Bruce Smith impact at his position.
Hands down I want Ngata.
Bench Press doesn't mean anything when you have short arms. Let me see how much they can Squat and that will give you a better indication of their real strength.

[FknGvna]

No contest Period

[Bills&Harley#1]

If it's with the #8 pick, Ngata, hands down. If we decide to move down and get Bunkley AND an extra draft pick, I'm fine with that.

We were 31st against the run last year...'nuff said.

Totally agree!!