Brashear quote

[The REAL Sabres]

He was chasing Kasparaitis all game last week and all Darius did was turtle. Donald got 35 penalty minutes including an ejection and subsequently suspended for it.

His response the the other day, part of why he was suspended, "This game is gay now. You can't even do anything anymore. They changed the game to favor the superstars. You can't do anything anymore to get some respect out there."

This incident, coupled with Cole getting his neck broken (http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=85490) as recent events, continue to prove why the instigator sucks and will continue to ruin the particular aspect of NHL hockey.

Although by using "gay", Brashear throws any credibilty (he doesn't have any anyways) out of the window, which his comments would've conveyed.

[HURLS]

Nothing like a guy whos battled racism to throw a "gay" quote out there. I agree somewhat.

[Iggy72]

Ouch. There's outspoken, and then there's irresponsible. I'm surprised this didn't make bigger news.

I hear you Jeff. I'm much rather have an honourable fight like Peters vs. McGratton than a lot of this other chicken sh*t like this.

Pax.
Iggy72

[Wally]

Just because someone says gay doesn't discount anything. Gay has more meanings than just homosexual.

[gibbons]

kinda humourous actually.

[LALAFONTAINE]

Nothing like a guy whos battled racism to throw a "gay" quote out there. I agree somewhat.

You can't choose your skin color.

You can choose with whom you have sex. If the sex is forced, it's called rape. If you choose to sleep with someone of the same sex, you've made your choice.

[ricogarion]

Were getting away from the sad truth that again Darius K. is running for his life as someone tries to exact revenge.Brashear is right in one thing though long gone are the "Slapshot" days of gloves flying, punchs swinging roughneck hockey.And boy do I miss those open ice hits.

[HURLS]

You can't choose your skin color.

You can choose with whom you have sex. If the sex is forced, it's called rape. If you choose to sleep with someone of the same sex, you've made your choice.


Hey cro-mag. Studies have shown homosexuality is not necessarily a learned trait. Just because you were a quick study doesn't make it science. Brashear should have been more cautious with his words, plain and simple.

[pigpen65]

You can choose with whom you have sex. If the sex is forced, it's called rape. If you choose to sleep with someone of the same sex, you've made your choice.

"If you have to choose to be straight, you are probably gay." Words to live by Lala. Think about it.

[LALAFONTAINE]

Hey cro-mag. Studies have shown homosexuality is not necessarily a learned trait. Just because you were a quick study doesn't make it science. Brashear should have been more cautious with his words, plain and simple.

Aren't you special? At the same time, you whine about someone being negative about gays, and then you try and insult me in the same manner.

I know nobody's chosen to ever have sex with you, but there's a reason for that. It doesn't put that, or anything else that you've failed at, outside the dominion of choice. You have free will. You've chosen to exercise it poorly, but don't try and blame your life on predestination.

Which studies have you read?

http://web.archive.org/web/20040301111514/staffweb.lib.uiowa.edu/ktonella/oob/features/Biology.htm

http://www.guidemag.com/magcontent/invokemagcontent.cfm?ID=C5352D91-2D9E-11D4-A7AD00A0C9D84F02&Method=guidefulldisplay

As usual, any kind of reasoning you do is based on haphazard research that you hear about third- or fourth-hand.

Care to claim that your sloppy reasoning is predetermined as well?

[LALAFONTAINE]

"If you have to choose to be straight, you are probably gay." Words to live by Lala. Think about it.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/wnba/2005-10-26-swoopes_x.htm

"Do I think I was born this way? No," Swoopes reportedly told the magazine.

People who claim something isn't the dominion of choice are simply seeking to be forgiven for the choices they make, whether it is being fat, gay, poor, drunk or stoned.

Sorry, your life is what you make of it.

And if the people you've had sex with haven't chosen to be with you, what does that make you?

[DropTheGloves]

Man Kasper is a P$ssy.

[Pondslider]

Just because someone says gay doesn't discount anything. Gay has more meanings than just homosexual.

1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
4. Given to social pleasures.
5. Dissolute; licentious.


Which meaning fits with this sentence? Which do you honestly think he meant?


Aren't you special? At the same time, you whine about someone being negative about gays, and then you try and insult me in the same manner.

I know nobody's chosen to ever have sex with you, but there's a reason for that. It doesn't put that, or anything else that you've failed at, outside the dominion of choice. You have free will. You've chosen to exercise it poorly, but don't try and blame your life on predestination.

Which studies have you read?

http://web.archive.org/web/200403011...es/Biology.htm

http://www.guidemag.com/magcontent/i...idefulldisplay

As usual, any kind of reasoning you do is based on haphazard research that you hear about third- or fourth-hand.

Care to claim that your sloppy reasoning is predetermined as well?

Your sources are basically someone's blog where they say why they disagree it without any real science to back it up (I won't take anything seriously with a title like "Biology, my ass") and an article that says there might not be a gay gene. That doesn't mean that there isn't a biological explaination just that studies which tried to prove that there is a gay gene have been inconclusive. Also who cares what Sheryl Swoopes thinks? For every Sheryl Swoopes there are more people who say that they were born that way.

[bduff54]

this is more of a political story. Discussing the history of homosexuality is not something we need here.

[DropTheGloves]

I think he meant Gay to mean more like stupid, not literally.

But I could be wrong. He does play for Philly.

[shiva2999]

I agree with Brashear. Hockey IS gay.

[LALAFONTAINE]

1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
4. Given to social pleasures.
5. Dissolute; licentious.


Which meaning fits with this sentence? Which do you honestly think he meant?

Your sources are basically someone's blog where they say why they disagree it without any real science to back it up (I won't take anything seriously with a title like "Biology, my ass") and an article that says there might not be a gay gene. That doesn't mean that there isn't a biological explaination just that studies which tried to prove that there is a gay gene have been inconclusive. Also who cares what Sheryl Swoopes thinks? For every Sheryl Swoopes there are more people who say that they were born that way.

Actually, one of those sources, the one titled "Biology, my ass" is an academic article from a professor.

The second one is a magazine article that notes the invented data the articles you haven't read but adhere to rely on.

Do you claim that alcoholism is a disease too?

[Mouldsie]

lol Shiva

[Woody]

Brashear is gay. There's other ways to gain respect aside from being a thug. :niterider

[Pondslider]

The second one is a magazine article that notes the invented data the articles you haven't read but adhere to rely on.

You can choose to do anything. You're right about that. You can't choose to like it though. There's no gene that explains why people like certain foods and not others either. It doesn't mean that there aren't people who can't eat brussel sprouts while someone else may love them. But of course people choose to be gay in places where they know they will be hated. Beause that makes sense.

[coastal]

Hockey IS gay.
How's that?

Sidenote: Many of the changes I endorsed awhile back were decried as stupid and idiotic...

"They won't fix a thing. They'll actually make things worse! We need the insitgator rule taken out and all will be well in the hockey world."

I kept getting things like this back from the idiots who really don't understand hockey, even though their user names suggest they do.

Now one of their "style" of hockey players comes out of the closet to stigmatize the game with his own latent insecurities.

Too bad he can't play the game the way it was meant to be played...

With skill.

[pmoon6]

I was always a fan of finess hockey. I don't mind seeing a spontaneous fight now and again, but the systematic goon tactics cheapen the sport. The Sabres would already have a Cup if the Flyers didn't use those tactics in '75.

[shiva2999]

How's that?

Oh man, it's soooooo ****ing gay.

Didn't used to be gay. It is now...

http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Howe_Gordie.html

Howe kept going and going and ...
By Larry Schwartz
Special to ESPN.com

"Dad's mind-set on the ice was different than most anybody else I've ever met. He can be cruel. I've seen him be vicious. I've seen him hurt people and I used to think, 'Wow, it's like he meant to do it,' " says Mark Howe about Gordie on ESPN Classic's SportsCentury series.

Durability thy name is Gordie Howe. In his tenure as a professional hockey player, he skated right wing through the presidencies of Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. He outlasted the Energizer bunny, playing for a remarkable 32 years. At 51, when he should have been sipping beer on his front porch, he was still playing a regular shift in the NHL.

Not even more than 300 stitches, damaged knee cartilages, broken ribs, a broken wrist, several broken toes, a dislocated shoulder, an assortment of scalp wounds, a painful ankle injury and a near-brush with death could derail his date with destiny. And to think, growing up he thought he "would have been happy to play just one season."

...and...

Howe had a thick neck, sloping shoulders and exceptionally strong wrists. In his time - since it was such a long time let's narrow it to the decades of the fifties and sixties - he was described by coaches as the smartest player, the finest passer, the best playmaker and the ablest puck carrier in the game. The 6-foot, 204-pound Howe also was tough and aggressive, earning the nickname "Mr. Elbows."

"Despite an even temperament and a real distaste for combat, there is a part of Howe that is calculatingly and primitively savage," Mark Kram wrote in Sports Illustrated in 1964. "He is a punishing artist with a hockey stick, slashing, spearing, tripping and high-sticking his way to a comparative degree of solitude on the ice." Of his numerous fights, Howe's bout with Lou Fontinato on Feb. 1, 1959 was the most memorable. The Rangers' tough guy suffered a broken nose and his entire face needed considerable repair.

...more...

I blame Mike Bossy and Wayne Gretzky for turning the game gay.

[shiva2999]

I was always a fan of finess hockey. I don't mind seeing a spontaneous fight now and again, but the systematic goon tactics cheapen the sport. The Sabres would already have a Cup if the Flyers didn't use those tactics in '75.

Finesse hockey is completely gay. Might as well play ringette.

[ticatfan3]

Finesse hockey is completely gay. Might as well play ringette.Well said,shiv.

[pmoon6]

Montreal was a finesse team back in the day. I'm not talking about no checking, no hitting, I'm talking about not taking runs at players to get them out of the game, using the lumber and tactics that are illegal anyway. When you send a no talent player like Dave Schultz out to take a run at Bobby Orr so they both go out with fighting majors and 10 minute misconducts, that doesn't seem quite right to me. In the end, it's your sport, play it the way you want.

[coastal]

Just because I endorse a fighting ban, doesn't mean I think everyone that plays the game should be a pussy. I'm not even the one who brought "finesse hockey" into this.

I for one hate Wayne Gretzky. I think he was and is terrible for the game of hockey.

I also see absolutely no need for goons who have no skill other than being a goon.

Anyone with a brain can see the distinction between a goon like Rob Ray and a hockey player like Gordie Howe.

So quit pretending that one has anything to do with the other.

[shiva2999]

Montreal was a finesse team back in the day. I'm not talking about no checking, no hitting, I'm talking about not taking runs at players to get them out of the game, using the lumber and tactics that are illegal anyway.

Did you read the Gordie Howe story?

And my favorite hockey series ever was Leafs/Flyers 76.

[shiva2999]

Just because I endorse a fighting ban, doesn't mean I think everyone that plays the game should be a pussy. I'm not even the one who brought "finesse hockey" into this.

I for one hate Wayne Gretzky. I think he was and is terrible for the game of hockey.

I also see absolutely no need for goons who have no skill other than being a goon.

Anyone with a brain can see the distinction between a goon like Rob Ray and a hockey player like Gordie Howe.

So quit pretending that one has anything to do with the other.

Are you talking to me because if you are I don't see where I champion goons or want any on my team.

The reason the Broad Street Bullies were successful was they intimidated the referees and took advantage of their desire to "even up" the penalties.

But hockey is more than just figure skating with sticks.

You need to fight for your space, you can't expect the league to legislate it.

And goalies that leave their crease should be treated like any other player.

[coastal]

Are you talking to me because if you are I don't see where I champion goons or want any on my team.

The reason the Broad Street Bullies were successful was they intimidated the referees and took advantage of their desire to "even up" the penalties.

But hockey is more than just figure skating with sticks.

You need to fight for your space, you can't expect the league to legislate it.

And goalies that leave their crease should be treated like any other player.
Of course I'm talking to you.

You said hockey was gay. I said it wasn't.

You cited Gordie Howe as your example of olde time hockey.

I'm just pointing out that there is a difference between players like Howe and Donald B.

I for one know its not figure skating with sticks. I played and refed the game for a total of 14 years of my life.

Where I differ with you and others is that the league has no power to legislate the product on the ice.

I couldn't disagree more, but it also doesn't mean I agree with every piece of legislation they throw out there.

For example, I am total agreement with you that if a goalie is out of his crease, then he is very fair game for getting smoked.

Hockey should be the greatest live contact spectator sport out there. Intimidation can even be part of that whole process.

Fighting is where I draw the line though. It has no palce in my game. It adds nothing to it. In fact, it demeans the game.

[pmoon6]

Did you read the Gordie Howe story?

And my favorite hockey series ever was Leafs/Flyers 76.I went back and read the Howe story, but I already knew about him and his roughouse style of play. Another thing Howe used to do was put a slice in the palms of his gloves, that way he could grab without looking like he was holding, but Gordie did everything well, not just the rough stuff. I don't like them legislating fighting or rough physical play out of the sport, but after guys are maimed with sticks, the league has to do something. Like I tried to say before, the game can't be just about goon squads it has to be about every facet.

I remember some of those Leaf teams, Darryl Sittler, Davey Keon, Borje Salming and weren't Plante and Parent the goaltending duo before Bernie got traded to Philly?

[shiva2999]

Of course I'm talking to you.

You said hockey was gay. I said it wasn't.

You cited Gordie Howe as your example of olde time hockey.

I'm just pointing out that there is a difference between players like Howe and Donald B.

I for one know its not figure skating with sticks. I played and refed the game for a total of 14 years of my life.

Where I differ with you and others is that the league has no power to legislate the product on the ice.

I couldn't disagree more, but it also doesn't mean I agree with every piece of legislation they throw out there.

For example, I am total agreement with you that if a goalie is out of his crease, then he is very fair game for getting smoked.

Hockey should be the greatest live contact spectator sport out there. Intimidation can even be part of that whole process.

Fighting is where I draw the line though. It has no palce in my game. It adds nothing to it. In fact, it demeans the game.

God, did you play in the Metrosexual League?

I donated a bunch of my teeth to hockey. Have you?

Here's to the greatest spectacle in sports, the bench clearing brawl!:uglyhammer:

[TRIPLE P]

Here's to the greatest spectacle in sports, the bench clearing brawl!:uglyhammer:


Goalie fights :rockon:

[coastal]

God, did you play in the Metrosexual League?

I donated a bunch of my teeth to hockey. Have you?

Here's to the greatest spectacle in sports, the bench clearing brawl!:uglyhammer:
LOL! I got all my own teeth thanks.

Even still got one of my original baby teeth in my mouth.

But that doesn't mean I didn't bring my toys on the road with me...

http://www.slap-shot.com/slot.JPG

[Meathead]

I was always a fan of finess hockey. I don't mind seeing a spontaneous fight now and again, but the systematic goon tactics cheapen the sport. The Sabres would already have a Cup if the Flyers didn't use those tactics in '75.
me 3

[Meathead]

Goalie fights :rockon:
me 3

[dasaybz]

God, did you play in the Metrosexual League?

I donated a bunch of my teeth to hockey. Have you?

Here's to the greatest spectacle in sports, the bench clearing brawl!:uglyhammer:
Just because you had no skill and had to cheap shot every player does not mean you were a good hockey player shiva. The game actually does take some skill. If you wanted to see boxing on ice, why don't you watch some junior leagues.
You can't make a blanket statement like hockey is gay. If you mean the NHL is gay, then say it, but saying hockey is gay is like saying all women are hot. It's just not true.

[shiva2999]

Thank goodness someone finally removed this gay hockey crap from PR&S.

Let the figure skaters and girly-men discuss it here.

[bduff54]

Lala has said it a million times and he is right. The instigator needs to go.

[pigpen65]

But that doesn't mean I didn't bring my toys on the road with me...

haha. "Got the foil coach"

[shiva2999]

Lala has said it a million times and he is right. The instigator needs to go.

Third man in needs to go too.

[Soviet_Canuckastani]

He could have meant that the game is alot "happier" now.

[Papaduke]

Lala has said it a million times and he is right. The instigator needs to go.
*spits drink on computer screen* OMFG, I think thats one of the signs of the apocalpse... time to go get right with the lord.

[Hockeystud1414]

He was chasing Kasparaitis all game last week and all Darius did was turtle. Donald got 35 penalty minutes including an ejection and subsequently suspended for it.

His response the the other day, part of why he was suspended, "This game is gay now. You can't even do anything anymore. They changed the game to favor the superstars. You can't do anything anymore to get some respect out there."

This incident, coupled with Cole getting his neck broken (http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=85490) as recent events, continue to prove why the instigator sucks and will continue to ruin the particular aspect of NHL hockey.

Although by using "gay", Brashear throws any credibilty (he doesn't have any anyways) out of the window, which his comments would've conveyed. Why not use gay? this game is getting built for homosexuals now anyways...That instigator really hurts the game. And now with nick boyton pulling the shit in tonight's game, and other incidents, it makes you realize how valuable peters really is and Gary Bettman needs to take his head out of his ass and take that damn rule away.

[LALAFONTAINE]

You can choose to do anything. You're right about that. You can't choose to like it though. There's no gene that explains why people like certain foods and not others either. It doesn't mean that there aren't people who can't eat brussel sprouts while someone else may love them. But of course people choose to be gay in places where they know they will be hated. Beause that makes sense.

The same reason some freaks get tattoos and piercings all over their face too.