Its Official!!!

[adporter59]

With the 8th overall pick in the 2006 NFL draft the Buffalo Bills select Vernon Davis, the tight end from Maryland!

I think that would be a GREAT MOVE! BIG target for J.P. or whoever is throwing the ball! Think about what Good TE who can stretch the field do with your passing game as well as your running game! SD, GATES, LT KC, Gonzellas, LJ, NYG, Shockey, Tiki.

I'm all for letting MOULDS go if we are able to get VERNON DAVIS
Try and pick up 2 OL in free angency and work the DRAFT!

[TheAnswer74]

Vernon Davis is to TE as Reggie Bush is to RB.

[CBennett]

I sure hope not that would be a big WASTE of the #8 overall...id trade down a few and get him..he won't be gone yet and we could pick up a pick or 2

[FinNasty]

I sure hope not that would be a big WASTE of the #8 overall...id trade down a few and get him..he won't be gone yet and we could pick up a pick or 2

He might not even make it to you at 8... San Fran might grab him at 6...

[TheAnswer74]

I sure hope not that would be a big WASTE of the #8 overall...id trade down a few and get him..he won't be gone yet and we could pick up a pick or 2

Explain why that would be a waste?

Our problems...

Run blocking, He run blocks very well.

Red Zone scoring, He is a huge target in Redzone.

TE, Campbell was released.

Offensive weapon that creates matchup problems, he would be our only one.

[GSWJ23RICHARDSON]

If we don't address the GAPING HOLE in the middle of the D-line before the draft, im siding with Ngata, and of course Mario if he's there

[Mouldsie]

Vernon Davis is to TE as Reggie Bush is to RB.
Is that on the Wonderlic?

[adporter59]

He might not last to 8 He is a freak of nature

[adporter59]

Explain why that would be a waste?

Our problems...

Run blocking, He run blocks very well.

Red Zone scoring, He is a huge target in Redzone.

TE, Campbell was released.

Offensive weapon that creates matchup problems, he would be our only one.


YOU PUT IT BEST!!! WE CAN ADDRESS DL IN FREE AGENCY I CAN'T REMEBER THE LAST DT DRAFTED THAT MADE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT!

[imissandrereed]

Explain why that would be a waste?

Our problems...

Run blocking, He run blocks very well.

Red Zone scoring, He is a huge target in Redzone.

TE, Campbell was released.

Offensive weapon that creates matchup problems, he would be our only one.


Justify the drafting of Everett the year before?? you havn't even seen him play. YOu want run blocking, get an O-lineman! As your O-line goes so to goes your Red Zone Scoring. TE is not a good way to go in the first round if your the Buffalo Bills.

[mjjk73]

well with the guys let go today it fits into all the different mocks ive seen with the bills taking Nata,m Huff or Davis so let the speculation begin

[GvilleBill]

The reality of it all is that our draft is murky at best until we get an idea what's going down in FA. Whichever spots haven't been strongly addressed are likely what's being focused on draft day.

[TRIPLE P]

The reality of it all is that our draft is murky at best until we get an idea what's going down in FA. Whichever spots haven't been strongly addressed are likely what's being focused on draft day.


For sure...

The same can be said for they teams that pick before us...

[two4trippn]

Hell why not draft a P at #8. If its not Ngata, trade down and fill the holes quickly. Our last top 10 pick turned out NOT to be a franchise player, make this one count. A TE for this club in the top 10 is ridiculous - see Kellen Winslow.

[TRIPLE P]

Hell why not draft a P at #8. If its not Ngata, trade down and fill the holes quickly. Our last top 10 pick turned out NOT to be a franchise player, make this one count. A TE for this club in the top 10 is ridiculous - see Kellen Winslow.

If its not Ngata?!?!

Why...why is he such a "sure thing" ?

What if Mario Williams falls?...or Ferguson?....or even Hawk.


If we take Ngata I'll disagree, but he could turn out great..... but he's as far from a sure thing as ANYONE....

I once in a few years player like Davis, Huff, Ferguson, or Hawk can change your team for years to come...

You want a DT at the 8th pick in the first round, we just cut him....

give me someone to give this team an identity.

[TheAnswer74]

If its not Ngata?!?!

Why...why is he such a "sure thing" ?

What if Mario Williams falls?...or Ferguson?....or even Hawk.


If we take Ngata I'll disagree, but he could turn out great..... but he's as far from a sure thing as ANYONE....

I once in a few years player like Davis, Huff, Ferguson, or Hawk can change your team for years to come...

You want a DT at the 8th pick in the first round, we just cut him....

give me someone to give this team an identity.

Mario Williams, Huff, Brick, and Hawk are all players that could be top 3 at their position IMO. All of these players would be amazing if we can draft one.

I was against Brick, but man, after seeing an interview with him and the fact that he put on 20lbs has changed my mind. He now 312lbs.

I think Houston is going to trade down and draft him though.

[DropTheGloves]

Did we all forget about Everett? I'm kinda excited to see what he can do. Draft Defense in the first round.

[BUFFALOBILLS2692]

I think we should only get Vernon Davis if we get OL's and DL's in Free agency

[BUFFALOBILLS2692]

Did we all forget about Everett? I'm kinda excited to see what he can do. Draft Defense in the first round.

That too what are we going to do with Kevin Everett?

[coastal]

Vernon Davis or Bunkley at the 8 spot.

Trade down for Hali or Mangold.

[TRIPLE P]

Vernon Davis or Bunkley at the 8 spot.

Trade down for Hali or Mangold.


Nice sig coastal.....

I like the 5th rounder...thats how you find a qb of the future.... instead of taking a big financial chance and making a solid commitment to playing a early round QB take a chance every year or so in rounds 3-7... no commitment

[mighty peace warrior]

coastal i dig your sig. did you make that?

[coastal]

Nice sig coastal.....

I like the 5th rounder...thats how you find a qb of the future.... instead of taking a big financial chance and making a solid commitment to playing a early round QB take a chance every year or so in rounds 3-7... no commitment
I'd cream if this ended up being our draft. Three new starters on our oline to go with our new left tackle Peters.

throw Vernon in there with JP, Willis, and Evans....

who gives a shit about D at that point.

It would at least be fun to watch.

[coastal]

coastal i dig your sig. did you make that?
my basic idea, wagon did all the work though.

Imagine wagon helping out coastal!?

Wierd!

[TRIPLE P]

It would at least be fun to watch.


yeah...

we are rebuilding... but we've got alot of the pieces...

The D can wait, FA will help...

but what better way for a young offensive team to learn to play than shootouts and comebacks.....(i'm not joking)

[str8blazzen]

pats had TE graham and still drafted watson :P


why cant we have evertt who we dont know what he can do and draft davis???whats the big deal about taking a TE look what gates did yo SD

[FknGvna]

YOU PUT IT BEST!!! WE CAN ADDRESS DL IN FREE AGENCY I CAN'T REMEBER THE LAST DT DRAFTED THAT MADE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT!
Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Marcus Stroud, John Henderson, TOMMIE HARRIS.

[SHINEdown30]

Explain why that would be a waste?

Our problems...

Run blocking, He run blocks very well.

Red Zone scoring, He is a huge target in Redzone.

TE, Campbell was released.

Offensive weapon that creates matchup problems, he would be our only one.

too many holes in our lines!!!!

[coastal]

too many holes in our lines!!!!
ahem.

[Merk]

If Williams or D'Brick is not there, no way we should pass on Davis. He has a chance to be the R.Moss of TE's.

The matchup problems this kid will give a defense are going to be unreal

Dont think of it as the Bills drafting a TE. Think of it as the Bills drafting a playmaker and that is somthing Bills are in Def need of

[TheAnswer74]

too many holes in our lines!!!!

Well, the draft isnt until the end of April, so hopefully we sign some lineman.

The way i see it, we need 3 interior offensive lineman and 2 DT's.

I think we can draft 2nd and 3rd round for OG's and hopefully sign a couple DT's that fit what we want to do. Lucky for us, there are about 6 or 7 mid priced guys that fit the style we want to run.

[Junior]

Is that on the Wonderlic?


If it was i bet Vince Young would get it wrong

[pabstman]

YOU PUT IT BEST!!! WE CAN ADDRESS DL IN FREE AGENCY I CAN'T REMEBER THE LAST DT DRAFTED THAT MADE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT!

If that's your logic, tell me the last TE to make a huge impact his first year.

[The U]

I gotta admit i like the sound of JP Lee and Vernon but i can't see us not takiing Huff with out a SS

[TheAnswer74]

If that's your logic, tell me the last TE to make a huge impact his first year.

Heath miller and Shockey.

If you count 2nd year, then there are a bunch.

[pabstman]

Please tell me you guys are joking about drafting a TE. He may be a match-up problem for D but this guys weekness (according to the "experts") is run blocking.
What good dose a WR threat do you if your QB dosn't have time to throw?
Right now I'm going to add up all of the Super Bowl rings that Gates, Shockey, and Gonzale's have.
Fix the LINES!!!!

[TheAnswer74]

Please tell me you guys are joking about drafting a TE. He may be a match-up problem for D but this guys weekness (according to the "experts") is run blocking.
What good dose a WR threat do you if your QB dosn't have time to throw?
Right now I'm going to add up all of the Super Bowl rings that Gates, Shockey, and Gonzale's have.
Fix the LINES!!!!

He is better than most TE's at blocking. He has hunger for it.

Well, Im going to add up all the rings the best OL in football over the last 5 years has, it came to 0.

[pabstman]

Heath miller and Shockey.

If you count 2nd year, then there are a bunch.

Heat Miller? The Steelers were 13-2 the year before he got there. They won the Super Bowl last year, but he's not the guy who put them over the top, he looks like he's going to be good though, but not a huge impact.

Shockey 2002 - 2 TD's
2003 - 2 TD's

Your right he made a huge impact if all you did was watch sports center to see the highlights.

[coastal]

We need a right tackle. Runyan might be the guy in free agency or we could draft someone to start in round two or both.

[TheAnswer74]

Heat Miller? The Steelers were 13-2 the year before he got there. They won the Super Bowl last year, but he's not the guy who put them over the top, he looks like he's going to be good though, but not a huge impact.

Shockey 2002 - 2 TD's
2003 - 2 TD's

Your right he made a huge impact if all you did was watch sports center to see the highlights.

74 catches as a rookie is pretty good.

And Miller had 6 TD's as a rookie.

[pabstman]

He is better than most TE's at blocking. He has hunger for it.

He may be, I don't know. All I'm saying is that when you read about him some say that his blocking is a liability. Regardless, TE, as underused as they may be, don't make a big enough impact to draft with the 8 pick. Not when your OL can't run or pass block, and your DL can't stop the run.

[Merk]

Please tell me you guys are joking about drafting a TE. He may be a match-up problem for D but this guys weekness (according to the "experts") is run blocking.
What good dose a WR threat do you if your QB dosn't have time to throw?
Right now I'm going to add up all of the Super Bowl rings that Gates, Shockey, and Gonzale's have.
Fix the LINES!!!!


How does picking Davis = not fixing the lines?

We have 3 other first day draft picks after our 1st and 7 all together to address the lines

Not to mention FA'cy to address the lines

Davis is just one pick

[The U]

You need to be able to run the ball to get it to your TE!

[TheAnswer74]

You need to be able to run the ball to get it to your TE!

Who covers a TE? The SS and a LB right? If you have a TE that makes defenses fear him, that LB 1st worry is making sure the TE doesnt get off the line clean. He is worried more about hitting the TE then stopping the run.

The S also is worried about getting beat by the TE, more than stopping the run.

It all works together. You have a TE that can do the things Davis can, the LB's and SS cant put all their attention on stopping the run.

[pabstman]

Two things, your QB can't throw if he's on his #$!, and or D will be on the field all day if we can't stop the run. Noone is saying that this kid won't be a weapon or good player. Look at the 40 Super Bowl winners, (that's where we want to be), and tell me how many of them drafted a TE when they had a top 10 pick. You win the game in the trenches, not with weapons lining up at TE. You can find decent TE play later in the draft. If we didn't have so many holes to fill maybe you could do it, even if we strike gold in FA we will have a lot of needs.

[TigerJ]

Davis is now a top ten pick. Any trade down would put him out of reach. I certainly don't think he has to be Buffalo's pick. It sure would be fun though watching a LB who runs a 4.7 40 trying to keep up with him, or a 210 lb safety trying to keep from getting trampled by him. There are a few big, fast safeties (Roy Williams) and ultra fast linebackers (Brian Urlacher) that would not match up too badly with him, but not many.

[GvilleBill]

He may be, I don't know. All I'm saying is that when you read about him some say that his blocking is a liability. Regardless, TE, as underused as they may be, don't make a big enough impact to draft with the 8 pick. Not when your OL can't run or pass block, and your DL can't stop the run.
I think they say that b/c the guy has to have some weakness. He was knocked for his size and blew that out w/ measuring 6'3. I don't want to draft him either, but the kid is freaky gifted.

[adporter59]

Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, Marcus Stroud, John Henderson, TOMMIE HARRIS.


Out of that bunch how many pro bowls can you count?

DAVIS is a player that you don't want to pass up! IF and WHEN we lose MOULDS Sweet LEE can't hold it down by himself in the passing game!

I like Everett and thinks he has UPSIDE , but we all know when you come from the U, you might be a little injury prone!

[TheAnswer74]

Two things, your QB can't throw if he's on his #$!, and or D will be on the field all day if we can't stop the run. Noone is saying that this kid won't be a weapon or good player. Look at the 40 Super Bowl winners, (that's where we want to be), and tell me how many of them drafted a TE when they had a top 10 pick. You win the game in the trenches, not with weapons lining up at TE. You can find decent TE play later in the draft. If we didn't have so many holes to fill maybe you could do it, even if we strike gold in FA we will have a lot of needs.

Well, your not getting an offensive lineman at pick #8.

As for DT, Ide rather get Rocky Bernard, Ryan Pickett, Kenrick Clancy, Larry Tripplet, or Chris Hovan.

On the OL, there are great OG prospects in the 2nd and 3rd round.

When you have a chance to draft a special player like Davis or Huff, you have to.

Let me just add, No TE in the History of the game had workout #'s like Davis, and the guy also had great production on the field.

I dont know what more you want.

IMO, he will probably be a top 7 pick and we wont have a shot, but that should push another one of these special players to us.

IMO, Bush, Mario Williams, Brick, Leinhart, Hawk, Huff, Davis, or Vince Young are special players. If we get a chance to draft one, which we will, we better.

[Later]

Enough with the sexy picks. TD did too many of those, and got (justifiably) criticized for it. Bottom line is we need to fix the lines, especially on the interior of both. I know #8 is just one pick, but if you have a chance to shore up one of our biggest needs with that pick then I don't know how you can pass it up. I understand the "best player available" mentality, but I think this team has too many obvious holes to waste it on a "matchup problem"--no matter how freakishly gifted he may be.

[Later]

Btw, after cutting Milloy, I consider Huff as a perfectly fine need pick

[B-loCrew]

At this point I would not be opposed to taking Davis or Huff over Haloti.
I don't think it is a bad thing to draft Davis, Everett has only proven to be injury prone just like college. If Everett turns out to be a player like he was suppose to be then we will have a mean double TE set.

[TheAnswer74]

Enough with the sexy picks. TD did too many of those, and got (justifiably) criticized for it. Bottom line is we need to fix the lines, especially on the interior of both. I know #8 is just one pick, but if you have a chance to shore up one of our biggest needs with that pick then I don't know how you can pass it up. I understand the "best player available" mentality, but I think this team has too many obvious holes to waste it on a "matchup problem"--no matter how freakishly gifted he may be.

To many holes exactly.

The lines need help, but TE and SS is a hole. and there could be a potential star at these position siting there for us.

The only pick that would be a "sexy" pick would be Reggie Bush, Matt Lienart or Vince Young.

I really dont get some peoples points. We just released a player we drafted #4 overall because he was a need player. It was 50/50 between him and McKinney, niether deserving of a top 5 pick, but we took the OT because he fit a need instead of taking the potential star SS Roy Williams.

If Huff or Davis, or the other potential stars fall to us, we have to draft that guy.

Fill needs in free agency, draft a star if you have the opportunity. Huff and Davis would not be available at pick #8 in any other draft, and they actually still might not be, but that means another one of the star players will fall.

There are 8 of them, we better get one.

[GvilleBill]

I know Huff can play anywhere in the secondary, but don't you think his skills lend themselves better to FS?

[Purple Haze]

Vernon Davis is to TE as Reggie Bush is to RB.

What he said.

[Purple Haze]

He may be, I don't know. All I'm saying is that when you read about him some say that his blocking is a liability. Regardless, TE, as underused as they may be, don't make a big enough impact to draft with the 8 pick. Not when your OL can't run or pass block, and your DL can't stop the run.

Don't listen to that garbage. I saw MD play quite a bit. Davis can block and does block hard. They always have to give a negative on every player. Even Reggie Bush has a knock on him. Davis is a stud, my friend. No ifs and or buts. AND he's got a good attitude.

[TheAnswer74]

Don't listen to that garbage. I saw MD play quite a bit. Davis can block and does block hard. They always have to give a negative on every player. Even Reggie Bush has a knock on him. Davis is a stud, my friend. No ifs and or buts. AND he's got a good attitude.

I never take workouts over production. Veron Davis has the production and has the workouts. He is the most physically gifted TE in NFL history, plus he is actually really really really good at playing TE.

He ran a faster 40 than Lee Evans and weighs 255lbs.

He loves blocking, he says he has a passion for it.

A TE like him will help our Offensive line and overall performance of the offense.

[Bufsabresnu]

It is all going to depend on who we get in FA. If we get a couple of linemen on either side of the ball, then I would say it is possible to draft Davis or Huff. Either one would be fun to watch playing for the Bills.

Answer "IMO, Bush, Mario Williams, Brick, Leinhart, Hawk, Huff, Davis, or Vince Young are special players. If we get a chance to draft one, which we will, we better."
Well we don't need another high priced QB or RB so that takes the number down to 5. It is still possible that one of those five will be there when we draft and it would be hard to pass on Davis or Huff, but like I said it will all depend on who we get in FA.

[Later]

I really dont get some peoples points. We just released a player we drafted #4 overall because he was a need player. It was 50/50 between him and McKinney, niether deserving of a top 5 pick, but we took the OT because he fit a need instead of taking the potential star SS Roy Williams.

You may disagree with my point, but I do think you understand my point. I think MW is a bad example, as virtually everyone at the time--fans and "experts" alike--agreed with the pick. I guess it all just comes to whether or not you value primary needs or best player available more. In your opinion, we need to take the once-in-a-(long time) player because there are so many good athletes in this draft that one of them has to fall to us at #8, a real steal. And I'm almost convinced, because believe me, I would love to see VD suit up for us and put fear into opposing D's like no one really has since who, Andre Reed? But I still think that we really need to fix the lines, and I have to stand by that. If we do draft VD, then I sure as hell hope we draft all those supposedly "great" interior linemen who are supposed to be around in the 2nd and third rounds.

[Later]

It is all going to depend on who we get in FA. If we get a couple of linemen on either side of the ball, then I would say it is possible to draft Davis or Huff. Either one would be fun to watch playing for the Bills.

Absolutely true. And if we do sign a couple of solid linemen to at least give us some sort of solid foundation in our interior lines, then I will rescind my objection completely and say yes, go ahead and draft Davis or Huff, if they're there. Good point.

[TheAnswer74]

You may disagree with my point, but I do think you understand my point. I think MW is a bad example, as virtually everyone at the time--fans and "experts" alike--agreed with the pick. I guess it all just comes to whether or not you value primary needs or best player available more. In your opinion, we need to take the once-in-a-(long time) player because there are so many good athletes in this draft that one of them has to fall to us at #8, a real steal. And I'm almost convinced, because believe me, I would love to see VD suit up for us and put fear into opposing D's like no one really has since who, Andre Reed? But I still think that we really need to fix the lines, and I have to stand by that. If we do draft VD, then I sure as hell hope we draft all those supposedly "great" interior linemen who are supposed to be around in the 2nd and third rounds.

What your not understandting is that a TE is a NEED for this team. I did not think Campbell would get released.

Yeah the Lines are a need also, but why draft Ngata or Bunkley, which are the only lineman on either side that would be there at 8, when you could draft the best TE prospect ever?

I just dont get it, especially when we need a TE now.

If Davis goes in the top 7, there is a strong chance DE Mario Williams falls to 8, which again, one the best DE prospects ever.

We would be extremely lucky to have a chance to draft Davis or Williams.

[two4trippn]

Miller and Shockey had much more around them - mainly franchise QBs and pro bowl running backs.
Drafting #8 is a great spot to move down, maybe to 14 or 15. If the Bills could acquire a later 1st rder and an extra 2nd rder, needs could be addressed with 5 picks in the 1st 3 rds like the Pats have done over the years.

[section101]

Yes... let's go out and spend another high pick on a TE. Oh.. and pay him a huge bonus at that. You've gotta be freakin kidding me. With all the needs on this team, you actually think a TE is going to make a world of difference? They didn't even throw to the TE last year, and I don't remember St Louis using their all that much either, so where're you going with that? Wish Lists are one thing, but at least be a little smart about it. Who's going to give the QB time to throw to this stud TE, or are you going to have him run 3 yd patterns? And what do you do with last year's #2 Everitt? You want to go high...then go out and get Mario Williams or D'Brick. And..to the guys who think Ngata is just a fatass, you obviously didnt see him at the combine on the NFL Network. Williams, D'Brick, Ngata.. or trade down a few spots are, IMO, the only viable options.
BTW, how many SB's do Gonz and Gates have between them? Notice that NE has always had that STUD TE... NOT. Like I even remember who it was in their first SB win. Def wins SB's. Always has, always will. Some people need to get a clue... or keep the 12 year olds away from the computers.

[adporter59]

Yes... let's go out and spend another high pick on a TE. Oh.. and pay him a huge bonus at that. You've gotta be freakin kidding me. With all the needs on this team, you actually think a TE is going to make a world of difference? They didn't even throw to the TE last year, and I don't remember St Louis using their all that much either, so where're you going with that? Wish Lists are one thing, but at least be a little smart about it. Who's going to give the QB time to throw to this stud TE, or are you going to have him run 3 yd patterns? And what do you do with last year's #2 Everitt? You want to go high...then go out and get Mario Williams or D'Brick. And..to the guys who think Ngata is just a fatass, you obviously didnt see him at the combine on the NFL Network. Williams, D'Brick, Ngata.. or trade down a few spots are, IMO, the only viable options.
BTW, how many SB's do Gonz and Gates have between them? Notice that NE has always had that STUD TE... NOT. Like I even remember who it was in their first SB win. Def wins SB's. Always has, always will. Some people need to get a clue... or keep the 12 year olds away from the computers.


FREE AGENTS!!!
I would rather get an OL in Free agency then to draft one! DAVIS is a once in a blue moon type of player, if he is there we need to take advantage of it. I know we need interior help on both sides of the line, thats why you take care of that in free agency. By the way DAVIS is a GREAT BLOCKER. Who are we going to throw the ball to LEE EVANS all game. MOULDS is going to get cut so now we have another spot we need to fill. LOOK at our OFFENSE we have Willis and Evans and thats IT!

[two4trippn]

Free agent WRs are available too you know. I'd be more concerned with a general on offense instead of infantry troops.

[mighty peace warrior]

the best TE prospect EVER... please

[GvilleBill]

the best TE prospect EVER... please
Just out of curiousity, who do you think was the best?

[GvilleBill]

I say drop down, gain picks, and go Bunk wild in the first. If that didn't go down then I would be much happier w/ Davis than Huff. Am I the only one that sees Huff as more FS than SS?

[treydawg]

To many holes exactly.

The lines need help, but TE and SS is a hole. and there could be a potential star at these position siting there for us.

The only pick that would be a "sexy" pick would be Reggie Bush, Matt Lienart or Vince Young.

I really dont get some peoples points. We just released a player we drafted #4 overall because he was a need player. It was 50/50 between him and McKinney, niether deserving of a top 5 pick, but we took the OT because he fit a need instead of taking the potential star SS Roy Williams.

If Huff or Davis, or the other potential stars fall to us, we have to draft that guy.

Fill needs in free agency, draft a star if you have the opportunity. Huff and Davis would not be available at pick #8 in any other draft, and they actually still might not be, but that means another one of the star players will fall.

There are 8 of them, we better get one.


Really good post. That might of sold me on Davis. I really wish Everett never got injured. That ****ed us.

[Later]

What your not understandting is that a TE is a NEED for this team. I did not think Campbell would get released.

Yeah the Lines are a need also, but why draft Ngata or Bunkley, which are the only lineman on either side that would be there at 8, when you could draft the best TE prospect ever?

I just dont get it, especially when we need a TE now.

If Davis goes in the top 7, there is a strong chance DE Mario Williams falls to 8, which again, one the best DE prospects ever.

We would be extremely lucky to have a chance to draft Davis or Williams.

I do understand that it's a need. But I still think it's not a primary need with the holes in the lines, which are the foundation for a good football team. Of course we NEED a TE--we just cut our starter (who didn't do much anyway), and our pick last year was hurt all year. But I don't think drafting VD will help us create a solid foundation--UNLESS we sign solid linemen on both sides of the ball in FA first.

[bcw]

People keep saying that we just drafted a te in the 3rd round last year. I hope they aren't suggesting that either Everett or Euhus are going into the season as our starting tight end. TE is a need and if the right one is there you take him.

Justice is the 2nd best o-lineman in the draft and he doesn't appear to be a top 10 pick. Ngata might not be the ideal fit for our system and the DT that does fit, Bunkley, is a reach at #8.

Unless Brick, Williams or Hawk fall it looks like our pick comes down to Davis or Huff, either of which I would be very happy with. We can fill other needs later in the draft and free agency. I don't want to miss on a star because we were filling a need. I've changed my mind on the draft a number of times over the past month but it comes down to getting the right guy in the end and you can't pass someone up just because you need another position.

[Peacec]

Didn't really feel like going through the rest of the thread to see if this was posted so forgive me if it has been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq5g7O9YvwQ&search=Vernon%20Davis

I'm not against drafting this guy.

[Mouldsie]

wow

[TheAnswer74]

wow

Yeah, how would that guy help us? :rolleyes2

[treydawg]

He almost knocked that guy holding the pad on his ass lol.

[pabstman]

So now VD and MW are being called two of the best prospects ever at their positions?
If your one of the best prospects ever your not going to be around at number 8. I thougth Kelen Winslow was the greatest TE prospect ever?
MW is only rated as the best DE because there is noone else. If you watched NC State at all the last two years, and we get plenty of the Wolf Pack in Charlotte, MW was dominate at times, but never consistently. He's and athlete, I'm not going to take that away, but he's no Julius Peppers.

[pabstman]

[QUOTE=TheAnswer74]
Let me just add, No TE in the History of the game had workout #'s like Davis, and the guy also had great production on the field.

Mike Mamula had the greatest workout in the history of the combined for a DL. Remind me again how that worked out.
VD may be good but NC States record the season's he was there just makes my point even more. TE are not consistant difference makers, not trying to palyer hate I'm just saying. We need to be good on D and good on the O-line to win. A TE would help, I'm just not comfortable drafting one at 8. Give me one example of a TE who makes that much of a difference. Don't give me Gates because the guy was drafted in the 7 rd, or was he a free agent (I'm not sure).
I agree with you on the Huff, he could be special and we have a need.

[TheAnswer74]

So now VD and MW are being called two of the best prospects ever at their positions?
If your one of the best prospects ever your not going to be around at number 8. I thougth Kelen Winslow was the greatest TE prospect ever?
MW is only rated as the best DE because there is noone else. If you watched NC State at all the last two years, and we get plenty of the Wolf Pack in Charlotte, MW was dominate at times, but never consistently. He's and athlete, I'm not going to take that away, but he's no Julius Peppers.

By me they are.

Winslow was the best TE prospect ever at the time, and Davis blows Winslow away.

As for Mario, Ive never seen a guy of Mario Williams size and strength that moves as fast as he does. he is quick and athletic as well, not just straight speed.

Ide put Mario a step behind Peppers, I thought Peppers was the best DE prospect Ive ever seen, but Mario Williams is not far behind.

Peppers ran in the 4.7's, Williams ran a 4.66 at 6'6 295 lbs. I think they are about the same player, but Mario is bigger and stronger and faster.

No one is close to Vernon Davis. In fact, he did have the best workout of any TE ever. Workouts mean crap to me, unless there is production to go with the workouts, and they both have it.

[Buffalo1]

This happens every year, before the draft certain guys get over hyped and GM's start over thinking the draft. We have huge holes at DL and OL.
I don't care about VD's 40 time or his bench press, unless he can play OT or DT he should not be on our draft board in round 1 or 2.
We did the same thing last year. We were lacking DT and OL and what do we do with our first pick.....;take Roscoe Parish. A small reciever who may turn out to be an adequate slot reciever. THAT IS THE PROBLEM

We know what are needs are, they have not changed, so address them. Don't get starstruck at the last minute and make a foolish move on draft day because everyone is saying VD is the best TE to ever come out.......
c'mon we hear this garbage every year.

[coastal]

Vernon!

[TheAnswer74]

[QUOTE=TheAnswer74]
Let me just add, No TE in the History of the game had workout #'s like Davis, and the guy also had great production on the field.

Mike Mamula had the greatest workout in the history of the combined for a DL. Remind me again how that worked out.
VD may be good but NC States record the season's he was there just makes my point even more. TE are not consistant difference makers, not trying to palyer hate I'm just saying. We need to be good on D and good on the O-line to win. A TE would help, I'm just not comfortable drafting one at 8. Give me one example of a TE who makes that much of a difference. Don't give me Gates because the guy was drafted in the 7 rd, or was he a free agent (I'm not sure).
I agree with you on the Huff, he could be special and we have a need.

Again, I dont care about workouts, unless the guy had the production to go along with it. Im not syaing he is a definate pro bowler, but I like his chances.

Matt Leinart wont workout that great, but Ide take him over any player in the draft, we wont have that chance though.

Gates didnt even play football, he was a basketball player. There are many TE's. Crumpler, Tony Gonzales, Shockey, and Dallas Clark just to name a few.

I just wouldnt be happy with drafting a DT just because we need one. In fact, we need a DT, TE, SS, LDE, OL and maybe a WR.

From our needs....

DT- Ngata
TE- Vernon Davis
SS- Huff can play anywhere
LDE- Mario Williams
OL- D'Brick

From those players, how would rank them in terms of ability and star potential?

1) Mario Williams
2) D'Brick
3) Vernon Davis
4) Michael Huff
5) Ngata

So, yeah, lets draft the 5th best available guy that could fill one of our needs.

In fact, I dont even know if Ngata would be rated higher than Bunkley by our souts and coaching staff. they say they want fast players on defense, Ngata is not that guy.

[Merk]

[QUOTE=pabstmant]

Again, I dont care about workouts, unless the guy had the production to go along with it. Im not syaing he is a definate pro bowler, but I like his chances.

Matt Leinart wont workout that great, but Ide take him over any player in the draft, we wont have that chance though.

Gates didnt even play football, he was a basketball player. There are many TE's. Crumpler, Tony Gonzales, Shockey, and Dallas Clark just to name a few.

I just wouldnt be happy with drafting a DT just because we need one. In fact, we need a DT, TE, SS, LDE, OL and maybe a WR.

From our needs....

DT- Ngata
TE- Vernon Davis
SS- Huff can play anywhere
LDE- Mario Williams
OL- D'Brick

From those players, how would rank them in terms of ability and star potential?

1) Mario Williams
2) D'Brick
3) Vernon Davis
4) Michael Huff
5) Ngata

So, yeah, lets draft the 5th best available guy that could fill one of our needs.

In fact, I dont even know if Ngata would be rated higher than Bunkley by our souts and coaching staff. they say they want fast players on defense, Ngata is not that guy.



Good Post

[Buffalo1]

With our first pick we are guranteed to get a top notch player at OL or DL barring poor scouting. We need to add quality to our lines, that is the most important part of a football team. If your lines are weak then nothing will work, even if you have the best TE in history on your team.

I agree that Vernon Davis looks great and would be a great addition to the team, but we do have a highly touted young TE who is suppose to be great to fall back on. We do not have this same luxury at OL and DL, there is no young TOP prospects lying in wait to boost the play of the lines now or for the future and this is the heart of a team.

So I say take some big uglies with our top picks that can strengthen our lines, character, and team for years to come and save the pagentry pick for another team to fall into.

[admarc]

It takes more than a good o-line to pass protect and run block. A great TE can help both areas as much as a great LT. Pass protection is only as good as it's weakest link. If you have a perennial all-pro at LT, but everyone else stinks, the QB is still going to get creamed, the run is still going to get stuffed. However, if you have great TE, he can take tremendous pressure off the QB by giving him a quick release option. He helps by forcing LB's and Safety's to stay back in coverage instead of blitzing, and making teams pay dearly when they do decide to blitz and leave him under accounted for. If your TE is also an effective blocker, he spreads the run defense and creates another hole to run through. Part of the Bills problems in pass protection and running the ball is that their current crop of TE's instill no fear in opposing teams. Opponents blitz freely and bring extra players in the box with confidence knowing there is no deep threat anywhere on the filed except at wide out. With a solid pass rush, there is no need to commit double cover because the QB will be forced to throw before those wide outs have a chance to get open downfield.

What Vernon Davis has the potential to do, is completely transform the offense. Suddenly there is a dump off option when JP rolls right. No longer will the LB or Safety be able to rush strong side to apply pressure because they'll have to worry about covering Davis. Willis can run behind a pulling Guard, Peters and Davis on sweeps and power traps. A great TE, which Davis showed he has the potential to be, can make everyone around him better. An individual tackle and guard can only have so much impact. Getting a solid, consistent front 5 is much more critical than having 1 great blocker in the group. The Bills have at least 6 other draft picks and free agency to accomplish that goal. If they can draft a difference maker like a Mario Williams or Vernon Davis with the 8th pick, they should not hesitate because Left Guard is their most critical need. They need to take the best player available that fits their system and upgrades their position. They do not need to draft their most pressing need first, 2nd biggest need 2nd, 3rd 3rd etc. They are more than one player away, so take the guy that has the greatest potential.