Syracuse officially a "bubble" team

[CoachC.]

After the loss to UConn tonight, we're 4-5 in the conference and 16-7 overall.

The Big East is clearly the best conference in the nation this year, so getting at least 7 in the tourney should be a lock. Getting 8 is not out of the question. 9 is asking a lot.

In order to get in, I think we'll have to finish 8-8 in the conference AND win a BE Tourney game. Here's the remaining schedule (need to go 4-3 to finish .500):

at St. John's
Cincinnati
Louisville
West Virginia
at Georgetown
at DePaul
Villanova

It's possible. But nothing's a given with this team. I could even see a stumble vs. DePaul. That's how poorly we can play at times.

We also have to hope none of the bottom-feeders comes up big in New York and earns a spot. Because SU would be one of the first on the hit list to lose out on that spot.

[GG8407]

Syracuse is so overrated this year it's a joke. Losses to Bucknell and Florida, a four-game losing streak including a loss to Seton Hall, and now they fail to show up against UConn. Don't forget the near-losses to Manhattan, Davidson, USF and Cornell.
This team is a one-and-done in the Big Dance at best if they make it in.

[CoachC.]

Syracuse is so overrated this year it's a joke. Losses to Bucknell and Florida, a four-game losing streak including a loss to Seton Hall, and now they fail to show up against UConn. Don't forget the near-losses to Manhattan, Davidson, USF and Cornell.
This team is a one-and-done in the Big Dance at best if they make it in.

Well, they WERE overrated. I knew that when the pre-season rankings came out.

But they didn't get a vote in either poll this week, so it's hard to be overrated when you aren't rated at all.

After tonight, 1-6 (I believe) against RPI top-50. We gots lots of work to do before the BET. But, if they go .500 in the BE and win a game, that should be good enough because of the BE's strength of conference RPI.

[Orange Nation]

The vast majority of SU Fans predicted a blowout last night.  UConn is an awesome team, the best in the country.  At least 5 of these guys are going to be on NBA rosters next year.

The team is exactly 1 game behind what I predicted for them.  The Seton Hall loss was a surprise, but there is room for this team to surprise someone else.

SU will win at least 3 of the next 4 and at least 1 of the last 3.  9-7 in conference, 8-8 at worst

No (eligible) team from a power conference with a .500 league record and a low RPI has ever been left out of the tournament.  I think the RPI lock number is 34 and under.  SU is currently at 31 after last night's loss.  With 4 more wins and almost every game against good opponents, it probably won't go any lower than that.

8-8 gets them in, regardless of the BET.

[Orange Nation]

If you need more optimism, we got 2 AA coming in next year.

[CoachC.]

If you need more optimism, we got 2 AA coming in next year.

I'm not worried about the next few years at all.

I think this will be the worst of the next several seasons.

[GG8407]

The thing is, Syracuse isn't even that bad. I don't predict that they will be like the football team and fall from glory but they're definitely underperforming this year. Maybe next year will be better for them, but this year they'll be one-and-done in the Big Dance if they make it.

[nyjunc]

I think the bubble has burts, Boeheim has years like this every so often followed by a few years of big time basketball. They'll be good over the next few years but this year is an NIT year unless they go on a major roll the last few weeks.

[Orange Nation]

Nope, 20 wins gets them in.

.500 record in the conference will get them in, they have 18 wins, you gotta assume they will beat Depaul, so that leaves one tonight vs WVU, @ G'Town, or vs. 'Nova. Not including the Big East Tournament.

[Orange Nation]

from usa today

In: Despite struggles vs. top 50, Orange are 6-0 vs. 51-100 and have the RPI and SOS (15) to get in ... for now. Three of last four vs. ranked teams.

[nyjunc]

Nope, 20 wins gets them in.

.500 record in the conference will get them in, they have 18 wins, you gotta assume they will beat Depaul, so that leaves one tonight vs WVU, @ G'Town, or vs. 'Nova. Not including the Big East Tournament.

20 wins is hollow considering who they beat to get to 20 and they have 3 tough games left of the 4 remaining. If they can win 3 of them they will get in, if they win 2 then win 2 in the BE Tourney they will probably get in but 20 itself will not get them in b/c they have zero quality wins.

[Orange Nation]

care to bet 1,000 chips they get in?

[nyjunc]

care to bet 1,000 chips they get in?

Sure.

[Orange Nation]

http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?p=1169370#post1169370

[Orange Nation]

Huuuuge step towards an NCAA Bid witha 60-58 win over #15 West Virginia at the dome. Eric Devendorf led the way with 17 pts.

[nyjunc]

Nice win but are things really that bad that the fans have to storm the court after beating West Virginia?

[Orange Nation]

Ummm, Let's See WVU is #14/#15 in the nation and had a 9-3 record in by far, the best conference in the nation.

But seriously, Who cares, it was a huge emotional win for us. Potentially sending us dancing in march.

[nyjunc]

Ummm, Let's See WVU is #14/#15 in the nation and had a 9-3 record in by far, the best conference in the nation.

But seriously, Who cares, it was a huge emotional win for us. Potentially sending us dancing in march.

It's West Virginia and they are ranked 14/15. Syracuse isn't on the level of the North carolina's, Kentucky's and duke's but they are one of the best programs in the Country. How the heck can fans storm the court after beating 14/15 WVU? You beat UConn I can see it but WVU? Come on.

[Orange Nation]

Students should be energetic and enthusiastic, and court storming goes hand in hand with that.

does this lower the integrity of the program? What tangible effect does the students jumping around in the middle of the court have that is a negative?

I would really like to hear a straight up answer to these questions.

Duke stormed the court when they beat Virginia Tech earlier this year. Duke was ranked #1 at the time. Freakin' Virginia Tech!

I don't know why some people hate it so much. It's a little disrespectful, but I think its awesome. It shows how passionate the fans are. I'm glad they did it.

I think it would be more embarrasing if we just sat around at the game like old farts with no emotion.

do you think anyone outside of syracuse cared that we stormed the court. the students were having fun, give them a break.

I would much rather see people storm the court than LEAVING EARLY!

[Orange Nation]

The win over West Virginia boosted Syracuse to No. 27 in his RPI rankings. The Orange's strength of schedule is ranked 9th.

SU's next opponent, Georgetown, is at No. 29. DePaul is 94th and Villanova is No. 2.

[nyjunc]

Students should be energetic and enthusiastic, and court storming goes hand in hand with that.

does this lower the integrity of the program? What tangible effect does the students jumping around in the middle of the court have that is a negative?

I would really like to hear a straight up answer to these questions.



yes it lowers the integirty of the program. I hate when Carolina fans storm the court against anyone, opposing fans should be storming the court when they beat us but we should never storm the court.

Duke stormed the court when they beat Virginia Tech earlier this year. Duke was ranked #1 at the time. Freakin' Virginia Tech!

I laughed at that and thought it was silly BUT they just hit a miracle half court shot to win a game so there were crazy circumstances.

I don't know why some people hate it so much. It's a little disrespectful, but I think its awesome. It shows how passionate the fans are. I'm glad they did it.


I hate it at all times but if you are going to do it you do it against a big time team or a great comeback you don't do it in a win over a 15th ranked team.

I think it would be more embarrasing if we just sat around at the game like old farts with no emotion.


You can't have emotion at your seats?

The Orange's strength of schedule is ranked 9th.


What a joke that is, I know the BE is the bst conf and that will drive up the SOS but could SU have played a bigger creampuff non-conf sched? I think that needs to be taken into account more.

Anyway, you still need towin 2 of 3 in the reg season or just beat Depaul then get 2 games in the BE Tourney or I do not think you'll make it.

[Orange Nation]

They are college students. They are there to have fun. They do not yet have the SU pride as older folks so they do not share the "we are SU and should act like we've been there before" mentality. In fact most of them have not been there before. Most of them were not SU students when we won the championship. Without that win we would have to win at G-Town or beat 'Nova. Now we only have to beat Depaul. The normally docile crowd stood and cheered for the final 2 minutes of that game. The game was exciting, emotional and our biggest win of the season. We all felt it monday night.

They are teenagers and they want to explode. Celebrations like that build SU pride. They build confidence in the players and the fans.

This year's senior class is all that is left from the NCAA Title and the way this team has been playing this year, the students do deserve to celebrate a great victory and show a national audience *their* pride for *their* school. Rushing the court is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the reality of the situation is that most students do not come back and visit. Once they graduate, they don't return to see a basketball game again in the Dome. Who knows where this team will go this year and next, but the past three years have not produced any moments as thrilling for these students. Let the students show their pride.

[Orange Nation]

What a joke that is, I know the BE is the bst conf and that will drive up the SOS but could SU have played a bigger creampuff non-conf sched? I think that needs to be taken into account more.

Anyway, you still need towin 2 of 3 in the reg season or just beat Depaul then get 2 games in the BE Tourney or I do not think you'll make it.

Cream-puffs? How can you have an overall SOS of 9 and play creampuffs? Oh wait, you can't. Creampuffs such as Kent State, Davidson, Bucknell and the other RPI 51-100 that Syracuse is 6-0 against. And all of the mid-major teams they played, the all suck right? Then why are they all, every single one of them making the tournament. Before you start quoting Doug Gottleib, will you please remember that YOU ARE QUOTING DOUG GOTTLEIB!

SU played a number of solid mid majors this year. The SOS rated at #9 is not only from BE conference play.

Florida, Bucknell are not easy touches...........

We beat Depaul, we are in, guarantee it.

Just because they aren't big name teams doesn't mean they are cream puffs.

People are such freakin hypocrits. They're always pumping these mid-majors up and saying they should get more NCAA bids and complaining that big name power teams are scared to schedule these teams. Then when SU schedules about 5 of these type of teams, they get ripped for having an "easy" schedule and aren't deserving of the NCAA's.....but those same type of mid-majors that we played are getting pushed for tourney spots.

the reason many teams have such a difficult time with Mid-majors come tourney time is the fact that they haven't played any all year long. No matter what Syracuse does we will always be criticized for our schedule. Heck we we're criticized for our schedule b/c Mizzou and Mich st. we're not considered strong ooc opponents....fact was that both teams we're top 5 in the pre season.

[nyjunc]

Cream-puffs? How can you have an overall SOS of 9 and play creampuffs? Oh wait, you can't. Creampuffs such as Kent State, Davidson, Bucknell and the other RPI 51-100 that Syracuse is 6-0 against.

Didn't Bucknell beat Syracuse AT Syracuse? You didn't beat ONE ranked non-conf opponent(and your only win against a ranked team was WVU the other night). An overrated Florida team was by far the best team you played and they beat you. Please, your schedule is a joke and I didn't even mention how most of those games were home games and the only time you left NYS was to play mighty Towson.

SU played a number of solid mid majors this year.

A tough sched is not determined by how many good mid-majors you play, a big time program should always be able to beat mid-majors no matter how good they are. Big programs need to play other big programs and SU rarely does that and obviously did not do that this year.

We beat Depaul, we are in, guarantee it.


not if you lose the other 2 games then lose in the 1st or 2nd rd of the BE Tourney.

[Orange Nation]

SOS:

Syracuse is #9
North Carolina is #19.

[Orange Nation]

Didn't Bucknell beat Syracuse AT Syracuse? You didn't beat ONE ranked non-conf opponent(and your only win against a ranked team was WVU the other night). An overrated Florida team was by far the best team you played and they beat you. Please, your schedule is a joke and I didn't even mention how most of those games were home games and the only time you left NYS was to play mighty Towson.

Learn the game, You don't need to play a ton of ranked OOC opponents, when you play in BY FAR the toughest conference. SU will play 7 games(after Nova) against the current top 15.

A tough sched is not determined by how many good mid-majors you play, a big time program should always be able to beat mid-majors no matter how good they are. Big programs need to play other big programs and SU rarely does that and obviously did not do that this year.

UConn twice, Nova twice, @ Pitt, WVU, Florida, Cincy, etc.

SU's schedule is ranked as the 9th toughest for a reason.

Yep, SU has played a horrible schedule, they've only played more ranked teams tan anyone else.

Not to mention we won AT Notre Dame and they should have beaten UConn last night. They are no push over check the differences in their losses to great teams. They have lost 8 games by a total of 27 points. St. John's has won some great games this year.

not if you lose the other 2 games then lose in the 1st or 2nd rd of the BE Tourney.

Bilas said during gameday, that if we win 2 out of the next four (if we beat louisville). we'll be in. i think he knows more than you, wait I KNOW he knows more than you.

beat DePaul, finish with a .500 record in the toughest conference, with that strength of schedule and RPI (will only get better after games against G'town and Nova).. we are in

[Orange Nation]

Interesting Fact:

According to Ken Pomeroy's webpage, this season SU is one of only
8 teams that have not lost against a non top-50 team.

Last season, they were the only team in the country to do that and they were one of only 7 teams the season before that. They haven't lost to a non top-50 team since Melo and company lost in January of '03 to Rutgers. Now SU has won 60 straight such games, which is more than twice as many as any other team in the country.

Quite a feat.


The other seven teams that haven't lost to a non-Top 50 team are: Duke, Villanova, Connecticut, Memphis, Ohio State, Gonzaga and Wichita State.

[nyjunc]

SOS:

Syracuse is #9
North Carolina is #19.

Carolina scheduled a tough a non-conf sched but usual top teams Uk and Arizona have struggled this year lowering the SOS. Even w/ that our non-conf sched was MUCH tougher than yours.

Learn the game, You don't need to play a ton of ranked OOC opponents, when you play in BY FAR the toughest conference. SU will play 7 games(after Nova) against the current top 15.


Please stop, you have no clue what you are talking about. Tough scheds are not defined by playing good mid-majors in non-conf play.

The BE is the best but CBB as a whole is very down this year, outside of 'Nova nd UConn the BE has a bunch of decent teams and then a bunch of bad-mediocrew teams. It isnot an all-time great year for the conference. They will get more teams in the Tourney b/c they have so many teams.

SU after playing 'Nova will have played 7 games against the top 15 and against 5 diff teams as they will have played UConn and 'Nova twice. After the duke game Carolina will have played 5 games against top 15 teams(duke twice, Illinois, NC State, BC) and 4 diff teams. That's not a major difference considering how "great" the BE is this year.

Yep, SU has played a horrible schedule, they've only played more ranked teams tan anyone else.


When discussing scheds you talk about non-conf games not conf games as you can't control the conf games. SU's non-conf they played ONE ranked team(and lost), other than UF they played Bethune-Cookman, Cornell, Tx Tech, Bucknell, Siena, Manhattan, TCU, Colgate, Davidson, Ill-Chicago, Towson(the only true road game they played), Kent State and UTEP. yeah that's a brutal sched.

Not to mention we won AT Notre Dame and they should have beaten UConn last night.

Wow! you won at ND. That's impressive that you beat a 13-11 team on their home floor. Come on, you are really reaching. You have ONE win that will catch the selection committee's eyes and that's a home win over WVU.

Bilas said during gameday, that if we win 2 out of the next four (if we beat louisville). we'll be in. i think he knows more than you, wait I KNOW he knows more than you.


i just don't see it. I think if you beat depaul and win a game or 2 in the BE Tourney then you are in but you are not in w/ a win against a bad depaul team. Assuming you go 2-1 these next 2 games you will be 5-5 in your last 10 w/ 1 quality win, that's alot to ask to make th Tourney w/ that resume. You might squeak in but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

According to Ken Pomeroy's webpage, this season SU is one of only
8 teams that have not lost against a non top-50 team.


What's your record against top 50 teams?

[Orange Nation]

Carolina scheduled a tough a non-conf sched but usual top teams Uk and Arizona have struggled this year lowering the SOS. Even w/ that our non-conf sched was MUCH tougher than yours.

tell me how you came to that conclusion. and i want facts, not some fuzzy opinions.

Nice subjective statement based on ZERO facts! Non conference strength of schedule for Carolina is listed at 69 on ESPN. Syracuse?...60.

Please stop, you have no clue what you are talking about. Tough scheds are not defined by playing good mid-majors in non-conf play.

Why should cuse schedule more top 25 teams for their non confrence schedule when they play more top 25 teams throughout the entire year when they already know that the will play more top 25 teams than any other team in the country?


The BE is the best but CBB as a whole is very down this year, outside of 'Nova nd UConn the BE has a bunch of decent teams and then a bunch of bad-mediocrew teams. It isnot an all-time great year for the conference. They will get more teams in the Tourney b/c they have so many teams.

Can you define Mediocrew, I've tried looking it up and I just can't seem to find it.

There is more parity this year as a result of stars leaving early from the big name schools and teams in the lesser conferences playing well together after 3 or 4 years on the same squad.

One of those mediocre teams beat the best the ACC has to offer - by far. The "mediocre" teams in the BE would be fighting for first or second in any other league.

Seton Hall vs NC State, G'Town vs. Duke....What happened there?

SU after playing 'Nova will have played 7 games against the top 15 and against 5 diff teams as they will have played UConn and 'Nova twice. After the duke game Carolina will have played 5 games against top 15 teams(duke twice, Illinois, NC State, BC) and 4 diff teams. That's not a major difference considering how "great" the BE is this year.

BC and NC State won't be in the top 15 since they both lost this week.

UConn twice, Nova twice, Pitt and Florida counts as 6 games not 5.

Maybe you should go to a Duke or Maryland Board, we really don't care about UNC here.

When discussing scheds you talk about non-conf games not conf games as you can't control the conf games. SU's non-conf they played ONE ranked team(and lost), other than UF they played Bethune-Cookman, Cornell, Tx Tech, Bucknell, Siena, Manhattan, TCU, Colgate, Davidson, Ill-Chicago, Towson(the only true road game they played), Kent State and UTEP. yeah that's a brutal sched.

Why do you consider games played in NYC, that's like saying all games UNC plays anywhere in North Carolina are actually home games. You sound stupid when you mimic Dickie V.

Bucknell, UTEP, Kent State are all tourney teams. Manhattan and Davidson aren't bad either. Learn the game.

Wow! you won at ND. That's impressive that you beat a 13-11 team on their home floor. Come on, you are really reaching. You have ONE win that will catch the selection committee's eyes and that's a home win over WVU.

ANY win in the Big East is better then any win in the ACC other then Duke.The ACC sucks this year as SETON HALL and G-TOWN proved.Go to a Carolina board and gripe.

i just don't see it. I think if you beat depaul and win a game or 2 in the BE Tourney then you are in but you are not in w/ a win against a bad depaul team. Assuming you go 2-1 these next 2 games you will be 5-5 in your last 10 w/ 1 quality win, that's alot to ask to make th Tourney w/ that resume. You might squeak in but I wouldn't bet the house on it.


with an RPI of 25 and a SOS of 9, there is no chance they get bounced if they beat depaul, just my opinion. they are 2-6 against top 50 but i think 8-0 against 50-100. its the losses against inferior teams that hurt you the most.

there is no history for teams not getting in with these credentials.

Cuse will dance.

What's your record against top 50 teams?

We just wish we got to play the same top 50 cupcakes that you see in the ACC. Come on Boston College? Really now, they shouldn't even be ranked.

Miami in Chapel Hill?

[nyjunc]

tell me how you came to that conclusion. and i want facts, not some fuzzy opinions.

Nice subjective statement based on ZERO facts! Non conference strength of schedule for Carolina is listed at 69 on ESPN. Syracuse?...60.


Playing Illinois, at Kentucky and Arizona isn't tougher than playing Tx tech and Florida?

Why should cuse schedule more top 25 teams for their non confrence schedule when they play more top 25 teams throughout the entire year when they already know that the will play more top 25 teams than any other team in the country?


The ACC has been the toughest conf in most years for about the last 40 years. Carolina ALWAYS schedules tough non-conf opponents. The last few years we've played Kentucky and Connecticut, now we have a series w/ Arizona. it doesn't matter how many top 25 games you have in conference. The big schools should play tough scheds, it's good for the teams and it's good for CBB.

Can you define Mediocrew, I've tried looking it up and I just can't seem to find it.


you know how someone knows they have no argument? when they start attacking typos.

One of those mediocre teams beat the best the ACC has to offer - by far. The "mediocre" teams in the BE would be fighting for first or second in any other league.


Which is why in a down year for the ACC the defending Big East Champion Boston College Eagles are in 4th despite returning all of their key players.

Seton Hall vs NC State, G'Town vs. Duke....What happened there?


Flukes. Just like Carolina wasn't better than Connecticut 2 yars ago when we beat them. Anything can happen in 1 game.

UConn twice, Nova twice, Pitt and Florida counts as 6 games not 5.


Florida will be gone and Pitt is a joke. Talk about a creampuff sched, they'll see their usual first weekend exit from the Tourney.

Why do you consider games played in NYC, that's like saying all games UNC plays anywhere in North Carolina are actually home games.

You don't think Syracuse has an advantage playing 3 hrs away from home compared to Tx tech and Florida? Whatever you say.

Bucknell, UTEP, Kent State are all tourney teams. Manhattan and Davidson aren't bad either. Learn the game.


I know, that made Syracuse's sched brutal. I mean playing Bucknell, UTEP, Kent State, Manhattan and Davidson at home. How did you manage only 1 loss w/ that brutal sched?

ANY win in the Big East is better then any win in the ACC other then Duke.The ACC sucks this year as SETON HALL and G-TOWN proved.Go to a Carolina board and gripe.


The ACC is down but doesn't suck. 1 game flukes prove nothing. Duke beat SH by 53! and SH beat WVU and SU, NC State beat ND at ND(that tough ND team, right?), Va Tech beat up St. John's. This is supposed to be a "glory year" in the BE and it's a down year in the ACC. The ACC has always been second class to the ACC so enjoy your brief stay ahead of us.

We just wish we got to play the same top 50 cupcakes that you see in the ACC. Come on Boston College? Really now, they shouldn't even be ranked.


Need I remind you again that BC WON the BE reg season last year and they are 4th in the ACC this year?

it must be tough playing SJU, Louisville, Depaul, So. Fla, Rutgers, ND and all those "tough" BE teams.

[Orange Nation]

Playing Illinois, at Kentucky and Arizona isn't tougher than playing Tx tech and Florida?

you were on here a few hours ago saying the same thing... is that all you can think off? short term memory loss?

Umm Arizona sucks toilet seat in case you haven't noticed. And Kentucky's issues are well documented. Just because they have big names doesn't mean they're having good seasons. Are you a middle child in need a hug?

Bucknell is better than kentucky and arizona.

The ACC has been the toughest conf in most years for about the last 40 years. Carolina ALWAYS schedules tough non-conf opponents. The last few years we've played Kentucky and Connecticut, now we have a series w/ Arizona. it doesn't matter how many top 25 games you have in conference. The big schools should play tough scheds, it's good for the teams and it's good for CBB.


Carolina and Duke have to schedule those non-conference games because the rest of their conference is nowhere near the top 25 by March, BC is probably the third best team in the ACC already...the rest is garbage. Again must I say, LEARN THE GAME. You know shit about CBB.


you know how someone knows they have no argument? when they start attacking typos.

im attacking typos cause im talking to the dumbest guy on the face of the earth and maybe he will understand if i talk slowly about things he understands.


Which is why in a down year for the ACC the defending Big East Champion Boston College Eagles are in 4th despite returning all of their key players.

bad argument being that they played a cake walk most of the season, and what they lost to VIRGINIA.

You don't think Syracuse has an advantage playing 3 hrs away from home compared to Tx tech and Florida? Whatever you say.

Duke, NC & State play their tournement 50 miles away

I know, that made Syracuse's sched brutal. I mean playing Bucknell, UTEP, Kent State, Manhattan and Davidson at home. How did you manage only 1 loss w/ that brutal sched?

those teams all have a legit chance to get into the tournament...name another team off hand that has that on their resume..

The ACC is down but doesn't suck. 1 game flukes prove nothing. Duke beat SH by 53! and SH beat WVU and SU, NC State beat ND at ND(that tough ND team, right?), Va Tech beat up St. John's. This is supposed to be a "glory year" in the BE and it's a down year in the ACC. The ACC has always been second class to the ACC so enjoy your brief stay ahead of us.

crack head alert

UConn beat SH by 50, as well, Have a point, please

one game means..nothing according to you..then you turn around and CITE 1 GAME!!! nuff said..enjoy your 3 at large bids

Need I remind you again that BC WON the BE reg season last year and they are 4th in the ACC this year?

and who won the big east tournament.

it must be tough playing SJU, Louisville, Depaul, So. Fla, Rutgers, ND and all those "tough" BE teams.

Clemson and Wake..

what was the DEPAUL and Wake score again?

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nyjunc, you have either gone off your medication or you're tired of looking at pictures of JJ Red-dick and you're knob is sore. You're a sad tool who gets off looking at pictures of ballplayers while you touch yourself.

BTW, how the hell did you become a heel fan. Fairweather fan? jsut join in because they are winning. That must be it. Time to get rid of that sig too, move on.

you have been repeating yourself in every single post. and i have already voiced my opinions, so why should I go through it over and over. tell me when you actually become intelligent, and grow a couple brain cells.

[nyjunc]

Bucknell is better than kentucky and arizona.


Just so you know Bucknell lost to Santa Clara who the Heels thrashed. You are making Bucknell out to be a top 10 team when in reality they are a good mid-mjaor w/ the possibility of winning 1 game in the NCAA Tourney and that's it. Uk, Arizona and Illinois are all better than Bucknell.

Carolina and Duke have to schedule those non-conference games because the rest of their conference is nowhere near the top 25 by March, BC is probably the third best team in the ACC already...the rest is garbage. Again must I say, LEARN THE GAME. You know shit about CBB.

You haven't been following CBB long, have you? Just start this year? you have no clue about CBB when you make statements like that.

im attacking typos cause im talking to the dumbest guy on the face of the earth and maybe he will understand if i talk slowly about things he understands.


Once again no argument=personal attacks.

bad argument being that they played a cake walk most of the season, and what they lost to VIRGINIA

If the ACC is such a cakewalk then why are the defneding BE Champs in FOURTH place??? Shouldn't thye be steamrolling through since they are used to such "great" competition in the BE?

those teams all have a legit chance to get into the tournament...name another team off hand that has that on their resume..


It's hard to play so many one and done NCAA teams, what a brutal sched! It's simply amazing SU has so many wins w/ that rough slate.

you have been repeating yourself in every single post. and i have already voiced my opinions, so why should I go through it over and over. tell me when you actually become intelligent, and grow a couple brain cells.


I am trying to educate you, it's obvious you have no clue about NCAA basketball. If I am repeating myself it'ss b/c these points have not sunk into that head of yours. I can't believe I am even having this argument, I didn't think someone who claims to be such a big fan could have the lack of knowledge that you do.

[Orange Nation]

what did you say nyjunc. I blocked you because I have no interest talking about someone who knows so little about basketball.

[CoachC.]

Wow. You two are really going at it on this one. Let me throw in my two cents.

First, sorry Nation, but I have to agree with NYjunc as far as storming the court is concerned. It's great to have emotion, and Syracuse is a true college town with true college basketball passion, but it's a sad commentary on the state of our program when our fans are so damn excited about beating a team like West Virginia. Regardless of where WVU is ranked, and where we aren't ranked, those kinds of games should be upsets if THEY win, not if WE win!

I stormed the Dome floor against Kentucky when I was there (I believe they were top-5, we were like #17)....but it was Kentucky!! But I also remember when fans stormed the Carrier Dome floor for a game around the same time after we beat some school (I can't exactly remember who) that really wasn't that great. I was thinking, "God, we're Syracuse. We're SUPPOSED to beat these guys." Storming the floor after something like that just made us look like we were a mid-major program with something to be proud about.

Storming a court is fun, and it is a chance to see school spirit and pride upclose, but it is also something that should be reserved for special moments for programs that don't have many of them. If we beat 'Nove in G-Mac's last game, then take the floor, but not WVU!

On scheduling, it has bothered me for years that Jimmy doesn't schedule better non-conference games. But that's just the way he's always operated. He has scheduled one ACC or Big Ten or Pac Ten game every so often, and we play in some of the bigger pre-season tourneys, but I'd like to see some of the major conference teams come to the Dome and us go there more often. I think part of the reason is because Syracuse doesn't need those kinds of games to gain exposure for recruiting like other programs do. Hell, we're on national TV almost every week when the BE season starts.

The non-conference schedule this year was better than people realize. But what we really need to do isn't so much scheduling those tougher non-conference games, it's beating the tougher conference opponents. Losing every game we've played against UConn, Nova, and Pitt is not a good statement. If we won just one or two of those games, people wouldn't complain about the non-conference schedule as much.

All that being said, no way the committee leaves out a top-30 RPI team, assuming they stay in that area. I don't think they've ever done that. I believe 33 is lowest ever left out.

[nyjunc]

Great effort by the 'Cuse today. If they lose to Depaul their bubble will have burst. Even if they beat them they'll need to win a game or 2 in the BE Tourney.

[CoachC.]

Here's the situation I think we're looking at:

If the lose both to DePaul and Nova, they may have to win the BE tourney (AT LEAST will have to go to the finals to be considered).
If they split with DePaul and Nova (regardless of which one is a win), they need to win one BE tourney game.
If they sweep DePaul and Nova, they're in, regardless of BE tourney action.

[Orange Nation]

Here's the situation I think we're looking at:

If the lose both to DePaul and Nova, they may have to win the BE tourney (AT LEAST will have to go to the finals to be considered).
If they split with DePaul and Nova (regardless of which one is a win), they need to win one BE tourney game.
If they sweep DePaul and Nova, they're in, regardless of BE tourney action.

I agree with you, for the most part

Here's All the scenarios:

1) Beat Depaul and win one in BE tourney. SU is in

2) Beat Depaul and Vill SU is in.

3) Beat Depaul, Vill and win BE tourney: SU=4seed

3) Lose to Depaul and Vill win one in BE tourney SU is a low bubble team.

4) Lose three in a row SU is out.

Just to keep this in mind, Since Seton Hall, Cicny and SU are all tied we would be 7th seed and play the 10th seed Rutgers in the 1st round of the BET.

[Orange Nation]

Losing 3 in a row to finsih the regular season is not a good idea. Beat Depaul.

I honestly think we'll give Nova a good battle and could possibly knock them off if things really go right.

People forget that despite one of the worst starts to a game an SU team has ever had, we only trailed Nova by 4 halfway through the 2nd half. And that was on the road. If Cincy can play Nova to the wire at home....so can SU.

[nyjunc]

Here's the situation I think we're looking at:

If the lose both to DePaul and Nova, they may have to win the BE tourney (AT LEAST will have to go to the finals to be considered).
If they split with DePaul and Nova (regardless of which one is a win), they need to win one BE tourney game.
If they sweep DePaul and Nova, they're in, regardless of BE tourney action.

I agree except if they split w/ depaul and 'Nova by beating depaul I think they may have to win 2 BE Tourney games but if they beat 'Nova I think they'll probably bein regradless.


I think it's safe to say SH should be out now after losing to SJU and Depaul the last 2 games.

[chuck knox]

syracuse bubble has burst. this game vs depaul is embarassing. this has to be one of the most laziest, undisciplined teams ever. watkins, roberts, mccroskey are no better than when they arrived at the cuse. nichols is a horrible player who only shows up when the game is out of reach. its too bad g-mac career ends this way, its unbelievable that coming off the championship a few years ago the cuse could not get a better cast of characters. how come the cuse never gets the all-americans, the heady ballplayers, more guys like josh pace. this team even if it beats nova does not belong in the tournament this team is honestly the worst team in the big east outside of s. florida.

[CoachC.]

syracuse bubble has burst. this game vs depaul is embarassing. this has to be one of the most laziest, undisciplined teams ever. watkins, roberts, mccroskey are no better than when they arrived at the cuse. nichols is a horrible player who only shows up when the game is out of reach. its too bad g-mac career ends this way, its unbelievable that coming off the championship a few years ago the cuse could not get a better cast of characters. how come the cuse never gets the all-americans, the heady ballplayers, more guys like josh pace. this team even if it beats nova does not belong in the tournament this team is honestly the worst team in the big east outside of s. florida.

Well, they can definitely PLAY like the second-worst team in the conference on any given night.

But, yes, this team is not very good, and they really haven't been all year -- for us SU fans it was usually just being the basic optimistic fan for most of the season, and making excuses for them and their resume' (SOS, BE Conference, etc.).

I'm thoroughly disappointed in this teams performance. Lazy and undisciplined are two good words you used to describe them. I can't agree more. Usually, SU in the tourney is the one thing I really get jacked for until the NFL season starts again (usually because the Sabres aren't very good and won't be in the playoffs, but at least that's changed this year). But now, NIT here we come, baby!!! That's so sad to even write. (of course, I hold out the miracle BET win or beating Nova and making a deep BET run, but that's just the fan in me hoping - not reality).

I'm confident things will get better over the next few years with some of these recruits coming in, but until then, this program has to do some serious re-evaluation. It will be two years in a row with no NCAA tourney wins!

[GG8407]

syracuse bubble has burst. this game vs depaul is embarassing. this has to be one of the most laziest, undisciplined teams ever. watkins, roberts, mccroskey are no better than when they arrived at the cuse. nichols is a horrible player who only shows up when the game is out of reach. its too bad g-mac career ends this way, its unbelievable that coming off the championship a few years ago the cuse could not get a better cast of characters. how come the cuse never gets the all-americans, the heady ballplayers, more guys like josh pace. this team even if it beats nova does not belong in the tournament this team is honestly the worst team in the big east outside of s. florida.
I don't think that they're the second-worst team, but that performance was putrid last night--and to think the Orange were the national champions just three years ago. I'm not even an SU fan but have caught a few of their games over the years and last night is far from what I remember SU basketball being. Like I said, they won't fall as far as SU football has fallen over the past decade but changes need to be made.

[Orange Nation]

Syracuse may be able to wedge its way into the NCAAs with a win in the first round of the Big East Tournament (possible opponent: Cincinnati).

But what SU really needs is to beat Villanova. In the past few days we've seen Florida State beat Duke, UAB beat Memphis, Texas A&M beat Texas and Kentucky beat Tennessee.

What's Syracuse doing to stand out in a crowded bubble?

I came across an article in the Philly Daily News today on Villanova getting ready to face the huge crowd on Sunday at the Carrier Dome

Jay Wright will tell his players it's no different, that the baskets sit no higher than they do at any other gym, that the court is the same 94 by 50 feet it is everywhere else.

Which should work, so long as his players are wearing earmuffs and blindfolds.

Of all the wild gyms that No. 4 Villanova has played in this season - from the atmospheric black hole at South Florida to the music-blaring din of Texas to the ref-swearing fans at Cincinnati - nothing will quite match what the Wildcats will face on Sunday afternoon.

At Syracuse's Carrier Dome, where a private conversation between two people can produce a ricocheting echo off the fiberglass roof, more than 33,000 people will fill the seats.

And just to make sure they won't be missed, they'll be wearing orange.

"There's nowhere else you play like Syracuse," Wright said. "We've played in a lot of difficult environments, but there's nowhere to compare to this unless we played in the Hoosier Dome."

Somehow it seems just about the perfect way to end this regular season. The Big East has been a beast all year. From the first game, where Marquette upset Connecticut, through the Big East comeuppance for rookie entrant Louisville, this has been a run of extraordinary basketball. Fittingly it ends in record-breaking fashion.

A year ago, Syracuse set an on-campus basketball record with 33,199 people at the Notre Dame game.

That number goes down at noon on Sunday. The Orange announced the first advance sellout in the Carrier Dome's 26-year history and expect upwards of 34,000, with fans eagerly snapping up what senior associate athletic director Pat Campbell called "Star Wars seats" in the Syracuse Post-Standard.

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/14006025.htm