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Soviet_Canuckastani
February 3rd, 2006, 10:25:53 AM
Sound Like Something Familiar Over The Past 5 Years?
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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes.

Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

TRIPLE P
February 3rd, 2006, 10:33:40 AM
Scary stuff... the thing is, so many of us recognize it, and try to point it out, try to show the parallels....and they won't listen... "not here, not in America"

micknaboz
February 3rd, 2006, 10:34:45 AM
And people dont think it can happen here. Yeah right, better wake up before its really too late.

TRIPLE P
February 3rd, 2006, 10:38:55 AM
And people dont think it can happen here. Yeah right, better wake up before its really too late.


Thats what I'm saying... why can't it happen here.... the idea that we have a perfect society and nation is so silly...nothing is perfect, power corrupts and we've had supreme power in the world for so long...

To believe that the United States, and its leader is infalibile is simply asking for them to exploit you...

So sad. :nono:

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 12:45:38 PM
Sound Like Something Familiar Over The Past 5 Years?
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1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

I seem to remember Kerry's Better, stronger, America theme. Give back America to Americans... Sounds pretty nationistic.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Suspected terrorists should have human rights and freedomto plot and organizebecause of the ACLU? Show me one instatnce where there has been a "movement" by the Dems in congress to stop it immediately They just cry about it and accept it as a possible platform issue al the while being conspicuously silent in their actions.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

The Dems focus on the rich as the enemy and the haves over the so called have nots.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

OKAY... Cons are pro military. That I will give you but what social agenda, that is not trumped up by the Dems, has been neglected?

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

It is what it's always been. Homoseuality is not a sex BTW.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Cons are victims of the media. Period. There is no censorship that I have seen.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

9/11 made the public WANT security. FACT.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

nope.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Who pays for those 35 dollar/hour jobs?... HMMM?

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

The government doesn't bust unions. Is it GM's fault that they can't compete?

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

Examples please?

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Aren't laws supposedto be enforced? Then again there are no examples of this to equate.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

US politics as usual... "regimes" aside... it is how it works.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Good platforms = landslide victories... Find a way to win an election and stop whining.

nehemiah
February 3rd, 2006, 1:23:23 PM
"cons are victims of the media"? :rofl:

go get some paxil and come back to reality

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 1:45:37 PM
So in your opinion... The media isn't Liberal. okey dokey smokey.

nehemiah
February 3rd, 2006, 1:53:24 PM
So in your opinion... The media isn't Liberal. okey dokey smokey.the media is NOT liberal. that is a fact as plain as day.

also - you don't even touch fascism in your post. you miss-a da point.

stop trying to play the "both sides do it" card, b/c it's horseshit. the republicans are treading down the golden road to italian fascism... and more than that - it's entirely irrelevant to this thread.

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 1:55:51 PM
I popped in on thirteen points! I don't feel like equating liberalism with socialism yet.

rob on the job
February 3rd, 2006, 1:55:56 PM
You forgot the 15th characteristic of fascism:

15. Tired of losing election after election, liberals shit their pants in fear and whine incessantly on message boards.

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 1:56:56 PM
I'll say. oy vay. FACT.

nehemiah
February 3rd, 2006, 2:04:42 PM
You forgot the 15th characteristic of fascism:

15. Tired of losing election after election, liberals shit their pants in fear and whine incessantly on message boards.so posts the fella who graduated summa *** laude from candy*** college.

:alien2:

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 2:06:56 PM
So says the socialist worker drone whose ideals revolve around well camoflaged special interest groups.

rob on the job
February 3rd, 2006, 2:12:20 PM
so posts the fella who graduated summa *** laude from candy*** college.

Where I bagged your mama. Son.

nehemiah
February 3rd, 2006, 2:13:51 PM
Where I bagged your mama. Son.:rofl:

it bleeps out *** from summa *** laude.

why so angry, roberto? it's friday - almost 5:00 pm.

TRIPLE P
February 3rd, 2006, 2:18:56 PM
:rofl:

it bleeps out *** from summa *** laude.

why so angry, roberto? it's friday - almost 5:00 pm.

Rob don't work til 5...... he's a 4:30 man.......

*jealous glare*


Oh, and it bleeps out ***..... but cumdumpster is A-OK

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 2:21:09 PM
I've been drinking since 10:00... Nice comp day.

rob on the job
February 3rd, 2006, 2:23:54 PM
... why so angry, roberto? it's friday - almost 5:00 pm.

I celebrated my Friday 4:30 closing at the Thursday 4:30 closing ... way way way too much beer.

The resulting hangover caused me to lose my manners and thoughtlessly insult my Brother Nehemiah and Brother WXP. My apologies to both of you cumdumpsters.

Only two hours to go until I repeat last night's mistakes.

nehemiah
February 3rd, 2006, 2:25:20 PM
:rofl:

cumdumpster.

:poop:

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 2:26:57 PM
I like the phrase cumdumpsters Rob... Can I borrow that phrase occasionally?

rob on the job
February 3rd, 2006, 2:30:06 PM
I like the phrase cumdumpsters Rob... Can I borrow that phrase occasionally?

Sorry.

I just copyrighted the phrase.

Everytime you use it, JW, you have to write it like this: cumdumpster.©

Oh, and you owe me 50 bucks for each time. And no credit.

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 2:31:57 PM
I have Butch up Girly Pants... not much proit in that one. How you doing on the "Send in the Curds" "c" used to not infringe.

TRIPLE P
February 3rd, 2006, 2:37:15 PM
Sorry.

I just copyrighted the phrase.

Everytime you use it, JW, you have to write it like this: cumdumpster.©

Oh, and you owe me 50 bucks for each time. And no credit.


What a GD minute.... thats mine and you know it.... insulting me is one thing (it hurts my soul, but I'll cry it out) but stealing my pet name for Sukies wife is another......:grr:

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 2:39:56 PM
That's it... Does JetBlue fly to Ohio?... Gloves are off man. I will defend my wife's honor and the honor of her $5,000.00 brand new 2005 model chest.

rob on the job
February 3rd, 2006, 2:47:14 PM
That's it... Does JetBlue fly to Ohio?... Gloves are off man. I will defend my wife's honor and the honor of her $5,000.00 brand new 2005 model chest.

Welcome to Friday Night at the Fights, brought to you by the Buffalo Range and Budweiser.

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 2:50:34 PM
http://www.mrugly.com/Images/1999umc-winner.gif

I will take that waste of skin WXP anytime anywhere... Cage match.
No one slams my sweet Melissa.

RabidBillsFan
February 3rd, 2006, 2:52:12 PM
You forgot:

Unlimited access to search records

Unlimited number of wiretaps

Detaining people at far away prisons for years against its own judicial system

How un-American can you GET? :rolleyes:

TRIPLE P
February 3rd, 2006, 2:55:56 PM
That's it... Does JetBlue fly to Ohio?... Gloves are off man. I will defend my wife's honor and the honor of her $5,000.00 brand new 2005 model chest.


I respect the fact that you love your wife enough to hook her up with a new chassis....

LOL

sukie
February 3rd, 2006, 2:59:31 PM
i't the BMW of chassis. 5k... no coupons.

rob on the job
February 3rd, 2006, 4:16:24 PM
I respect the fact that you love your wife enough to hook her up with a new chassis....

WXP's "chassis":

http://www.eckssaloon.com/images/beerbelly2.jpg