lies during the SOTU

[nehemiah]

this is awesome. bush does not care anymore. he will lie to your face and keep on grooving along. so when do the republicans open their eyes?

WASHINGTON - One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America's dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser said Wednesday that the president didn't mean it literally.

What the president meant, they said in a conference call with reporters, was that alternative fuels could displace an amount of oil imports equivalent to most of what America is expected to import from the Middle East in 2025.

But America still would import oil from the Middle East, because that's where the greatest oil supplies are.

The president's State of the Union reference to Mideast oil made headlines nationwide Wednesday because of his assertion that "America is addicted to oil" and his call to "break this addiction."

Bush vowed to fund research into better batteries for hybrid vehicles and more production of the alternative fuel ethanol, setting a lofty goal of replacing "more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025."

He pledged to "move beyond a petroleum-based economy and make our dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past."

Not exactly, though, it turns out.

"This was purely an example," Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/13767738.htm?source=rss&channel=krwashington_nation

:rofl:

:guy:

[sukie]

Bush said only what the lib's wanted to hear... For what reason, I don't know.

[micknaboz]

From the very outset, starting with their coup in florida in 2000, this administration has done nothing but lie to us. What kills me is that anyone can still think this man has any kind of leadership abilities or competance to be president. From the preplanned lies about Iraq, to the catastrophe in New Orleans and the gulf coast, this administration has over and over proven its allegiances lie with their corporate puppetmasters, and they are in no way interested in or capable of defending you or your interests.

[sukie]

Wow... one hell of a first post.

[micknaboz]

one hell of a first post

Yeah, sometimes I just go off on this type of stuff.

I mean Jesus Christ, one day theyre gonna reduce oil dependance by 75% by 2025, and the next day they're denying it.
WTF

[smaweet]

Bush has been pro-alternative fuel sources since day 1. You just don't see the libbies bashing him for it because it will bring up his positive sides and suprise their zerg fanbase that he actually is doing something.

This is such a pathetic rant against him. Nehemiah, you can do better than this, can't you? You know what Bush was trying to say: We need to lower our dependence on foreign oil as an energy source, and alternative fuel sources are going to be a factor to our hopeful shift.

[nehemiah]

Bush has been pro-alternative fuel sources since day 1. You just don't see the libbies bashing him for it because it will bring up his positive sides and suprise their zerg fanbase that he actually is doing something.

This is such a pathetic rant against him. Nehemiah, you can do better than this, can't you? You know what Bush was trying to say: We need to lower our dependence on foreign oil as an energy source, and alternative fuel sources are going to be a factor to our hopeful shift."you can do better than this"... i.e. swameet's got nothing so he's gonna attack the messenger.

bush lied during the SOTU.

but it's my fault... okey dokey.

[micknaboz]

Bush has been pro-alternative fuel sources since day 1. You just don't see the libbies bashing him for it because it will bring up his positive sides and suprise their zerg fanbase that he actually is doing something.

Un believable man what you people still believe. Educate yourself , please smaweet, cuz those people you think are doing such a good job are just using you like a cheap whore.

Meanwhile in reality ( remember reality smaweet)

The Energy Department will begin laying off researchers at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in the next week or two because of cuts to its budget.

A veteran researcher said the staff had been told that the cuts would be concentrated among researchers in wind and biomass, which includes ethanol. Those are two of the technologies that Mr. Bush cited on Tuesday night as holding the promise to replace part of the nation's oil imports.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/politics/02energy.html?hp&ex=1138942800&en=884f904a8b1146b8&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[35Pete]

From the very outset, starting with their coup in florida in 2000, this administration has done nothing but lie to us. What kills me is that anyone can still think this man has any kind of leadership abilities or competance to be president. From the preplanned lies about Iraq, to the catastrophe in New Orleans and the gulf coast, this administration has over and over proven its allegiances lie with their corporate puppetmasters, and they are in no way interested in or capable of defending you or your interests.
Prozac time.

[nehemiah]

Prozac time.sukie?

where you been, pete?

too embarrassed by the idiots in charge to come on here and try to defend them?

[sukie]

Exactly Pete... What a great way to burst onto the "Range"... all paranoid and whiny.

[nehemiah]

don't listen to 'em, micknaboz!

:rockon: to your first few posts!

[35Pete]

Personally his posts are the same old same old mindless paranoid cliches that I see on this board every day.

[micknaboz]

Prozac is the drug of choice for all Bush followers, to keep the leemings in line. No dissent, no disagreement, toe the party line no matter how much your conscience says no. And I'm not paranoid, the president already admitted to illegal domestic spying.

Liberty is the currency liberals spend for a "perfect society"

Dude , you really need to start paying attention. Thats such a pathetic moniker from someone who apparently supports a party that promotes breaking the law and illegal domestic spying.

If you really want to learn where your liberties are going look at the patriot act, and other laws this administration has promoted and passed.

[TRIPLE P]

Nehe, Mick....

Whats the point.... some people want to be idiots... some people like to be lied too... thats fine, this isn't my country anymore, i've come to grips with that.

If someone wants to lead a revolution I'll join and help, but I can't lead it...I haven't got it in me...

[micknaboz]

I didnt really come here to get in political discussions, God knows i do enough of it on real political blogs, a Buffalo native currently living in Denver, I was quite pleased to find this forum on the Sabres, its so good seeing them do well ,considering the preseason forecasts, I'm really happy for everyone still living there. I did see them play in denver here a couple months ago, a really great game too, despite the Avs almost coming back and winning.Sabres sure looked amazing the first period here.

I am astounded how people can still believe anything that comes out of the administrations mouth.
There isnt a damn thing they can cite that this president has done right. These people justify anything from lies about WMD's, to violating national security by outing a CIA agent for political reasons, to torture and political appointments of totally incompetent people like Michael Brown as head of FEMA.

And yesterday they passed a budget that bring cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, Student loans, child support funding, foster care funding, all so they can give tax breaks to people who dont need them, and subsidies and welfare to the corporations that prop up his regime. Yeah he's compassionate, right.

[TRIPLE P]

I didnt really come here to get in political discussions
And yesterday they passed a budget that bring cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, Student loans, child support funding, foster care funding, all so they can give tax breaks to people who dont need them, and subsidies and welfare to the corporations that prop up his regime. Yeah he's compassionate, right.


Then run as fast as you can..... this place is addicting. Like Heroin, but better for you.

[nehemiah]

I didnt really come here to get in political discussions, God knows i do enough of it on real political blogs, a Buffalo native currently living in Denver, I was quite pleased to find this forum on the Sabres, its so good seeing them do well ,considering the preseason forecasts, I'm really happy for everyone still living there. I did see them play in denver here a couple months ago, a really great game too, despite the Avs almost coming back and winning.Sabres sure looked amazing the first period here.

I am astounded how people can still believe anything that comes out of the administrations mouth.
There isnt a damn thing they can cite that this president has done right. These people justify anything from lies about WMD's, to violating national security by outing a CIA agent for political reasons, to torture and political appointments of totally incompetent people like Michael Brown as head of FEMA.

And yesterday they passed a budget that bring cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, Student loans, child support funding, foster care funding, all so they can give tax breaks to people who dont need them, and subsidies and welfare to the corporations that prop up his regime. Yeah he's compassionate, right.keep it coming. most people around here are pretty intelligent. but it gets a little testy sometimes.

sukie just plays the fool. and pete usually offers something better than the poop on this thread (just get him going on string theory).

[35Pete]

And yesterday they passed a budget that bring cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, Student loans, child support funding, foster care funding, all so they can give tax breaks to people who dont need them, and subsidies and welfare to the corporations that prop up his regime. Yeah he's compassionate, right.


That's the best damn thing about his budget. And you know what? I am one of those people that is going to get a tax cut. How does that make your blood boil?

[shiva2999]

I didnt really come here to get in political discussions, God knows i do enough of it on real political blogs...

Stick around and you'll be surprised. We're ahead of the curve here.

[TRIPLE P]

That's the best damn thing about his budget. And you know what? I am one of those people that is going to get a tax cut. How does that make your blood boil?

You pullin in 300K plus Pete?

[freedomfrypizza]

From the very outset, starting with their coup in florida in 2000

I think by coup you mean the Florida State Supreme Court unconstitutionally injecting themselves into the election when they had no jurisdiction to do so. The authority, under Florida's constitution, resided in Katherine Harris to facilitate the election, and her decisions should have been final. Why then, did the State Supreme Court get involved? Ohhhh, because it's full of left wing judges who couldn't stand to watch President Bush be elected. Yeah, I think you're confused about the whole coup idea.

P.S. Bush still had more votes than Gore in Florida.

[sukie]

Very nice post freedom...

[nehemiah]

I think by coup you mean the Florida State Supreme Court unconstitutionally injecting themselves into the election when they had no jurisdiction to do so. The authority, under Florida's constitution, resided in Katherine Harris to facilitate the election, and her decisions should have been final. Why then, did the State Supreme Court get involved? Ohhhh, because it's full of left wing judges who couldn't stand to watch President Bush be elected. Yeah, I think you're confused about the whole coup idea.

P.S. Bush still had more votes than Gore in Florida.it figures that sukiemiah would like a post that is 100% incorrect.

judicial review was necessary and correct b/c katherine harris was acting illegally. furthermore, the u.s. supreme court decision was a pile of shit.

:pray: please start another thread so we can discuss this. :rockon:

[sukie]

Because it didn't go your way I take it Nehemiah.

[micknaboz]

That's the best damn thing about his budget. And you know what? I am one of those people that is going to get a tax cut. How does that make your blood boil?

I have come to accept the hypocrisy of this administration and its supporters, on the one hand proclaiming their compassion, and on the other stuffing their pockets with our money. I accept that, for many , greed is really the underlying operative agenda.

What is hard to comprehend is how so many middle class people, who are getting so screwed over by this administrations agenda, continue to vote against their own self interest. Blissfully oblivious and ignorant. Its all Cintons fault.

[Ru]

What is hard to comprehend is how so many middle class people, who are getting so screwed over by this administrations agenda, continue to vote against their own self interest. Blissfully oblivious and ignorant. Its all Cintons fault.

I don't know either but Wal-Mart loves those folks too.

[nehemiah]

Because it didn't go your way I take it Nehemiah.nope.

i prefer the supreme court to act according to the constitution - not their misguided partisan leanings.

bush v. gore is equal to the: worst. supreme. court. decisions. ever.

[micknaboz]

bush v. gore is equal to the: worst. supreme. court. decisions. ever.

Whats even most amazing is that they then said it was only a one time ruling and not to be used in future similiar cases??

WTF

That is by far the most unbelievable, because that is exactly wht the SC does is define laws and rule on their constituionality and legality and
set precedent.

[35Pete]

You pullin in 300K plus Pete?
Ohh puullease, it is a lot lower than 300K.

[TRIPLE P]

Ohh puullease, it is a lot lower than 300K.



A 3rd of the cuts go to those makin 300+

Half to those making 160+

[smaweet]

"you can do better than this"... i.e. swameet's got nothing so he's gonna attack the messenger.

bush lied during the SOTU.

but it's my fault... okey dokey.


It was a mute point! Its miscommunication of facts, not some huge lie.


I'm sorry.
I mean, obviously we were all decepted by this lie, which, as a result, will have a profound impact on our daily lives.

[smaweet]

Bush has been pro-alternative fuel sources since day 1. You just don't see the libbies bashing him for it because it will bring up his positive sides and suprise their zerg fanbase that he actually is doing something.

Un believable man what you people still believe. Educate yourself , please smaweet, cuz those people you think are doing such a good job are just using you like a cheap whore.

Meanwhile in reality ( remember reality smaweet)

The Energy Department will begin laying off researchers at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in the next week or two because of cuts to its budget.

A veteran researcher said the staff had been told that the cuts would be concentrated among researchers in wind and biomass, which includes ethanol. Those are two of the technologies that Mr. Bush cited on Tuesday night as holding the promise to replace part of the nation's oil imports.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/politics/02energy.html?hp&ex=1138942800&en=884f904a8b1146b8&ei=5094&partner=homepage


Funny, the article has no mention of where the Energy Department is reallocating those funds. Not providing that fact simply makes the article sound more slanted like its try to be. Just trash: Our great New York Times.


If you're going to start posting here in an attempted civil discussion, stop putting words into my mouth.


I think Bush is still too weak on alternative energy. However, he is stronger than any previous president has been, and that was the point I was making.

[35Pete]

A 3rd of the cuts go to those makin 300+

Half to those making 160+
So what? Are you jealous. They pay the most taxes, they should get the most back. F people that don't pay taxes and contribute. They should get nothing.

[TRIPLE P]

So what? Are you jealous. They pay the most taxes, they should get the most back. F people that don't pay taxes and contribute. They should get nothing.


Why should I be jealous ? I'm happy for my old man, he's bringing in around 8 so he'll probably be thrilled... me, I don't care. I plan on not paying taxes anyways.

[micknaboz]

Funny, the article has no mention of where the Energy Department is reallocating those funds.

Reallocating what funds?? What are you reading??

They got their budget cut and are laying people off in areas where just the other night the president was saying we were going to develop.

Oh yeah then they can privatize it and give all their buddies billion dollar subsidies. I forgot how this works.

[nehemiah]

republicans are scraping the bottom of the barrel for rebuttals these days.

"what are you, jealous?" :rofl:

oy vey.

[nehemiah]

put an oil man in office.

this is what you get.

have fun.

[TRIPLE P]

republicans are scraping the bottom of the barrel for rebuttals these days.

"what are you, jealous?" :rofl:

oy vey.


I dunno Nehe, sound like some jealousy on your part too.... and with good reason...

How are you supposed to be happy without being rich.... and what exactly do you plan on taking with you when you die if you don't have any cash?

[35Pete]

Why should I be jealous ? I'm happy for my old man, he's bringing in around 8 so he'll probably be thrilled... me, I don't care. I plan on not paying taxes anyways.
If your old man if bringing in around 800 bills then he must be well motivated and a risk taker. Good for him. He's the one that truly deserves the tax break.

[nehemiah]

I dunno Nehe, sound like some jealousy on your part too.... and with good reason...

How are you supposed to be happy without being rich.... and what exactly do you plan on taking with you when you die if you don't have any cash?nehemiah loves his life.

good job, good woman, good dog, and a soul that is clean as a whistle.

:rockon: to happiness!

[TRIPLE P]

If your old man if bringing in around 800 bills then he must be well motivated and a risk taker. Good for him. He's the one that truly deserves the tax break.


But thats what he likes.... he's been at his job for 30+ years....

Me, I'm not like him, I'll NEVER make that much money because I'm NEVER gonna put in the hours.... not because I'm lazy, but because i've got better things to do than work....

Work is merely a means to survive, and I don't plan on doing much more than i have too....

[micknaboz]

and I don't plan on doing much more than i have too....

Great!! Now you're parroting Bush.

[smaweet]

Its funny how you still can't refute the point that Bush is the most pro-alternative energy sources president we've ever had. More so than your poster boy Clinton.

[Canisius85]

Prozac time.

Thank God!

Who did you get to write you the script?

[micknaboz]

Its funny how you still can't refute the point that Bush is the most pro-alternative energy sources president we've ever had.

Just cause your saying it , dont make it so.You're the one making the claim, the onus is on you to back it up.

[shiva2999]

Its funny how you still can't refute the point that Bush is the most pro-alternative energy sources president we've ever had.

Sure I can.

He's talked the talk.

How has he walked the walk?

BTW, one of Jimmy Carter's most famous speeches was about the pressing need to develop alternative energy sources.

That was 25 years ago.

Of course he was vilified by the right as a tree hugging hippy for it.

[ckg68]

Its funny how you still can't refute the point that Bush is the most pro-alternative energy sources president we've ever had. More so than your poster boy Clinton.

Then explain to me why the federal government did away with the tax credit for those who bought hybrid cars(which,IIRC,was in the $2,000 range),smaweet.

[TCentral]

Exactly Pete... What a great way to burst onto the "Range"... all paranoid and whiny.

What a great way to welcome a new poster.

[smaweet]

Hydrogen is the only clean, renewable fuel source championed in the president's budget, which proposes $88 million – more than double last year's appropriation – to help make hydrogen fuel available at the pump. A separate request seeks $273 million to speed automotive fuel cell development. All other renewable resources fared poorly: Bioenergy and biorefinery research and development was cut 19 percent, wind energy funding 5.5 percent, and geothermal 4 percent. Support for solar programs remained flat.

http://www.nwenergy.org/publications/report/03_mar/rp_0303_4.html




Reallocation.

[35Pete]

What a great way to welcome a new poster.
The PRS is and always has been a place only for people with tough skin. If you can't handle the heat then get out of the kitchen.

[sukie]

Butch up Girly Pants... That's the motto here.

[ckg68]

I'll echo Pete's thoughts. Welcome aboard,but at the same time man up. It does get hairy here at times.

[nehemiah]

here's a picture of sukie, pete, and smaweet:

"butch up girly pants"!

[sukie]

It's all in spirited fun....except for Chimpy.

[sukie]

Ah, a new conspiracy is afoot... chips stays at 2 no matter how often I post... HMMMMM. I blame the liberals for this outrage.

[TRIPLE P]

The PRS is and always has been a place only for people with tough skin.

Thats why each and every one of us has economy size bottles of lotion next to our computers......right guys.........right.....guys? :sadwalk:

[sukie]

sandpaper.

[micknaboz]

What a great way to welcome a new poster.

Its all good TCentral, its gets a lot rougher then this on most political boards.
And its always better to be on the side of right, when your opposition doesnt have a leg to stand on, and after 5 years doesnt have a record to stand on, unless you want to count a record of lies and deception. :)


Heres a little quote from our esteemed leader for you's to mull on.


"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires---a wiretap requires a court order.

Nothing has changed, by the way.

When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so.

It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

---President George W. Bush
April 20, 2004

Gotta love that first line eh Bushie.
Feel free to print that out and distribute to friends and acquaintances.

[TRIPLE P]

Its all good TCentral, its gets a lot rougher then this on most political boards.
And its always better to be on the side of right, when your opposition doesnt have a leg to stand on, and after 5 years doesnt have a record to stand on, unless you want to count a record of lies and deception. :)


Heres a little quote from our esteemed leader for you's to mull on.




Gotta love that first line eh Bushie.
Feel free to print that out and distribute to friends and acquaintances.


Great quote Mick... nothing like another example of the BOLD FACED LIES that Bush tell..... and these abused wives keep coming back for more......."b-b-b-but he l-l-l-oves me" :bigcry:

[Canisius85]

here's a picture of sukie, pete, and smaweet:

"butch up girly pants"!

In the picture I saw of Pete...he was a lot fatter....

[sukie]

I am anxiously awaitning the Democratic platform... (or lack thereof) Iam guessingol Howie is gonna stick with the "there'sa better way..." with an open ending as the theme.

[35Pete]

In the picture I saw of Pete...he was a lot fatter....
Hey budddie. I have lost 30 pound since then. (I was on a medication that caused weight gain and didn't need it anymore). If you don't believe me then just ask Sukie. He and I play cards every week.

[Canisius85]

Hey budddie. I have lost 30 pound since then. (I was on a medication that caused weight gain and didn't need it anymore). If you don't believe me then just ask Sukie. He and I play cards every week.

Good for you! :thumbsup:

You'll live longer, and your back will thank you for it.

[micknaboz]

I am anxiously awaitning the Democratic platform... (or lack thereof) Iam guessingol Howie is gonna stick with the "there'sa better way..." with an open ending as the theme.


I'm real sure that the whole privacy thing just might be on the platform.

Such as : do you want your president to continue to break the law and keep reading and listening to your communications without a warrant?

Do you want your govt involved in your medical decisions?

Do you want competent people appointed by the president, based on experience and qualifications, or do you think Mike Brown did a good job as head of FEMA during Katrina?

Despite the large majority of scientists and countries who have pronounced global warming as a real threat, do you still believe pollution is not so bad?

oh and by the way: Osama who?

Good God where does it end. Look JW, its a pretty well established fact that on the issues the majority of people are firmly in the democratic camp. Its just that the republican noise and smear machine somehow convinces them to vote aginst their own interests and vote republican. Go figure.

[sukie]

Yeah the majority is in the dem camp alright. Socialized medicine in any form will have the government sniffing John Q Publics polyps like never before.
Global warming caused by humans is a farce. and Osama sound biting the dems talking points is hilarious. Hillary will be a (sarcastic warning) MUCH better way.

[TRIPLE P]

Hey budddie. I have lost 30 pound since then. (I was on a medication that caused weight gain and didn't need it anymore). If you don't believe me then just ask Sukie. He and I play cards every week.


You gotta be in shape for strip poker...

[sukie]

LOL... Pete looks great BTW... Not my type however.