"WMD's Moved to Syria" Saddam's #2 Official says...

[sukie]

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says

By IRA STOLL - Staff Reporter of the Sun
January 26, 2006


The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

Democrats have made the absence of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq a theme in their criticism of the Bush administration's decision to go to war in 2003. And President Bush himself has conceded much of the point; in a televised prime-time address to Americans last month, he said, "It is true that many nations believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong."

Said Mr. Bush, "We did not find those weapons."

The discovery of the weapons in Syria could alter the American political debate on the Iraq war. And even the accusations that they are there could step up international pressure on the government in Damascus. That government, led by Bashar Assad, is already facing a U.N. investigation over its alleged role in the assassination of a former prime minister of Lebanon. The Bush administration has criticized Syria for its support of terrorism and its failure to cooperate with the U.N. investigation.

The State Department recently granted visas for self-proclaimed opponents of Mr. Assad to attend a "Syrian National Council" meeting in Washington scheduled for this weekend, even though the attendees include communists, Baathists, and members of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood group to the exclusion of other, more mainstream groups.

Mr. Sada, 65, told the Sun that the pilots of the two airliners that transported the weapons of mass destruction to Syria from Iraq approached him in the middle of 2004, after Saddam was captured by American troops.

"I know them very well. They are very good friends of mine. We trust each other. We are friends as pilots," Mr. Sada said of the two pilots. He declined to disclose their names, saying they are concerned for their safety. But he said they are now employed by other airlines outside Iraq.

The pilots told Mr. Sada that two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, Mr. Sada said. Then Special Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes, he said, including "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel." The pilots said there was also a ground convoy of trucks.

The flights - 56 in total, Mr. Sada said - attracted little notice because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in June of 2002.

"Saddam realized, this time, the Americans are coming," Mr. Sada said. "They handed over the weapons of mass destruction to the Syrians."

Mr. Sada said that the Iraqi official responsible for transferring the weapons was a cousin of Saddam Hussein named Ali Hussein al-Majid, known as "Chemical Ali." The Syrian official responsible for receiving them was a cousin of Bashar Assad who is known variously as General Abu Ali, Abu Himma, or Zulhimawe.

Short of discovering the weapons in Syria, those seeking to validate Mr. Sada's claim independently will face difficulty. His book contains a foreword by a retired U.S. Air Force colonel, David Eberly, who was a prisoner of war in Iraq during the first Gulf War and who vouches for Mr. Sada, who once held him captive, as "an honest and honorable man."

In his visit to the Sun yesterday, Mr. Sada was accompanied by Terry Law, the president of a Tulsa, Oklahoma based Christian humanitarian organization called World Compassion. Mr. Law said he has known Mr. Sada since 2002, lived in his house in Iraq and had Mr. Sada as a guest in his home in America. "Do I believe this man? Yes," Mr. Law said. "It's been solid down the line and everything checked out."

Said Mr. Law, "This is not a publicity hound. This is a man who wants peace putting his family on the line."

He thanked the American troops. "They liberated the country and the nation. It is a liberation force. They did a great job," he said. "We have been freed."

He said he had not shared his story until now with any American officials. "I kept everything secret in my heart," he said. But he is scheduled to meet next week in Washington with Senators Sessions and Inhofe, Republicans of, respectively, Alabama and Oklahoma. Both are members of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The book also says that on the eve of the first Gulf War, Saddam was planning to use his air force to launch a chemical weapons attack on Israel.

When, during an interview with the Sun in April 2004, Vice President Cheney was asked whether he thought that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been moved to Syria, Mr. Cheney replied only that he had seen such reports....

...more...

http://www.nysun.com/article/26514?page_no=1



Gen Sada was a guest on Hannity and Combs last night.
SH wondered aloud if ant mainstream press would pick this up... HMMMMM!

[rob on the job]

Well, well, well.

I don't blame the lefties if they want to bury themselves in Syria's sand after this revelation.

Half the global intelligence agencies didn't lie: Saddam DID have WMDs.

This must be a terrible, terrible day for the America-haters.

Nice thread, Sukie! Take the rest of the day off and get drunk!!!

[rob on the job]

Oh, and before you leftist weenies start complaining about referencing this from the New York Sun ...

These are charges made in the General's new book.

[sukie]

Sada was talking about chemical weapons that were used on Saddams own people and even against Iran at one point. Of course here comes the NY Sun bashing. This story has legs.

[г]

Short of discovering the weapons in Syria, those seeking to validate Mr. Sada's claim independently will face difficulty.

I think it was Miss Scarlet, in the parlor, with a candlestick...

[RabidBillsFan]

Are these the SAME people that the Administration were believing, when they got their false information that got us into this mess??

Without PROOF, it is nothing but words...

[rob on the job]

Are these the SAME people that the Administration were believing, when they got their false information that got us into this mess??

Without PROOF, it is nothing but words...

Gee, Saddam's top general is not proof enough?

[г]

VINDICATION!!!!!!! :rofl:

[shiva2999]

Saddam's Air Force?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

"Number 2 official"?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

His new book?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

They went to Syria?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Confirmed by an Israeli General?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


You guys are shameless.

[sukie]

Of course they will face difficulty since there aren't any "Ustorage" places to fill with weapons in or around Damascus.

[rob on the job]

VINDICATION!!!!!!! :rofl:

You know, if these same general said American troops were roasting Iraqi babies over barbecue spits and were eating them alive, you'd believe him.

Feh.

[rob on the job]

Saddam's Air Force?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

"Number 2 official"?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

His new book?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

They went to Syria?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Confirmed by an Israeli General?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


You guys are shameless.

And you are out of arguments.

[rob on the job]

A whole lot of America-haters are going to have to eat dung over this.

[shiva2999]

And you are out of arguments.

How's this for an argument?

You and sukie are lunatics.

[sukie]

God I love the whining ,poo pooing, and crying from the left... this is amusing. You were dead on Rob.

[rob on the job]

How's this for an argument?

You and sukie are lunatics.

C'mon, Shiva, show me how you can out-point the Iraqi general who is telling you there were WMDs and that they were secreted to Syria.

Show us where he's wrong.

You can do it.

[г]

http://www.wholewheatbagel.com/images/homepage/iraqiinformationminister.jpg

Wasn't this guy a top Iraqi General ?

[rob on the job]

http://www.wholewheatbagel.com/images/homepage/iraqiinformationminister.jpg

Wasn't this guy a top Iraqi General ?

Looks Canadian to me.

[rob on the job]

God I love the whining ,poo pooing, and crying from the left... this is amusing. ...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop -- namely, the appearance of our buddy Brother Nehemiah.

[sukie]

Only a matter of time. This is pathetic. BTW... Bushco was BBQing babies?

[г]

And just as credible as your new 'Top Iraqi General'

[shiva2999]

C'mon, Shiva, show me how you can out-point the Iraqi general who is telling you there were WMDs and that they were secreted to Syria.

Show us where he's wrong.

You can do it.

No thanks.

I'm at this point in life where I've decided to confine my teaching to people who have the wit to understand and the heart to care.

I no longer do missionary work among the stupid and meanspirited.

I leave that burden to the younger and stronger.

[RabidBillsFan]

WORDS, tis all.

PROVE IT.

and... WHERE IS OSAMA??????

STILL missing, and we're talking about WMD's that aren't proven to exist?

FIND OSAMA! THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WMD's:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/911wtcreutersitaly.jpg

WANTED! STILL!

[sukie]

Well Rob, with Shiva declaring himself "out" on this one... I guess Chimpy will also be.

[TRIPLE P]

whoa!....wait a second...I thought it was bad inteligence that led to the accusations of WMD's that never developed?

[sukie]

SSSSSSHHHHH WXP, you'll wake Nehemiah.

[shiva2999]

http://www.abm-enterprises.net/ted_rall_appropriate_punish.jpg

[TRIPLE P]

No, seriously... didn't we admit that our suspicion of WMD's was based on "bad intel"?

[sukie]

The intel was deemed bad because we found nothing...

[TRIPLE P]

So we started A WAR ...based on intel that couldn't be verifyed, we continue with the war, claim that our intel was bad, and now we get verification from A TELL ALL BOOK by some iraqi dude

Show me some missle and then we'll talk.... or, let me guess, THEY GOT MOVED AGAIN!!! Is alZarqawi driving around the desert in a semi truck full of WMD's flinging laptops out the window to throw us off the trail....

You realize is pretty hard to trust the Liars Club we've got running the country at this point right?

[sukie]

Here's the video link... From Hannity and Combs...

http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes/index.html

[Bellowing4DaBills]

Oh Nooooo!

You mean to say US and World Intelligence community have lost track of Iraq's deadly WMDs for the last three years.

We knew Saddam had them and now its in Syria and for all we know, Syria might have sold it to the terrorists already.

I thought the whole point of getting rid of Saddam was to remove his threat of using WMDs. Now the Gen claims the WMDs are still in the hands of another crazy Muslim state at best or worse, they have sold them off to Al Queda. Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sukie]

So we started A WAR ...based on intel that couldn't be verifyed, we continue with the war, claim that our intel was bad, and now we get verification from A TELL ALL BOOK by some iraqi dude

Show me some missle and then we'll talk.... or, let me guess, THEY GOT MOVED AGAIN!!! Is alZarqawi driving around the desert in a semi truck full of WMD's flinging laptops out the window to throw us off the trail....

You realize is pretty hard to trust the Liars Club we've got running the country at this point right?
Actually... as you recall the war started with an ultimatum based on a decade of snubbing the UN's mandate for cooperative inspections.

[TRIPLE P]

Oh Nooooo!

You mean to say US and World Intelligence community have lost track of Iraq's deadly WMDs for the last three years.

We knew Saddam had them and now its in Syria and for all we know, Syria might have sold it to the terrorists already.

I thought the whole point of getting rid of Saddam was to remove his threat of using WMDs. Now the Gen claims the WMDs are still in the hands of another crazy Muslim state at best or worse, they have sold them off to Al Queda. Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know what this mean.....SYRIA HERE WE COME!!!!....

then in 3 years they'll have moved the "WMDs" again....

its like a freaking looney toon

[RabidBillsFan]

Actually... as you recall the war started with an ultimatum based on a decade of snubbing the UN's mandate for cooperative inspections.

No, you are WRONG. The war started because we were MISLED as a nation, saying he posed a DIRECT and IMMEDIATE threat to the United States. Only by use of WMD's and production of those WMD's made the threat both of those things.

[shiva2999]

http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler/trall031027small.jpg

[sukie]

Here.... find it.

http://www.solcomhouse.com/iraqwartimeline.htm

you'll need to scroll down. Good luck.

[TRIPLE P]

http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler/trall031027small.jpg

Who does that guy second in from the far right remind you of?

[sukie]

I give?

[shiva2999]

Who?

[TRIPLE P]

http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/george_bush_uniform.jpg

[RabidBillsFan]

Here.... find it.

http://www.solcomhouse.com/iraqwartimeline.htm

you'll need to scroll down. Good luck.

What is THIS? Escalation of action against Iraq based on MISLEADING evidence. Black and white, right off your timeline post.

Here it is, after I scrolled down and clicked on the link:

November 9th, 2002

...
The US president, George Bush, issued a warning to President Saddam against engaging in the kind of obstructive tactics used against inspectors before they pulled out of Iraq in 1998. "The outcome of the current crisis is already determined. The full disarmament of weapons of mass destruction will occur. The only question for the Iraqi regime is to decide how," he said. "His cooperation must be prompt and unconditional or he will face the severest consequences."
...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,836652,00.html

AND, the doozy- NUCLEAR IRAQ!

Blair: we have the evidence

Dossier points to new intelligence sources

Patrick Wintour, chief political correspondent
Tuesday September 24, 2002
The Guardian


Tony Blair is convinced new sources of intelligence from inside Iraq provide "persuasive and overwhelming" evidence that Saddam Hussein is reassembling and expanding his weapons programme.
The intelligence, some sourced to within President Saddam's family, is also raising hopes that the enforced return of UN weapons inspectors could lead to the toppling of Saddam's regime through internal dissent, so pre-empting a US military strike.

The evidence, siphoned through the Cabinet Office's joint intelligence committee, which assesses intelligence for the government, will form part of the dossier on President Saddam's weapons of mass destruction to be published this morning.

...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,797786,00.html

[Bellowing4DaBills]

You know what this mean.....SYRIA HERE WE COME!!!!....

then in 3 years they'll have moved the "WMDs" again....

its like a freaking looney toon

Hey, I just took a peak of my trusty world atlas and you know what, Syria is closer to the US and Israel. I'm betting the Syrians have already turned a quick buck and sold some of them off to the terrorists.

Way to go Bush ! You've made the worldly a deadlier place cause now your intelligence community doesn't know where the heck those WMDs are stashed and who really has them.

[sukie]

Rabid. There were missles found that exceeded the range requirement set fourth by the mighty UN. Saddam could have exiled himself and there wouldn't have been a war. If he didn't engage in obstructive tactics then there would never have been a war. thanks for posting that tidbit.

[RabidBillsFan]

Rabid. There were missles found that exceeded the range requirement set fourth by the mighty UN. Saddam could have exiled himself and there wouldn't have been a war. If he didn't engage in obstructive tactics then there would never have been a war. thanks for posting that tidbit.

You are going off of items that were known problems WELL BEFORE 9/11.

Iraq was totally contained, Afghanistan was in full swing, and Osama and Al Qaeda was on the run. The world was almost united against terrorism, and felt a great sorrow for the United States.

By escalating what was a contained situation based upon misleading evidence and WMD's that still are not found, we let Al Qaeda and its leader slip away. Our whole reputation and standing took a massive hit because of our Iraq blunder, and NOW we have undermined our whole War on Terrorism for a small fry dictator. THAT is totally inane and I am ANGRY over that fact. The criminal Bin Laden is free!

[Bellowing4DaBills]

"The outcome of the current crisis is already determined. The full disarmament of weapons of mass destruction will occur. The only question for the Iraqi regime is to decide how," he said. "His cooperation must be prompt and unconditional or he will face the severest consequences."


Screw off Bushy. The outcome is that the WMDs are now in Syria or god knows where. This is worse than I thought. Thank you General Georges. Its time for action. Phooey to the Administration who loses track of deadly WMDs!

[RabidBillsFan]

Screw off Bushy. The outcome is that the WMDs are now in Syria or god knows where. This is worse than I thought. Thank you General Georges. Its time for action. Phooey to the Administration who loses track of deadly WMDs!

It only gets worse from here. Just wait until radical Islamic government seeps into the new 'democracy' of Iraq! Hamas just won in Palestine... is ANYONE blind enough to say it won't happen in Iraq????

[rob on the job]

Anyone want to bet that Syria has given Iraq's WMDs to someone else?

[Bellowing4DaBills]

Anyone want to bet that Syria has given Iraq's WMDs to someone else?

Hey, are you second in command of that dastardly Syrian dictator and know something we don't ? No fair in betting with someone who has the inside poops.

[rob on the job]

Hey, are you second in command of that dastardly Syrian dictator and know something we don't ? No fair in betting with someone who has the inside poops.

Being 2nd in command in Syria would be like being the defensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns. No thanks.

I'm sure there are people in Syria's government smart enough to take one look at what happened to their pal Saddam Hussein and decided right then and there to get his nukes off their hands.

And Iran said, "Sure, pal, we'll help you out."

[г]

And Snow White looked into her magic mirror and said
"...............................................

[Bellowing4DaBills]

Being 2nd in command in Syria would be like being the defensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns. No thanks.

I'm sure there are people in Syria's government smart enough to take one look at what happened to their pal Saddam Hussein and decided right then and there to get his nukes off their hands.

And Iran said, "Sure, pal, we'll help you out."

So you think its in Iran now ! The Axis of Evil Iran ! Ack phooey, George Bush. Now, I gotta buy more duct tape.

[sukie]

There were no nukes according to Sada.

[rob on the job]

So you think its in Iran now ! The Axis of Evil Iran ! Ack phooey, George Bush. Now, I gotta buy more duct tape.

Yeah, you're probably right, Bellow. There never were any WMDs. There's no such thing as bad people in the world. There's nobody that wants to hurt the US. And everything is America's fault.

The world looks a lot better with your head is nestled firmly under the sand.

[sukie]

Rob did you watch the video interview I linked up the page?

[г]

The world looks a lot better with your head is nestled firmly under the sand.

Or in a Repugnican's case, nestled firmly up their own ass

[Bellowing4DaBills]

Sukie, duct tape not only fends off a direct nuculur warhead strike, its good against bio-weapons, chemical weapons and roaches. I'm a'gettin' and a'goin' to Home Depot. I suggest you do the same before them Iranians strike with Saddams garage sale wmds.

[rob on the job]

Gosh, I should probably ignore a reaffirmation of Sada's charges, this time by an Iraqi scientist, posted eight years ago on that irresponsible Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist website:

Inside Saddam's secret nuclear program
A senior Iraqi scientist tells how Saddam Hussein, in a decades-long quest for the bomb, systematically hoodwinked the IAEA.

By Khidhir Hamza

n the early 1970s, Saddam Hussein, then Iraq's vice president and vice chairman of the ruling Revolutionary Council, ordered the development of a clandestine nuclear weapons program. I was one of those who initiated the program.

The plan's long-range objective was to produce nuclear weapons, but the immediate objective was to acquire nuclear technology. To achieve that goal, the manipulation of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was key. The elaborate plan of deception that gradually evolved included the signing of nuclear cooperation treaties with friendly states and the invention of bogus projects. ...

It was never smooth sailing, and after the Persian Gulf War, I grew disenchanted with the regime. In 1994 I decided to leave Iraq. Not allowed to leave legally, I had to follow a circuitous route that led through several countries. And for reasons that are still unclear, in April 1995 the Sunday Times of London published an erroneous story reporting that I had been killed by the Iraqi intelligence service after sneaking out secret documents exposing Iraq's reconstituted nuclear weapon program.

After that report appeared, I moved to the United States, where I now live. I write this now to highlight the long history of Iraq's nuclear weapon program and my past involvement in that program, and to describe how Iraq hoodwinked the IAEA during the 1970s and 1980s.

MORE

link: http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=so98hamza

[Bellowing4DaBills]

Yeah, you're probably right, Bellow. There never were any WMDs. There's no such thing as bad people in the world. There's nobody that wants to hurt the US. And everything is America's fault.

The world looks a lot better with your head is nestled firmly under the sand.

If I was Syrian, burying my head in the sand would result in a klunk in the head from hitting one of Saddam's wmds. Lucky me.

[г]

So, THAT'S why ostriches are extinct in Syria ?

[rob on the job]

Rob did you watch the video interview I linked up the page?

I can't vid at work, JW.

[sukie]

oh.

[shiva2999]

Gosh, I should probably ignore a reaffirmation of Sada's charges, this time by an Iraqi scientist, posted eight years ago on that irresponsible Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist website:

Inside Saddam's secret nuclear program
A senior Iraqi scientist tells how Saddam Hussein, in a decades-long quest for the bomb, systematically hoodwinked the IAEA.

By Khidhir Hamza


http://www.iraqsnuclearmirage.com/YellowTimes/Khidhir_Hamza_The_Bogus_Intelligence_Source.htm

''Khidhir Hamza: The bogus intelligence source''
Wednesday, October 15, 2003 @ 00:15:36 CST

By Imad Khadduri
Former Iraqi nuclear scientist
YellowTimes.org Guest Columnist (Canada)

(YellowTimes.org) -- Belatedly, in a September 29, 2003 article in the New York Times by Douglas Jehl, the Defense Intelligence Agency has awkwardly admitted that most of the intelligence and information offered by the Iraqi National Congress (INC) for the past several years, which was provided by Iraqi defectors of questionable credibility, was of little to no value, all at a cost of $150 billion, more than 300 dead American soldiers, and at least 10,000 dead Iraqi civilians.

A prominent and callous epithet of such defectors mentioned in the above article is Khidhir Hamza, the self-claimed Iraqi atomic "Bomb Maker." Given a short lived assignment in the Iraqi nuclear program in 1987 to lead the atomic bomb design team, he was kicked out a few months later for petty theft. Reduced to a non-entity in the accelerated nuclear weapons program between 1987 and the start of the 1991 war, he retired from the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission in 1989 and became a college lecturer, a stock market swindler and a shady business middle-man.

Upon his escape from Iraq in 1994, leaving his family behind, he was shunned asylum by the Iraqi opposition groups themselves, the CIA and the British intelligence agencies that were supporting these groups.

Seeking refuge as a lecturer in Libya, he still managed, through the INC, to initiate his usefulness to them by the publication of a series of three articles in the British Sunday Times in 1995 claiming through fake documents supplied by "authoritative sources" that Iraq was currently making atomic bombs. The Sunday Times passed them on to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) for its valuation, but decided not to report the IAEA's findings that the documents were "not authentic." The Sunday Times has not yet acknowledged using forgeries in their stories about Iraq's supposed nuclear weapons.

Panicking after his son's arrival to Libya in order to appeal with him to return to Iraq to protect his family, he once again knocked on the doors of the IAEA, the INC and the CIA, but to no avail.

Only when Hussain Kamel, the man in charge of all weapons of mass destruction (WMD) work and research in Iraq since the late eighties, had escaped to Jordan in August 1995 and informed the IAEA about his efforts to hide the scientific reports on WMD research in his chicken farm, did the CIA feel that Hamza would be useful to them and then nestled him to their bosom.

Once settled, Hamza went into hyperspin, giving interviews, writing a book, appearing on TV talk shows and speaking before congressional committees forwarding the premise that Iraq had rejuvenated its nuclear weapons program and was within just a few years from a few atomic bombs.

His false claims are dealt with in detail in my recently published book, "Iraq's Nuclear Mirage," and in an article "Saddam's bomb maker is full of lies" that was published on November 27, 2002 and is also included in the above mentioned site.

He kept up his barrage, in a CNN interview, until the last week before the occupation of Iraq. He was then sent by the Pentagon to Iraq behind American tanks to "counsel" on the country's nuclear industry, with a very lucrative salary.

He is at present aiding the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in the handling of Iraqi nuclear scientists and engineers. Several of them have been interned for having come forward with their meager information while others are being refused their passports to leave Iraq.

Strangely, none of the American media that fell over themselves in the past few years by hosting Hamza for his hyperbolic lies about Iraq's potential nuclear arsenal have now considered approaching him during the past six months to follow up on his claims of a rejuvenated nuclear weapons program. He was most certainly useless to David Kay's fruitless investigations.

Lest the American media have lost their sense of accountability, others have not.

[Imad Khadduri has a MSc in Physics from the University of Michigan (United States) and a PhD in Nuclear Reactor Technology from the University of Birmingham (United Kingdom). Khadduri worked with the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission from 1968 until 1998. He was able to leave Iraq in late 1998 with his family. He now teaches and works as a network administrator in Toronto, Canada.]

[rob on the job]

"YellowTimes.org"?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[sukie]

Bwahahahahahahaha!
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Bwahahahahahahaha!

[shiva2999]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00013.htm

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_11_16.php

November 21, 2003 -- 09:59 PM EDT // link)
Remember Khidhir Hamza? He was a rather famous figure in Washington a year ago. He was “Saddam’s Bombmaker” according to a book he co-wrote a few years back.

Hamza was the originator -- or at least the prime proponent -- of the theory that Saddam was enriching uranium through a highly unorthodox but devilishly concealable method --- with very small uranium enrichment facilities scattered and hidden throughout the country.

...more...

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh051904.shtml

At any rate, that is why you didn’t hear talk about the dangers of occupying Iraq. But how about the talk you did hear? In particular, how about the memorable times when “Saddam’s bomb-maker,” Khidir Hamza, did Hardball?

Let’s be sure we know who Hamza is. On March 15, Chris Matthews hosted former UN weapons inspector Hans Blix, who was promoting his own (non- fiction) book about the run-up to war in Iraq. At one point, the conversation mturned to those Iraqi defectors who had driven much of the pre-war debate. Matthews noted a recent statement:

MATTHEWS: Well, here’s a statement in the London Daily Telegraph by Ahmed Chalabi, one of–the key defector, who says, “We are heroes in error.” He admits that he gave bad information to the Americans to justify the war so he could get his country back. And he said, “As far as we’re concerned, we’ve been entirely successful. That tyrant Saddam is gone and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before it is not important.”
Blix said Chalabi had been cynical and dishonest. “But I think what’s even worse is that the U.S. accepted it,” he said. Then he fingered Dr. Hamza, once a prime Hardball guest:
BLIX: But I think what’s even worse is that the U.S. accepted it, that they believed these things. We knew, for instance, that Khidhir Hamza, who published a book here in the U.S. about being “Saddam’s bombmaker,” and–there are enormous errors in it. And I’m sure that CIA knew that as well. But why didn’t they pay more attention to what the inspectors had to say?
Say what? According to Blix, Hamza had been faking his facts—and the CIA knew it! Matthews’ next guest was David Kay, former Bush Admin weapons inspector. Chris asked Kay about Hamza too. Their mordant exchange is worth quoting:
MATTHEWS: What happened to this fellow that used to be on this show and sit in that seat all the time, months and months before we went to war, Khidhir Hamza, the bombmaker? What ever–somebody told me he was back living in one of the palaces! What is this guy? Who was he?
KAY: He is actually working in the Ministry of Science and Technology.

MATTHEWS: In Iraq.

KAY: In Iraq, responsible for what used to be their nuclear program.

MATTHEWS: Well, he used to tell us all about the nuclear program. It was hot and heavy! We’d better stop it!

KAY: Yes. Well, he is there now.

MATTHEWS: But there wasn’t one.

KAY: There was not one.

MATTHEWS: So what was he talking about when he came on the show saying you’ve got to beware because the weapons are going to have a mushroom cloud coming at us?

KAY: Well, I think he is another one of those “heroes in error” that you referred to, like Chalabi

...more...



Give it up rob. He's a liar for hire.

Just your kinda guy.

[sukie]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It says NOTHING of General Sada. (weak attempt)

[г]

So basically, you're saying that your horse's ass source is better than Shiva's horse's ass source ?

I think in quantum mechanics, one horses ass cancels out another (or was that rock/paper/scissors) ?

[shiva2999]

So basically, you're saying that your horse's ass source is better than Shiva's horse's ass source ?


They'd have to elevate their game to reach this level of stupid.

[г]

LOL, or maybe grandpa told me not to play rock/paper/scissors near a horse's ass (unless you have all afternoon)

[shiva2999]

The last paragraph from the NYSun article...

Mr. Sada is an unusual figure for an Iraqi general as he is a Christian and was not a member of the Baath Party. He now directs the Iraq operations of the Christian humanitarian organization, World Compassion.

[sukie]

Georges Hormis Sada graduated from Iraq’s Air Academy in 1959 and was trained by elite forces in Great Britain, Russia and the U.S. An ace fighter pilot who trained other pilots, he went on to become air vice marshal in Saddam Hussein’s military. His acts of bravery, including saving the lives of forty downed coalition pilots in the Gulf War, have earned him hero status.

Georges Sada was born into an Assyrian Christian family in northern Iraq and became a born-again believer in 1986. Georges had great favor with the former Iraqi dictator, as he is one of the few Iraqi men to ever publicly confront Saddam Hussein and live to tell about it. Georges believes a key reason why he served as one of Saddam’s most trusted advisors was to persuade him against
attacking the nation of Israel with chemical weapons, something Saddam attempted to do on two separate occasions.

Now retired, Georges is director of the Iraqi Institute for Peace and also serves as spokesman for the newly elected prime minister of Iraq. He is also the president of the National Presbyterian Church in Baghdad and chairman of the Assembly of Iraqi Evangelical Presbyterian Churches.

In recent years, Georges held the position of principal advisor to the former Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi. Additionally, he acted as the lead consultant for the reconstruction of all three branches of the Iraqi defense system. In June of 2003, Georges received the prestigious International Prize for Peace and Reconciliation presented by the Bishop of Coventry, England.

Georges Sada is the author of the book, Saddam’s Secrets, an expose on Iraq’s weapons programs and the murderous reign of Saddam Hussein.


So his religion is the problem?

[anEinherjer]

This is just FABULOUS! We haven't had a good multi-page Iraq/WMD/Terr'rist thread in just MONTHS!! :gay:

[shiva2999]

Georges Hormis Sada graduated from Iraq’s Air Academy in 1959 and was trained by elite forces in Great Britain, Russia and the U.S. An ace fighter pilot who trained other pilots, he went on to become air vice marshal in Saddam Hussein’s military. His acts of bravery, including saving the lives of forty downed coalition pilots in the Gulf War, have earned him hero status.

Georges Sada was born into an Assyrian Christian family in northern Iraq and became a born-again believer in 1986. Georges had great favor with the former Iraqi dictator, as he is one of the few Iraqi men to ever publicly confront Saddam Hussein and live to tell about it. Georges believes a key reason why he served as one of Saddam’s most trusted advisors was to persuade him against attacking the nation of Israel with chemical weapons, something Saddam attempted to do on two separate occasions.

Now retired, Georges is director of the Iraqi Institute for Peace and also serves as spokesman for the newly elected prime minister of Iraq. He is also the president of the National Presbyterian Church in Baghdad and chairman of the Assembly of Iraqi Evangelical Presbyterian Churches.

In recent years, Georges held the position of principal advisor to the former Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi. Additionally, he acted as the lead consultant for the reconstruction of all three branches of the Iraqi defense system. In June of 2003, Georges received the prestigious International Prize for Peace and Reconciliation presented by the Bishop of Coventry, England.

Georges Sada is the author of the book, Saddam’s Secrets, an expose on Iraq’s weapons programs and the murderous reign of Saddam Hussein.


So his religion is the problem?

LOL! Your inanity is the problem.

[sukie]

Don't follow... He saved pilots by talking saddam out of killing them.

The rest...???

[sukie]

Mr Sada, once one of Iraq's top fighter pilots, already had a reputation for speaking his mind. He was forced to "retire" from the air force in 1986 for refusing to join the Ba'ath Party, only to be recalled in August 1990 after Saddam invaded Kuwait.

Thus the non Ba'athist status.

[shiva2999]

...He saved pilots by talking saddam out of killing them.

Says who?

[shiva2999]

That's three in a row you've pulled out of your ass unless you have a link...

[sukie]

actually I mis quoted... it was Qusay that he convinced. Sorry

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/02/wsadd02.xml

[sukie]

That covers my so called ass pulling.

[shiva2999]

actually I mis quoted... it was Qusay that he convinced. Sorry

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/02/wsadd02.xml

Saddam. Qusay. What's the diff, huh?

From your link...

Last week Mr Sada, an ethnic Assyrian and one of Iraq's leading lay Christians, revealed how Qusay paid an unexpected visit to the air force's emergency headquarters in a Baghdad bunker about a week after the air war started on January 17, 1991.

...and...

Mr Sada's account is backed by a former senior intelligence officer who was also in the air force headquarters that night.



So, says who?

Sada says, that's who. Backed up by an unidentified intelligence officer.

Gimme a ****ing break.

[sukie]

I can't believe the left voice is this muted.

[admarc]

C'Mon Sukie, lots of people have repeatedly said Bush lied. So it must be true, why bother seeking the whole story if the left has already closed the book on this. Puhh, accounts from former members of Saddam's regime with claims that what many have suggested might have happened, indeed happened means nothing. Bush lied damn it ! The Sun is a conservative paper so it must be filled with lies too. Oh yeah, this guys a Christian of all things. Of course he can't be trusted. Sada lies !!! There I said it, now if two more people say it the NY Times and all of the rest of the MSM will have enough justification not to look into Sada's claims any further.

A simple question to all, Shiva exempt because he's so out there that he honestly believes Saddam never had WMD, where did the WMD that Saddam used to gas his own people go? Why is there no trace of even the stuff we knew he once had?

[Bellowing4DaBills]

A simple question to all, Shiva exempt because he's so out there that he honestly believes Saddam never had WMD, where did the WMD that Saddam used to gas his own people go? Why is there no trace of even the stuff we knew he once had?

I hope you trust your own government's Iraqi Survey Group Report. This answers your specific questions above...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/

Biological Weapons
What Remained Hidden and Undeclared 1995-1998?

ISG’s investigation found no evidence that Iraq continued to hide BW weapons after the unilateral destruction of 1991 was complete, and ISG judges that most of the documents and materials hidden by the Special Republican Guard from 1991 until 1995 were indeed surrendered to the UN. However, Iraq continued to conceal documents from 1998 until 2003.

Nuclear Weapons

Iraq did not possess a nuclear device, nor had it tried to reconstitute a capability to produce nuclear weapons after 1991.

ISG has uncovered no information to support allegations of Iraqi pursuit of uranium from abroad in the post-Operation Desert Storm era.

Chemical Weapons

The Decline, 1991-1996

Destroying Iraqi Weapons

During the Gulf war in early 1991, Coalition Forces destroyed or extensively damaged most of Iraq’s CW infrastructure, including many of the agent and precursor production facilities at Al Muthanna. Then, in April 1991, the UN adopted Security Council Resolution 687, which established a ceasefire in the Gulf war.Iraq was required to verifiably disarm as a prerequisite to lifting of the oil embargo imposed by UNSCR 660 of August 1990...

Available evidence indicates Iraq destroyed its hidden CW weapons and precursors, but key documentation and dual-use equipment were retained and were later discovered by inspectors.

[admarc]

I hope you trust your own government's Iraqi Survey Group Report. This answers your specific questions above...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/



Maybe you can read that report and sleep comfortable at night knowing that a declared enemy of the United States was actively researching and developing ways to weaponize anthrax and other WMD and trust that he wasn't hiding stockpiles, but not I. I sleep far more comfortably knowing that Saddam Hussein is behind bars. The report clearly states that Saddam was pursuing a strategy to lift sanctions by giving the impression that he was cooperating, all the while he was continuing research. Of course the report, like the rest of the world outside those in Saddam's inner circle, do not know exactly what was actually produced, and where it went. However, the theory, as now corroborated by someone who may have been in a position to know, that weapons of mass destruction were secretly sent to Syria, certainly seems like a viable explanation.

Saddam Hussein was a declared enemy, continued to pursue WMD research, had a history of using WMD, had ties to terrorist organizations and was actively trying to corrupt the oil for food program to weaken sanctions with the intent of re-initiating development of WMD once sanctions were lifted and inspections were stopped. We are all safer with him behind bars.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/isg-final-report_vol3_bw-01.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/isg-final-report_vol3_bw-01.htm)

ISG, however, continues to harbor doubts regarding Iraq’s destruction of bacterial reference strains and isolates. According to Dr. Rihab, she destroyed these materials in early 1992, but ISG can verify neither that the materials were destroyed nor the other details of Dr. Rihab’s account. She maintains that she gave a small box containing no more than 25 vials of lyophilized bacterial pathogens, including those obtained from the American Type Culture Collection to the IIS in mid-1991 for safekeeping. Allegedly, Husam Muhammad Amin Al Yasin, who would eventually become the director of the National Monitoring Directorate (NMD), returned the box to her in early 1992. She also claimed that she asked former TRC head Ahmad Murtada what to do with the vials. Murtada took the matter to Husayn Kamil, who ordered the vials destroyed. Dr. Rihab claims she did this by injecting the vials with Dettol™ and then autoclaving the vials. According to UNSCOM data, all ATCC ampules were accounted for and there should have been no remaining unopened vials from ATCC after the first UNSCOM BW inspection.

ISG judges the Regime took these steps with the aim of restarting the BW program in the future. In 1993, Husayn Kamil reportedly announced in a speech to WMD scientists that Iraq’s WMD programs would resume and expand when UN inspectors left. Al Hindawi recounted to ISG a conversation he had with ‘Amir Al Sa’adi about the future of the BW program following the first Gulf war. Al Sa’adi referred to Husayn Kamil’s intent as “His Highness had a broad vision of the future.” Al Hindawi interpreted this to mean that Husayn Kamil intended to reactivate the program later.

Even as Baghdad took steps to hide its remaining BW infrastructure and cover the traces of its previous program, the Regime sought to continue a covert BW development effort under the cover of civilian research. In April 1991, Dr. Rihab personally briefed Saddam Husayn on the plan to convert Al Hakam for the production of biopesticide. In that same month, MIC and Saddam Husayn decided to develop programs for SCP and biopesticide, using Bt as the cover.

Dr. Bilal told ISG, “Al Hakam was kept as potential for the BW program in the future.” He described that they decided they must do everything to preserve it and stated that the entire bio-insecticide and SCP effort at Al Hakam was a “100% cover story” created by ‘Amir Rashid. Dr. Rihab also stated that the intent to produce the SCP and bioinsecticide Bt at Al Hakam was “to cover the equipment.”

ISG judges that in the wake of Desert Storm and destruction of much of the BW effort, Iraq’s strategic objective was to give the appearance of cooperating with UNSCOM while preserving the intellectual capital amassed in prior years on BW.The Bt and SCP programs offered an effective justification that allowed Iraq to keep the Al Hakam site with its extensive equipment and skilled scientists in one place. Dr. Bilal related that after they created the cover story for Al Hakam, an economic study of Single Cell Protein (SCP) was conducted highlighting that Al Hakam’s production capacity was only kilograms while Iraq’s calculated “legitimate” SCP need was 70 tonnes per year.

Nasr Al Hindawi advocated the development of SCP at Al Hakam. The idea was endorsed because of his reputation in SCP production that was expected to provide credibility for the program to outside observers. Using SCP as an alternative feedstock, however, required very large rates of annual production (hundreds of tonnes) as well as large quantities of scarce methanol and ethanol for growth media.

Dr. Rihab was not interested in SCP. The production of Bt pesticides was a convenient cover. The assertion that Al Hakam had been involved in biopesticide production before 1991 provided what they hoped to be a plausible explanation that enabled Iraq to avoid declaring production of anthrax. She enlisted the support of Dr. Jabbar Farhan ‘Abd-al-Razzaq Al Ma’dhihi from the TABRC who had conducted research on Bt to assist in the development of biopesticide production.

Ostensible biopesticide production at Al Hakam required both an expansion of the facilities and collaboration with the IAEC’s TABRC. The cover story did not fit the limited capabilities that resided at Al Hakam: the production capacity of the plant was far too little to be convincing that it really was for commercial SCP purposes. Realizing this, Baghdad began to expand production capacity in 1993. Simultaneously, collaboration on biopesticide production with experts from TABRC generated processes and capabilities that would be directly relevant to any future Iraqi BW effort.

Iraq expanded Al Hakam’s water and electricity utilities; a move ISG assesses would have significantly expanded the site’s potential to support planned biopesticide and SCP production, and also sought to transfer to Al Hakam any and all usable equipment to support the proposed biopesticide and SCP activity. For example, after UNSCOM’s first visit to Al Hakam in September 1991, Al Hakam acquired a 1,500-liter fermentor and a dryer from Al Muthanna in order to strengthen the cover story. Additionally, Baghdad sought to acquire necessary equipment to pursue BW-related work at Al Hakam. In 1995, for example, Iraq attempted to purchase two turnkey 50 cubic meter fermentor plants from a Russian Company that purportedly had expertise in botulinum toxin production. Iraq negotiated a deal with that Russian Company for equipment and assistance. A team of Iraqi scientists and technicians traveled to Russia. The deal fell through because the company did not receive an export license.

Collaboration with TABRC brought together groups of experts and organizations whose work had direct bearing on future BW work. Jabbar Al Ma’dhihi, Head of TABRC, for example was instrumental in designing the process that resulted in reconfiguring Al Hakam to produce Bt bioinsecticide. Dr. Al Ma’dhihi also developed a novel solution to Iraq’s need for BW growth media. Unlike traditional bacterial growth media, Al Ma’dhihi’s creation was cheap and of domestic origin—made from waste products from food and agricultural processes. He noted that his media induced near 100% sporulation rates in Bt with little or no additional additives or intensive monitoring of the fermentation process. In ISG’s view, this media would probably be a suitable media for anthrax spore production. Rihab, herself, has conceded that this media may support growth and sporulation of anthrax and admitted that the use of this media would make monitoring difficult.

Separately, Dr. Rihab described the purpose of her group’s research into alternative media, which was to circumvent the effects of sanctions imposed on Iraq after the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Nasir Al Hindawi worked on alternative media for Brucella. Mosul University, worked on plants as a source of peptone media for anaerobic organisms. Some of the plant media was purportedly suitable for growing pathogens such as Clostridium botulinum. Rihab was angry that Mosul’s research might attract UNSCOM attention.

A strategic objective from the earliest days of the BW program was to produce dry agent. Dr. Rihab was aware that liquid agent had a relatively short shelf life and this was demonstrated to her when in 1991, she found that liquid BW agent recovered from bombs and bulk storage containers “was ruined.” She therefore found the work at TABRC on drying Bt by Dr. Al Ma’dhihi of great interest. Al Ma’dhihi was able to dry Bt at bench-scale and was working toward pilot-scale levels. This technology was directly applicable to drying anthrax although safety precautions would have been necessary.

Dr. Al Ma’dhihi used bentonite provided by Al Hakam. The particle size was of 1 to 10 micrometers and Al Ma’dhihi realized that this was too fine for agricultural work. However, such technology is applicable to BW.

Dr. Rihab was pleased with the biopesticide formulation Al Hakam produced. Al Hakam produced approximately 40 tons of dry formulated product each year from 1992 to 1996. In about 1994, Al Hakam slowed down the production of Al Nasr in order to improve the formulation for the farmers. However, there was disagreement among the developer, producers, and end-users on the utility and use of the Al Hakam’s dry Bt product called Al Nasr (or “Victory”). Farmers found it cumbersome to use, having to apply it by hand one plant at a time; spraying the product as a liquid slurry by mixing it with water was not successful. Al Hindawi stated, “The Bt produced there was not very popular with the farmers and was not a profitable endeavor.” The former minister of agriculture corroborated this view.

Dr. Al Ma’dhihi, the developer of this product, explained that it was intended to be used by sprinkling the dry material directly on to plants. He commented that farmers did not like the product because the powder was too fine; it aerosolized into a cloud when applied and did not form an adequate residue on the plants.

Those who produced Al Nasr, Dr. Rihab and Mr. Thamir ‘Abd-al-Rahman thought otherwise on the use and value of the product. They both described mixing the dry powder with water to form a slurry and spraying the product using hand sprayers. They thought the product was well received.

ISG’s assessment is that whatever the intention of Iraq’s Bt drying technology it was more applicable to BW than biopesticides.ISG has learned more about the potential use of Iraq’s biopesticide program for prohibited purposes from other sources.

It was reported, but not confirmed, that researchers from the BW program at Al Hakam used other organisms to model work with anthrax after 1991.

The former chief anthrax technician stated to ISG that the Al Hakam Bt fermentation line would fully support anthrax production. If virulent anthrax isolates were available, it would take by his estimate, one week to redirect the line to begin production of anthrax. He noted however that attempting to dry anthrax using the Al Hakam equipment was highly hazardous without respiratory protection or containment around the spray dryer.

In early 1995, UN inspectors confronted Iraq with evidence of imports of bacterial growth media in quantities that had no civilian utility within Iraq’s limited biotechnology industry, a step that ultimately led to the unraveling of Iraq’s cover story regarding continuing BW-related activity. On 1 July 1995, Iraq acknowledged that it used this growth media to produce two BW agents in bulk, botulinum toxin, and Bacillus anthracis spores, between 1988 and 1991. This precipitated Iraq into preparing a Full Final and Complete Disclosure (FFCD). Iraq presented the draft version in July 1995. A final version followed on 4 August 1995, only to be declared void less than two weeks later after Husayn Kamil fled to Jordan.


Most of what ISG knows about Iraq’s BW endeavors dates from the period August 1995 to early 1996. After his departure officials denounced “the traitor” Husayn Kamil and blamed him for Iraq’s failure to disclose the BW program earlier. Tariq ‘Aziz claims he persuaded Saddam Husayn to make a full disclosure of Iraq’s BW efforts to the UN. For a short while information flowed freely and Iraq released a considerable quantity of documents on its WMD programs in anticipation that this would lead to the lifting of sanctions. (However, in the biological field there were only around 200 items, including notebooks, papers, receipts, photographs, videotapes and journal reprints. For a program that had already lasted more than 20 years this was a modest collection.) As a consequence of the disclosures, the UN supervised the destruction of Al Hakam and disablement of FMDV in June 1996.

Iraq’s disclosures on its covert BW program almost certainly were tied to the disintegration of the economy, which had hit rock-bottom by late 1995 as a result of UN-mandated economic sanctions. ISG judges that Saddam was willing to risk an element of Iraq’s WMD program in a bid to gain economic and sanctions relief. Getting out from under sanctions, by this time, was an overarching Regime objective. BW research at the time offered no real capability but nevertheless posed the risk of a potential embarrassment that could only get in the way of sanctions relief.

After a series of drafts, Iraq submitted a new “Full, Final and Complete Declaration” (FFCD) on 22 June 1996. This initiated a series of UN inspections to verify the details and resulted in another FFCD, submitted in September 1996, and a further FFCD in September 1997. Despite these revisions, the new FFCDs did not supply any substantially new information and therefore did not meet UN requirements. The UN was unable to verify the contents of the documents in spite of two Technical Evaluation Meetings between Iraq and the UN in March and April 1998, and July 1998.

[anEinherjer]

PR&S feels like home again. :D

[sukie]

This thread was fast and furious yesterday. It does feel like home.

[sukie]

http://www.harpazo.net/images/damascus.jpg

Gotta be careful when hiding WMD's...

[Bellowing4DaBills]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/

Maybe you can read that report and sleep comfortable at night knowing that a declared enemy of the United States was actively researching and developing ways to weaponize anthrax and other WMD and trust that he wasn't hiding stockpiles, but not I. I sleep far more comfortably knowing that Saddam Hussein is behind bars. The report clearly states that Saddam was pursuing a strategy to lift sanctions by giving the impression that he was cooperating, all the while he was continuing research. Of course the report, like the rest of the world outside those in Saddam's inner circle, do not know exactly what was actually produced, and where it went. However, the theory, as now corroborated by someone who may have been in a position to know, that weapons of mass destruction were secretly sent to Syria, certainly seems like a viable explanation.

Good grief! The report answers the questions you posted. That is their conclusions in black and white. I didn't realize your were looking for answers that also improved your ability to sleep.

Go ahead and believe they successfully stuffed biological and chemical warheads into commercial aircrafts and flew them and tugged them across the desert under the noses of the US after 9/11.

I think it makes you sleep better believing that Saddam was able to re-build WMDs that are now unaccounted for and in the hands of Syrians, Al Queda or Iran or whoever the hell General has got you hoped that they are now in the hands of.

[sukie]

Actuallythey were in yellow Barrells with skulls and crossboneson them. no warheads.

[Bellowing4DaBills]

Sukie, is that a joke ?

Yellow barrells of chemicals with crossbones is the makeup of Saddam's WMDs that the General claims to have been transported to Syria ?

[sukie]

That's how you store chemicals...

Mr. Sada, 65, told the Sun that the pilots of the two airliners that transported the weapons of mass destruction to Syria from Iraq approached him in the middle of 2004, after Saddam was captured by American troops.

"I know them very well. They are very good friends of mine. We trust each other. We are friends as pilots," Mr. Sada said of the two pilots. He declined to disclose their names, saying they are concerned for their safety. But he said they are now employed by other airlines outside Iraq.

The pilots told Mr. Sada that two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, Mr. Sada said. Then Special Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes, he said, including "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel." The pilots said there was also a ground convoy of trucks.

The flights - 56 in total, Mr. Sada said - attracted little notice because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in June of 2002.

(original link)

[Meathead]

if they only had caught saddam with wmd everything would be different now

[sukie]

actually if Saddam took the option of stepping down and exile things would be different.

[admarc]

Good grief! The report answers the questions you posted. That is their conclusions in black and white. I didn't realize your were looking for answers that also improved your ability to sleep.

Go ahead and believe they successfully stuffed biological and chemical warheads into commercial aircrafts and flew them and tugged them across the desert under the noses of the US after 9/11.

I think it makes you sleep better believing that Saddam was able to re-build WMDs that are now unaccounted for and in the hands of Syrians, Al Queda or Iran or whoever the hell General has got you hoped that they are now in the hands of.

The report is based on information available to the investigators at the time of the report. If Saddam was successful at sneaking WMDs into Syria, than that information was not available to the investigators. The absence of evidence in an investigation does not prove innocence. Here is a new piece of information from a source, that on the surface, sounds like he should have been in a position to know. I do not know how credible he is, but his story should certainly be followed up on. If indeed weapons were sent to Syria, as many suspected, than all of the claims that Bush lied are false. This does give a plausible explanation to explain how most of the intelligence leading up to the war was apparently so wrong. The US was not the only country under the belief that Saddam was developing and possessing WMDs. The report does conclude that Saddam was actively trying to cover up his weapons programs. It concludes some of the weapons that were destroyed may have been red herrings. It is not beyond the pale to believe that he tried, and succeeded at covering up and moving evidence of WMDs.

[TRIPLE P]

That's how you store chemicals...

Mr. Sada, 65, told the Sun that the pilots of the two airliners that transported the weapons of mass destruction to Syria from Iraq approached him in the middle of 2004, after Saddam was captured by American troops.

"I know them very well. They are very good friends of mine. We trust each other. We are friends as pilots," Mr. Sada said of the two pilots. He declined to disclose their names, saying they are concerned for their safety. But he said they are now employed by other airlines outside Iraq.

The pilots told Mr. Sada that two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, Mr. Sada said. Then Special Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes, he said, including "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel." The pilots said there was also a ground convoy of trucks.

The flights - 56 in total, Mr. Sada said - attracted little notice because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in June of 2002.

(original link)


did they have ACME stamped on the top too......

Question:

If Mr Sada, the christian Iraqi General, was looking to spill his guts about WMD's why did he wait until now to do it?......

Was his ass more on the line NOW, or does he have some alterior motive (book deal perhaps)......?

[sukie]

I linked the video from Foxnews on page one or two... I think that question was asked on Hannity and Combs.

[TRIPLE P]

what did they say... i can't watch video at work...

[sukie]

i'll check for a trancript.

[sukie]

here's the link to the transcript.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182932,00.html

[г]

Actuallythey were in yellow Barrells with skulls and crossboneson them. no warheads.

Sounds like a good pirate movie

Arrrrrrrhhhhhhh!!!!!

[admarc]

Well at least one part of his story checks out.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=3698

Dam Break in Syria

On Tuesday the Zeyzoun dam in northern Syria ruptured and collapsed, killing 20 people and leaving thousands more homeless. This false-color image (right) taken on June 5, 2002, by the Moderate-resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) instrument aboard NASA?s Terra satellite shows the extent of the flooding. Normally, there would be no water present in the center of the image (left, acquired on June 3, 2002).

After the dam burst, 71 million cubic meters flowed onto the surrounding landscape and washed over an area of 20,000 acres. Hundreds of homes were destroyed in and around the villages of Zeyzoun, Qastoun, and Ziara, roughly 220 miles (350 kilometers) north of Damascus. Most of the residents fled to higher ground with the help of two helicopters. The Syrians originally constructed the dam to contain the Orontes River and provide a steady flow of water to the surrounding farms, many of which were lost.

Rescue workers worry that more bodies may be found as the waters of the dam recede. The Japanese government issued over $40,000 in aid for the victims, and the Syrian government is petitioning international aid agencies for further assistance.

[sukie]

Submit screenplay to Shiva

[admarc]

http://www.redcross.org/news/in/020621syria.html

Recovery Effort Begins After Syrian Dam Collapse
The Syrian government has provided financial compensation and limited amounts of food to the affected population and is responsible for the management of water and sanitation efforts.

The massive damages caused by the dam collapse brought an outpouring of assistance from governments around the world. Governments from Japan, Iraq, Italy, Algeria, Morocco and Saudi Arabia contributed everything from pharmaceuticals and surgeons to food and blankets.

[Meathead]

The Japanese government issued over $40,000 in aid for the victims
really opened up the coffers there didnt they

[TRIPLE P]

OK.... so you don't think there is a possiblity that this guy could be a set-up...

what punishment is this guy facing for being involved with saddam....just cause he disagreed with him sometimes doesn't mean he's without fault.....

BECKEL: Do you have any personal regrets? Your military used these weapons, correct?

SADA: Yes.

BECKEL: And you were part of — and you were part of that military. So I guess my question is, do you now feel a great deal of regret for having used the weapons?

SADA: Yes, of course. Iraq had used that weapons, it was a great time. And especially when it was used against our people, Kurds in the north and Arabs in the marsh areas.



Now.... this guy used chemical weapons and is being interviewed and is writing books?

It just seems so very convieniant.... Saddams #2 General, and self proclaimed conscience, coming clean with info about the one of the biggest black marks on the War in Iraq, just as his tell-all book about his days in Saddams regime comes out.....

If this guy is free to do interviews, write books and sell them on TV on hannity, there must have been some sort of deal struck with us at some point..... he's just as much a war criminal as saddam

So, why wouldn't he, looking to save his ass, say "yeah...zee WMD's.....zhay are een SeeReeAhh" in exchange for a little less punishment, and a sweet book deal.....?

We've used fake info before, knowing it was fake because it sounded good....why wouldn't we again?

Why wouldn't this guy say whatever we wanted him to....it could save his ass, and it makes the Bush admin look good, AND the kicker....we can't prove or disprove his allegations at this point......

We don't know what Syria did with them if they actually ended up there (if they actually existed).....and even if they WERE there, they probably aren't anymore because this happened so long ago....

The Cherry on top....we are now free to further scrutinize Syria.

[sukie]

But what if WHAT IF He is legit?

[sukie]

WXP... the bolded part is an error. If you watch the video origin of the transcript he clearly says "CRIME" not "TIME".

[Bellowing4DaBills]

OK.... so you don't think there is a possiblity that this guy could be a set-up...

what punishment is this guy facing for being involved with saddam....just cause he disagreed with him sometimes doesn't mean he's without fault.....


No, he doesn't have to worry about punishment. He was a spokesman for the interim Iraqi PM Allawi. He's in tight with the victors.

He was in government when the ISG were doing their investigation and didn't say anything because as he so touchingly put it - "I kept everything secret in my heart".

Fox wants you to be afraid of the Pirate Painted Yellow Barrells of Destruction !

[Meathead]

But what if WHAT IF He is legit?
like i said three years ago, whether saddam has/had wmd or not is moot

doesnt change a thing

[TRIPLE P]

WXP... the bolded part is an error. If you watch the video origin of the transcript he clearly says "CRIME" not "TIME".


I'll say.

[TRIPLE P]

No, he doesn't have to worry about punishment. He was a spokesman for the interim Iraqi PM Allawi. He's in tight with the victors.

He was in government when the ISG were doing their investigation and didn't say anything because as he so touchingly put it - "I kept everything secret in my heart".

Fox wants you to be afraid of the Pirate Painted Yellow Barrells of Destruction !


So we've embraced and trusted info from the #2 guy of Saddam Hussien, the alleged psychotic dictator, and we are supposed to believe that a man who had a hand in Kuwait, in using chemical weapons against his own people and countless other travesties is telling the truth?

Did Sada not have ANY rape rooms, or woodchippers?..... if Saddam had links to terrorism, so did sada..... if Saddam commited war crimes, so did Sada.....

But go ahead, trust him.... its the thing to do nowadays in America....support murderous dictators.....

I'm printing up my Support Sada bumper stickers to slap on my minivan as I type.

[Meathead]

So we've embraced and trusted info from the #2 guy of Saddam Hussien, the alleged psychotic dictator, and we are supposed to believe that a man who had a hand in Kuwait, in using chemical weapons against his own people and countless other travesties is telling the truth?

no you see when richard clarke, the u.s. counterterrorism expert who served under presidents from both parties, says the king had a hardon to invade iraq since before 9/11 its obviously a lie to sell a book

but when a general who served under an evil dictator in a middle eastern country says in his new book wmd were sent to syria it must be true

get it straight, boy

[TRIPLE P]

no you see when richard clarke, the u.s. counterterrorism expert who served under presidents from both parties, says the king had a hardon to invade iraq since before 9/11 its obviously a lie to sell a book

but when a general who served under an evil dictator in a middle eastern country says in his new book wmd were sent to syria it must be true

get it straight, boy


sorry sir.....:bang:

[г]

As I was saying, what makes you believe one horse's ass over another ?

[shiva2999]

Two "pilots", identities unknown but Sada will vouch that they're good guys, tell a story to Sada.

Sada puts it in his book.

He "reveals" this fact as publicity for his book.

Then we have to waste our time while right wing morons pretend to take this shit seriously.

[г]

Actually, the funny part is they aren't just pretending :D

[K-Gun]

A whole lot of America-haters are going to have to eat dung over this.

Why do you want to colonize the Middle East, you Anti-American fascist? Eat shit yourself... How big is his book deal?

[sukie]

Who mentioned colonization... ???? Who????

[K-Gun]

Who mentioned colonization... ???? Who????

stop playing dumb (or maybe your not playing?)

[sukie]

you're the only one even suggesting colonization.... Oh i'm sorry Paranoid emoting is afoot here.

[K-Gun]

you're the only one even suggesting colonization.... Oh i'm sorry Paranoid emoting is afoot here.

We've already colonized Iraq for the purpose of controlling the world's second bigest oil reserve. Now we need to keep the American people believing what ever the lie of the day is.

Why, because the goal is staying there and controlling the oil for a very, very long time. Maybe FOREVER...

You can go to hell, you totalitarian war whore.

[sukie]

Very Christ like in your posts, I especially like the call for lawlessness and chaos that you champion in your rebellion.

[rob on the job]

.. You can go to hell, you totalitarian war whore.

Some people just have a hard time expressing the love they feel inside.

[sukie]

Makes me think of happy things... like puppies and beer.

[TRIPLE P]

Makes me think of happy things... like puppies and beer.


don't you mean delicious things?

[sukie]

Hey... I'm a dog lover but not Vietnmese.

[K-Gun]

Some people just have a hard time expressing the love they feel inside.

He can go to hell, but he doesn't have to.

[sukie]

Condeming me to hell? Well Jesus will just love that attitude you are exhibiting.

[K-Gun]

Condeming me to hell? Well Jesus will just love that attitude you are exhibiting.

At least I care about more than the size of my wallet and getting vengence. That's the short list of things I can figure that make you tick. (and beer.)

[sukie]

Show me examples of my vengence? I'll give you the wallet comment but there has been no vengence. Hell merchant.

[TCentral]

Why would Saddam not use the weapons of mass destruction against the people invading his country instead of shipping them out? Isn't that a circumstance that calls for their use?

Did he think that he stood a better chance of beating back the US without them? He certainly showed that he would stop at nothing during GW 1 when he set the oil fields on fire.

Did Saddam have a promise from Syria that they would give them back?

What would the Syrians stand to gain by accepting this hot potato besides an invasion of their own country by the USA? Are they planning to use them against Israel and risk being nuked?

[K-Gun]

Show me examples of my vengence? I'll give you the wallet comment but there has been no vengence. Hell merchant.

I don't sell anything of the sort. And I take back the 'go to hell' comment and offer a 'piss off' instead.

[sukie]

I don't sell anything of the sort. And I take back the 'go to hell' comment and offer a 'piss off' instead.
Yourresponses are so predictable and angry at times... I actually forgot what we were talking about.

[RabidBillsFan]

We've already colonized Iraq for the purpose of controlling the world's second bigest oil reserve. Now we need to keep the American people believing what ever the lie of the day is.

Why, because the goal is staying there and controlling the oil for a very, very long time. Maybe FOREVER...

You can go to hell, you totalitarian war whore.

I think that is going too far myself... we agree to disagree, but sometimes there is a time and place for that sort of anger, and it's not here. Good to see cooler heads prevailed. :)

The only reason we are in Iraq is to finish what his daddy could not finish, removing a giant 'embarassment' block that was haunting GHWB's legacy. The oil issue is a total red herring, of epic preportions. WMD's were just an excuse to get the party started. There have been LOTS of nations who have thumbed their nose at UN resolutions in the past....!