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Billsman
January 10th, 2006, 10:32:31 AM
Why Toronto isn't Buffalo, and vice versa
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060110/1046960.asp
1/10/2006

By MARY KUNZ GOLDMAN
It's just across the lake, but really, it's worlds away.
That's why it's interesting to compare our town with Toronto.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not suggesting we beat ourselves up, envying Toronto's economic boom. Toronto is, after all, the biggest city in Canada.

Still, it's fun to get an outside perspective on Buffalo. And Toronto gives us that. Forget fears that, thanks to TV and McDonald's, the world is becoming smaller and all the same. Our two cities prove it's not so.

On the surface, it's funny enough. Toronto: "washroom." Buffalo: "bathroom." Toronto: Royal York. Buffalo: Royal subs. Names you don't hear in Toronto: Schwabl, Wardynski, Rizzo.

Dig deeper, and it's even more fascinating. Things to consider:

• Our stuff. Rick Spence, a Toronto business consultant, brings his family here for a weekend every year. His kids love the stores: "A Walgreens stop just before Christmas produced a treasure trove of Pokemon merchandise my younger kids were very excited about."

• Buffalo - talkin' loud! Here, you can walk out of Wegmans, say to no one in particular, "Looks like it's going to snow," and strangers will join the conversation. Don't try that in Toronto. They'll think you're a nut.

Spence says, kindly, of people here: "They always seem 15 percent friendlier and more outgoing - OK, louder - than the dour urban Canadians we see."

He adds: "Even your Christmas lights are usually done up bigger and prouder."

• Hold that door! Here, we go crazy holding doors for people. People will practically kill themselves so you don't miss an elevator.

In Toronto, folks let the door go in your face. When you hold it for them, they often just walk through, poker-faced, without thanks. It's a big-city thing. You can't take it personally.

• We wave that flag. "As Canadians, we're always puzzled by endless expressions of American patriotism (ribbons, bumper stickers, buttons, etc.)," Spence observes. He speculates: "The republic must seem much more vulnerable from inside the country than it does to those of us who live outside it."

• We jaywalk. Torontonians don't. And their drivers actually stop, not speed up, when the light turns red.

• Toronto's traffic is heavier than ours, but it's prettier. Here, folks cash their insurance checks and go on their merry way with bashed-in doors, duct-taped windows and dragging bumpers. Not so up north.

Rumor has it that Toronto has a law that demands cars be presentable. But guess what? "No, we don't," says Constable Wendy Drummond, media relations officer of the Toronto police. "We have emissions tests - you have to be environmentally sound."

• Toronto doesn't have our trashy booming car stereos. Drummond suggests that this, too, is a matter of courtesy rather than law. She adds, though: "We do get noise complaints. We enforce them when we can."

• Our slums are slummier. "We're not used to boarded-up buildings or rusting, derelict industrial sites," Spence says. "Buffalo isn't as bad as it was, but there is still a greater acceptance of - I don't know how to say it - urban wreckage."

He gently cites an abandoned Grand Island office building with broken windows that's visible from the I-190. "That would be unthinkable in Toronto."

• "A lot of Buffalonians are quick to talk down their city and what a dump it is - their word, not mine," says Spence. "That can't be good.

"And yet, there is so much pride as well," he notes. He tells of a Western New Yorker he met in a hotel pool. "He was seriously intending to move back, somehow, as soon as he could. I was very impressed with that."

г
January 10th, 2006, 10:45:46 AM
When I was in college (20 years ago!!!), the score rate for my buddies and myself with the Buffalo girls we'd meet at bars in the Buffalo area was hovering pretty darn close to 100%, whereas with the Toronto girls it would be around 60%

Good times!!!!

Billsman
January 10th, 2006, 10:55:59 AM
Hmm when we went to Canada, the falls and Toronto back in the 80's we always scored with the girls up there. Weird.

г
January 10th, 2006, 11:00:16 AM
The grass is always greener...

Billsman
January 10th, 2006, 11:02:06 AM
Always greener but rarely nicer. :)

RabidBillsFan
January 10th, 2006, 11:02:29 AM
Hey, don't forget about the free Toronto.. you know, where Jim Kelly went to have some offseason fun... :D

mshafer71
January 11th, 2006, 4:17:28 PM
Mary Kuntz Goldman is the sorriest excuse for a "journalist" that I have yet to see in a major newspaper....her ignorance is epic and her "cutesy" stories comparing Buffalo to Roch., Tor., etc. are preposterous.....sorry, I know this sounds cruel....but this woman is one more reason that this city needs a new direction

rob on the job
January 11th, 2006, 4:20:33 PM
Mary Kuntz Goldman is the sorriest excuse for a "journalist" that I have yet to see in a major newspaper....her ignorance is epic and her "cutesy" stories comparing Buffalo to Roch., Tor., etc. are preposterous.....sorry, I know this sounds cruel....but this woman is one more reason that this city needs a new direction

This woman really was unfair to Rochester.

But I do agree with the point about folks in Buffalo being friendlier.

г
January 11th, 2006, 4:45:44 PM
I hear the mayor of Rachacha wants to axe the ferry ?

mshafer71
January 12th, 2006, 4:45:14 PM
This woman really was unfair to Rochester.

But I do agree with the point about folks in Buffalo being friendlier.

I agree...Buffalo is a friendly place....but Goldman needs a new scrip written for her, yet undiagnosed, mental illness....who the hell hires these people....I mean, we need people who have some teeth....dont write and rewrite stories about how "it could be worse", or "at least we are...", or "it's so cheap to live here"...PLEASE, will someone have the guts to point out what needs to be done...I.E., HAVE A VISION......I am so tired of people in this town generating optimism out of downgraded expectations....IT CAN BE DONE HERE.....but people like Goldman only make me sick to my stomach...sorry about the venting....I just get so frustrated over crap like this

rob on the job
January 12th, 2006, 4:46:48 PM
I hear the mayor of Rachacha wants to axe the ferry ?

It's done.

iakona
January 22nd, 2006, 6:17:41 AM
http://www.wnymedia.net/images/stories/dunce.JPGMary Kunz Goldman is the biggest moron in WNY!

Mary Kunz Goldman actually gets paid? Money? (http://www.wnymedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=595&Itemid=37)


The BEAST 25 Most Loathsome Buffalonians, 2005 (http://buffalobeast.com/81/loathsomebuffalonians.htm):
8. Mary Kunz Goldman, columnist

Misdeeds: The worst of the worst. Buffalo News columnists are a sorry bunch, but compared to Mary they’re all Pulitzer Prize winners. Her special brand of bubble-headed intolerance mixed with her love of the familiar and hatred of detailed analysis make Goldman the go-to girl for baseless arguments against dissent, and pointless, flatfooted drivel. Her pre-election statements of vapid Republican allegiance only served to reinforce liberals’ convictions about Bush-boosters being sheltered morons who can’t think critically. Famously lectured germ-artist Steve Kurtz that “now is not a good time” for freedom of expression.

Aggravating Factor: Honeymooned in Niagara Falls, and wrote about how comforting it was that she could see Buffalo from her hotel room.

Aesthetic: Carly Simon, after getting hit in the face with a bat.