For our Canadian friends...

[Lucidvizion]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901412.html

Raiding the Icebox
Behind Its Warm Front, the United States Made Cold Calculations to Subdue Canada

By Peter Carlson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 2005; Page C01

Invading Canada won't be like invading Iraq: When we invade Canada, nobody will be able to grumble that we didn't have a plan.

The United States government does have a plan to invade Canada. It's a 94-page document called "Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan -- Red," with the word SECRET stamped on the cover. It's a bold plan, a bodacious plan, a step-by-step plan to invade, seize and annex our neighbor to the north. It goes like this:

First, we send a joint Army-Navy overseas force to capture the port city of Halifax, cutting the Canadians off from their British allies.

Then we seize Canadian power plants near Niagara Falls, so they freeze in the dark.

Then the U.S. Army invades on three fronts -- marching from Vermont to take Montreal and Quebec, charging out of North Dakota to grab the railroad center at Winnipeg, and storming out of the Midwest to capture the strategic nickel mines of Ontario.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Navy seizes the Great Lakes and blockades Canada's Atlantic and Pacific ports.

At that point, it's only a matter of time before we bring these Molson-swigging, maple-mongering Zamboni drivers to their knees! Or, as the official planners wrote, stating their objective in bold capital letters: "ULTIMATELY TO GAIN COMPLETE CONTROL."

It sounds like a joke but it's not. War Plan Red is real. It was drawn up and approved by the War Department in 1930, then updated in 1934 and 1935. It was declassified in 1974 and the word "SECRET" crossed out with a heavy pencil. Now it sits in a little gray box in the National Archives in College Park, available to anybody, even Canadian spies. They can photocopy it for 15 cents a page.

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[nehemiah]

my ancestors invaded canada.

The Fenian raids were attacks by members of the Fenian Brotherhood based in the United States, on British army forts, customs posts and other targets in Canada in order to bring pressure on Britain to withdraw from Ireland, between 1866 and 1871. The raids were successfully repelled by British forces and local militias. They divided many Irish-Canadians, many of whom were torn between loyalty to their new home and sympathy for the aims of the Fenians. A lot of the Irish, particularly the Protestants, were fiercely loyal to Britain and fought the Fenians. While the U.S. authorities arrested the men and confiscated their arms afterwards, many in government had turned a blind eye to the preparations for the invasion, angered at British support for the Confederacy during the American Civil War. There were five Fenian raids to note.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_Raids


http://www.bivouacbooks.com/bbv2i3s6.htm


CANADA MIGHT be known as "New Ireland" today had an Irish invasion of that country succeeded in 1866.

Discontent was rife in Ireland as indeed it had been for centuries. An unsuccessful attempt to throw off the English yoke had been made in 1865.

The same year the Fenians, a group of Irish revolutionaries, during a New York City convention, laid plans for invading Canada. It was proposed to hold that country as a hostage until freedom was gained in the Emerald Isle.

Plans envisioned the Irish Navy sweeping Lake Huron, Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. Irish privateers were to prey upon British shipping, close the St. Lawrence and reduce Quebec. The Irish Navy, it should be added, at the time consisted of five sailing vessels, a tug and two steamer transports, docked at Chicago.
http://ah.bfn.org/h/fen/fen.html

[anEinherjer]

A nation-state would be rather lax in its duties if it were to ignore strategic planning for all its neighbors. Or so might suggest Machiavelli.

[г]

my ancestors invaded canada.


That's why we moved te capital from Kingston to Ottawa, because we knew that you pansies couldn't make it 120 miles up the river.

[Stealth01]

I saw this on the TV news. Didn't Canada have a similar plan to attack us, too?

Canadian military's pretty efficient. I wouldn't want to face them in the snow of winter.

[35Pete]

I saw this on the TV news. Didn't Canada have a similar plan to attack us, too?

Canadian military's pretty efficient. I wouldn't want to face them in the snow of winter.
All 40 of them?

[Uppy]

I saw this on the TV news. Didn't Canada have a similar plan to attack us, too?

Canadian military's pretty efficient. I wouldn't want to face them in the snow of winter.

:rofl: I trained with the canadian Army:rolleyes2

If their was something worth a damn in canada we would have took it already.

[ticatfan3]

:rofl: I trained with the canadian Army:rolleyes2

If their was something worth a damn in canada we would have took it already.So are you saying that our soldiers are no good? Pound for pound you guys would not stand a chance.

[Uppy]

Thay are not trained as well as US troops,thay have out dated equiment.
Your Airforce is good but thats because the US trains them.

[ticatfan3]

Thay are not trained as well as US troops,thay have out dated equiment.
Your Airforce is good but thats because the US trains them.That is a crock of BS. You have the better equipment but the canadian soldier is better trained. And your comment on our airforce shows you know ****. Our air force is probably the worse shape out of all 3 forces. From the boar war and on the canadian soldier has proved to be the best fighting man out there. Why ,because they don't have the toys to play with, take your toys away there is not much left. Now I take nothing away from the american soldier , I have the utmost respect for them as most people do, but lets not think that you are the best in everything.

[ticatfan3]

Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres

30 December 2003
By Stephen Thorne, The Canadian Press
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Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres
Stephen Thorne
Canadian Press
A world-record killing shot by a Canadian sniper detachment in Afghanistan could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview. The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres.

But the U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.

The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres, or nearly 2 1/2 kilometres, on the second shot.

This feat is the equivalent of standing at the foot of Yonge St. and hitting a target in the intersection of Yonge and Wellesley Sts., just north of College St.

The first shot blew a bag from the hand of their target, an Al Qaeda fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.

The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.

But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.

The 800-strong 3rd battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry is pulling out this month.

They'll first go through a reintegration process on the Pacific island of Guam before heading home to Edmonton.

About 100 British Royal Marines, too, wrapped up their last combat mission in Afghanistan yesterday after four months in Afghanistan.

The five Canadian snipers, outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, were divided into two detachments that earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.

The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valour, marking exceptional bravery.

Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.

But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their American brethren who - while nearly killing them several times over with "friendly fire" - owe many lives to their shooting skills.

"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl. "James," a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who like Cpl. Bill asked that his identity not be revealed.

At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around. Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres, bracketing their position and getting closer all the time. "They really hammered us," said Bill. He tried to get to their rifles but couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said: "Here, you know how to use this better than I do."

They held off the enemy until darkness descended and escaped.

"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there," said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.

"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he said. "If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging, kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."

Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.

"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds, sometimes five. "Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we were."

One morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when Al Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants." Bill started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.

In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them - a 220-kilogram American bomb.

"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James. The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.

"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed the Canadians, described them: "The Canadian snipers are professional, well-trained soldiers who walked into harm's way and fulfilled their mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."

[Uppy]

Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres

30 December 2003
By Stephen Thorne, The Canadian Press
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres
Stephen Thorne
Canadian Press
A world-record killing shot by a Canadian sniper detachment in Afghanistan could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview. The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres.

But the U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.

The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres, or nearly 2 1/2 kilometres, on the second shot.

This feat is the equivalent of standing at the foot of Yonge St. and hitting a target in the intersection of Yonge and Wellesley Sts., just north of College St.

The first shot blew a bag from the hand of their target, an Al Qaeda fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.

The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.

But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.

The 800-strong 3rd battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry is pulling out this month.

They'll first go through a reintegration process on the Pacific island of Guam before heading home to Edmonton.

About 100 British Royal Marines, too, wrapped up their last combat mission in Afghanistan yesterday after four months in Afghanistan.

The five Canadian snipers, outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, were divided into two detachments that earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.

The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valour, marking exceptional bravery.

Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.

But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their American brethren who - while nearly killing them several times over with "friendly fire" - owe many lives to their shooting skills.

"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl. "James," a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who like Cpl. Bill asked that his identity not be revealed.

At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around. Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres, bracketing their position and getting closer all the time. "They really hammered us," said Bill. He tried to get to their rifles but couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said: "Here, you know how to use this better than I do."

They held off the enemy until darkness descended and escaped.

"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there," said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.

"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he said. "If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging, kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."

Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.

"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds, sometimes five. "Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we were."

One morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when Al Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants." Bill started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.

In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them - a 220-kilogram American bomb.

"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James. The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.

"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed the Canadians, described them: "The Canadian snipers are professional, well-trained soldiers who walked into harm's way and fulfilled their mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."

Snipers are better trained than regular troops,I will grant that some canadian
troops are well trained.

[Uppy]

That is a crock of BS. You have the better equipment but the canadian soldier is better trained. And your comment on our airforce shows you know ****. Our air force is probably the worse shape out of all 3 forces. From the boar war and on the canadian soldier has proved to be the best fighting man out there. Why ,because they don't have the toys to play with, take your toys away there is not much left. Now I take nothing away from the american soldier , I have the utmost respect for them as most people do, but lets not think that you are the best in everything.


When I was in the military the canadian Air Force seemed to be in good
shape,are you telling me that thay now suck?

[iakona]

Thay are not trained as well as US troops,thay have out dated equiment.
Your Airforce is good but thats because the US trains them.

What? Maybe Rummy will make sure the Humvees are properly armored and the vests can actually stop bullets for this excursion..

[Uppy]

What? Maybe Rummy will make sure the Humvees are properly armored and the vests can actually stop bullets for this excursion..

Some troops don't like the armored up humvees it makes them very slow
and to heavy on soft ground.

[ticatfan3]

Snipers are better trained than regular troops,I will grant that some canadian
troops are well trained.All canadian troops are well trained. Better trained then most.

[ticatfan3]

When I was in the military the canadian Air Force seemed to be in good
shape,are you telling me that thay now suck?Well the equip is getting very old. The f-18's are breaking down or cracking, we have really no heavy lift, our new helo's(cormarants)(SP) are showing cracks already, we still are flying helecopters that were built in the early 60's. Now if the cons get elected you will see some major spending in military hardware. We have invested in the raptor program,if that is still on the table.

[anEinherjer]

Hey Ticat, don't worry about your AF. Within a decade the JSF's will start to be delivered. :D

Why are we having a pissing match with our brothers to the north? I suppose it's natural for brothers to pick on each other heheh.

[Torontonian]

were bigger and were on top. if this was prison you'd be our bitch.