Afinogenov lead the team in PIM?

[bduff54]

wow i was shocked to hear that, that is not something for him to be proud of.

[Thumper]

Yeah, he's gotta stop that.

[foster]

Maybe it's because he so fast that he has to grab people to slow down?

[GrapeDRINK]

It is because people are constantly holding and hooking him and the refs never call anyone so he is always retailiating.

[bernsy74]

It's because he is lazy.

[coreyl519]

Ya right Max is no where near lazy he is always hussling even at the end of his shift or to get back on defense.

[Millertime27]

I wasn't shocked at all to hear that. Hes always in the box.

[Forum21]

It is because people are constantly holding and hooking him and the refs never call anyone so he is always retailiating.
Bingo. But he still needs to stop the retaliating.

[bduff54]

a russian skill player should never lead your team in PIM. no excuse for that.

[Hockeystud1414]

a russian skill player should never lead your team in PIM. no excuse for that.
agreed. Peters, goose, and mair should be leading us in penalty minutes.

[LALAFONTAINE]

a russian skill player should never lead your team in PIM. no excuse for that.

What does the fact that he's a Russian have anything to do with it, racist?

Z and Gonchar has more PIM than Afinogenov and Kovalchuk is within 4 PIM.

The reason Afinogenov leads is partly Afinogenov and partly because the Sabres are a very disciplined team.

Vanek has more PIM than Peters. Want to generalize about Austrians now?

[bduff54]

gimme a break.

[TheAnswer74]

Max drives me Fing crazy!!!!! If he just cut out his dumb penalties, this team would be even better. He is the only undisciplined player on the team. But boy can he create on the offensive side.

[two4trippn]

Maxim receives a few quick slashes and jabs as he zips by S L O W footed defensemen but then he retaliates out of frustration. His game is still gradually improving so lets see if he cuts down on his PIMs the second half.

Lala, you cant compare Peters PIMs to any Sabre this season based on games dressed and ice time.

[smaweet]

There is no excuse for retaliation.

[LALAFONTAINE]

gimme a break.

Then stop generalizing based on people's ethnic background. Give us a break from your bigotry.

How would you like it if someone accused Irish people of being drunk and violent? BTW, I am part Irish.

[LALAFONTAINE]

Maxim receives a few quick slashes and jabs as he zips by S L O W footed defensemen but then he retaliates out of frustration. His game is still gradually improving so lets see if he cuts down on his PIMs the second half.

Lala, you cant compare Peters PIMs to any Sabre this season based on games dressed and ice time.

Everybody implicitly compared Max's PIMs to Peters'.

[bduff54]

many irish people are drunk and violent, it would be a fair assesment.

[two4trippn]

Everybody implicitly compared Max's PIMs to Peters'.
I singled out you not everybody for some rhyme to reason, apparently I was misguided.

[bduff54]

it is a bad stat, thats all lala.

[LALAFONTAINE]

many irish people are drunk and violent, it would be a fair assesment.

I don't drink and I'm not violent. Some fair assessment. You can't generalize by race or ethnic background. And when people do generalize on the basis of ethnic background, like you did again, you are a racist.

[bduff54]

i thought you were from Alberta? Try growing up in Bayside in the late 80's and then tell me what it is like to be Irish. You probably put green dye in your Ice tea on St. Patricks days. I know your last name and it certainly is not Irish. I am not a racist, far from it actually.

[Hockeystud1414]

a russian skill player should never lead your team in PIM. no excuse for that.
I know where your going with that and I kind of do agree, I am not racist or anything, but like I said, peters or goose should be leading. peters isn't because of the amount of games played, and because bettman is taking fighting out so we can attract to more PUSSIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[Scary Good]

Max really needs to stop stickhandling and then shooting into a defenders leg pands resulting in a turnover.

[bduff54]

everybody knows that max is a "russian" skill player. Russia breeds those type of players and thats what they are good at. Would it be racist to say Black men are faster than white men? I don't think so.

[delectrolux]

everybody knows that max is a "russian" skill player. Russia breeds those type of players and thats what they are good at. Would it be racist to say Black men are faster than white men? I don't think so.

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racist, no. ignorant, maybe. you're lumping a whole bunch of different body types into two blanket terms "Black" and "White". your Max arguement is more appropriate based off the fact that he is a russian trained hockey player, which does mean something, it's a system of training that has nothing to do with Max's DNA. russians aren't inherently faster than americans or canadians, it's the style of game they play. saying that black men are faster than white men is simplistic, not always true, and doesn't really help any kind of arguement.
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[LALAFONTAINE]

i thought you were from Alberta? Try growing up in Bayside in the late 80's and then tell me what it is like to be Irish. You probably put green dye in your Ice tea on St. Patricks days. I know your last name and it certainly is not Irish. I am not a racist, far from it actually.

No doubt that Toronto is a racist city. But don't let that infect you.

You have no idea what my mom's last name is, asshat. You have no idea about my ethnicity.

Keep your bigotry to yourself. This isn't the first time you've exposed your bigotry here. Stop it.

[LALAFONTAINE]

everybody knows that max is a "russian" skill player. Russia breeds those type of players and thats what they are good at. Would it be racist to say Black men are faster than white men? I don't think so.

Bigot.

Yes it would be bigoted to say so. When do you start replacing "faster" with "more intelligent?"

There are fast white men like Tim Dwight or Ethan Kilmer. There are fast black men like Antwaan Randle El or Willie Parker. There are slow white men like Jeff Hartings and slow black men like Jimmy Kennedy.

Generalizing about such things DUE TO RACE is ignorant and racist.

[bduff54]

I disagree, we can leave it at that though. no need for you to get personal on this one.

[LALAFONTAINE]

Sorry if I take racism personally.

[bduff54]

lol, i am not a racist. not even close.

[LALAFONTAINE]

You generalized about Russians on this thread.

Replace that with another ethnic group and discover your racism.

[thegame]

David Garrard is faster than Byron Leftwhich and JP Losman is faster than Kelly Holcomb. The smart move is to start the faster guy in both cases. I'm pretty sure that such a statement isn't even relavent or meant as a generalization on this issue, but its what I thought of after reading the above posts.

[ArlieKoz13]

This thread is hilarious.

[bduff54]

lol , it is funny isn't it. I doubt anybody on this board took offense to that remark, it is just lala trying to start a fight. its funny actually, you should see some of the things he has said about me being irish. i have them saved but i will not go there.

[LALAFONTAINE]

Those were the things I said about you being Canadian, and thus being a loyal subject of the Queen.

[bduff54]

lets just leave it.

[Hockeystud1414]

lol, i am not a racist. not even close.
Your not a racist. guess what guys? EUROPEANS ARE PUSSYS!! EVERY ONE! If that is a racist statement, then name 5 europeans who were consistent fighters! If anyone can do that, you should be awarded. Afinogenov is a pussy, tallinder is a pussy. These guys don't even hit. This is why fighting has been going down the last couple of years and it could very well leave for good. That is not racist. that's fact. Deal with it people.

[LALAFONTAINE]

lets just leave it.

Why? I don't like racism.

[bduff54]

fair enough. case closed. i am a racist.

[LALAFONTAINE]

Your not a racist. guess what guys? EUROPEANS ARE PUSSYS!! EVERY ONE! If that is a racist statement, then name 5 europeans who were consistent fighters! If anyone can do that, you should be awarded. Afinogenov is a pussy, tallinder is a pussy. These guys don't even hit. This is why fighting has been going down the last couple of years and it could very well leave for good. That is not racist. that's fact. Deal with it people.

That is racist, and here are your five:
Oliwa: led NHL in fights last season
Nazarov: 2nd in NHL in fights in 2002-3. Consistent fighter
Chara: more than 35 fights in his career; more than Mair
Petrovicky: more than 20 fights in his career
Nolan: more than 35 fights in his career; more than Avery

Toughness is not measured by whether you fight. Gratton is a pussy, and he fights. But he's afraid to carry his purse down the center of the ice. Afinogenov has no problems anywhere on the ice. Nor have I seen that of Tallinder.

The pussies that are on the Sabres are:
1. Brian Campbell, from Canada. If you'll recall, in the game against the Queefs last season, he avoided a bodycheck from Domi, which led to the Queefs scoring. That is inexcusable.
2. Kotalik, from Slovakia. Ruff questioned his ability to fight thru pain and play.

[bduff54]

lol, Nolan. nice one.

[LALAFONTAINE]

He's from Europe.

[bduff54]

yeah i know, it was just a funny guy to add in there. I met him at an irish club in mississauga a couple of years ago. A really nice guy, loved his pints.

[Hockeystud1414]

That is racist, and here are your five:
Oliwa: led NHL in fights last season
Nazarov: 2nd in NHL in fights in 2002-3. Consistent fighter
Chara: more than 35 fights in his career; more than Mair
Petrovicky: more than 20 fights in his career
Nolan: more than 35 fights in his career; more than Avery

Toughness is not measured by whether you fight. Gratton is a pussy, and he fights. But he's afraid to carry his purse down the center of the ice. Afinogenov has no problems anywhere on the ice. Nor have I seen that of Tallinder.

The pussies that are on the Sabres are:
1. Brian Campbell, from Canada. If you'll recall, in the game against the Queefs last season, he avoided a bodycheck from Domi, which led to the Queefs scoring. That is inexcusable.
2. Kotalik, from Slovakia. Ruff questioned his ability to fight thru pain and play.
Chris drury and mike grier aren't pussys for sure, they stuck up for their teammate. Afinogenov has no problems, but never fights, or hits, or anything. He is afraid, tallinder is as well. That's a pussy in hockey. We have a lot more pussys on this roster other than ales and soupy. Not racist, look at the game! The ''NEW'' nhl. The last few years fighting has gone down why??? Europeans have expanded...sure you named 5, but a majority of fighters are from north america. And this isn't exactly a very physical game, and I am seeing very little fighting anymore. I would add on to your list of sabres....Max, henrik, Paille, vanek, numminen, pominville, and more! :deal: Bduff isn't racist nor am I.

[LALAFONTAINE]

If you take a hit to make a play and play hurt, you aren't a pussy.

Campbell and Kotalik have shown that they won't all the time.

Drury and Grier? Griere hasn't been in one fight this year. Nor has Drury. Are you changing your mind?

When has any on your list ever backed down from contact to make a play?