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sukie
December 22nd, 2005, 2:46:42 PM
Our Domestic Intelligence Crisis
By Richard A. Posner

Wednesday, December 21, 2005; Page A31

We've learned that the Defense Department is deeply involved in domestic intelligence (intelligence concerning threats to national security that unfold on U.S. soil). The department's National Security Agency has been conducting, outside the framework of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens within the United States. Other Pentagon agencies, notably the one known as Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA), have, as described in Walter Pincus's recent articles in The Post, been conducting domestic intelligence on a large scale. Although the CIFA's formal mission is to prevent attacks on military installations in the United States, the scale of its activities suggests a broader concern with domestic security. Other Pentagon agencies have gotten into the domestic intelligence act, such as the Information Dominance Center, which developed the Able Danger data-mining program.

These programs are criticized as grave threats to civil liberties. They are not. Their significance is in flagging the existence of gaps in our defenses against terrorism. The Defense Department is rushing to fill those gaps, though there may be better ways.

The collection, mainly through electronic means, of vast amounts of personal data is said to invade privacy. But machine collection and processing of data cannot, as such, invade privacy. Because of their volume, the data are first sifted by computers, which search for names, addresses, phone numbers, etc., that may have intelligence value. This initial sifting, far from invading privacy (a computer is not a sentient being), keeps most private data from being read by any intelligence officer.

The data that make the cut are those that contain clues to possible threats to national security. The only valid ground for forbidding human inspection of such data is fear that they might be used to blackmail or otherwise intimidate the administration's political enemies. That danger is more remote than at any previous period of U.S. history. Because of increased political partisanship, advances in communications technology and more numerous and competitive media, American government has become a sieve. No secrets concerning matters that would interest the public can be kept for long. And the public would be far more interested to learn that public officials were using private information about American citizens for base political ends than to learn that we have been rough with terrorist suspects -- a matter that was quickly exposed despite efforts at concealment.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act makes it difficult to conduct surveillance of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents unless they are suspected of being involved in terrorist or other hostile activities. That is too restrictive. Innocent people, such as unwitting neighbors of terrorists, may, without knowing it, have valuable counterterrorist information. Collecting such information is of a piece with data-mining projects such as Able Danger.

The goal of national security intelligence is to prevent a terrorist attack, not just punish the attacker after it occurs, and the information that enables the detection of an impending attack may be scattered around the world in tiny bits. A much wider, finer-meshed net must be cast than when investigating a specific crime. Many of the relevant bits may be in the e-mails, phone conversations or banking records of U.S. citizens, some innocent, some not so innocent. The government is entitled to those data, but just for the limited purpose of protecting national security.

The Pentagon's rush to fill gaps in domestic intelligence reflects the disarray in this vital yet neglected area of national security. The principal domestic intelligence agency is the FBI, but it is primarily a criminal investigation agency that has been struggling, so far with limited success, to transform itself. It is having trouble keeping its eye on the ball; an FBI official is quoted as having told the Senate that environmental and animal rights militants pose the biggest terrorist threats in the United States. If only that were so.

...more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/20/AR2005122001053.html

The writer is a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit and a senior lecturer in law at the University of Chicago.

nehemiah
December 22nd, 2005, 4:24:40 PM
[size=5]The data that make the cut are those that contain clues to possible threats to national security. The only valid ground for forbidding human inspection of such data is fear that they might be used to blackmail or otherwise intimidate the administration's political enemies. That danger is more remote than at any previous period of U.S. history. Because of increased political partisanship, advances in communications technology and more numerous and competitive media, American government has become a sieve. No secrets concerning matters that would interest the public can be kept for long. And the public would be far more interested to learn that public officials were using private information about American citizens for base political ends than to learn that we have been rough with terrorist suspects -- a matter that was quickly exposed despite efforts at concealment.this is the most secretive govt administration in recent history. there is ZERO oversight of the executive branch.

oy vey. please keep posting this stuff. i need a good guffaw today.

:rofl:

anEinherjer
December 22nd, 2005, 4:34:43 PM
I agree with nehe on this one. Way too much secrecy, the executive branch acts as if it's got absolute autonomy for some reason (well, we know the reason, but I won't start mumbling for nehe's sake ;)).

This one kills me:
The collection, mainly through electronic means, of vast amounts of personal data is said to invade privacy. But machine collection and processing of data cannot, as such, invade privacy. Because of their volume, the data are first sifted by computers, which search for names, addresses, phone numbers, etc., that may have intelligence value. This initial sifting, far from invading privacy (a computer is not a sentient being), keeps most private data from being read by any intelligence officer.

Oh yeah? And who says which names to watch for?

They could plug in "nehemiah" into their tools of evil and get all kinds of info on his commie bastard buddies. :D And gee, they don't need oversight because they'll only ever look up terrorists. Honest.

The "terrorist threat" is a pure strawman used by this (and subsequent) administrations to collect more power. Power that is not theirs to take.

Suk, this time, put down your partisan keyboard and understand this crosses our modern day left-right aisle.

sukie
December 22nd, 2005, 5:34:54 PM
No one says which names to search for "it" monitors everything in and out to a location or area and then filters. Aside. if you use a cordless phone, cell phone and a wireless server you are not provided for in any privacy act since there is zero expectation for privacy given the broadcast nature of the transmission. Ssame as a bull horn. Anyone can intercept your transmission after atrip to radioshack.

nehemiah
December 22nd, 2005, 5:36:20 PM
No one says which names to search for "it" monitors everything in and out to a location or area and then filters. Aside. if you use a cordless phone, cell phone and a wireless server you are not provided for in any privacy act since there is zero expectation for privacy given the broadcast nature of the transmission. Ssame as a bull horn. Anyone can intercept your transmission after atrip to radioshack.how do they collate data without searching for words?

crazy talk, sukie.

sukie
December 22nd, 2005, 5:38:18 PM
the non being finds key words... then that data is processed after the fact. It's a huge loop hole in your witch hunt. The constitution doesn't cover machines as of yet.

RabidBillsFan
December 22nd, 2005, 6:12:51 PM
the non being finds key words... then that data is processed after the fact. It's a huge loop hole in your witch hunt. The constitution doesn't cover machines as of yet.

Judge Posner has been against a majority of the right to privacy ever since Reagan successfully nominated him in 1981. 9/11 didn't change his opinion on what needed to be done!

35Pete
December 22nd, 2005, 11:30:16 PM
Are you sure that the judges name isn't Himler?

sukie
December 22nd, 2005, 11:35:24 PM
This opinion is why nothing will happen to Bush much to the Left's lament and those of my so called right wing compadres.