Billsman
December 21st, 2005, 10:08:09 PM
<TABLE cellSpacing=10 cellPadding=0 width=460 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=headGreen>Question</TD></TR><TR><TD class=question>The Patriot Act: What does the Patriot Act mean to me?</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.askquestions.org/img/buttons/meToo.gif (http://www.askquestions.org/metoo.php?id=23)</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.askquestions.org/img/lines/green.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=headOrange>Editor's Comments</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>The Patriot Act was passed into law on October 24, 2001, just six weeks after the events of 9/11. The Act is scheduled to expire at the end of this year, and Congress is currently debating what to do with it. You can read the Patriot Act online at this site: www.epic.org. (http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html)
A recent LA Times editorial outlines the issues under debate among lawmakers and makes some recommendations about how to improve the law: Checks on the Patriot Act (11/21/05). (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-patriot21nov21,0,6128606.story?coll=la-news-comment-editorials)
The US Department of Justice provides the argument in favor of the Patriot Act at a site: www.lifeandliberty.gov (http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/highlights.htm) that also gives the history of the act and updates to it.
For the other side of the picture, read analysis from the Electronic Freedom Foundation at: www.eff.org (http://www.eff.org/patriot/). This site also tracks new developments with the Patriot Act.</TD></TR><TR><TD>
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How was the PATRIOT ACT, which is over 300 pages long, released just 6 weeks after 9/11? Doesn't this suggest that it was written prior to 9/11 and 9/11 was just an excuse to ram it through Congress? And if so, who wrote it and why?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #2
I've heard that federal agents can demand information or records from a person and "gag" them EVEN to the point that they cannot consult a lawyer. This goes against my most basic understanding of our laws. Is this true? Is it possible that an agent can order you to give up records, documents, information and deny you the right to check with your own lawyer?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #3
Can we retain the few good provisions regarding information-sharing between agencies and get rid of the rest of the Patriot Act? If not, can we repeal the whole Patriot Act, and pass new legislation allowing the information-sharing?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #4
Was there a banking law enacted post 9/11 and maybe part of the Patriot Act that states bamk deposits a copy of a check is used instead of waiting for the actual check? Millions of bank deposits were held up for several days because of the inaccesibility of financial institutions in lower Manhattan.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #5
Here's an organization that has been a part of the forefront of resisting the Patriot Act and encouraging municipalities and states to pass legislation forbidding the enforcement of the Patriot Act: The Bill of Rights Defense Committee: www.bordc.org (http://www.bordc.org/) For an overview of how civil liberties have been trounced on by the Patriot Act and other "security measures," please take a look at a documentary called "Unconstitutional: The War on Our Civil Liberties." It can be found here: www.publicinterestpictures.org (http://www.publicinterestpictures.org/unconstitutional)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #6
What rights do I lose in the patriot act?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #7
One of the most dangerous parts of the Patriotic Act is Section 213 which allows for delayed notification of search warrants. Under the fourth amendment, the government needs a search warrant to search and seize anything from your residence or business. They notify you of this warrant usually when they knock on your door and enter your house. However, under the patriot act the government can delay notification of the search warrant if they find probable cause that adverse consequences qould occur if the suspect was aware of the search warrant. This means your residence or business or just you can be searched without notification. This part of the Patriotic Act has also led to the detainment of suspects under investigation for indefinite amounts of time. Though a judge would set the amount of time a suspect would remain in custody, the investigators have the ability to return to that judge and continue the investigation, thus keeping the person in detainment for even longer. In one known case, a suspect was originally put in custody for seven days. However the investigators were able to renew that time period 31 times. Thats more than seven months that that person has to spend in custody, out of work, under investigation, and cut off from the rest of his/her life. So thats one problem with the Patriot Act.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #8
I am receiving complicance fees on my invoices from vendors and they cite the Patriot Act as the reason. What are the guidelines and limits for these charges and does the funds go a governmental agency?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #9
How is the Bill of Rights doing? Immediately prior to 9/11, which of the first ten amendments to the Constitution were still truly in effect and which were being ignored? Since 9/11, what changes have occured in the status of these ten amendments?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #10
Although I do not pretend to know, or understand, the patriot act, it is very similar to a law that Hitler had made up on his second rise to power just before WWII. There was much said about it and anti passage campaigns just before it passed. Basically it is as the one comment said, The gov can demand any information about you or somebody you know, with or without your permission, if they suspect you of any wrong doing to the US. You must give them the information or risk arrest. You can not object, or risk arrest. Does sound a little familiar does it not?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #11
"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness. Get control of all means of publicity and thereby: Get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance. Destroy the peoples faith in their natural leaders by holding up the latter to ridicule, contempt and obloquy. Always preach true democracy but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible. Encourage government extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear with rising prices, inflation and general discontent. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a soft and lenient attitude on the part of government towards such disorders. By specious argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues: honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view of confiscating them and leaving the population defenseless."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #12
I was at a store last week, and the clerk asked if I would like to apply for a store credit card. One of the first questions on the application was my social security number. I asked why they needed my social security number and she said it was due to the Patriot Act. Is this true? Must we always give our social security number in order to get a credit card?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #13
Does the Patriot Act allow the U.S. Government to have access to your internet searches without obtaining a warrant?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #14
When will we realize that we have left the cage door open? We laugh at and scorn the Germans for their failure to stop Hitler and sneer "how could they not have done something?" well, guess what...How the hell could WE not have done something.....it's too late.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #15
The Patriot Act might affect you in that people like me who have been politically active, community oriented, outspoken on issues, involved in the electorial process and, may I say, generally interestring to have arond, have left the country in disgust! My family and I have moved to Europe because 1) We can have health care in the EU, 2.) Can't afford to live in the States, and 3.) Don't want to have the govt looking over my shoulder, threatening who knows what if I say the wrong thing. The American Empire is in it's death throas and I jumped ship! Now you have let them renew the Patriot Act. I see I was right to leave.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #16
The name of the legislation is perjorative. That says all you need to know about its sponsors!</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #17
It worries me very much that this is going on. I watch the movie Unconstitutional. I believe that things could become very bad. This ACT really makes people stop and think before they speak out against the government. It should not be this way. To me this is a government that has chosen the "by any means nessary" route. Right now they have the right to do whatever they want with out being qustioned about.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #18
District Court Judge Marrero of New York, in a 122-page ruling, said the FBI's use of secret searches without judicial review "violates the Fourth Amendment," and that the "nondisclosure provision" of the law which prevents one from telling anyone of your imprisonment to keep it a secret for national security reasons "violates the First Amendment" (by violating the right to "petition the government for a redress of grievances"). A Boston federal judge ordered the Justice Department to release a secret document it used to develop a new policy giving local police authority to check the immigration status of anyone suspected of lacking immigration documents (including US citizens, if they don’t look like US citizens to local police). Here are just a few of the ways in which your freedoms may be jeopardized by the act: Freedom of Association: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations. Freedom of Information: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests. Right to Legal Representation: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to US citizens accused of crimes. Freedom from Unreasonable Searches: Government may search and seize papers and effects owned by citizens without probable cause to assist terror investigations. Right to a Speedy and Public Trial: Government may jail anyone indefinitely without a trial, including US citizens. Right to Liberty: Anyone may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #19
I read at the time some blurb was added to this act - without notifying the politicians before the vote - about making Eli lilly(?) immune from lawsuits about mercury poisoning from vaccines (the mercury was way above regulations). Is it this act (I do remember it was sneakily added to a "fight-terrorism" type bill)? Is the ignorance of politicians before the vote an urban legend or not?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #20
What rights (according to to the patroit act) to the FBI have in regards to wiretapping?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
A recent LA Times editorial outlines the issues under debate among lawmakers and makes some recommendations about how to improve the law: Checks on the Patriot Act (11/21/05). (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-patriot21nov21,0,6128606.story?coll=la-news-comment-editorials)
The US Department of Justice provides the argument in favor of the Patriot Act at a site: www.lifeandliberty.gov (http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/highlights.htm) that also gives the history of the act and updates to it.
For the other side of the picture, read analysis from the Electronic Freedom Foundation at: www.eff.org (http://www.eff.org/patriot/). This site also tracks new developments with the Patriot Act.</TD></TR><TR><TD>
BACK TO TOP (http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=23#top_of_page)</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.askquestions.org/img/lines/green.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD class=headBlue>Public Comments</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #1
How was the PATRIOT ACT, which is over 300 pages long, released just 6 weeks after 9/11? Doesn't this suggest that it was written prior to 9/11 and 9/11 was just an excuse to ram it through Congress? And if so, who wrote it and why?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #2
I've heard that federal agents can demand information or records from a person and "gag" them EVEN to the point that they cannot consult a lawyer. This goes against my most basic understanding of our laws. Is this true? Is it possible that an agent can order you to give up records, documents, information and deny you the right to check with your own lawyer?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #3
Can we retain the few good provisions regarding information-sharing between agencies and get rid of the rest of the Patriot Act? If not, can we repeal the whole Patriot Act, and pass new legislation allowing the information-sharing?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #4
Was there a banking law enacted post 9/11 and maybe part of the Patriot Act that states bamk deposits a copy of a check is used instead of waiting for the actual check? Millions of bank deposits were held up for several days because of the inaccesibility of financial institutions in lower Manhattan.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #5
Here's an organization that has been a part of the forefront of resisting the Patriot Act and encouraging municipalities and states to pass legislation forbidding the enforcement of the Patriot Act: The Bill of Rights Defense Committee: www.bordc.org (http://www.bordc.org/) For an overview of how civil liberties have been trounced on by the Patriot Act and other "security measures," please take a look at a documentary called "Unconstitutional: The War on Our Civil Liberties." It can be found here: www.publicinterestpictures.org (http://www.publicinterestpictures.org/unconstitutional)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #6
What rights do I lose in the patriot act?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #7
One of the most dangerous parts of the Patriotic Act is Section 213 which allows for delayed notification of search warrants. Under the fourth amendment, the government needs a search warrant to search and seize anything from your residence or business. They notify you of this warrant usually when they knock on your door and enter your house. However, under the patriot act the government can delay notification of the search warrant if they find probable cause that adverse consequences qould occur if the suspect was aware of the search warrant. This means your residence or business or just you can be searched without notification. This part of the Patriotic Act has also led to the detainment of suspects under investigation for indefinite amounts of time. Though a judge would set the amount of time a suspect would remain in custody, the investigators have the ability to return to that judge and continue the investigation, thus keeping the person in detainment for even longer. In one known case, a suspect was originally put in custody for seven days. However the investigators were able to renew that time period 31 times. Thats more than seven months that that person has to spend in custody, out of work, under investigation, and cut off from the rest of his/her life. So thats one problem with the Patriot Act.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #8
I am receiving complicance fees on my invoices from vendors and they cite the Patriot Act as the reason. What are the guidelines and limits for these charges and does the funds go a governmental agency?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #9
How is the Bill of Rights doing? Immediately prior to 9/11, which of the first ten amendments to the Constitution were still truly in effect and which were being ignored? Since 9/11, what changes have occured in the status of these ten amendments?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #10
Although I do not pretend to know, or understand, the patriot act, it is very similar to a law that Hitler had made up on his second rise to power just before WWII. There was much said about it and anti passage campaigns just before it passed. Basically it is as the one comment said, The gov can demand any information about you or somebody you know, with or without your permission, if they suspect you of any wrong doing to the US. You must give them the information or risk arrest. You can not object, or risk arrest. Does sound a little familiar does it not?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #11
"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness. Get control of all means of publicity and thereby: Get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance. Destroy the peoples faith in their natural leaders by holding up the latter to ridicule, contempt and obloquy. Always preach true democracy but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible. Encourage government extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear with rising prices, inflation and general discontent. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a soft and lenient attitude on the part of government towards such disorders. By specious argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues: honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view of confiscating them and leaving the population defenseless."</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #12
I was at a store last week, and the clerk asked if I would like to apply for a store credit card. One of the first questions on the application was my social security number. I asked why they needed my social security number and she said it was due to the Patriot Act. Is this true? Must we always give our social security number in order to get a credit card?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #13
Does the Patriot Act allow the U.S. Government to have access to your internet searches without obtaining a warrant?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #14
When will we realize that we have left the cage door open? We laugh at and scorn the Germans for their failure to stop Hitler and sneer "how could they not have done something?" well, guess what...How the hell could WE not have done something.....it's too late.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #15
The Patriot Act might affect you in that people like me who have been politically active, community oriented, outspoken on issues, involved in the electorial process and, may I say, generally interestring to have arond, have left the country in disgust! My family and I have moved to Europe because 1) We can have health care in the EU, 2.) Can't afford to live in the States, and 3.) Don't want to have the govt looking over my shoulder, threatening who knows what if I say the wrong thing. The American Empire is in it's death throas and I jumped ship! Now you have let them renew the Patriot Act. I see I was right to leave.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #16
The name of the legislation is perjorative. That says all you need to know about its sponsors!</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #17
It worries me very much that this is going on. I watch the movie Unconstitutional. I believe that things could become very bad. This ACT really makes people stop and think before they speak out against the government. It should not be this way. To me this is a government that has chosen the "by any means nessary" route. Right now they have the right to do whatever they want with out being qustioned about.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #18
District Court Judge Marrero of New York, in a 122-page ruling, said the FBI's use of secret searches without judicial review "violates the Fourth Amendment," and that the "nondisclosure provision" of the law which prevents one from telling anyone of your imprisonment to keep it a secret for national security reasons "violates the First Amendment" (by violating the right to "petition the government for a redress of grievances"). A Boston federal judge ordered the Justice Department to release a secret document it used to develop a new policy giving local police authority to check the immigration status of anyone suspected of lacking immigration documents (including US citizens, if they don’t look like US citizens to local police). Here are just a few of the ways in which your freedoms may be jeopardized by the act: Freedom of Association: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations. Freedom of Information: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests. Right to Legal Representation: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to US citizens accused of crimes. Freedom from Unreasonable Searches: Government may search and seize papers and effects owned by citizens without probable cause to assist terror investigations. Right to a Speedy and Public Trial: Government may jail anyone indefinitely without a trial, including US citizens. Right to Liberty: Anyone may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #19
I read at the time some blurb was added to this act - without notifying the politicians before the vote - about making Eli lilly(?) immune from lawsuits about mercury poisoning from vaccines (the mercury was way above regulations). Is it this act (I do remember it was sneakily added to a "fight-terrorism" type bill)? Is the ignorance of politicians before the vote an urban legend or not?</TD></TR><TR><TD class=comments>Comment #20
What rights (according to to the patroit act) to the FBI have in regards to wiretapping?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>