THE GUY WE NEED IN THE DRAFT

[mshafer71]

Mario Williams................DE....the Bills have not had a dominant pass rusher since Bruce...this guy is lean and mean, tall and quick...a Bruce "look a like".....think of how much better our pass defense gets with him causing havoc on the QB....Williams is projected to go anywhere from the 4th to the 9th pick overall....considering the Bills would have the 5th overall if the season ended today, Williams might just be around....k, give me some feedback

[Norwoodsrevenge]

I wouldn't mind but we have more glaring needs. Our offensive line has been neglected for years.

[RabidBillsFan]

He is a beast and one heck of a DE, but...

Offensive line.. sorry!

[sukie]

I like the pick. Oline guys will still be there early second round. i don't want to spin the wheel on a Oline guy ala MW.

[RabidBillsFan]

I like the pick. Oline guys will still be there early second round. i don't want to spin the wheel on a Oline guy ala MW.

Who asked you, anyways?

I wanted a punter in the first round, but it was roundly criticized as "insane" and "********ed up". I can't figure out why!!! :gag:

;)

[eyedog]

I really like Mario W. And if he's available I also think they should take him but I really don't think he will be there when the Bills draft.
The o-line is deep this draft. They can take o-line with #2 and #3.
This guys to good to pass up imo.

[notacon]

Mario Williams................DE....the Bills have not had a dominant pass rusher since Bruce...this guy is lean and mean, tall and quick...a Bruce "look a like".....think of how much better our pass defense gets with him causing havoc on the QB....Williams is projected to go anywhere from the 4th to the 9th pick overall....considering the Bills would have the 5th overall if the season ended today, Williams might just be around....k, give me some feedback

Brilliant!

There are several reasons to use an early first round pick to draft a stud DE – pass rusher.

Immediate impact. If the prospect is a honest to goodness stud he can and will make a HUGE difference in winning games…from his first game! The pass rush this year has been pathetic…the almost total collapse of the defense is what cost us the season…NOT the QB’s!!! A disruptive pass rusher makes the secondary more effective. It makes even the best QB’s play bad games.

Rushing the passer is much simpler than protecting one.

Offensive lineman have a longer learning curve. It takes at least three years for a rookie O lineman to be a difference maker. Better to go to FA and get an experienced guy. This was easily the biggest TD blunder this past off season. He went the cheap route and went after two mediocre (other team’s reject) players instead of looking to the top of the market.

Spend a 2nd round choice on a tackle. The talent dropoff for a high second round OT is not very much.

Defense wins championships. No team has ever won the Super Bowl by just having an elite offense. But there have been wins with mainly elite defenses…Tampa Bay, Carolina and the NY Giants in 1991.

Buffalo had the most explosive offense in the league with everyone saying ‘you can’t stop the K-Gun’.

Yeah…right.

Kelly
Thurmon
Reed
Bruce Smith

We have solid prospects that mirror the first three on this list (not to say they will prosper to their full potential)…we do not have a stud pass rusher.

[Mouldsie]

I wouldn't mind but we have more glaring needs. Our offensive line has been neglected for years.
How is that more glaring? We are 31st on defense. We suck on both lines.
We don't necessarily need to fill our "most glaring" need with a rookie anyway. Free Agents are part of it too. We need interior OL more than anything IMO and that position is stacked in FAcy. I think D-line should be our first round pick unless someone like Reggie Bush or Matt Leinert are there.

[BillsFan0688]

I wouldn't mind getting a stud DE with our first pick since this draft will be so deep with offensive linemen. A guy like this on Schobel's opposite side would really help our pass rush. However, we definitely will need to pick up at least one O-linemen on the 1st day.

[Mouldsie]

****Defense wins championships.**** No team has ever won the Super Bowl by just having an elite offense. But there have been wins with mainly elite defenses…Tampa Bay, Carolina and the NY Giants in 1991.

Buffalo had the most explosive offense in the league with everyone saying ‘you can’t stop the K-Gun’.

Yeah…right.

There you go!

[mshafer71]

notacon for GM!!!!...knowing the Bills, we'll draft a kicker

[Sledgecammer]

Guys - The problem the Bills have on D-Line is in the middle, not at the ends.. Aaron Schobel is quietly having a really good year, but noone notices because of all that yardage the team gives up on runs up the gut.. Ron Edwards will never be a great player, Tim Anderson and Justin Bannan are usually overmatched, and the team has missed Pat Williams something terrible. Sam Adams has been invisible for most of the season.. If drafting for D-Line, we need tackles, not ends... How about Rodrigue Wright out of Texas???

[nehemiah]

Guys - The problem the Bills have on D-Line is in the middle, not at the ends.. Aaron Schobel is quietly having a really good year, but noone notices because of all that yardage the team gives up on runs up the gut.. Ron Edwards will never be a great player, Tim Anderson and Justin Bannan are usually overmatched, and the team has missed Pat Williams something terrible. Sam Adams has been invisible for most of the season.. If drafting for D-Line, we need tackles, not ends...+1

build from the middle out.

[Mouldsie]

RODRIQUE WRIGHT SUCKS


I keep hearing his name and I just needed to say that.

[nehemiah]

RODRIQUE WRIGHT SUCKS


I keep hearing his name and I just needed to say that.how about Ngata?

[FknGvna]

Guys - The problem the Bills have on D-Line is in the middle, not at the ends.. Aaron Schobel is quietly having a really good year, but noone notices because of all that yardage the team gives up on runs up the gut.. Ron Edwards will never be a great player, Tim Anderson and Justin Bannan are usually overmatched, and the team has missed Pat Williams something terrible. Sam Adams has been invisible for most of the season.. If drafting for D-Line, we need tackles, not ends... How about Rodrigue Wright out of Texas???

Let me sift out this ol Pot 'O Gumbo and say that, Sorry bro., We are Weakest on the edges. Have been for years. That's NEs bread and butter against us. Our DEs are crap in run support. That's why I emplore us us get Ngata and splurge on Howard. LEs hold the point of attack and Hanson did it marvelously, while making tackles for loss. If you go Schobel, Adams, Williams. Bannan is going to have to start at DT. Or Ron. Or LaWaylon Brown. Not many FA DTs out there and if we can't make a run at DH, Vanden Bosch would be available.

[emo]

how does wright suck?

mario williams is an exceptional pick and best first round pickt he bills could make

defense wins championships? the rams defense wasn't anythign spectacular, but I do believe they are the exception that proves that rule

[mshafer71]

How about Rodrigue Wright out of Texas???

this guy's not even on some peoples first round list!!!!!!!!!!!!....if you want a DT (and that is not what I think we need first), I would go with Haloti Ngata out of Oregon...he is big like P. Williams and he is quick...projected to go 7th-17th.....but again, give me Bruce Smith...this team/fans so badly need a guy who can cream his opponent...I know, London and Takeo do this for us, but usually because the D-line let a big play happen...AND...Schoebel??????????!!!!!!...please.. .this guy WILL NEVER be a dominant DE...but he will be a very nice compliment to a demon DE....again though, this arguement is moot considering the Bills will probably draft a kicker/RB/WR/QB

[FknGvna]

How about Rodrigue Wright out of Texas???

this guy's not even on some peoples first round list!!!!!!!!!!!!....if you want a DT (and that is not what I think we need first), I would go with Haloti Ngata out of Oregon...he is big like P. Williams and he is quick...projected to go 7th-17th.....but again, give me Bruce Smith...this team/fans so badly need a guy who can cream his opponent...I know, London and Takeo do this for us, but usually because the D-line let a big play happen...AND...Schoebel??????????!!!!!!...please.. .this guy WILL NEVER be a dominant DE...but he will be a very nice compliment to a demon DE....again though, this arguement is moot considering the Bills will probably draft a kicker/RB/WR/QB

Watch the Penn State game and watch a future star show you now it's done. I think he's just as good as Williams. He's a Monster in run support Too. Can't you just see him and Ngata smothering Corey Dillon?

[Buffal0B1LLs_fan]

Immediate impact. If the prospect is a honest to goodness stud he can and will make a HUGE difference in winning games…from his first game! The pass rush this year has been pathetic…the almost total collapse of the defense is what cost us the season…NOT the QB’s!!! A disruptive pass rusher makes the secondary more effective. It makes even the best QB’s play bad games.

Rushing the passer is much simpler than protecting one.

Offensive lineman have a longer learning curve. It takes at least three years for a rookie O lineman to be a difference maker. Better to go to FA and get an experienced guy. This was easily the biggest TD blunder this past off season. He went the cheap route and went after two mediocre (other team’s reject) players instead of looking to the top of the market.

Spend a 2nd round choice on a tackle. The talent dropoff for a high second round OT is not very much.

Defense wins championships. No team has ever won the Super Bowl by just having an elite offense. But there have been wins with mainly elite defenses…Tampa Bay, Carolina and the NY Giants in 1991.


I think we'll beat the Jets, and thus he may be already gone when our pick comes around, however I agree you've got to take Wiliams if he's available.

DT's and OL are desparate needs, but as mentioned, OL's are deep in both draft, and FA.We've got an extra third from the Travis deal, and should get some decent round compensatory picks for JJ, and Big Pat.

We should be able to get some decent help in the middle of both lines on the first day of the draft.

[Mouldsie]

how about Ngata?
Ngata is awesome as far as I can tell.

Tune in Dec 29
8 p.m. ET - Pacific Life Holiday Bowl, Oregon vs Oklahoma

(Davin Joseph Guard for Oklahoma is a beast too)

[Buffal0B1LLs_fan]

Ngata is awesome as far as I can tell.

Tune in Dec 29
8 p.m. ET - Pacific Life Holiday Bowl, Oregon vs Oklahoma

(Davin Johnson Guard for Oklahoma is a beast too)

Yea, if we miss out on Mario, this is the guy to grab.

[Norwoodsrevenge]

How is that more glaring? We are 31st on defense. We suck on both lines.
We don't necessarily need to fill our "most glaring" need with a rookie anyway. Free Agents are part of it too. We need interior OL more than anything IMO and that position is stacked in FAcy. I think D-line should be our first round pick unless someone like Reggie Bush or Matt Leinert are there.

I agree with you on the point of both lines needing some help but, I say glaring because the only lineman worth anything since Donahoe has been drafting for us left last off-season. Our defense may have been better if we would have been ale to control the clock more on offense (the one game that stands out is Tampa.) I understand that we hardy run, but I think even MM has no faith in that group of slobs.

[cahippo]

That high of a pick doesnt bode well for drafting interior lineman. DT of DE. The only people I want drafted on the first day should end with -lineman. DE, DT, G, G. Then Safeties and corners.

[JReygers]

Yeah, I've ran into Mario Williams at this restaurant I work at in Raleigh. And I mean, literally ran into him. I was staring at the television and not really paying attention where I was walking. It was like I walked into a wall. I looked up and was like "whoa". The guy is a beast and I would definately like to see him in a Bills uni. Buffalo might actually be able to pressure quarterbacks with a four man rush.

[treydawg]

Tamba

[mshafer71]

Why has this post been sent to Purgatory?.....

[1968_bills_fan]

A pass rush up the middle is what was missing this year. We should trade down and use our first pick on a big DT and then go guard/guard/DT. Adams is quickly going over the hill, Bannan is a good, blue collar backup. Edwards and Anderson are just okay as your 2nd best DT, but nothing that the opponent has to plan around. You will be surprised how good our present DE's will look when there is a good push up the middle on defense, and an interior offensive line that controls the ball and puts points on the board.

[FknGvna]

Why has this post been sent to Purgatory?.....

It's not. It's a continuation from last offseason. Called 'Paying the Bills'. FA, draftee talk.

[gonzo1105]

I'm sorry but our d-line is against the run. If we took Mario Williams, I would think that is the best possibly pick for a couple of reasons. First he is not just a "pass rusher" the dude is big 285 pounds. He can deal run support and get to the passer with his 4.5 speed. I'm not against taking a DT in the first, Ngata sounds like a good player, but I would rather sign a run stuffing DT like Ma'ake Kemoeatu, who starts for the Ravens this year and weight 350 pounds. Plus I think Kemoeatu will come fairly cheap on the open market. Fill the needs of o-line in FA and then take Broderick Bunkley/ Gabe Watson in the 2nd. That would be a good d-line of Williams, Kemoeatu, Bunkley, Schobel

[IhatethePats]

He is a beast and one heck of a DE, but...

Offensive line.. sorry!

The Front 4 is not good enough...I say draft a DE or DT #1 and depending on cap room get the best LT you can in free agency.

Draft Interior O-Lineman in the middle rounds to develop but get a Vet. at LT.

[FknGvna]

Colledge one of the best?

http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showplayer.php?key=Daryn%20Colledge

[Mouldsie]

Yessir

[jjm19672000]

Mario Williams................DE....the Bills have not had a dominant pass rusher since Bruce...this guy is lean and mean, tall and quick...a Bruce "look a like".....think of how much better our pass defense gets with him causing havoc on the QB....Williams is projected to go anywhere from the 4th to the 9th pick overall....considering the Bills would have the 5th overall if the season ended today, Williams might just be around....k, give me some feedback

I can't see how DE would be more of a need than DT. Adams is gone, and Anderson, Bannan, etc., haven't shown that much.

That being said, I'm not sold on the most popular pick mentioned for us if wse go the DT route, Ngota. There are teams in the NFL who can get a solid defense on the firled without big 330-guys, so why can't we?

First of all, I don't like the job Krumrie has done. He's gotten 3 2nd-round picks (Schoebel, Kelsay, Denney), 2 third-rounders (Edwards, Anderson), a 5th-rounder (Bannon) and a 6th-rounder (Sape). The result? We can't stop the run with out the SS and we can't mount a pass-rush without the blitz.

[Merk]

I'm sorry but our d-line is against the run. If we took Mario Williams, I would think that is the best possibly pick for a couple of reasons. First he is not just a "pass rusher" the dude is big 285 pounds. He can deal run support and get to the passer with his 4.5 speed. I'm not against taking a DT in the first, Ngata sounds like a good player, but I would rather sign a run stuffing DT like Ma'ake Kemoeatu, who starts for the Ravens this year and weight 350 pounds. Plus I think Kemoeatu will come fairly cheap on the open market. Fill the needs of o-line in FA and then take Broderick Bunkley/ Gabe Watson in the 2nd. That would be a good d-line of Williams, Kemoeatu, Bunkley, Schobel



Bunkley wont make it out of the first round(more than likey a top 25 pick) and Watson is sombody I dont want anything to do w/, I can see him dropping to the 3rd or maybe even the 2nd day. Kyle Williams, Jonathan Lewis, or Montavious Stanley are 3 options that would be there in the 2nd though

[FknGvna]

Bunkley wont make it out of the first round(more than likey a top 25 pick) and Watson is sombody I dont want anything to do w/, I can see him dropping to the 3rd or maybe even the 2nd day. Kyle Williams, Jonathan Lewis, or Montavious Stanley are 3 options that would be there in the 2nd though


That's why I say Ngata in the first, cuz the drop off is MAJOR.

[Merk]

That's why I say Ngata in the first, cuz the drop off is MAJOR.



It will be an interesting choice for us if both Williams and Ngata are there when we pick


I think Williams has more potential but Ngata is more ready



I've been saying Williams all along but the more I think about it the more I think I would take Ngata

[FknGvna]

Colledge one of the best?

http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showplayer.php?key=Daryn%20Colledge


http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/daryn_colledge.html

He’s the complete package as a tackle prospect

[jjm19672000]

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/daryn_colledge.html

He’s the complete package as a tackle prospect

He'd be a good prospect, but will he be able to develop quickly? IIRC, Gandy has one more year on his contract.

[FknGvna]

This is the type of guy you should build your team around. Guys who people Want to play for.

http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showplayer.php?key=Darryl%20Tapp

An explosive young performer who is poised to take over a starting role at defensive end ... Has all-star ability ... Plays hard and plays fast ...

[Mouldsie]

Tapp has been the lunch pail owner for every game but 1 the last 2 years.... awarded to the hardest working player on the field in the previous game. He'd be a fan favorite and looking at the squat and 40 numbers he could be very productive as well.

[njsue]

[QUOTE=notacon]Brilliant!

There are several reasons to use an early first round pick to draft a stud DE – pass rusher.

Immediate impact. If the prospect is a honest to goodness stud he can and will make a HUGE difference in winning games…from his first game! The pass rush this year has been pathetic…the almost total collapse of the defense is what cost us the season…NOT the QB’s!!! A disruptive pass rusher makes the secondary more effective. It makes even the best QB’s play bad games.

Rushing the passer is much simpler than protecting one.

I would love to have another Julius Peppers type player to strengthen the Defense. Your right the bills d has slipped. Putting a speedy dominant DE back on the field to support AAron Schoebel.

It will be like Bruce & Phill again.

[FknGvna]

These are Dlines I like:

Schobel, Adams, Ngata, D. Howard.

Schobel, Adams, Hovan, Williams.

It's too tough to choose.

[jjm19672000]

[QUOTE=notacon]Brilliant!

There are several reasons to use an early first round pick to draft a stud DE – pass rusher.

Immediate impact. If the prospect is a honest to goodness stud he can and will make a HUGE difference in winning games…from his first game! The pass rush this year has been pathetic…the almost total collapse of the defense is what cost us the season…NOT the QB’s!!! A disruptive pass rusher makes the secondary more effective. It makes even the best QB’s play bad games.

Rushing the passer is much simpler than protecting one.

I would love to have another Julius Peppers type player to strengthen the Defense. Your right the bills d has slipped. Putting a speedy dominant DE back on the field to support AAron Schoebel.

It will be like Bruce & Phill again.

But does it help DTs stuff the run?