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35Pete
December 21st, 2005, 1:00:49 PM
Military chaplains told to shy from Jesus

To pray -- or not to pray -- in Jesus' name is the question plaguing an increasing number of U.S. military chaplains, one of whom began a multiday hunger strike outside the White House yesterday.
"I am a Navy chaplain being fired because I pray in Jesus' name," said Navy Lt. Gordon Klingenschmitt, who will be holding 6 p.m. prayer vigils daily in Lafayette Park.
The hunger strike is intended to persuade President Bush to issue an executive order allowing military chaplains to pray according to their individual faith traditions. The American Center for Law and Justice has gathered 173,000 signatures on a petition seeking an executive order.
Seventy-three members of Congress have joined the request, saying in an Oct. 25 letter to the president, "In all branches of the military, it is becoming increasingly difficult for Christian chaplains to use the name of Jesus when praying."
About 80 percent of U.S. troops are Christian, the legislators wrote, adding that military "censorship" of chaplains' prayers disenfranchises "hundreds of thousands of Christian soldiers in the military who look to their chaplains for comfort, inspiration and support."
Official military policy allows any sort of prayer, but Lt. Klingenschmitt says that in reality, evangelical Protestant prayers are censored. He cites his training at the Navy Chaplains School in Newport, R.I., where "they have clipboards and evaluators who evaluate your prayers, and they praise you if you pray just to God," he said. "But if you pray in Jesus' name, they counsel you."
Muslim, Jewish and Roman Catholic chaplains are likewise told not to pray in the name of Allah, in Hebrew or in the name of the Trinity, he added.
But the Rev. Billy Baugham, executive director of the Greenville, S.C.-based International Conference of Evangelical Chaplain Endorsers, says restrictions on other religious expressions have "yet to be tested."
"No Islamic chaplain has been refused to pray in the name of Allah, as far as we know. Neither has a rabbi been rebuked for making references to Hanukkah, and no Catholic priest has been rebuked for referring to the Blessed Virgin Mary."
The Navy allows chaplains to pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Allah or any other deity during chapel services, spokeswoman Lt. Erin Bailey said.
At other public events, "Navy chaplains are encouraged to be sensitive to the needs of all those present," she said, "and may decline an invitation to pray if not able to do so for conscience reasons."
Lt. Klingenschmitt has not been formally punished, she added, and there are no plans to take him off active duty.

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051221-121224-6972r.htm

г
December 21st, 2005, 1:09:03 PM
They should send him to Guantanano and force-feed him...

gilchristfan
December 21st, 2005, 1:19:01 PM
"I am a Navy chaplain being fired because I pray in Jesus' name," said Navy Lt. Gordon Klingenschmitt, who will be holding 6 p.m. prayer vigils daily in Lafayette Park."


"Lt. Klingenschmitt has not been formally punished, she added, and there are no plans to take him off active duty. "

---thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

nehemiah
December 21st, 2005, 1:52:47 PM
jesus grabbed my ass once. he was wasted, though... i just chalked it up to the wine. but i have shied away from him ever since.

35Pete
December 21st, 2005, 5:04:01 PM
jesus grabbed my ass once. he was wasted, though... i just chalked it up to the wine. but i have shied away from him ever since.
You do realize that you are going straight to hell for that statement, don't you?

sukie
December 21st, 2005, 5:22:01 PM
Great... Nehe and i can party.

35Pete
December 21st, 2005, 5:24:29 PM
Great... Nehe and i can party.
Wait until the devil tosses you into a coal fired furnace ever hour for the next 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years. You'll really want that cold one to cool you off.

RabidBillsFan
December 21st, 2005, 5:25:09 PM
Military chaplains told to shy from Jesus

To pray -- or not to pray -- in Jesus' name is the question plaguing an increasing number of U.S. military chaplains, one of whom began a multiday hunger strike outside the White House yesterday.
"I am a Navy chaplain being fired because I pray in Jesus' name," said Navy Lt. Gordon Klingenschmitt, who will be holding 6 p.m. prayer vigils daily in Lafayette Park.

What is SO hard about praying in God's name?

This Evangelical movement that uses Jesus and the New Testament is a HECK of a lot more selective than incorporating God and the Bible...

It is very troubling to me that Jesus is used as a marketing tool for Evangelical Christianity around the world. Very troubling.

sukie
December 21st, 2005, 5:27:15 PM
Wait until the devil tosses you into a coal fired furnace ever hour for the next 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years. You'll really want that cold one to cool you off.
Pete don't you know the evil things one partakes in is what is in hell... heaven has clouds and harps... i'll take hell HAPPY HOUR for eternity.

35Pete
December 21st, 2005, 5:29:11 PM
Pete don't you know the evil things one partakes in is what is in hell... heaven has clouds and harps... i'll take hell HAPPY HOUR for eternity.
Ahh but the finest brews and liquors are served in heaven. Where else can you get a 100 billion year old scotch? All without the eternal roasting over hot coals. Sucks to be you.

sukie
December 21st, 2005, 5:30:32 PM
Nope just watery wine

mighty peace warrior
December 21st, 2005, 9:20:47 PM
Military Chaplins are supposed to be non denominational

nehemiah
December 21st, 2005, 9:24:36 PM
You do realize that you are going straight to hell for that statement, don't you?for what?

he's the one who grabbed my ass! i was just an unwitting bystander standing there next to a horny, drunken, lecherous jesus.

btw, after i turned him down... he went with some hooker into the bathroom. about 20 minutes later he came out sniffing and wiping his nose while fixing up his robe.

it was a great party, man! :rockon:


MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE!

Meathead
December 22nd, 2005, 2:01:29 AM
im torn on this

on one hand chaplains are supposed to represent all faiths, at least to some degree

on the other hand, jesus was the man and keeping his close image as a measure to share with others isnt such a bad thing

but i can see where a measure could turn into evangelical proselytising and make others uncomfortable - ie. west point

i would think it standard training for a chaplain to inquire about a soldiers faith and tailor guidance appropriately. it isnt that hard because core values are very often shared among traditions

Meathead
December 22nd, 2005, 2:02:20 AM
and you are so going to hell

ckg68
December 22nd, 2005, 9:23:46 PM
You do realize that you are going straight to hell for that statement, don't you?

ONLY I CAN DETERMINE WHO IS GOING TO HELL OR NOT.

NOT PEOPLE ON A BULLETIN BOARD.

GOD HAS SPOKEN.

OUT.