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35Pete
December 21st, 2005, 8:19:45 AM
Russia's Flat-Tax Miracle

It’s never fun to admit failure. But Russia’s 13 percent flat tax forces me to confess a certain degree of incompetence. For 10 years, I’ve been working in Washington to replace our convoluted tax code with a simple and fair flat tax. But as every taxpayer can attest, my efforts have not borne fruit.

Yet in Russia, President Vladimir Putin -- the former head of the Soviet KGB -- implemented a flat tax in 2001. Not only a flat tax, but a flat tax with a 13 percent rate, four percentage points lower than the supposedly “radical” plan espoused by Steve Forbes and former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. And it’s been a big success.

Imagine how this makes me feel. I’ve tried to help reform the tax system in the United States, a nation the rest of the world considers the home of unfettered capitalism and free-market principles. Yet every year, our tax code gets bigger and more complicated. In Russia, by contrast, the flat tax has been in place for more than two years now. And this reform took place in a nation still trying to overcome the legacy of more than 70 years of communist dictatorship.

Remember the saying: “To the victors go the spoils”? It must not be true. We won the Cold War, but Russia gets a flat tax while America is stuck with a Byzantine tax system based on class-warfare ideology.

But perhaps our luck will change. The Russian flat tax has been so successful that even American politicians might learn the right lessons. Let’s look at the evidence: Russia’s economy has expanded by about 10 percent since it adopted a flat tax. That may not be spectacular, but it’s better than the United States, and it’s very impressive compared to the anemic growth rates we see elsewhere in Europe.

It also appears, conventional wisdom aside, that a low tax rate doesn’t mean less money for government. Over the last two years, inflation-adjusted income tax revenue in Russia has grown 50 percent. Why? Because people are willing to produce more and pay their taxes when the system if fair and tax rates are low -- exactly what Ronald Reagan predicted when he triggered America’s economic boom with lower tax rates 20 years ago. Ironically, the former communists in Moscow now understand supply-side economics, yet liberals in Congress are still relying on the politics of hate-and-envy.

Interestingly, the flat tax is just one of several positive reforms enacted by President Putin. Russia also has reduced the corporate rate of tax from 35 percent to 24 percent. (U.S.-based companies still pay 35 percent, the second-highest corporate tax among industrialized nations). Small businesses also get better treatment. The old system with high tax rates has been replaced by a new system where companies can choose either a 6 percent tax on gross revenue or a 15 percent tax on profits.

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http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed032403.cfm

nehemiah
December 21st, 2005, 8:24:03 AM
:rofl:

you are totally a communist.

nehemiah
December 21st, 2005, 8:24:34 AM
Russia’s economy has expanded by about 10 percent since it adopted a flat tax.

that's because it sucked in the beginning. 10 percent of 0 is still 0.

35Pete
December 21st, 2005, 8:32:29 AM
You really believe that progressive taxation is not evil?

nehemiah
December 21st, 2005, 8:33:06 AM
You really believe that progressive taxation is not evil?are you kidding me?

why would you use a word like "evil"? little flamboyant, eh?

35Pete
December 21st, 2005, 8:34:16 AM
It is evil. It punishes those that contribute most to society.

sukie
December 21st, 2005, 8:35:48 AM
hate and envy Pete... Best part of the article. HATE & ENVY. It's on the PRS every day.

nehemiah
December 21st, 2005, 8:40:56 AM
if you are not communists, why do you point to russia, or as you call it "the motherland", when discussing economics?

35Pete
December 21st, 2005, 8:43:03 AM
I already admitted to being a commie bastard. All things belong to the masses. So if people own things then they belong to the masses.

sukie
December 21st, 2005, 8:43:11 AM
We do not want the central government controlling everything. We look at infantilecapitalism to get a purer sense of what could be. this is not communism you "trekkie". Sign up for MUFON yet?

nehemiah
December 21st, 2005, 8:46:56 AM
We do not want the central government controlling everything. We look at infantilecapitalism to get a purer sense of what could be. this is not communism you "trekkie". Sign up for MUFON yet?i've never been abducted... so no, haven't signed up for MUFON. i also find star trek tedious... so no, not a trekkie.

you, sukiemiah, are a communist in everything except medicine. the only reason for that is you are a greedy communist. a future party leader in the new stalinist amerikkka.

sukie
December 21st, 2005, 8:49:38 AM
Well since we were looking at mother Russia... through quick extrappolation.. I easily deducted from the other thread that you are a trekkie and MUFON member from your recent sci fi conference. Easy conclusion really. Kinda like suv's warming the planet.

nehemiah
December 21st, 2005, 8:51:35 AM
Well since we were looking at mother Russia... through quick extrappolation.. I easily deducted from the other thread that you are a trekkie and MUFON member from your recent sci fi conference. Easy conclusion really. Kinda like suv's warming the planet.easy conclusion... and yet, you were 0 for 2. really the story of the republicans, eh?

sukie
December 21st, 2005, 8:53:39 AM
Dead on. Live long and prosper. I'll get a Shatner autograph for ya on EBay.

anEinherjer
December 21st, 2005, 11:10:57 AM
Okay, so beyond the "you're a commie", "no you are!" silliness, is there any hope for tax reform in the near future in the US? Any way you look at it, the current tax code is way too complicated.

The Founders would die all over again if they saw the abomination that is the current US tax code...

sukie
December 21st, 2005, 11:22:34 AM
Nope no chance. Not in my lifetime anyway.

bigdog
December 22nd, 2005, 12:59:26 PM
This liberal is all for a flat or consumption tax.

I've researched the pros and cons and have decided it makes more sense than our current tax system under control of the too powerful IRS.

I prefer the consumption tax over the flat tax.

35Pete
December 22nd, 2005, 1:01:05 PM
This liberal is all for a flat or consumption tax.

I've researched the pros and cons and have decided it makes more sense than our current tax system under control of the too powerful IRS.

I prefer the consumption tax over the flat tax.
It would encourage savings. And the weathly would pay a considerable amount on their BMWs, big houses, and yachts. I don't know why both liberals and conservatives would oppose this.

anEinherjer
December 22nd, 2005, 5:17:51 PM
I'm with you, bigdog - consumption tax is The Way To Go.

Nehe has argued against it in the past by claiming the poor would be hurt most by it, but there are easy ways around that.

Hit up the frigging rich jerkoffs and their million dollar mansions. They are the only ones who can pay the exorbitant fees of the tax experts to avoid paying taxes. Consumption taxes kick ass.

Green Lantern
December 22nd, 2005, 6:06:07 PM
It would encourage savings. And the weathly would pay a considerable amount on their BMWs, big houses, and yachts. I don't know why both liberals and conservatives would oppose this.

Don't change the tax code. I like it with all the loopholes for business owners. I pay almost no taxes at all. The more byzantine the better. It is the suckers who are not self-employed that get screwed.

That sounds like it favors capitalism to me.

sukie
December 22nd, 2005, 11:28:40 PM
Aqua... Amway's payin off for you then, huh?