conservatives want to impeach bush

[nehemiah]

QUESTION: Is spying on the American people as impeachable an offense as lying about having sex with an intern?

BRUCE FEIN, constitutional scholar and former deputy attorney general in the Reagan Administration: I think the answer requires at least in part considering what the occupant of the presidency says in the aftermath of wrongdoing or rectification. On its face, if President Bush is totally unapologetic and says I continue to maintain that as a war-time President I can do anything I want – I don’t need to consult any other branches – that is an impeachable offense. It’s more dangerous than Clinton’s lying under oath because it jeopardizes our democratic dispensation and civil liberties for the ages. It would set a precedent that … would lie around like a loaded gun, able to be used indefinitely for any future occupant.

NORM ORNSTEIN, AEI scholar: I think if we’re going to be intellectually honest here, this really is the kind of thing that Alexander Hamilton was referring to when impeachment was discussed.
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/05/12/19.php

His explanation fueled more anger over the domestic spying, and some legal experts asserted that Bush broke the law on a scale that could warrant his impeachment.

"The president's dead wrong. It's not a close question. Federal law is clear," said Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University and a specialist in surveillance law. "When the president admits that he violated federal law, that raises serious constitutional questions of high crimes and misdemeanors."
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/charlotte/news/13446592.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_news

[sukie]

yawn... (ball scratch)

[nehemiah]

conservatives, sukie... not commies like you.

[sukie]

Nothing will happen and you'll need a Paxil refill. God it sucks to be your kind... Always waiting for governmental handouts in healthcare and old age monetary insurance. Ah well. I guess you'll learn to cope. Hope the fact that the government will never control oil prices and the stripping of the Alaskan environment won't cause you to ask Pete to borrow from his arsenal ... Sorry pal, I feel for ya, (kinda of) hee hee!

[nehemiah]

Nothing will happen and you'll need a Paxil refill. God it sucks to be your kind... Always waiting for governmental handouts in healthcare and old age monetary insurance. Ah well. I guess you'll learn to cope. Hope the fact that the government will never control oil prices and the stripping of the Alaskan environment won't cause you to ask Pete to borrow from his arsenal ... Sorry pal, I feel for ya, (kinda of) hee hee!got a job. and a retirement account. well funded, thanks... i don't want your handouts.

someday you'll open your eyes, shake off the hangover, and see the real world.

[sukie]

Okay maybe not for you but for all you cherish dear... The homeless. Same applies from my earlier post.

[nehemiah]

Okay maybe not for you but for all you cherish dear... The homeless. Same applies from my earlier post.got a soul too.

maybe someday you'll find yours. it's probably hidden in your closet of partisan hackery.

[sukie]

My heart will never bleed toward communism. The government is not a charity. It is not setup that way.

[nehemiah]

My heart will never bleed toward communism. The government is not a charity. It is not setup that way.you're the one who thinks the govt should get involved in the economy, not me.

you are already a communist.

[sukie]

When did I post that?

[TRIPLE P]

God it sucks to be your kind... Always waiting for governmental handouts ... old age monetary insurance. !

what old age handouts?

[sukie]

social security... I've already declared it dead.

[Jro]

<tt><tt>CLINTON EXECUTIVE ORDER: SECRET SEARCH ON AMERICANS -- WITHOUT COURT ORDER...

CARTER EXECUTIVE ORDER: 'ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE' WITHOUT COURT ORDER... (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm) </tt></tt>

[sukie]

But Bush is evil..... so he is guilty.

[rocky]

If Bush violated the law---Which HE Did---he should be impeached!
:judge:

[Jro]

how did he violate the law?

[JoeMama]

If I see another paxil joke from the twinkle twins, I'm going choke on my own vomit.

[nehemiah]

President Bush presents a clear and present danger to the rule of law. He cannot be trusted to conduct the war against global terrorism with a decent respect for civil liberties and checks against executive abuses. Congress should swiftly enact a code that would require Mr. Bush to obtain legislative consent for every counterterrorism measure that would materially impair individual freedoms.
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/bfein.htm

[nehemiah]

<tt><tt>CLINTON EXECUTIVE ORDER: SECRET SEARCH ON AMERICANS -- WITHOUT COURT ORDER...

CARTER EXECUTIVE ORDER: 'ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE' WITHOUT COURT ORDER... (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm) </tt></tt>stop lying, jro. it's unbecoming of an admin of your stature.

What Drudge says:
Clinton, February 9, 1995: “The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order”

What Clinton actually signed:
Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) [50 U.S.C. 1822(a)] of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance] Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.

That section requires the Attorney General to certify is the search will not involve “the premises, information, material, or property of a United States person.” That means U.S. citizens or anyone inside of the United States.



What Drudge says:
Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: “Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order.”

What Carter’s executive order actually says:
1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section.

What the Attorney General has to certify under that section is that the surveillance will not contain “the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party.” So again, no U.S. persons are involved.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/drudge-fact-check

[sukie]

If I see another paxil joke from the twinkle twins, I'm going choke on my own vomit.

http://www.buriedaliveillustrations.com/cartoonpolitic/paxil03.jpg

[nehemiah]

how did he violate the law?he authorized taps without FISA warrants. that's breaking the law.

[Jro]

no it's not.

[nehemiah]

no it's not.are you pretending to be gw bush?

[Jro]

What law did he break?

[nehemiah]

FISA is a law. and the fourth amendment.

[Jro]

keep reading... you might find some other interesting rules/laws/authority type things :)

[nehemiah]

keep reading... you might find some other interesting rules/laws/authority type things :):scratch: now you're channeling sukie. :D

impeach jro!

[sukie]

No he's not channeling me... he's a micron to my left.

[iakona]

My heart will never bleed toward communism. The government is not a charity. It is not setup that way.

It's set up to make the people who run it rich!

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators."
-- P. J. O'Rourke (http://commonsense.wnymedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=36)

[35Pete]

It's set up to make the people who run it rich!

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators."
-- P. J. O'Rourke (http://commonsense.wnymedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=36)

Ohh the rich again. They are the reason that you are a malcontent. They are the root of all your problems. :barf:

[iakona]

Ohh the rich again. They are the reason that you are a malcontent. They are the root of all your problems. :barf:

No, they are the root of all our problems. The idea that the average citizen has as much pull with legislators as a corporation does is BS. And don't say our vote matters because Dem or Rep, they adhere to money, big money. That's how they keep their perk filled jobs. I am not a malcontent, by the way.