Will the Streak continue?

Assuming that Flutie starts next week as well.

How many other QBs in this league have led a 7 game losing streak, possibly going to 8 or 9? Anyone know?

Yeah, I don't see them winning at K.C. this week! K.C. can be tough at home, and Holmes is running like a mad man. Their D will be all pumped up.

They may beat Seattle, but Seattle has two easy games w/ the Giants and then K.C. in Seattle to end out the season. If they beat the Giants this week, they figure to give S.D. an all out run for the money since 10-6 will likely get them into the POs. S.D. will be down and dejected, especially if Flutie cracks off any more. I'm sure he's bitin' his lip like you've never seen before. A ticking timebomb just waiting to go off. If he gets replaced you may see it. If something like that were to happen, there would be discord amongst their players that would significantly hamper their chances of beating a hungry Seattle team trying like mad to make the POs and one that was disgraced last year by the Flutie-led Bills, so they'll want to show that they're the better team one way or another. Last year they had ZILCH to play for. This year the opposite will be true.

9 game losing streak! What a way to go out THAT would be! :D

[bduff54]

i've got money on k.c. to win this game, gotta love priest holmes, most underrated player in the league

Yeah, I tried to pick him up in all my fantasy leagues. I knew he'd be big this year. He's one of those guys who never got a real chance to start and when he played in relief, he's been stellar. Kind of like Beuerlein.

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by bduff54
i've got money on k.c. to win this game, gotta love priest holmes, most underrated player in the league

I got him too. I took a major gamble and traded Ahman Green for him after week 3 or 4. There were protests against it because there were some who thought it was too lopsided. I say HAHAHAHA. I noticed that Green Bay didn't go to him in the red zone. Holmes is outstanding!

[bduff54]

tto bad we didn't make an effort to get him in the offseason, henry looks promising though. imagijne him running behind a beast like mckinnie, although i still want CARR as our first pick, i know it won't happen

nice move BFO!

I traded him for Wesley Walls in one league early on from a guy who didn't think he'd do well. Besides, I was JR, Franks, and Cleeland deep in TEs.

duff,

Your putting way too much credence in a rookie QB. Remember, we're better off anyway w/ a solid OL and an avg. QB, than visa versa.

[bduff54]

wys, i just want a new QB. i know you don't line it, but i've had enough of RJ i want ot be excited for the bills next year. A new QB would be a fresh start and make give me faith in our organization. too much history with RJ:(

[MVDaBomb]

and Rob Johsnon's luck has rubbed off on my team.
My biggest blue-chipper, Edgerin James goes down for the year, Griesie's shoulder gets *******ed up and he loses his #2 WR, now the Broncos have a bye in the 1st week of the playoffs this week....and now I'm stuck w/ Jake Plummer starting Qb....yikes.

I'm not a huge Plummer fan as I think he's right up there w/ Bledsoe and Brunnell and Flutie w/ the most overrated QBs to ever have played the game, but he has been putting up some decent #s and Boston is coming alive too.

I hear ya though. 4-5 years ago, both my first and second round picks were injured in like weeks 2 and 4. This year I've been relatively lucky injury-wise.


duff,

"wys, i just want a new QB. i know you don't line it, but i've had enough of RJ i want ot be excited for the bills next year. A new QB would be a fresh start and make give me faith in our organization. too much history with RJ"

I hear ya brother! But don't throw the baby out w/ the bathwater. Don't you think I'd like a new QB too? One who's the package? Of course I do. But you also have to realize that we aren't going to get that from a rookie, w/ our OL, in ALL the newness, next year and probably even the following from a QB that we draft this coming offseason. Also especially given this bumbling excuse of a WCO that we "run."

Given that extreme liklihood, it only makes sense to work something out w/ what we've got to work from. And the way that I see it, by signing Rob to a longer contract, we can still cut him after next year, or the following and the cap hit NEVER gets worse than it will be if we do it now. We may not need him THEN. But it seems to me, unless you feel more comfortable w/ VP in there, we need him at least for a season or two.

I did some analysis of his sack stats by the way on a lonely late-night. :D

He's been sacked 30 times in 7 complete games (virtually) that he's played in. Of those 30 sacks, 12 resulted in scores or 1st downs following those sacks. That means that only 18 of the sacks had negative ramifications associated w/ them. That's just about 2 1/2 per game. It ain't great, but when you weigh that to VP who throws INTs instead, seemingly to put the nail in our own coffin as on at least 3 occasions, it seems to me that any reasoning person would rather sustain those sacks.

Also, of the remaining 18 sacks, 13 of them ended up being punts, which are far better than INTs as they don't stall your own drives AND give the other team either great FP or possibly even an INT return for 7.

Anyway, given those two options, I'd take the prior. I think that one sack, is worth a whole lot less than the types of INTs that VP seems to have a knack for tossing. But by my tally, VP in 5 games as a starter, has 7 INTs, most of them critical, and 10 total TOs. So the question becomes what's worse: 2 sacks or an INT essentially in determining which QB we play next year.

I'll take the 2 sacks any day of the week since they rarely result in TOs and often are overcome w/ scores or 1st downs. Also remember, that while RJ does take sacks, not all of them are his fault, so you have to look at the marginal difference in sacks, not just one total. Ie., VP's taken 11 sacks in his 5 starts to RJ's 30 in 7. So extrapolated over 7 games, that's about 15 for VP. So the marginal difference is only 15. Not that that's not significant, but that's what we need to look at in comparison. BTW, that would be abot 35 sacks over the season for VP which ain't all that wonderful either.

But in comparison, RJ throws on average over his career, about 1/2 an INT per game. VP throws more around 1 1/2 per game. VP averages 2 sacks per game while Rob averages 4.

So that begs the question, which would you rather have? 1 1/2 INTs and 2 sacks, or 1/2 an INT and 4 sacks, keeping in mind that sacks can and often are overcome, while INTs cannot and are not, and often create a 14 points swing?

Again, I think it's a no brainer when you look at it like that. The problem is that much of the fanbase has been brainwashed into thinking that sacks are the single overriding factor in the success of any QB in this league. Garcia had fairly high sack totals last year and yet he was not criticized for them. Anyway, look at what sacks have done for Flutie in S.D. Nothing. He's averaged about 1 per game and he's losing like a champ.

Also, don't forget, that decent OL will mitigate sacks. When a QB is prone to tossing INTs as VP is, it's more incumbent on the QB to not do that, which is less likely to happen that better OL play in our case w/ the makeshift OL we've been using.

[shiva2999]

There's another factor about sacks you haven't mentioned, wys.

Ask the guy on the sideline with the bandana on his head and his arm in a sling. He'll tell ya.

And your point is.... :confused:

[shiva2999]

Sacks hurt.

OK...

[Dennisdread]

I notice there's a Flutie fixation over here as well. Whatever...

[Dennisdread]

Mr Green. Ok but it made sense while the man played for Buffalo, now it's misguided at best. The Bills rarely play San Diego, they're not our rival. We don't have a long history of playoff battles, they're on the opposite coast blah blah etc. So what is the point of this? Just meanness? I don't care about San Diego, win lose or draw. I care about the Bills. And if I'm gonna derive pleasure out of somebody doing poorly, well Miami fits that description. But San Diego? I know some folks think that Doug Flutie is the anti Christ, and that wouldn't even bother me if Rob Johnson could somehow manage to string some good performances together and win some football games. My team is bad and I'm forced to read this childish harping about someone else's
misfortune, that has a contrived relationship to me as best( some of our people went there). So Flutie is driven out of town on a rail, yet somehow, Johnson does not prosper. How could that be, Flutie isn't over his shoulder anymore? Unlike some of you guys here I don't hate Doug Flutie. I hate being 2-12. I hate losing those Super Bowls. I hate the Dolphins. I hate Jimmy Johnson. I dislike Bill Parcells. I hate the Cowboys. If as a Bills fan hating Flutie meant anything to or did anything for me then I'd hate Doug Flutie too, but well...frankly I don't understand it. It seems to me that people's primary beef against the man is that he wasn't good enough to take us there. A lot of people fall into that category, yet I don't see endless posts dedicated to them here. I'm not gettin it fellas. Just not feeling it.

[Dennisdread]

Mr Green did not mean to imply that this was your personal cup of tea. was just speaking in general. Yes closure would be nice. Along with a victory or two.

Let's go, Buffalo!!

[TacklingDummyRJ]

Originally posted by wyswings


How many other QBs in this league have led a 7 game losing streak, possibly going to 8 or 9? Anyone know?

Rob did it to us at home. Rob still hasn't won a home game in how long? AVP had to lead us to our first home when in over a year.

[TacklingDummyRJ]

Its not about sacks. Its about RJ inability to read a defense and to get rid of the ball. RJ would have more interceptions if he threw the ball more. I could have a high completion % and few picks if I only threw the ball when the receiver was open by a mile too.

Remember his 2 TD passes to Moulds this year? There wasn't a Defender within 10 yards of Moulds.

[Dennisdread]

When a kid trips in front of other kids they all laugh. Children delight in the embarrassment of others. Sometimes contrivedly so, but they do it. This losing streak thing is the grown-up sports talk version of that. Made even more ridiculous by the fact that we aren't doing any better, or even as well!
Pettiness is not an admirable trait in humans. I know, I know, misery love company. If we were good it would be mean. But since we are every bit as bad as they are and then some, well, that just makes us silly as well. Where is the class? Let's have some!