For those of you who thought Flutie wasn't a backstabber...

"The paper also said that teammates refused to comment publicly, but privately several said they were bothered that Flutie would single out others without accepting any responsibility himself. He committed three turnovers last week, including a fourth-quarter fumble that led to a field goal for a 10-point Eagles lead."

http://www.empiresports.com/artwander/artwander.shtml

BTW, also, for those of you who kept berating me! Guess What!! I nailed this one about as close as you can get it! Sorry all y'all Flutie defenders!

"It's already printed that the Chargers are the NFL's worst team in the red zone"

And I'm "laughing best!"

Could it be, just could it be, that I may be correct on RJ too?! Oh, I think so!!! :elaugh:

[bduff54]

WYS- You are the weakest link. i think you may be insane:D

[shiva2999]

Hurry back, RJ. Please. I can't wait.

Originally posted by Doug45
I feel so sad for you at this time of Christmas, for you to be so full of hate all the time. When someone asks you the time do you say " It's 12:00 and I hate Fluitie" One thing is for sure, Flutie beat you because he is in your every thought, night and day.

At this point it has gone so far over the top even you must see it. You are losing all your credibility man.

Actually, i just spent the day with the wing man. Not a bone of hate in his body. Sorry to burst your bubbles. Why can't you just debate the issue without attacking people?!?!? Wy's is losing his credibility because he's pointing out a fact? I don't think so. If you don't like the Flutie issue, DON'T RESPOND! There are plenty of people who say they hate the issue, but always read the posts and respond anyway! Give me a break! If someone wants to hate an ex-Bill, it's fine with me! I doubt if Doug has much love for the Bills either, so stop your Doug Flutie WHINING and don't respond with name calling if you can't handle the Flutie bashing, respond with relative points! Did Doug hire you to defend him? I'm just curious as to why you hate bashing Flutie since he's not a Buffalo Bill! Give the whining a rest....please.

[bduff54]

it's only a bit of fun:D

duff,

I think sometimes we have different ideas of what fun is, eh! ;)


Doug,

No, Actually I didn't think about Flutie all week. I watched a little of the Sat. game in the background while I was focused on something else, but I watch both games that day and only about half the Oakland game.

No, YOU'RE wrong! I just logged on and posted my "wrap-up" post for the week!

Nice of you to address the issue raised though instead of attacking me! A high degree of maturity there I see!

I'd say the problem is w/ you, not me! ;)

BTW, nothing about me being about as correct on Flutie as anyone could possibly get? Well, I guess I was off a bit, I said that following the Buffalo game he would have TWICE as many INTs as TDs. I was wrong. It's actually closer to 3 times as many! Oh well, can't call it perfectly all the time. :laugh:

Oh yeah, and to address the issue, it looks like Doug is having quite a difficult time controlling himself out there in S.D. since it's been an issue already a couple of times this year and he's had to call a player's only meeting to explain that when he blames everyone but himself, he really doesn't mean it!

What a guy!

:lol:

[naeliac]

Flutie just wins. I just like him.

doug,

i've read just about every post you've made.

there's a difference between attacking doug's play and attacking others on the board. saying that someone is "full of hate" just because they point out flutie's bad play is both ridiculous and a personal attack.

whenever i bash Flutie, it's not to incite those that like him. It's to point out that a formerly divisive, terribly overrated player on another team is doing a poor job at QB. I like RJ, but when he plays bad, i admit it. And if he goes to another team, i will root against him and hope he does poorly. The BILLS are the only team i cheer for, but i will openly ridicule any player i choose. I WILL NOT, however, stoop to insulting fellow posters.

and i believe you are wrong...

what's BAD for the team is everyone holding on to the myth that Flutie is still the Bills' QB and savior. People like Wy's and myself are just trying to cure Flutie fans of that flawed way of thinking by pointing out his substandard play and hoping that it will suddenly dawn on you. ;)

"You are wrong dead wrong. The problem with this Flutie bashing is, it is really just to bash the fans that were Flutie fans and still like the guy. WE need to get the fan base back on the same team and to keep insulting anyone with a different way of thinkg is BAD for the team. How many years do we tear everyone apart over this. It would of ended months ago if this bashing would have stopped."

NO DOUG!! YOU'RE wrong here just as LOG pointed out!

You VERY OBVIOUSLY have some sort of anomalous affection for Doug, and I say that very objectively and tersely, that makes you hate anyone who utters an unkind word about someone that you don't even know personally!

If you are that bothered by criticisms of him, then I can TRULY suggest that you have some personal issues that YOU need to work through. IF people pointing out FACTS about how he plays REALLY bothers you that much, then there's some sort of problem since he isn't even on the team anymore.

Now if you are a closet S.D. fan, then that would mitigate things. If you openly admit to being a FF FIRST, and a Bills fan second as several have done on these boards, then that would also mitigate things. However, since you claim to be a Bills fan first and then are bothered by criticism of ONLY Flutie and NO OTHER Bills player who has ever left this team and has been criticized for playing poorly (ala Christie, Jones, and a few others) then there MUST be some sort of issue w/ your affections for Flutie! Quite seriously!

LOG is right!

Futhermore, I suppose that the first sentence of my repost of YOUR quote is fact and not your OPINION! Uhhuh!

Give it a rest on Flutie. I think I've made 2 or 3 comments on him during the last 10 days and you STILL say every post is about him and how I can't stop from mentioning his name.

For pete's sakes man, look in the mirror! Now go get some rest, ask yourself why it is that you have an inordinate affinity for a washed up QB who's continually proven that he can't play at the highest levels of competition in this league and who constantly stirs up strife against fellow team members on every team he's been on!

But quit calling us things when they don't apply.

As to your charge that I always know everything, you know that's not true as I've admitted when I've been errant in the past. But your dislike of me for exuding confidence does not override FACTS and TRUTH when you want it to for that reason alone!

Sorry!

BTW, at this point, people like myself are content to silently revel in the FACT that I was 100% correct about Flutie all along. I feel no need to bring him up anymore because HIS OWN ACTIONS and STATEMENTS have borne out nicely everything I've always maintained about him.

If we do keep bringing him up it's b/c we get a rise out of those like you have are in denial over the inordinate affections that they harbor about Doug. We'll keep doing it too! So keep it up if you want to continue to hear it.

Heck, maybe you can get me back into full-fledged "hammer on the truth about Flutie" mode! Did you happen to notice that my one alloted post about Flutie this week was limited to one single quote off another site about him? Did ya even stop to notice that before accusing me and others about doing what there's no evidence for? I didn't think so.

But it would be REALLY easy for you to get me going again, and I can tell you this, if you do it ain't gonna stop 'til there's a complete, and I do mean COMPLETE, EVERY POST, cessation of name calling against those of us who were correct about him all along.

IF that's what you want, just keep it up! I and others I'm sure will be HAPPY to oblige you. We'll post a nice fat thread too saying that we're doing it b/c you couldn't stop criticizing those who were correct about Flutie all along even LONG after they quit posting about him by-and-large!

YOUR choice Hoss!!

that's just the point...WHY???

Why shouldn't we bash a player who isn't a Buffalo Bill? That request is senseless IF you are a Bills fan first!

fine...not bash, but criticize. call it what you want, but there is every right to criticize any player you want. ESPECIALLY one that doesn't play for the Bills.

[shiva2999]

Let people bash whoever they want to bash. If I didn't have Rob to bash my world would be a sadder place.

Hurry back, Rob. We all miss you.

[TacklingDummyRJ]

Hey Doug, If you don't repond to Wings ways of criticizing then he will get the hint that know one cares anymore.

If he wants to bash Doug, I say go ahead. Just don't complain when somone criticizes someone that actually plays for the Bills.

I hope Rob comes back for the last game against Miami. History tells us that he will have a very poor game against the phins. And TD/GW can keep that in their minds when the off-season starts.

Getting injuried may have been the best thing for RJ. He can get a contract extension now on his potential again. By getting injuried it has given people 8 games to forget how he plays.

[Player6600]

Rob won't come back he's scared to play. Plus we have a better cahnce with AVP than Rob.

"I will make a deal with you, If you don't bring him up I will never mention him again."

No thanks Doug! I've made "deals" w/ you guys before and you NEVER have ante'd up as the deal was made and then you turn it around on me to make me out to be the one who reneged! Sorry! No deals!


666 etal.,

How many posts have I made re: Flutie in the past 10 days? NOT MANY, certainly not in comparison to what was made. I didn't even post for 4 or 5 days straight for the most part! At all, anything!

So what's w/ this B.S. criticism!!! I guess you guys miss it! I guess I'll start it up again!


TD,

What if RJ were to come back and play a stellar game vs. Miami? Would you THEN say he deserved a chance next year! Your statements are laced w/ bias!

I can see a couple of our OL-men getting injured by then, and I'd like to see how VP plays w/ any such OL that we had at the beginning of the year.

So far VP hasn't done any better, in spite of being the MASTER of the WCO! Of course that hasn't mitigated ANY of RJ's play behind a FAR worse OL, has it!? NO! It hasn't!

Your guys' arguments are one-sided!

Why on earth would Rob want to come back and play behind this OL w/o Henry now maybe, w/ no support from fans like YOU! I wouldn't either! I'd make damn sure I was "hurt" thru the rest of the year UNTIL we got some competent OL-men in there!

I'm sorry you can't see the lack of wisdom in that decision. It's funny though, you seem to criticize GW, but in this SINGLE case he's right, eh!? Uhhuh!

The BIAS Lives On!!!


If you guys keep accusing me falsely, I'm gonna hammer the sh** out of Flutie until he retires! I've been almost nonexistent inasmuch as that goes, and if you're gonna flame, taunt, and lie about it, I may as well have the satisfaction of doing it.

We're pretty close to an all out assault again! I'll honor my agreeement w/ TD, but I'll also draw the line when you guys INCESSANTLY LIE about it and me!

The choice is YOURS! I've stated my terms, so either reciprocate by being good or suck it up when it comes back at ya! But don't be bullies now and cowering girls later!

:rolleyes:

[shiva2999]

Are you saying, wys, that you'd sympathize with RJ if he faked an injury for the rest of the year so he didn't have to play behind a depleted O-line and in front of negative fans? Or were you being sarcastic and saying of course Rob would never do such a gutless thing and Gregg Williams of course would never allow it? I didn't quite get it. Please elucidate.

Personally, I think Rob's the kind of guy that would have a burning desire to get healed as quickly as possible so he could get in that last game of the year and shut the mouths of all the vicious and petty Rob haters once and for all.

After all, what good is it to Rob to have oodles of money, a buff body, a house on the beach, a rack of surfboards, the best hot tub on earth and a closet full of bandanas if he doesn't have the respect of the Buffalo fans? How could he live with himself? I know I couldn't.

Yeah, well there's a lot of things that you would and wouldn't do that many other fans could easily live with!

OK, I'll "elucidate" for you, only b/c you used that word and I had to look it up!

IN A HEARTBEAT!!! You're damn straight that I'd take a look at the OL that I was gonna play behind and if it wasn't going to be 100% starters, I'd "not feel so good in my shoulder." If the team wanted to cut me after that, the fine! But after what you and MANY other fans have dished out here to Rob, I certainly think the ABSOLUTE LAST consideration would be what "fans" such as YOU say. I'd give a rats a$$ about ANY of YOUR opinions! I'd be in it STRICLY for ME at this point.

But it's YOU, the malicious fan that would have caused that, not him! What on earth is his reason for playing.

I also haven't heard any criticism from you on GW even suggesting that that be the case while just about every sports media type that I've heard talk about it questions the wisdom and reasons for making such a decision! Why not YOU? Why do YOU see things so much differently on THIS issue!

It's b/c you can't stand Rob! THAT'S WHY! And with attitudes like yours, yeah, I can honestly say I'd start doing what was in my own interests, ESPECIALLY if I wanted to stay on this team!

But simply b/c YOU disagree does not make that wrong! Sorry!

Besides, what on earth's to make sure what players show up in a meaningless game vs. Miami that weekend?

What? Fina has ANYTHING to play for? Moulds? Bryson will be our starting RB? Why should Rob want to play then?

Besides, shouldn't we, in the name of fairness, ensure that VP plays 8 games as well? That's all I've been hearing about how they'll each have played 8 games and that the comparisons would be perfect.

He'll be 1-7 by then too! W/ the starting OL for most games no less. So at least that cat will be skinned!

[shiva2999]

Talk about a "team" guy. So it's ok for Rob to fake an injury cuz he doesn't like the quality of his teammates or the tone of the fans? There's a word for a guy like that. P***y.

D'ya think in that case he'd at least feel guilty enough to give back the, what is it, quarter of a million bucks or so that he gets for each game?

And if it's ok for Rob to sit the last one out for no reason, how about the whole team? Why should any of them risk getting banged up in a nothing game if Rob's not going to.

The whole team in unison:
"We're not gonna play, we're injured, really, and it's not because we think our teammates suck and the fans don't love us. That's RJ's excuse, we're really hurt, honestly."

Arrgghh! And you call yourself a Bills fan.

Oh, OK, shiva, in your infinite opinionated wisdom!

WHY??? Why on earth would they even consider playing Rob for ONE stinkin' game? WHAT could POSSIBLY be the impetus. He'll be somewhat rusty and that'll give YOU HATERS enough ammo to say he sucks and should be cut even if he plays half-way decently.

See, if we didn't have a bunch of suckbutt FFs who's loyalties are tainted, then perhaps we wouldn't have this bind. So talk about the names you used, how about applying them to those who don't reason anything other than RJ sucks!


I find it HIGHLY irritating that GW makes ALL the wrong calls, moves, etc., EXCEPT when it relates to Rob's demise!

I guess ALL the football analysts who question the move, the one's who've played in the league for years, those who have 20 times more experience than YOU, are all wrong, eh!

Talk about arrogance! THIS is the height of it! You guys just can't wait to put him in there vs. Miami to see him get crushed, can you!?

No! You are the one that is NOT the fan here. I NEVER said fake an injury. I just said to ensure that it ISN'T healed yet! YOU crack me up with your BLATANT hypocrisy! You KNOW it's an injury! NOW, he's faking it!

UNREAL!!!! Well if he's faking it, then he shouldn't be labeled injury prone now, should he!

So be the man here shiva!!! WHICH is it! Is he FAKING it? Or is it a REAL injury!

But you in your arrogance CANNOT have BOTH!!! SO YOU DECIDE before it heals and you continue to call him a p&&&y!

Honestly, I wouldn't do two cents for a fan like you! I'd be thinking ENTIRELY about my career! Fans like some of the others on this board I'd play my brains out for! But you in your self-centered little nook, complaining about EVERYTHING that GW does, EXCEPT when it involves something negative against Rob, is as easy to see thru as a pane glass window!

SHALLOW!!!

And frankly, because "you say so" doesn't mean squat!

There are wise decisions and then there are the decisions that all of you Rob Haters, who say you'll support our QB no matter who he is, make!

As if you'd EVER support Rob! I can just see you all cringing when he's back as our starter next year secretly hoping he goes down to injury! Of course, you'll never openly admit that b/c it'll toast your credibility like paper being held to open flame!

Give it a rest until next year, will ya! Then you can come out again and treat us to a new bout of malady!!! I think most people are sick and tired of hearing people continue to bust on Rob in a meaningless season in which he hasn't played in 5 games!

You know what REALLY irritates me the most shiva?

It's when I or someone else on one side of an issue makes statements and puts forth an argument, and instead of attacking that argument, or putting out FACTS to argue the contrary, you immediately label others things; racist, morons, etc.

You know, you MUST be a liberal! B/c THAT'S EXACTLY the way they behave! They have NO FACTS and they argue 90% of their case based sheerly on emotion.

I think the day you guys stick to topic and don't come off and put others on the defensive just b/c you didn't agree w/ what they say, I'm gonna fall outta my chair!

But THAT'S what gets me really riled up! And rightly so! If I did that to you you'd go whining!

WHY? Why can't you just stick to the topics and not start calling others names? What is it? What's the problem? Where are ya hangin' up? The same applies to a few others as well!

UN-BELIEVEABLE!!!

If your positions are that damn weak then don't get involved in the fray! But to CONSTANTLY have to resort to name-calling is a tad bit overdone here on these boards!

[shiva2999]

Don't you just know it.

And by the way, wys, can you please point out where in any of my posts I've labeled anyone a racist, and the only one I've called a moron is RJ.

Well, that ain't supportin' the QB there, is it!

NO!

Here's one of you telling me I'm not a Bills fan!

"And you call yourself a Bills fan."

:moon:

:D


See, I state things generally. But the problem is that you guys get into a "mob mentality" and start beatin' me up! The problem with that, for you, is that you, by association, when you support what others are sayin' w/o looking at what they say specifically, you necessarily lump yourself in w/ them. This did happen. So when you essentially agree w/ someone who called me something unpleasant, you are essentially doing the same thing unless you add some specificity to your post acknowledging that you aren't referring to what they say. But since you allowed yourself to be lumped in the "group", it only stands to reason that you agree w/ them. Makes perfect sense. Otherwise at least have the decency to tell them they're wrong!

What's sparking this ENTIRE thing, is MY standing up for what figures to be our starting QB next year, and you guys trying to tear him down. THEN, you have the gall to tell me I'm not a fan of hte Bills.

WHAT'S wrong w/ this picture.

Let's end this ****! PLEASE!

[shiva2999]

I don't believe I've ever called another poster a "name", so I find it kind of funny that you launch into this "Shiva is a name-caller" rant by calling me a "liberal", knowing that to a lot of you guys on this board that pride yourselves on being to the right of Genghis Khan, it's about the worst thing you can call a man. You wanna talk politics? I'll have a go. But you won't find any candy ass liberal here. Just as you won't find an apologist for the rich and powerful. I dont buy into "win or die". Too many people have been ********d over for too long by people from every side of the political spectrum for me to toe a party line in the way I think.

For example, let me share my favorite "socialist" story with you.

I don't know if you remember but back in the early '70's, Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland used to tour with a war protest show they called FTA (******* The Army). Now of course they were widely ridiculed as hollywood lefties. At one show Sutherland was confronted by a reporter.

Reporter:

Mr. Sutherland, how can you call yourself a socialist when you live in a big house and drive a Mercedes?

Donald Sutherland:

I think everyone should live in a big house and drive a Mercedes.

[shiva2999]

Are you saying, wys, that before I can disagree with you you'd like me to publically disassociate myself with any and every objectional thing said about you or to you by everyone else that disagees with you?

Whew, sounds like a lot of work to me, I'd never be able to catch it all.

So let me just make a blanket announcement right now.

ALL YOU GUYS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, WHO CONSTANTLY RAG ON WYS WITH NO JUSTIFICATION AND CALL HIM MEAN AND HURTFUL NAMES, CUT IT OUT RIGHT NOW!

He's sensitive.

Once again shiva, ENTIRELY missing the point!

But hey! What do I expect from great liberal minds!

A course in logic would be of tremendous benefit to you!

"Disassociating" does NOT equal "NOT associating (to begin with)!"

I know that's a mind bender for ya! But just TRY! Don't hurt yourself, just try not to blow too many brain cells on that one!

I've had enough of the baby sitting exercise here shiva! Can we agree to disagree and end this nonsense! Please! I've asked at least twice now, three times I think!!!!

I know you'd rather be disagreeable, but I wouldn't! I'd also rather not have to feel like I need to keep defending myself against virtually continual tirades and false accusations from you and a couple of others!

Why is that so tough for you not to do?

wy's...interesting point...

notice that a lot of people that disagree with you on a regular basis are from canada...many from toronto in particular???

what have the doctors in that socialist healthcare program been force feeding them??? :D

They've been force fed Flutie for too long and now that his career is over, they just don't know what to do or how to react and respond!

I guess they are pissed that his performances here haven't validated the notion that the CFL is the same caliber of play as the NFL. Don't know!

Besides, many of them, Bills fans that is, went to S.D. when pretty boy went down there. So we did lose a bunch of them!

:D

Or maybe it's just that the cold is setting in and that's causing some irrititation. DK.

;)

[shiva2999]

All of a second Moe pipes up.

[shiva2999]

I just keep hoping to get a reasonable response from you that isn't a bunch of childish and bullying name-calling, a rant about Flutie or a bunch of eyeglazing stats.

Moe! LMAO...


shiva,

You're looking in the mirror again! You should always face the people your addressing or there is much confusion. IF that's what you're hoping for, then why don't you practice what you preach! It may come back to ya...

We were actually hoping for a few intelligible words out of you!!!

I know we're hoping against hope. Maybe when Rob is gone your brain will turn back to some semblance of balance and you can rid yourself of the vertigo!

:D

i love moe :)

Yeah, he and Curly are the best. Brothers in real life.

Curly: "I'll take two pieces of burnt toast and a cold cup of coffee!"

Moe: "What d'ya want that for?"

Curly: "I got a tape worm. That's good enough for him!"

[shiva2999]

I know you are but what am I?

Hmmm!

What to do with that!

"I know you are, but what am I?"

Hmmm!

Is this what you were talking about when you said, and I quote:

"I just keep hoping to get a reasonable response from you that isn't a bunch of childish and bullying name-calling..."

Just wonderin'! Because if it is, I am beginning to see the problem here!

Did ya get fresh batteries for that crystal ball yet? If so, you may want to transfer them to your "other personal" appliance and calm yourself down...

LMAO :D

[shiva2999]

It's tough arguing with nonsense, isn't it.

Yeah, it sure is! But you guys give me plenty of practice!

[shiva2999]

You may get good at it someday!

WHAT a comeback! Man! You sure got me there shiva!

I've been outwitted!

Darn!

Oh well! Better dandy off to bed now! I'll stop in and grab my box of kleenex on the way.

sniff, sniff,...

:rolleyes:

:D

[shiva2999]

Sweet dreams!

Thanks brother!

;)

[RJbillsfan]

but Wys (be nice wys) you say you dont talk about Flutie as much..i just got here and what are the three posts on top by you about .......FLUTIE!!! you need to get over him..and to keep bashing him and those who wish him well...We do
have the gift of sight and can see Flutie is playin like CRAP
But if Bills fans want to move on from this Flutie issue cuz he's gone how are we as Bills fans going to stop bickering amoung our
selves? Because we have to argue with other football fans who bash us for loving the Bills. We have to be united! :)

Hey, I should be able to bash Flutie all I want, and if anyone is divided here in Buffalo, I'd suggest that the issues were w/ them and not me or anyone else who supports the Bills.

Secondly, most of what you read was merely making statements about the state of affairs. But there's been a poster or two lately who's decided he likes us ranking on Doug. So my post this week after Flutie loses the 8th in a row will continue! ;)

Meanwhile, the Bills suck, which is REALLY is what has ME concerned, NOT the backlash against Flutie, Christie, or Mohr!

[RJbillsfan]

well then why dont we talk about the Bills that suck instead of Flutie..you need to get over your love affair with Flutie

Ps. i disagree with the poster who said your not good at argueing nonsense...you are good at it! ;)

i am gonna let ya know now yes go ahead and have the last word i am not gonna go back and forth with ya..i dont have as much time on my hands plus i know i cant win even if you were dead you'd some how manage to get the last word in from your casket! LOL...

this is all in good fun....WYS's FUNERAL.......
Here is your family crying right? "Wys is gone does anyone have that recipe for his wing sauce?" "Here it is and he wrote a note he wants read at his funeral...here it is "FLUTIE SUCKS"

LMAO!

[Dman]

df sucks!!!!
and I love it......:D

GO BILLS!!!
GO AVP!!!

"...this is all in good fun....WYS's FUNERAL.......
Here is your family crying right? "Wys is gone does anyone have that recipe for his wing sauce?" "Here it is and he wrote a note he wants read at his funeral...here it is "FLUTIE SUCKS"

LMAO!"

LMAO RJbs, er a..., I mean RJ bf. JK

Pretty funny!

On Flutie's gravestone it'll read, "PLEASE! Still love me after I'm gone!"

[RJbillsfan]

:)