this browns B.S.?

[bduff54]

why is everybody so mad, the fu#$ing guy dropped the ball, they deserved to lose. Browns fans are dumb, so are the saints fans, it was clearly interference.

[TacklingDummyRJ]

Could it have been the alcohol??

[bduff54]

probably, i love beer.:D

The frustrations are coming as a result of the referees, the same refs who just got a 100% pay hike, constantly screwing up games and determining the outcomes of games this year, falsely. There are what, 8 zebras on the field and a couple in the box, and they can't make their decisions faster than they do. Hell, even the fans in the stadium make them faster from the big screen.

These guys are overpaid, overaged, blind, incompetent people posing as professional refs! Half of them look like they're gonna have heart attacks when they are out there. I tried to feel sorry for that ref who had the heart attack on Sunday, but I gotta tell ya, the very first question that came to my mind was what in the hell is this guy doin' on the field at his age and shape running all over the place like that? There should be an age cutoff at say 55 or so. Then you replace them. After that, if they ref and have heart attacks, they should know what they're up against. I don't know why we have a bunch of guys over 50 reffing anyway! Why not guys in their 40s? Makes sense to me. Quicker running around the field. Not having to expend as much energy trying to pay attention due to their slackness getting around the field. Either way, there ought to be some physical standards. The less energy these guys have to expend on "getting there", the more they'll have to devote to paying attention to the call.

Also, that ref that got run over last week; I have no sympathy whatsoever for that guy! The players that were coming right at him were coming from well within his field of vision, or what should easily have been within this guy's field of vision, and in lanes that generally contain charging WRs and DBs, and he still didn't even move until it was well too late. What was with that? I can only figure that guy was blind or could only pay attention to one thing going on on the field at a time. There's really no other explanation. But survival of the fittest and most capable has removed this guy to the sidelines where he belongs. But if he couldn't see that coming, then how on earth can we expect him to see the plays that determine the outcome of the games? Simple: we can't!

They undergo only nominal scrutiny! They do things like stand over Andre Reed, giving him no room to get up, then throw a flag for bumping the ref when he does get up in the refs crotch b/c that's where the ref's standing. They see things that aren't there and don't see things that we see from only one angle on TV. One ref all the way across the field makes a call that is none of his business and he is wrong on. I mean the list goes on and on! These guys should be openly fined and the fines made known. They should be demoted to the sidelines for an entire season if they screw up. If they make too many game changing calls, they get fired or move to their front office.

Did anyone see that call against the Pittsburgh TE, #84, for holding or illegal contact well within the 5 yard limit, WELL within it? That should have been first and goal at Baltimore's 4, instead it pushed Pittsburgh back and out of FG range I think as a result and gave Baltimore much more momentum. That was ridiculous. If they can't make simply calls like that and can't see that 2 or 3 yards is well within that limit, then they shouldn't be officiating. This happens routinely in the NFL! Time to swap out 70% of the refs for new ones. In the meantime, if they don't have the sense at their ages to do something else other than run around a field on Sunday's, then when they get heart attacks, I'll be sorry, but the game will go on! It's stupidity! On their parts.

But what we have is a group of refs that are unionized, who couldn't be fired no matter what they do or how poorly the ref, whether they can see or not! It's incredible.

I agree, the fans in Cleveland and in N.O. were WAY out of line! But the refs should behave professionally and make their calls and do their jobs the same way. Yet they don't! They blow HUGE calls, wait when they shouldn't, throw flags that shouldn't be thrown, miss much, call things that aren't there. They ref like amateurs, not pros!

The replacements were MUCH better. I say get rid of the NFLOA and replace it. I'm tired of seeing poor performances at top dollar for guys who only work a fraction of the year at three times the salary that, or more, than most of out posters and the average American makes.

It's time for some accountability in the NFL officiating ranks! The reaction of the Cleveland fans was not justifiable, nor that of the N.O. fans yesterday, but I can certainly understand this attitude towards a seeming reproachable and untouchable cast of overpaid executives who can't even do a better job than I can! I cannot imagine that there aren't thousands of more qualified people out there.

Whatever! Most of them should have gotten a decrease!

You can't possibly argue that they are doing a good job this year or have over the past few years. They're singlehandedly, often literally thru the calls of one single ref, changing the outcomes of ENTIRE games. That CANNOT be tolerated if the sport is to have any integrity on the officiating side of the game.

SOMETHING'S got to change. The officials have WAY too much control over the game by bad calls, no calls, lack of seeing stuff that should be totally obvious. I think they are simply just too old many of them and don't have the energy to run around AND pay 100% attention to what they are supposed to be doing.

Did you see that call against the TE, #84 for Pittsburgh, who got called for an illegal block a yard or two off the LoS in the Baltimore game? What should have been 1st and goal at Baltimore's 4 turned into a 4th and long and no points. It almost changed the outcome of that game had Balt. been able to recover that OS kick.

THAT'S a total travesty! If any ref doesn't know that contact between WR/TE and DB/LB is allowed within 5 yards of the LoS, frankly, he shouldn't be reffing in this league. Period. Some of the things that happened to the Bills over the years are abominable in conjunction w/ say that Testeverde TD in what, '99? Cost us the division championship and a first round bye in the POs and a couple of seeds and a home field PO game. Yeah, I'd say that's significant.

Some of these refs DIDN'T need a raise, they needed a pink slip. And as long as fans see their teams get screwed by poor and unprofessional officiating that changes from week-to-week just as the weather does in the winter in Buffalo, it's only gonna get worse until some action is taken to take these officials out of the "untouchable realm."

There's ABSOLUTELY no accountability for them! NONE, or nothing significant!

I certainly don't back the fans at Cleveland or N.O., but I do understand their frustrations.

[bduff54]

what they relly need to do is let the players play the game. if the refs were this strict in hockey the game would never end. when a pushing match starts after a play, they should pull them away and thats it. we don't need this personal foul crap evertime a grown man taunts another, what are they in primary school?

They just need to be consistent from week to week, and they aren't. They call certain things one week, and not the next. They are also just blind half the time. I see flagrant holdings occurring right in front of the QB in regular time the first time around, and they can't see it w/ 8 guys on the field. The replays merely confirm it.

I really think many of these guys are too old to run around AND have the energy to think clearly often. What other explanation could there be for so many missed calls, and them seeing things which quite frankly, simply aren't happening. Aka, they're seeing things! That's not good!

[BogusTrumper]

And there's no such thing as as age discrimination.

And unions are bad, just bad.

:D

[naeliac]

People should be free to discriminate against whom ever they want (hiring someone based on anything is just discriminating against the other candidates). Unions are simply a government enforced labour monopoly. Organized labour is fine, but when the government says a corporation has to hire from a given union only they are just being oppresive socialists. To make up for their heavy handedness they pork barrel cash into the corporations pocket. The result: consumers, taxpayers, and anyone who is not on the take gets screwed.

Unions are bad.

[BogusTrumper]

Hate those socialists!

[BogusTrumper]

Fascists and Nazis too.

[naeliac]

Fascists and Nazis are socialists. They want state action and state power over individuals. They are all the same, they just get in bed with different people.

[BogusTrumper]

All "ist"s are bad. Very bad.

satanists...bad :D

[BogusTrumper]

feminists. blech

scientists = demons

[BogusTrumper]

Darwinists = Satanists

You're in the ball park there BT!

Darwinists are definitely anti-christian and anti-Bible.

Darwin's entire rationale for developing that theory was to disprove Christianity after becoming embittered towards it.

There's virtually and practically no evidence for anything but some circumstantial pieces that are exploded way out of context.

If such a theory were raised today w/ the lack of evidence that it has, it would be dismissed as biased.

This ought to generate some discussion... :D

[BogusTrumper]

WYS you almost never fail to generate "some" discussion. ;)

Of course at the lay level, you have to excuse many who just believe that what they were and are being taught about it is true b/c it's pitched that way. They are not at fault, but should definitely take a look at the facts on both sides prior to drawing conclusions.

The problem for hard core evolutionists is that if they admit creation, then it necessarily entails believing in a God who "created" them. That then becomes counter to what they "want" to believe!

[BogusTrumper]

1) Just what are the "facts" about creationism?

2) Believing in God is not a problem for evolutionists.

You know why you get into so many quarrels WYS? Because you label people and you generalize too much. Did you do that in your work towards your master's? Where did you get that master's anyway?