What trade will the yankees pull off and for whom?

[njsue]

I think they still need a dominant starting pitcher and a center fielder.


How about you all yankee fans? What trades do you see happening?

Woohoo I am glad they beat the orioles last night.

[Merk]

Hopefully no trades, I'm tired of giving up good prospects for the quick fix. If we trade for anyone he had better be under 30. So heres some thoughts




-We don't have enough to get any decent starting pitching so I think that is out the window. Plus there is no one availble worth trading for and they would want both Wang, Cano, and prolly Duncan. Thats giving up way to much

-If a deal does go down I think it will be for a CF. It most likely won't be Kotsay b/c Billy Beane will try and fleece the Yankee farm system. Mike Camron is bassically a no b/c the Mets are not going to try and help the Yankees. So that leaves us w/ two people I really dont want but could see being on this team and that is Preston Wilson and Ken Griffey Jr.

[HURLS]

On Around the Horn, one guy said he sees us picking up Preston Wilson and Jose Acevedo from the Rockies, for low level prospects. But another guy said we'll go after Mark Kotsay, if they can find the right package for Oakland. I like Kotsay coming here and leading off, playing center. Wilson's past his prime.

[lavuuk153]

[QUOTE=Merk]
Mike Camron is bassically a no b/c the Mets are not going to try and help the Yankees. [QUOTE]

I don't think this is the case. If the Yanks made an offer that would benefit the Mets and was of equal value, I think the Mets would make the trade. However, I want to keep Cameron, and I don't feel the Yanks have the chips to get him. Wang is a solid back end starter, which the Mets have an abundance of. Heilman is in the pen, Seo is pitching well in AAA, and Trachsel should be back in a month or so.

Cano wouldn't be much of an upgrade, because I think Cairo will put up slightly better numbers now anyway, and the Mets have Keppinger in AAA who is playing real well, and is only blocked because of Matsui making 7 mil a year and they have plenty of bench players who can play second.

[HURLS]

The Mets won't help the yankees??? What do they call us unloading a waste in Felix Heredia for Mike Stanton? And they still owe us for letting Willie go coach there, and dropping out of the Beltran bidding(big mistake).

[Merk]

[QUOTE=Merk]
Mike Camron is bassically a no b/c the Mets are not going to try and help the Yankees. [QUOTE]

I don't think this is the case. If the Yanks made an offer that would benefit the Mets and was of equal value, I think the Mets would make the trade. However, I want to keep Cameron, and I don't feel the Yanks have the chips to get him. Wang is a solid back end starter, which the Mets have an abundance of. Heilman is in the pen, Seo is pitching well in AAA, and Trachsel should be back in a month or so.

Cano wouldn't be much of an upgrade, because I think Cairo will put up slightly better numbers now anyway, and the Mets have Keppinger in AAA who is playing real well, and is only blocked because of Matsui making 7 mil a year and they have plenty of bench players who can play second.



I think we would have to give alot for the Mets to even consider it. The last thing Omar wants is Camron coming over here and all of sudden become great(not saying that would happen but it would be PR hell for them Mets.


The Mets won't help the yankees??? What do they call us unloading a waste in Felix Heredia for Mike Stanton? And they still owe us for letting Willie go coach there, and dropping out of the Beltran bidding(big mistake). .


Right now the Yankees Need a CF and the last thing they want to do is help us w/ a need. I wouldn't call getting Mike Stanton back as helping the Yankees. The Mets liked him about as much as we liked Felix. We did ourselves a favor by not getting Beltran, while he is a good player, he still not worth what the Mets paid him.


On Around the Horn, one guy said he sees us picking up Preston Wilson and Jose Acevedo from the Rockies, for low level prospects. But another guy said we'll go after Mark Kotsay, if they can find the right package for Oakland. I like Kotsay coming here and leading off, playing center. Wilson's past his prime.


I agee that Kotsay would be the choice I would go w/ too. He has 2 things the Yanks are in dire need of Speed and Defense. I don't like the fact that more than half the New York media is worried about his bat. I say who cares we have more than enough bats here and it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have a few guys in the lineup that specialize in defense

[HURLS]

Kotsay's batting .270+, better than what we have. And as far as Stanton goes, would you rather have Heredia? He may have lost tonight, but he's a way better option than Heredia was, or is.

[Merk]

Kotsay's batting .270+, better than what we have. And as far as Stanton goes, would you rather have Heredia? He may have lost tonight, but he's a way better option than Heredia was, or is.



I agree that I would rather have Stanton. I was shocked when I found out that sombody acctually wanted Felix. But at this point in Stantons career he is not leaps and bounds better than Felix. So I feel that we did get the better of the trade but not by a whole lot.


If Kotsay was batting .190 I would still make a deal for him just based on his defense. But what I don't want to do is give up a lot for him b/c is going to be a FA at the end of the year so we can make a run at him then.

[John]

[QUOTE=lavuuk153][QUOTE=Merk]
We did ourselves a favor by not getting Beltran, while he is a good player, he still not worth what the Mets paid him.


I totally dissagree with the above statement. Beltran would have filled what is by now a very obvious centerfield need for the Yanks - so regardless of him being a big time FA, he filled a need. The good thing about Beltran is that even if he is not hitting, he will play good defense - he will help the team in some way. These are the type of players that should get the big deals from the Yanks, as opposed to a guy like Giambi who is not helping the team unless he is hitting home runs.

As for overpaying, I would rather over pay Beltran than Giambi. Part of the advantage of being the Yankees is that you can[B] overpay to make sure you get your man. The problem is the Yanks overpaid when they shound not have (Giambi), and then did not overpay when they should have (Beltran)

[jaymitch84]

How about this rumor of Gary Sheffield for Mike Cameron?

Personally, as a Red Sox fan, I say DO IT! Gary Sheffield scares the hell out of me whenever he comes to the plate, and while Cameron would help out the defense in CF and is a decent hitter... he is also a strike out waiting to happen.

[Scary Good]

if they trade Sheff...I'm gonna flip my shiat.

[John]

if they trade Sheff...I'm gonna flip my shiat.

Me Too - the only way I trade Sheff for Cameron is if the Mets throw in enough prospects to let me flip them for a pitcher. Then I give up Sheff for Cameron and a starter.

But BTW, who will play right if shef goes?

IMHO, Shef has never been part of the problem - I would not want to trade him unless it we get a great deal in return - Zito and Cameron?

[Napalm]

Check it out


http://sports.yahoo/mlb/players/4268/news


EDIT - Link doesn't work.


Basically it says:

New York post reposts preliminary talks with Mets, Cameron & Cairo for Sheffield swap.

[njsue]

if they trade Sheff...I'm gonna flip my shiat.
I heard sheffields media press conference today. He is so pissed that his name even came up in the trade. He stated the only team he wants to play for his the NY Yankees. If he is traded to a team he does not want to be a part of he said he wont be happy. That dont want a player on there team that is not happy.

I for one will be extremely pissed off if cashman even twinks the thought of trading sheff. Mike cameron spent most of last season on the disabled list. I dont want anymore washed up injured players coming to the Yankees ever.....

[John]

I just wanted to let him know that we turned down any inquiry about him from the Mets,'' Torre said. "We said, 'No, thank you.' I just wanted to tell him what [Yankees general manager Brian] Cashman told me.''

Looks like the Yanks have squashed the deal. It would have left a hole in right anyway.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2097445

[Scary Good]

yeah sheff def. doesn't wanna go...and thats great to see. I guess Ruben woulda played right for the majority and probably shared time with Bernie. They should trade Womack, and or Pavano.

[Napalm]

Ruben is a waste. They should throw him in any deal that is made.

[BillsYankees]

Sheffield said he wanted to end his career as a Yankee. Sheffield is not one of the problems on the Yankees, its CF.

[Merk]

[QUOTE=Merk][QUOTE=lavuuk153]


I totally dissagree with the above statement. Beltran would have filled what is by now a very obvious centerfield need for the Yanks - so regardless of him being a big time FA, he filled a need. The good thing about Beltran is that even if he is not hitting, he will play good defense - he will help the team in some way. These are the type of players that should get the big deals from the Yanks, as opposed to a guy like Giambi who is not helping the team unless he is hitting home runs.

As for overpaying, I would rather over pay Beltran than Giambi. Part of the advantage of being the Yankees is that you can[B] overpay to make sure you get your man. The problem is the Yanks overpaid when they shound not have (Giambi), and then did not overpay when they should have (Beltran)


- I agree Beltran is a good player but hes still not worth what there paying him, but given the choice I would take him on this team.

-When we got Giambi nobody could have predicted that this is what he would turn out to be. We payed a hefty price but he was the current AL MVP and was hitting 30-40 home runs a year

[Merk]

Looks like the Yanks have squashed the deal. It would have left a hole in right anyway.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2097445



Thank God! If that trade ever went down the Yankees would be in some serious trouble

[njsue]

Ruben is a waste. They should throw him in any deal that is made.
along with kevin brown, jarad wright & tanyan sturtz.

[njsue]

[QUOTE=John][QUOTE=Merk]


- I agree Beltran is a good player but hes still not worth what there paying him, but given the choice I would take him on this team.

-When we got Giambi nobody could have predicted that this is what he would turn out to be. We payed a hefty price but he was the current AL MVP and was hitting 30-40 home runs a year

During his steroid years.

[Merk]

[QUOTE=Merk][QUOTE=John]

During his steroid years.



Yeah but its not like the Yankees either...

a)Knew he was taking them

or

b)Thought the MLB would come down on the issue this hard and this fast



I would compare it to this, would anybody have a problem w/ us signing Vlad Guerrero the current AL MVP? No, I don't think you would and that was the basic thought process when we signed Giambi. Yeah looking back on it it was a mistake, but at the time it looked like a great move

[HURLS]

ESPN just reported that we're trading for Encarnacion, like someone already posted. But we're keeping him for only a week to ten days, then he's going for probably Kotsay. I'd like Kotsay playing center for the next 5 years.

[BillsYankees]

ESPN just reported that we're trading for Encarnacion, like someone already posted. But we're keeping him for only a week to ten days, then he's going for probably Kotsay. I'd like Kotsay playing center for the next 5 years.
Why don't we just keep Encarnacion and let him play CF. He probably has more power than Kotsay.

[Merk]

ESPN just reported that we're trading for Encarnacion, like someone already posted. But we're keeping him for only a week to ten days, then he's going for probably Kotsay. I'd like Kotsay playing center for the next 5 years.



Kotsay would be a nice addition, did ESPN say who we would be trading?

[Merk]

I found it on ESPN Insider and they say the Yankees have had discussions about sending Sheffield for A.J. Burnett and OF Juan Encarnacion. Even though I would prolly pull the trigger on that trade I would be real hesitant to give up Sheff

[Napalm]

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7792



I thought I read earlier that this is Kotsay's final year of his contract. Looks like the Cubs are interested too

[John]

[QUOTE=njsue][QUOTE=Merk]
I would compare it to this, would anybody have a problem w/ us signing Vlad Guerrero the current AL MVP? No, I don't think you would and that was the basic thought process when we signed Giambi. Yeah looking back on it it was a mistake, but at the time it looked like a great move

Vlad is 5 years younger than Giambi, and plays good defense - its not the same. Giambi is and has always been one dimentional, and is locked into a seven year $120 million deal. Those type of deals are for younger more balanced players.

I think the Yanks have become more cautious about giving long term big money deals, and probably rightly so. Sheff got a 3 year deal, Matsui 3 years, etc. But if a 5 tool player is available who fills a need and is younger (Beltran) is available, that is when you can pull the trigger. My guess is the Yanks did not expect Bernie to be as bad as he has been this year - they didn't realize that they had as big of a hole in center.

[Merk]

[QUOTE=Merk][QUOTE=njsue]

Vlad is 5 years younger than Giambi, and plays good defense - its not the same. Giambi is and has always been one dimentional, and is locked into a seven year $120 million deal. Those type of deals are for younger more balanced players.

I think the Yanks have become more cautious about giving long term big money deals, and probably rightly so. Sheff got a 3 year deal, Matsui 3 years, etc. But if a 5 tool player is available who fills a need and is younger (Beltran) is available, that is when you can pull the trigger. My guess is the Yanks did not expect Bernie to be as bad as he has been this year - they didn't realize that they had as big of a hole in center.

-Giambi was 29 when he signed him and Vlad was 28 when we could have signed him so age isn't an issue

-Giambi's Bat was so good when we signed him that it made up for his medicore defense, he was coming off an MVP season. 1st base is more about offense than defense these days in the AL at least

-I agree the yankees are alot more hesitant now on long term deals w/ good reason

- I agree w/ you on Bernie