Would Flutie Make A Difference?

[bills_phan]

Would Flutie have made a difference for the Bills this year?

Here's the stats from the last 5 games for the little 'pixie dust' fairy:

Pass Attempts: 151
Completions: 82
Percentage: 54%
Touchdowns: 3
Interceptions: 8
Fumbles: 2
Wins: 0
Losses: 5
QB Rating: 48.7 (approx)

He ain't contibuting anything significant in S.D. So why would he here?

Unless of course he gets the usual credit for their #1 STs ranking, and LDT's pace for 1,300 and over 10 TDs, and for their STs and D giving them league leading field position and scoring! Then I suppose he could do all that here!

[bills_phan]

C'mon, where's all the Flakes now???

[bduff54]

he would have made a huge difference. johnson would no longer be here, flutie would fail miserably and we would have no QB contorversy and would have no other option but to draft a QB or get a free agent. instead the bills are actually conisdering giveing johnson another shot, he's an overpaid bust and none of you can deny that.

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by bduff54
he would have made a huge difference. johnson would no longer be here, flutie would fail miserably and we would have no QB contorversy and would have no other option but to draft a QB or get a free agent. instead the bills are actually conisdering giveing johnson another shot, he's an overpaid bust and none of you can deny that.

Interesting view. I agree!

[TacklingDummyRJ]

The QB controversey ended more then 6 months ago. Why do you want to bring it up again?

To answer your question, we wouldn't be 1-10 if we had Flutie. But who cares. Its over with.

[bduff54]

i seriously wish we had kept flutie. at the time i wanted johnson, but by keeping johnson would be gone and flutie is so old that he would be replaced soon. hindsight is 20/20 i guess. bring on rex grossman baby!!!

Let's take a portion of Rob's stats this year.

That drive where he was typical... 0-3. 0%. Int. 0 rating. Boy he's good.

[bduff54]

yeah i think his time has come, clean out the locker and don't forget your bandana.

[bills_phan]

<b>Let's take a portion of Rob's stats this year.

That drive where he was typical... 0-3. 0%. Int. 0 rating. Boy he's good.</b>

I am posting only Flutie's last 5 games in support of my opinion that his 39-year-old arm can no longer stand up to the rigors of a 16 game NFL season. That is why I believe that the organization made the correct decision in cutting him during the offseason. Nothing personal, Rude.

Last week..

33/44, 308 yards, 108 rating. Ya. He sucks. Come on.

Rob...

0/0, 0 yards. Getting paid millions to pick his ass. Maybe the Bills should pay 20 bucks and have his eyes checked. Just a thought.

And now that I think about it... I'd rather have a guy who sucks but plays his balls out every week that a superstar who can't give me a full season once in his career.

[bduff54]

neither of them deserve to be on this team. we have to sign a free agent or draft pick!!

[bills_phan]

I'm not attempting to prop up RJ by bashing Flutie, Rude. I'm just analyzing Flutie's stats over the last 5 games and drawing my own conclusions. Seems like I've hit a nerve...

Then let's analyze Rob's stats too. At least Flutie plays. That's what I respect.

[bills_phan]

In other words, you're more interested in bashing a qb who plays for the Bills. If you have so much love and respect for the midget, why not restrict your posts to the Chargers message boards?

If you look closely, you'll notice that I never start these bashing threads. I only tell my side once the **** has hit the fan. Please don't lump me in as a Flutopian or RJ basher. I'm a Howrd Cosell. I tell it like it is. I was glad Flutie was gone. I thought Rob had many more years in him and that his potentiasl would come around. All I've seen is an inability to make quick decisions, read a defense, elude defenders and heavy hits. Hell, even when the sideline is feet away that guy will try to take hime on. It's a battle he'll never win. These safeties drewel at the idea of nailing a QB and when he doesn't slide or step out he's just asking for it.

[bills_phan]

I think I'm finally sick of arguing this point. It just keeps on going round and round and round and round. How very noble of you to stay out of the muck by never starting these threads. They are so few and far between that I'm surprised you keep finding ones to post in. Keep on telling it like it is, Rude. Doug who? Later.

YOU started this thread.

[BogusTrumper]

They bait you and when you answer, they tell you to leave because you answered. So 7th grade. I mean, what was the point of starting the thread if you didn't want anyone to respond? You are not using logic at all. You are just looking for excuses to bash a Flutie Flake -- if you can find one. :p

I wanted Buffalo to do what SD did. Keep Flutie, draft Brees. If we'd done that then we'd have a quarterback with real potential for next year. Plus, I'd get to see Flutie play. I just like him. ;)

[bills_phan]

Oh good, another heart-felt post from BogusTrumper!

Interesting results to the poll.

Ignore answers 1,2 and 5

and you get questions # 3 and 4 dead even

with 28%


Sounds like there's still a quarterback controversy in Buffalo between a current player and a former player.

Does anyone know if this is a first?

You godda slug it out once you start. You can't just say "this is going nowhere" unless you didn't start the thread. You have to say "Boss man comin'! Godda go." But be sure to come back now, y'here. lol :D ;)

[BogusTrumper]

Well, you know, I'm as right-brained and overly emotional as anyone Phan.

I don't miss you by the way.

[bills_phan]

Boss man comin'! Godda go.

[BigDoug]

Oy, vey!

Look! In simply answering this question, it reveals a STRONG bias towards Flutie for anyone who even thinks about answering yes!

Warner, McNabb, or Gannon wouldn't have made much of a difference for this team. If that's the case, then to say that Flutie would have just continues to demonstrate the proven bias that is out there in his favor!

He has this stigma of being superman in spite of even doing well what QBs are supposed to be doing well! As long as people, like Riley and Butler continue to suck that stuff up, they're gonna hurt they're team. It's funny, as far as doing the things that QBs are supposed to do, namely make crisp passes, no INTs, lead the team downfield from other than starting in the opponents territory, not fumble, etc., he doesn't do them well at all. He's in the bottom portion of the league.

So why then would anyone think that he and he alone can resurrect a team like Buffalo when his offenses are PROVEN to not put a lot of points on the board. Just take a look at what's goin' on out in S.D. The ONLY explanation for those who voted anything other than "NO!" is a strong bias towards Flutie. We ALL know it exists. Otherwise Flutie wouldn't have this incredible PERSONAL cult following that shadows him and has caused 10s of thousands or perhaps even far more fans of his to come down from Canada to follow him. I mean S.D.? Come on! No one's a S.D. fan outside of S.D.

BIAS! ;)

There's no other explanation.

BTW, that 4th answer's a stitch since it even suggests the notion that he's any good when the sole weakness of S.D.'s game is their passing game.

Of course we all know it's not his fault. It's his WRs...

But in Buffalo and in all other NFL cities where the passing game sucks, it's the QB's fault. See, once those of us who don't have the special Flutie goggles on see that we'll understand it all too!

:rolleyes:

Looks like I'm moving to San Diego then.... right after I watch AVP lkead the Bills to a new start on the 16th. :D

[bduff54]

hey wys, do you not see how my answer makes sense? if we kept flutie johson would be gone. then flutie would fail this season with our pathetic team, then management would realize that a 39 year old QB is ridiculous for our oung team, the result would be a brand new QB next year, instead they arer still considering keeping johnson. understand my reasoning?

[jeffblue19]

bashing DF ALWAYS hits a nerve with Rude.

[bduff54]

i think we made the right choice originally, but everything that was deemed risky about johnson has come true, what a bummer.

I see what you're saying duff although I don't agree.

Yeah, he got injured again, but he's also taking 5 times the pounding that most other QBs are. If they were put into those situations then I suspect at least half of them would have gotten hurt and possibly even a lot sooner. I'm tellin' ya, my heart goes out to VP, b/c I think he's gonna get CLOCKED a couple of times. He doesn't have the moves that RJ has to duck and get outta there. And frankly, I really didn't see that quick release that I've heard so much about in any of his games this year. He may throw sooner, but that's not the same as a quick release.

Keep this in mind, for ALL the injuries that Rob's taken, until this one w/ the clavicle, he's NEVER sustained an injury that FORCED him to stay out of more than 1 or 2 games. That was used as an excuse in '98 but we all knew what was going on!

So yeah, I suppose the injury argument is somewhat valid as even I would agree, but then again, it's not like he was forced from the '98 and '99 and '00 seasons w/ injuries!

With Flutie on our team we'd be in EXACTLY the same shoes. He is not a good enough passer to win games and his typical 13-20 points would have won us just as few games as we've won. He would have destroyed "his" record of Ws and Ls. He'd have gone from 21-9 to 22-24! He should thank his lucky stars he wasn't the one that was kept around.

Do you see how it makes sense for us to keep RJ for a few more years? I mean unless we are working a trade for McNabb behind the scenes, I don't think any QB is gonna do well here unless we address our OL issues. And personally, if I were Rob, I would either wait until the draft to ensure we get some help or make my "restructuring and resigning" contingent upon us AT MINIMUM getting 1 FA OL-man and 2-3 in the draft w/ at least one of those a first rounder or second round steal. We really need 3-4 for depth. I think Hulsey will be fine for depth and I still have high hopes for the rookie Sullivan. Carman, gone! Heimy, gone! Farris, after IR, gone! Can't keep 'em, they're worthless in this league. I said that about Carman last year and have no idea what GW was thinkin', as I expressed at the time, when he kept Carman. Nice guy I'm sure, but can't play OL at the NFL level!

[bduff54]

totally agree on carman, he dosen't even have muscles he looks your average couch potatoe. as for the johnson situation i don't see why we don't draft a QB. look at the inexperienced QB's that have come in and done respectable jobs, mcnabb, brooks, manning, who's to say that we can't draft the next brett favre. i personally would like to see this time take a gamble. they play to safe, johnson was a safe decision and it hasn't worked out. ofcourse we will have to pick up some o-line help, i really would like to see our lottry pick used on a QB. CARR please.

[jeffblue19]

yea, they could get a Manning or Brady, but the odds are more likely that they'll get an Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, or worse...a Danny Wuerrfel. YOu can't put your money on a college kid. YOu have to have other options. Draft a QB...but keep RJ and AVP. Then, if RJ struggles and the kid isn't ready...put in AVP. If neither of them can get the job done, give the kid a shot to learn.

[Player6600]

Don't get on RJ, JeffBlue is in love with him.

[bduff54]

sure smith and leaf were busts, wuerffel was a third rounder nobody expected anything from him anyway. you can see who will be the good ones, both smith and leaf were punks in college. if you can find a QB with good character and all the intangibles i say draft him. like a drew brees type, we don't know if he will pan out or not but i would much rather have him in there right now instead of van pelt, we need to take a risk someday. we haven't drafted a real stud at QB since jimbo. todd collins wasn't a top player and neither is van pelt. as a fan i say get rid of johnson, keep van pelt to teach a young kid the new offense whatever that will be. gilbride for sure.

duff,

To draft a QB is fine, and frankly, I thought we should have taken McMahon late in last years. I would like to see us draft one. We have Brown however too and we have no idea how good he is.

But the problem is, and this addresses your concern of picking a QB w/ our first pick, that NO QB is going to fare well w/ this OL. It's an absolute necessity that we fix it. Sure, we can pick up 1 solid OL-man in FA or draft 1 high one and call it quits. But we really need both a solid T AND G. Then there's the issue of backups. If say Jennings and Brown go out next year due to injury, we are screwed again and our rookie QB, RJ, or whoever else is in there is faced w/ the exact same set of circumstances that has made us arguably the worst team in the league this year and perhaps even in a decade.

If the QB position were the primary source of our offensive woes, then I'd say fine, draft 2 QBs. But it isn't. The OL is! It's not only the source of our offensive woes, but our defensive woes since the O can't stay on the field for very long to give the D any rest.

We NEED 3 or 4 OL-men and we NEED to get rid of Carman, Heimy, and Farris when he heals up. We 2 IMMEDIATE replacements and then on top of that 2 others who can play should we have an injury or two for more than a week.

Then I think you'll see RJ or any other QB play MUCH better.

Also, I don't think that drafting a QB in the first round is worth the risk & money to chances of success ratio. Most of the QBs in this league were NOT 1st round picks. Warner sure wasn't. Griese wasn't. Favre wasn't. Brooks wasn't. Ie., I think it would be a wasted pick. I think we should focus on the OL up front FIRST, and then select a QB when it's safe, say in the 4th or 5th round.

I'm just looking at NFL.com now;

We currently are carrying 10 OL-men:

Fina
Brown
Conaty
Ostroski
Jennings

Sullivan
Heimburger
Unutoa
Hulsey
Carman

Now if we ditch Fina, Heimburger, and Carman, That knocks us down to 7 w/ Sullivan or Hulsey a starter and who knows what w/ this guy Unutoa. He's 30, which is a flag, and apparently an undrafted journeyman type that I highly doubt is gonna all of a sudden blossom into a solid starter on the Bills w/ their current situation. Who knows, maybe GW and TD plan on cutting him at the end of the season as he may have been brought in only as a source of depth for this year. Heck, I could have been our depth this year.

But that would leave us w/:

Jennings, Brown, Conaty, Ostroski, and Sullivan (or some other combination of those guys)

and Hulsey and Unutoa as our depth.

You confident in THAT? Not me!

I'd like to see 2 replacements on the front lines for Sullivan and either Conaty or Ostroski at RG and one of them at C.

THEN, we STILL need backups! 2 more AT LEAST if we are to be any good next year. And I'm not talkin' 13-3 here; I'm talkin' .500.

Maybe our predicament makes more sense when laid out like that...

;)

[bduff54]

hey wys, recieved the sauce last night. no wings until friday but i was dying to try it, guess what i put it on? think about the staple of an irish home;)

You mixed it w/ whiskey??? LOL

What did you call the drink?

:laugh:

[bduff54]

no man, i put it on mashed potatoes to try it out, anyways had some wings for the game it was great, i think i will be purchasing some more in the near future.