Who are the Charger board posters?

I KNOW there's a bunch of you here that post very frequently over at the Charger board! What? Torn between your Flutie fandom and your supposed fandom for the Bills?

Instead of trashing me behind my back, how about being men, that is of course you are women, which I realize there is a great chance of given the circunstances, and coming here and doing it to my face, proverbially speaking! I know who one of you is for sure and think I know another two.

Let's cut the crap! The ONLY reason I go there other than the first handful of posts I made is to react to the nonsense you throw up! So if you want a truce, try behavin' like adults and maybe I won't do what you did and put your posts up over there as you have mine.

Thanks in advance!

"Look at all the posts on these boards and see how many Pro Flutie threads you see, I bet very , very few."

Even just 4 weeks ago there were very, very many even though we pleaded and begged for them to stop!

Sorry there Doug, but a few people seem to want some justice and payback for months and months of torment and personal ridicule, and frankly I'm not sure you can deny them that. If you had been here then, perhaps you'd understand.

As for me, I start my allowed weekly thread and otherwise only try to comment on the situation fairly neutrally. Neutral not meaning w/o an opinion, just topics based on recent happenings and performance.

Besides, it's actually quite docile in here now regarding Flutie.

Lastly, this is the "NFL Smackdown" board. If you are averse to 'non-Bills' related topics I highly suggest you stay on the main board. People will talk about all other teams here.

And to bring up your concern to "support the Bills", that's exactly what we're doing here. We're countering those who for months and even yet now continue to insist that we'd be way better off w/ Flutie here than not!

Well, if anyone still believes that, well then there's a whole lot of people here ready and willing to sell them some prime real estate just south of the Keys! ;)

Yeah, it sure is! We had to listen to their incessant bantering and raving and raging for months. We begged and begged them to stop! But they didn't and now we have guys like Doug complaining about us!

Hey Doug,

How come you weren't here complaining about them there Doug!?

Also, it seems to me that the ONLY people who would take up your stance are those who support him! Otherwise why would anyone give a crap?

But you seem to be a glutton for it! Why?

And don't give us this "It's a Bills board nonsense!" THIS is the NFL board! NOT the Bills board!

Cordially!

Honestly there Doug, if you don't like it, then VERY simply don't open any threads about the man!!! They're ALL clearly marked! But quit the whinin', it's startin' to sound like a ladies tea in here w/ every other post cryin' over what really only amounts to a nominal amount of criticism about the man. Frankly, it's ALL justified!

The only reason anyone would seem to care would be if they were a Flutie Fanatic!

So it's VERY simple! If you don't like it, then don't look!

:winkani:

Please tell me how it hurts the team, and if not, then why you keep opening up Flutie threads when they're clearly marked and you say you don't want to hear about it?

I think it helps the team, and as you've seen now, many of the RJ critics are now no longer saying we'd be better w/ Flutie here. They're realizing, as many of them have now stated, duff for example, that they now realize that this team's OL is more to blame than originally thought. I think it's starting to bring some fans back into the fold! Of course the hardcores who worship at Flutie's alter really aren't Bills fans first. We have to accept the notion, and especially out of Ontario, that many fans came here specifically for Flutie and really hadn't tuned in much prior.

Your answer?

Then don't worry about me!! I enjoy the sport quite fine!

Like I said, if Flutie was all that upset about my comments then he shouldn't be in the limelight of a pro athlete.

I've stated my goals both openly and to several people personally via e-mail of which you were one.

You have a misperception about me... ;)

I don't attack anyone either Doug! Some of these guys will tell you I do, but in reality they are the ones who attack. I simply aim to set the record straight.

Question for you; Why do you so adamantly oppose many of the posters here rippin' on Flutie for his play out in S.D.? I mean I don't hear or see ya defending any other player that we bust on.

Also, still tryin' to figure out what my family and biz have to do w/ anything?

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"At the start of the season we had half for Flutie and half for RJ. This means a lot of fans still like Flutie to some degree. To keep bashing him to some extent is to bash them. If you are an RJ supporter it upsets you to see him get bashed, it goes both ways."

Outstanding points Doug!!

But perhaps you have the cart before the horse here! ;)

Perhaps I'm (and others) bashing FFs (as you see it) since THEY are the ones who cheered RJ lying on the field w/ injury! Because they completely and biasedly have ruled RJ out no matter how well he plays and it is their goal to see to it that he gets absolutely no chance here so as to make it clear that perhaps "their Doug" was not the best for us and worse, nearly as good as they think he was! Perhaps THEY are the ones that drew first blood by bashing EVERYONE else who didn't view life their way by supporting Flutie as they wanted!

I have said probably a hundred times right here on these boards, I wanted Rob to stay. However, had Flutie stayed, he would have gotten my 110% support as a Bills fan. YET, we didn't get even 10% support from those who supported Flutie, did we? NO! That's the honest answer here!

So as I, and everyone else who isn't blindly and emotionally devoted to Flutie, such that they would sit in a "BILLS BAR" w/ their Bills jersey on, and ACTUALLY cheer for S.D. in a game in which we played, is reprehensible and the SOURCE of those things that you accuse me of or suggest that I take a look at within myself!

The issues are not w/ me or any other Bills fans, they are w/ those who have made Flutie bigger than the Bills, bigger than the NFL, and bigger than football in general. The same exact thing is happening out in S.D. I truly think that this year, S.D. has more Canadian fans out there, from Ontario mind you, not B.C. or Sesk. or another western province, but from almost the eastern most province!

So, you see, you have it backwards. I know it's difficult to come in here months after all the poop hit the fan, and while we, the real fans of Buffalo, were BEGGING these "Flutie First" types to back off and lay low, yet they were about as boorish, unhospitable, adversarial, and generally incongenial as one could possibly imagine. They openly made associations, not only w/ those who favored the team keeping RJ, but also w/ those not opposing it, to being "not fans", "losers", "biased" (talk about biased, eh), and then have been vehemously labeling Rob ever since so that it has made it almost impossible to have the media portrait Johnson in ANY kind of positive light at all.

To understand that, you must first understand the media. Their job is very broad. They do not have time, generally speaking, to sit down and watch games in tremendous detail or to look at stats for hours over the weeks. Nor do they. Their job is to right pieces that attract readership or viewership or listenership, right! So they don't necessarily look at things all that objectively, rather they take and run w/ what the fans and other media are "saying", not necessarily what the truth is! Since it's the "Flutie story" that has been so huge, so to speak, and since "his" fans are the squeakiest wheel, they get the grease, or the press in this case. Now, once media opinions are set, and a pattern is shaped, it rarely changes unless it becomes GLARINGLY obvious that something HAS changed. The media doesn't want to admit that they were wrong anymore than your or I do, and even less so since they destroy their credibility if they do. Which is why this "Flutie saga" won't end in "He was never that good to begin with", rather it will end in "AGE!, and he just doesn't have the magic or tools to work w/ at S.D.", which for anyone watching football knows to be ridiculous since they have the #1 STs in the league, the #6 or 7, (haven't checked the stats from last night's game yet) RB in the league, solid WRs, one of the league's best TEs, and a D formerly ranked in the top 10 and still ranked in the top half of the league.

So you see, that the perception in the media, about BOTH of them, and one corresponding as the result of another, and one being necessary to make the other one viable, has stuck under the age old adage that "if you throw enough mud against the wall, sooner or later some of it's bound to stick", or that "if you tell a lie often enough, sooner or later it becomes the truth!" Which is EXACTLY what we have here. Rob is the "necessary" victim, since HE is the one in comparison and contrast to Doug over that past few years. So the worse THEY, the FFs, can make Rob look, especially after actually playing VERY WELL and even EXCELLENT in many games, the better smelling Doug emerges from the scenario!

That's also the reason why Donahoe stated on TV that "Flutie wins games" and is the logical choice over Rob! Does anyone really think that he sat down and took a look at which QB played which teams, how each played in spite of whether or not they won or lost, and perhaps gave the D credit in a 13-10 win instead of a QB. Does anyone think they perused the stats to see if in fact is WAS a solid game by the QB, or if he was merely along for the ride! NO! Those guys don't have that kind of time. But that's why Donahoe had to say we think Rob's the better QB. Because when the DID sit down and look at and evaluate the play of each, THAT'S what they came up with. The SAME stuff that anyone who knows anything about football does. They didn't just say, "ahhh, Flutie beat one of the worst teams in the league in the last week of the season in game that was meaningless for anyone but Flutie and one in which the other team looked as if the last place they even wanted to be was on the field, and say hey!, he won! Whereas Rob put up some decent games against VERY strong opponents w/ little support from the D and yet lost! We'll take Flutie!" THAT'S why you have this peception difference between the Bills coaching staff and the media. Also, woe to anyone who crosses that finely established line in the media and tries to denigrate Doug for anything at all or even suggest that perhaps he may be largely respoinsible for his team not doing well. It's a classic case of "The Emperor Has No Clothes!"

Out in S.D., since Leaf sucked so bad, there is not "Scape Goat" for them to compare Doug to, and therefore he is left being compared to other NFL QBs generally speaking. And THAT comparison is made on exactly the things that it was NOT made on while he was at Buffalo, and some of the same things that many of us were saying, "hey, wait a minute; how about comparing Doug's actual performance instead of whether or not the team wins w/ 13 points on the board and HIM taking ALL the credit when Rob lost last week w/ 20 on the boards!" NOW, out in S.D., THAT is the conundrum that the FFs are up against. There's no pariah for them to bash to say, look, compared to Hitler Flutie's a nice guy! A little tongue in cheek humor there.

Now, the most important thing that you must keep in mind is this, and it's VERY simple; This blind devotion and love for Flutie, in Buffalo, has transcended into an equally opposite hatred for Rob Johnson on the part of those same people!!! Why! Because they view Rob as the reason for why Doug isn't here. It could easily have been QB "X". So their hatred for Rob is rooted in the exact same lack of objectivity and "normal" ways of thinking about NFL QBs.

What's funny and very interesting, is that in case you haven't noticed, the standard for evaluating Flutie has changed as Flutie does different things. I'll demonstrate. While he was in Buffalo, what did you hear about! You, we, only heard about "Wins" and "Lack of Sacks", right! THOSE were the keys and reasons as to why he was a good QB. When those who thought the decision to keep Johnson interjected by saying that it isn't the same to compare a performance against a 5-11 team at home, such as N.E. or Chicago last year, and one in which Flutie led our team to 13 offensive points, to one in which RJ played his brains out vs. the #3 D in the league in T.B., on the road, put up 17 points thru 3 Qs, then gets knocked out of the game, in which Flutie comes in when it's perfectly winable and goes 4 for 10 for 57 w/ no production", they are ridiculed and "spat upon" for not acknowledging "Flutie's greatness" in "his" winning games. What many of us were saying was how about comparing both QBs to their performances in games in which they both took a significant number of snaps and played with the same exact team, against the same exact team, on the same day, w/ the same weather, in the same place, etc., and THEN compare them. Well, there are very few games like that but that T.B. game was one of them, and both Miami games last year was one of them. I believe the Indy game was too. But take a look at those 4 games for both. Not the purpose of this piece.

Now that Flutie is out in S.D., all of a sudden, "wins" and "lack of sacks" are no longer important! What we're supposed to look at is ALL the things that were aptly dismissed by those who supported Flutie in Buffalo regarding Johnson's play. We're supposed to look at rating, at least early on when it was good for Flutie, now it doesn't matter again, also, "what he has to work with", "the competition", and we are to IGNORE the FACT that S.D. has the #1 STs in the league setting up their O at their own league leading 35 yard line and which lead the NFL in STs scoring, we're supposed to ignore that their running game boasts the 6th or 7th leading rusher in the league, we're supposed to ignore the FACT that their D is in the top half of the league and has done it's job in many games, we're supposed to ignore the FACT that Flutie did absolutley nothing in vs. K.C. at home in S.D. for an entire half while Brees came in a lit up the exact same K.C. D for 20 in the second, we're supposed to ignore the fact that S.D. is 27th (possibly worse after this past Sunday) in the league in red zone TD production, we're supposed to ignore that fact that Flutie can't seem to lead his team to a TD unless the drive starts at midfield or in the opponent's territory, we're supposed to ignore the fact that he personally has 14 TOs and only 11 TDs thru 12 games, we're supposed to ignore the fact that the team's lost 5 straight and has only won 2 of their last 9 largely because of Flutie's ineffectual passing game! We're supposed to ignore ALL those things to make Flutie look good and not tarnish his "image" as a winner in this league! We're supposed to look and see that "he" played well in spite of the loss when that was categorically dismissed when it was true of Johnson in Buffalo!

Is that fair!?

Because if it is, then there are two or three standards in this league! One that the average NFL QB is rated against, one that Flutie is rated on, and an even worse one reserved for those QBs who happen to be on Flutie's team and against which they must be compared in order to make Flutie look good!

Anyway, I think that sums it up pretty well! But please go back and reread the first few paragraphs so that you don't lose the context of your original questions or at least the vein in which your comments were written. It will show you the proper and more appropriate vantage point of this entire thing.

The proof for what am saying is either obvious, or as in the case w/ the first stuff, evident by the loyalty that many purported "Bills fans" have for a "has-been" QB who plays all the way across the country, who has an eerie cult-following as a result of his "underdogness" for lack of a better word. These "Bills fans" are loyal first to Flutie, who has absolutely nothing to do w/ the Bills anymore, then to the Bills, other Bills' QBs, and last of all to Rob Johnson, whom they view as the "anti-Flutie." Since this Flutieism is more of a religious thing than it is a sports thing, that's very appropriate.

Anyway, hope that sheds some light on it for ya! :)

I think Wys said it best at the beginning of his long-winded diatribe.

"I would like to put both these QB's behind us and get together behind the team"

Wys, has finally said it, RJ sucks, let's get rid of him.

The rest of us just want to know what took him so long. We saw the need for this a long time ago.

Wys can point out 3 maybe 4 games where RJ has played with some semblance of a starting NFL QB, but it's been apparent since shortly after he arrived in Buffalo that he was not nor never would be a success at this level.

What I still want to know, and I'm sure Wys can shed some light here, is who are the top prospects that Buffalo has to look forward to next year to gain tutelage under AVP.

OK! I'll bite!

:dork:

BTW there Stills, if you are gonna quote me, ie. put quotes around something and attribute it to me, you had better make sure I said it.

I'll cut you the slack this time figurin' you were just screwin' around! Next time I'm gonna delete it w/o warning or notice. If you do it twice it'll fall into the violations of the ToS here.

;)